The AMT Marijuana Thread

CM189191

HughFreakingDillon said:

CM189191 said:

PJ_Soul said:

CM189191 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

bought some indica. I told the dude about my anxiety and how I don't like being paranoid. He told me he has the same issue, no worries, indica is relaxing ("in da couch"). smoked a bit and was more paranoid right outta the gate than I recall being in a LONG time. 

ug, i hate to hear these stories

Not sure what the laws are in your neck of the woods.  But pot shops should not be 'prescribing' or offering medical opinion.  

I

There are no laws against giving opinions, especially not when asked for them. The guy never claimed to be a doctor.

Weed affects different people differently - it really is just a matter of trial and error until you find what works for you (or to find that weed isn't for you at all). Luckily weed is at least cheap, so this method isn't a massive financial burden, and it's not dangerous either. It's not like bad advice about which strain to try is going to kill anyone.

that's the issue....you can't claim "well, I'm not a doctor"...and then proceed to give what amounts to a medical opinion.  Or a specific recommendation for a specific medical issue.

I obviously wasn't there and don't have the context.  I'm just saying it's a fine line to walk.  Dispensaries are not pharmacies, they don't have the expertise to be giving advice and need to be really careful.

it wasn't a medical opinion. it was his personal experience he was relaying to me, along with his knowledge of what indica USUALLY does to people. nothing more. it was no different than me talking to a buddy. 

Cool, so some pregnant lady walks into a dispensary and asks for something to help with her nausea.  The dispensary offers some friendly advice on which strains are best.  Is that acceptable?

HughFreakingDillon

CM189191 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

CM189191 said:

PJ_Soul said:

CM189191 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

bought some indica. I told the dude about my anxiety and how I don't like being paranoid. He told me he has the same issue, no worries, indica is relaxing ("in da couch"). smoked a bit and was more paranoid right outta the gate than I recall being in a LONG time. 

ug, i hate to hear these stories

Not sure what the laws are in your neck of the woods.  But pot shops should not be 'prescribing' or offering medical opinion.  

I

There are no laws against giving opinions, especially not when asked for them. The guy never claimed to be a doctor.

Weed affects different people differently - it really is just a matter of trial and error until you find what works for you (or to find that weed isn't for you at all). Luckily weed is at least cheap, so this method isn't a massive financial burden, and it's not dangerous either. It's not like bad advice about which strain to try is going to kill anyone.

that's the issue....you can't claim "well, I'm not a doctor"...and then proceed to give what amounts to a medical opinion.  Or a specific recommendation for a specific medical issue.

I obviously wasn't there and don't have the context.  I'm just saying it's a fine line to walk.  Dispensaries are not pharmacies, they don't have the expertise to be giving advice and need to be really careful.

it wasn't a medical opinion. it was his personal experience he was relaying to me, along with his knowledge of what indica USUALLY does to people. nothing more. it was no different than me talking to a buddy. 

Cool, so some pregnant lady walks into a dispensary and asks for something to help with her nausea.  The dispensary offers some friendly advice on which strains are best.  Is that acceptable?

you're really reaching here.

I didn't go there asking for help with an anxiety, or any other, condition. All I said was 'I prefer products that relax you, as opposed to ones that give you energy". There is actual research on which ones generally do one or the other. They have signs on each strain which activities go with which. he was just relaying that same info. Not sure what your issue is here. 

rgambs

I can't speak for CM, but I can understand where she is coming from a little bit based on the fact that I am pretty annoyed with the psuedo-science and "natural" crowds rising in proportion to the strides made in legal and medical cannabis use.
There are people out there claiming cannabis cures all cancer, and the bullshit claims cascade down into every possible use or hopeful use.

HughFreakingDillon

rgambs said:

I can't speak for CM, but I can understand where she is coming from a little bit based on the fact that I am pretty annoyed with the psuedo-science and "natural" crowds rising in proportion to the strides made in legal and medical cannabis use.
There are people out there claiming cannabis cures all cancer, and the bullshit claims cascade down into every possible use or hopeful use.

yes, there are, but that's the furthest thing from my experience at that shop that I had. this guy was not claiming to have any medical info whatsoever. basically reading the card issued with the strain. 

lastexitlondon

It sure is lively here for a bunch of stoners

Meltdown99

rgambs said:

I can't speak for CM, but I can understand where she is coming from a little bit based on the fact that I am pretty annoyed with the psuedo-science and "natural" crowds rising in proportion to the strides made in legal and medical cannabis use.
There are people out there claiming cannabis cures all cancer, and the bullshit claims cascade down into every possible use or hopeful use.

and you do not have a problem with the pharmaceutical industry in which their products kill people daily.  If someone chooses to treat cancer with Cannabis and they die, then that was their choice.  I know of several people who used cannabis while undergoing cancer treatments, they used it as a supplement.  

oftenreading

Meltdown99 said:

rgambs said:

I can't speak for CM, but I can understand where she is coming from a little bit based on the fact that I am pretty annoyed with the psuedo-science and "natural" crowds rising in proportion to the strides made in legal and medical cannabis use.
There are people out there claiming cannabis cures all cancer, and the bullshit claims cascade down into every possible use or hopeful use.

and you do not have a problem with the pharmaceutical industry in which their products kill people daily.  If someone chooses to treat cancer with Cannabis and they die, then that was their choice.  I know of several people who used cannabis while undergoing cancer treatments, they used it as a supplement.  

