The AMT Marijuana Thread

Meltdown99

Meltdown99

The mature stoner: why are so many seniors smoking weed?
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jan/14/the-mature-stoner-why-are-so-many-seniors-smoking-weed?CMP=fb_gu&fbclid=IwAR279EQ4l6q_FxANpaHExpqdCuTGt0LzFEjI7jhhpfSUxJ4PqSvzt8NTpZo

Seniors’ affinity for weed is beginning to ripple across the US healthcare system. A 2016 study found that in states with access to medical marijuana, those using Medicare part D – a benefit primarily for seniors – received fewer prescriptions for other drugs to treat depression, anxiety, pain, and other chronic issues.

in the Journal of the American Medical Association found opioid prescriptions for Medicare part D recipients dropped 14% after a state legalized medical marijuana – a hopeful sign amid the opioids crisis.

While some doctors have expressed concerns about seniors self-medicating with weed, virtually everyone agrees the public health consequences of opioids are far worse. And the most serious health concerns associated with marijuana, such as impaired brain development, tend to affect younger people.

Meltdown99

HughFreakingDillon

bought some indica. I told the dude about my anxiety and how I don't like being paranoid. He told me he has the same issue, no worries, indica is relaxing ("in da couch"). smoked a bit and was more paranoid right outta the gate than I recall being in a LONG time. 

oftenreading

Large trial planned in BC to examine efficacy of cannabis oil in patients with cancer. 

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/b-c-cancer-to-lead-first-national-cannabis-clinical-trial-for-symptom-relief

jeffbr

oftenreading said:

Large trial planned in BC to examine efficacy of cannabis oil in patients with cancer. 

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/b-c-cancer-to-lead-first-national-cannabis-clinical-trial-for-symptom-relief

Very excited to start seeing some actual clinical trials. I "believe" in its efficacy in treating some things because I've experienced it and probably want to believe it. But there are so many "snake oil" claims made in the industry that it sometimes makes me roll my eyes. So having actual, scientific, clinical trials with peer reviewed studies published will really help shed light on actual uses, debunk myths and confirm successes. 

oftenreading

jeffbr said:

oftenreading said:

Large trial planned in BC to examine efficacy of cannabis oil in patients with cancer. 

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/b-c-cancer-to-lead-first-national-cannabis-clinical-trial-for-symptom-relief

Very excited to start seeing some actual clinical trials. I "believe" in its efficacy in treating some things because I've experienced it and probably want to believe it. But there are so many "snake oil" claims made in the industry that it sometimes makes me roll my eyes. So having actual, scientific, clinical trials with peer reviewed studies published will really help shed light on actual uses, debunk myths and confirm successes. 

Yes, exactly. If you read some sites it’s like cannabis is a cure all for everything from measles to the plague. That’s always a red flag because nothing works like that. 

There is some scientific data, which overall is not as strong as some wish it to be. We need larger, more robust studies, but I think everyone should be prepared that we are likely to get evidence that it isn’t effective in some areas that people hope for. 

CM189191

HughFreakingDillon said:

bought some indica. I told the dude about my anxiety and how I don't like being paranoid. He told me he has the same issue, no worries, indica is relaxing ("in da couch"). smoked a bit and was more paranoid right outta the gate than I recall being in a LONG time. 

ug, i hate to hear these stories

Not sure what the laws are in your neck of the woods.  But pot shops should not be 'prescribing' or offering medical opinion.  

HughFreakingDillon

CM189191 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

bought some indica. I told the dude about my anxiety and how I don't like being paranoid. He told me he has the same issue, no worries, indica is relaxing ("in da couch"). smoked a bit and was more paranoid right outta the gate than I recall being in a LONG time. 

ug, i hate to hear these stories

Not sure what the laws are in your neck of the woods.  But pot shops should not be 'prescribing' or offering medical opinion.  

he didn't. I know full well how different strains can affect different people in different ways. He was relaying his experience, I knew to take it with a grain of salt that it might not be the same for me. I've been smoking for nearly 30 years, and I'm new to the "strain game". he also told me what I already knew: different variables cause different reactions. I don't fault him for that at all. 

Meltdown99

Cannabis effects people in different ways.  Just like anti-depressants, you might have to try several different kinds before you find one that is effective for you, same with Cannabis.  But that is why research is important, and we will start to see more studies.  There is an awful lot of people out there that have found Cannabis useful for whatever condition it helps them with, including myself.  But I would never try to treat cancer with it alone obviously.

HughFreakingDillon

I'll try it again. who knows, could have been something as simple as my mind set going in. 

rgambs

Marijuana just isn't an anxiolytic drug.  It calms some people, but even then, it produces symptoms that are common anxiety triggers...racing heartbeat, throat and chest disruption, scattered thoughts, etc

HughFreakingDillon

rgambs said:

Marijuana just isn't an anxiolytic drug.  It calms some people, but even then, it produces symptoms that are common anxiety triggers...racing heartbeat, throat and chest disruption, scattered thoughts, etc

I know. I generally don't have issues, and my anxiety is really bad. This time was an outlier. 