Where does rgambs say that he doesn’t have a problem with rhe pharmaceutical industry? 

Meltdown99

CM189191 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

CM189191 said:

PJ_Soul said:

CM189191 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

bought some indica. I told the dude about my anxiety and how I don't like being paranoid. He told me he has the same issue, no worries, indica is relaxing ("in da couch"). smoked a bit and was more paranoid right outta the gate than I recall being in a LONG time. 

ug, i hate to hear these stories

Not sure what the laws are in your neck of the woods.  But pot shops should not be 'prescribing' or offering medical opinion.  

I

There are no laws against giving opinions, especially not when asked for them. The guy never claimed to be a doctor.

Weed affects different people differently - it really is just a matter of trial and error until you find what works for you (or to find that weed isn't for you at all). Luckily weed is at least cheap, so this method isn't a massive financial burden, and it's not dangerous either. It's not like bad advice about which strain to try is going to kill anyone.

that's the issue....you can't claim "well, I'm not a doctor"...and then proceed to give what amounts to a medical opinion.  Or a specific recommendation for a specific medical issue.

I obviously wasn't there and don't have the context.  I'm just saying it's a fine line to walk.  Dispensaries are not pharmacies, they don't have the expertise to be giving advice and need to be really careful.

it wasn't a medical opinion. it was his personal experience he was relaying to me, along with his knowledge of what indica USUALLY does to people. nothing more. it was no different than me talking to a buddy. 

Cool, so some pregnant lady walks into a dispensary and asks for something to help with her nausea.  The dispensary offers some friendly advice on which strains are best.  Is that acceptable?

Is this pregnant lady an adult?  If so, then that is her choice.  You do know that so far researchers have not been able to find a link between Cannabis smoke and Tobacco?  You do know that the tobacco companies intentionally poison their customers.  Yet it's fucking legal, what about alcohol...that's poison as well.

Meltdown99

lastexitlondon said:

It sure is lively here for a bunch of stoners

Cannabis debates usually get lively.  

Meltdown99

Medical marijuana goes on sale in Ohio, as some hope it may ease state's opioid epidemic
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/medical-marijuana-goes-sale-ohio-some-hope-it-may-ease-n959551

rgambs

Meltdown99 said:

rgambs said:

I can't speak for CM, but I can understand where she is coming from a little bit based on the fact that I am pretty annoyed with the psuedo-science and "natural" crowds rising in proportion to the strides made in legal and medical cannabis use.
There are people out there claiming cannabis cures all cancer, and the bullshit claims cascade down into every possible use or hopeful use.

and you do not have a problem with the pharmaceutical industry in which their products kill people daily.  If someone chooses to treat cancer with Cannabis and they die, then that was their choice.  I know of several people who used cannabis while undergoing cancer treatments, they used it as a supplement.  

I have plenty of problems with the pharmaceutical industry, no doubt.
I have ZERO problems with people treating themselves with (or just enjoying) cannabis, but I sure as shit am not thrilled about every Devlin, Nevaeh, and Tyler out there like Jenny McCarthy making ridiculous claims.
It was a minor annoyance when cannabis was on the fringe, but as it enters the mainstream, it's time for yoga the naturopathic, essential oil crowd to give way to scientists, technology, and legitimacy.

rgambs

Meltdown99 said:

Medical marijuana goes on sale in Ohio, as some hope it may ease state's opioid epidemic
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/medical-marijuana-goes-sale-ohio-some-hope-it-may-ease-n959551

Not likely to help at all, supply will only be a single digit percentage of demand, and I believe the initial rate per ounce right now is somewhere over 450$

oftenreading

Meltdown99 said:

CM189191 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

CM189191 said:

PJ_Soul said:

CM189191 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

bought some indica. I told the dude about my anxiety and how I don't like being paranoid. He told me he has the same issue, no worries, indica is relaxing ("in da couch"). smoked a bit and was more paranoid right outta the gate than I recall being in a LONG time. 

ug, i hate to hear these stories

Not sure what the laws are in your neck of the woods.  But pot shops should not be 'prescribing' or offering medical opinion.  

I

There are no laws against giving opinions, especially not when asked for them. The guy never claimed to be a doctor.

Weed affects different people differently - it really is just a matter of trial and error until you find what works for you (or to find that weed isn't for you at all). Luckily weed is at least cheap, so this method isn't a massive financial burden, and it's not dangerous either. It's not like bad advice about which strain to try is going to kill anyone.

that's the issue....you can't claim "well, I'm not a doctor"...and then proceed to give what amounts to a medical opinion.  Or a specific recommendation for a specific medical issue.

I obviously wasn't there and don't have the context.  I'm just saying it's a fine line to walk.  Dispensaries are not pharmacies, they don't have the expertise to be giving advice and need to be really careful.

it wasn't a medical opinion. it was his personal experience he was relaying to me, along with his knowledge of what indica USUALLY does to people. nothing more. it was no different than me talking to a buddy. 

Cool, so some pregnant lady walks into a dispensary and asks for something to help with her nausea.  The dispensary offers some friendly advice on which strains are best.  Is that acceptable?

Is this pregnant lady an adult?  If so, then that is her choice.  You do know that so far researchers have not been able to find a link between Cannabis smoke and Tobacco?  You do know that the tobacco companies intentionally poison their customers.  Yet it's fucking legal, what about alcohol...that's poison as well.

What do you mean by “establish a link between cannabis smoke and tobacco”??

Meltdown99

Drug maker pushed OxyContin despite danger signs, prosecutor says

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/drug-maker-pushed-oxycontin-despite-danger-signs-prosecutor-says-n959266

People tell me these drugs spend years in the lab, being tested, they are safe...

Well, they are not safe.  

I'll stick to cannabis for non-life treatments.  I wouldn't trust the FDA's approval process ever.

rgambs

Meltdown99 said:

Drug maker pushed OxyContin despite danger signs, prosecutor says

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/drug-maker-pushed-oxycontin-despite-danger-signs-prosecutor-says-n959266

People tell me these drugs spend years in the lab, being tested, they are safe...

Well, they are not safe.  

I'll stick to cannabis for non-life treatments.  I wouldn't trust the FDA's approval process ever.

Wow, you mean opioids are dangerous??  Wow, it's too bad doctors aren't educated about that...oh wait, they are.  
OxyContin is safe, if used properly, thanks to the FDA you don't seem to understand.

The fault with the opioid crisis lies equally with the people who make the meds then ship them out in numbers that are obviously suspicious, and the doctors at "pain clinics" who blast them into communities without consequence.
Opioids have an important place in medical care, and we shouldn't be surprised that their makers want to sell more and make more money.  We need to focus on accountability.

Meltdown99

FDA clears the way to increase access and lower cost of life-saving opioid overdose treatment drug
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/16/fda-wants-pharma-to-bring-opioid-antidote-naloxone-over-the-counter.html

Meltdown99

Police in Ontario are writing about 21 cannabis tickets a day

 https://globalnews.ca/news/4870227/police-ontario-cannabis-tickets/?utm_medium=Facebook&utm_source=GlobalToronto&fbclid=IwAR2vptj0QgT6NDxvUjEuAndeCGguqIMc4RrLL_u8Rjh3C4ujwlR4hNs23cw

Meltdown99

The Prince of pot has himself in more trouble...disturbing individual if true.


Marc Emery Gave LSD, Ecstasy To Underage Girls: Ex-Employees

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2019/01/21/marc-emery-lsd-ecstasy-drugs-underage-girls-alleged_a_23648923/?ncid=fcbklnkcahpmg00000001&fbclid=IwAR2QzRp9KPE7enNjU7lou24mU_e64HFq2TB53qGCZqEdiWoyjV8wVTEQMkc

tempo_n_groove

Any plans on investing in Medical Marijuana in NY?!?

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

The Prince of pot has himself in more trouble...disturbing individual if true.


Marc Emery Gave LSD, Ecstasy To Underage Girls: Ex-Employees

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2019/01/21/marc-emery-lsd-ecstasy-drugs-underage-girls-alleged_a_23648923/?ncid=fcbklnkcahpmg00000001&fbclid=IwAR2QzRp9KPE7enNjU7lou24mU_e64HFq2TB53qGCZqEdiWoyjV8wVTEQMkc

I guess.... I dunno, as someone who started dropping acid when she was 13 years old, and would have felt completely comfortable taking some drugs from an adult when I was a teenager, and indeed did exactly that many times, I have trouble feeling anything about this story. I know I'm supposed to really disapprove, but that's hard to do, considering. I do of course know it's illegal. I just also know what reality is for a lot of people when it comes to this kind of thing, and having lived it myself, I can't think of it as fucked up as many people obviously do. It just wasn't at all "disturbing" at the time (and no, I'm not going to be giving any drugs to minors, lol).