I shouldn't even really have mentioned my anxiety. it just made me paranoid while I was high, not anxious. if it had made my anxiety bad, I wouldn't have been able to talk myself down by just saying "it's just the weed making you paranoid and seeing things out of the corner of your eye...calm the fuck down". 

alcohol (the day after) is WAY worse for my anxiety than weed. 

CM189191

HughFreakingDillon said:

CM189191 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

bought some indica. I told the dude about my anxiety and how I don't like being paranoid. He told me he has the same issue, no worries, indica is relaxing ("in da couch"). smoked a bit and was more paranoid right outta the gate than I recall being in a LONG time. 

ug, i hate to hear these stories

Not sure what the laws are in your neck of the woods.  But pot shops should not be 'prescribing' or offering medical opinion.  

he didn't. I know full well how different strains can affect different people in different ways. He was relaying his experience, I knew to take it with a grain of salt that it might not be the same for me. I've been smoking for nearly 30 years, and I'm new to the "strain game". he also told me what I already knew: different variables cause different reactions. I don't fault him for that at all. 

Fair enough. It's a fine line to walk.

I've heard of issues.  Eventually some dispensary is going to get itself in real trouble giving bad advice.

Meltdown99

What's the harm if someone tells Hugh, "this works for my anxiety, maybe it'll help".  He is not going to die from it, sounds like the worst that happens is Hugh gets paranoid and high.  By the way, I know a fellow who quit smoking Cannabis because it made him paranoid, no matter what strain he tried.  I do not get paranoid when toking...or if I do, it doesn't bother me.

I understand the giving bad advice when dealing with medical problems, but people who own these health type stores that sell supplements have been giving out advice for years...

At the end of the day, Cannabis should be considered a supplement.  But in no way would I ever think I could treat a severe medical issue with it alone.

PJ_Soul

CM189191 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

bought some indica. I told the dude about my anxiety and how I don't like being paranoid. He told me he has the same issue, no worries, indica is relaxing ("in da couch"). smoked a bit and was more paranoid right outta the gate than I recall being in a LONG time. 

ug, i hate to hear these stories

Not sure what the laws are in your neck of the woods.  But pot shops should not be 'prescribing' or offering medical opinion.  

I

There are no laws against giving opinions, especially not when asked for them. The guy never claimed to be a doctor.

Weed affects different people differently - it really is just a matter of trial and error until you find what works for you (or to find that weed isn't for you at all). Luckily weed is at least cheap, so this method isn't a massive financial burden, and it's not dangerous either. It's not like bad advice about which strain to try is going to kill anyone.

Meltdown99

PJ_Soul said:

CM189191 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

bought some indica. I told the dude about my anxiety and how I don't like being paranoid. He told me he has the same issue, no worries, indica is relaxing ("in da couch"). smoked a bit and was more paranoid right outta the gate than I recall being in a LONG time. 

ug, i hate to hear these stories

Not sure what the laws are in your neck of the woods.  But pot shops should not be 'prescribing' or offering medical opinion.  

I

There are no laws against giving opinions, especially not when asked for them. The guy never claimed to be a doctor.

Weed affects different people differently - it really is just a matter of trial and error until you find what works for you (or to find that weed isn't for you at all). Luckily weed is at least cheap, so this method isn't a massive financial burden, and it's not dangerous either. It's not like bad advice about which strain to try is going to kill anyone.

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CM189191

PJ_Soul said:

CM189191 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

bought some indica. I told the dude about my anxiety and how I don't like being paranoid. He told me he has the same issue, no worries, indica is relaxing ("in da couch"). smoked a bit and was more paranoid right outta the gate than I recall being in a LONG time. 

ug, i hate to hear these stories

Not sure what the laws are in your neck of the woods.  But pot shops should not be 'prescribing' or offering medical opinion.  

I

There are no laws against giving opinions, especially not when asked for them. The guy never claimed to be a doctor.

Weed affects different people differently - it really is just a matter of trial and error until you find what works for you (or to find that weed isn't for you at all). Luckily weed is at least cheap, so this method isn't a massive financial burden, and it's not dangerous either. It's not like bad advice about which strain to try is going to kill anyone.

that's the issue....you can't claim "well, I'm not a doctor"...and then proceed to give what amounts to a medical opinion.  Or a specific recommendation for a specific medical issue.

I obviously wasn't there and don't have the context.  I'm just saying it's a fine line to walk.  Dispensaries are not pharmacies, they don't have the expertise to be giving advice and need to be really careful.

Meltdown99

CM189191 said:

PJ_Soul said:

CM189191 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

bought some indica. I told the dude about my anxiety and how I don't like being paranoid. He told me he has the same issue, no worries, indica is relaxing ("in da couch"). smoked a bit and was more paranoid right outta the gate than I recall being in a LONG time. 

ug, i hate to hear these stories

Not sure what the laws are in your neck of the woods.  But pot shops should not be 'prescribing' or offering medical opinion.  

I

There are no laws against giving opinions, especially not when asked for them. The guy never claimed to be a doctor.

Weed affects different people differently - it really is just a matter of trial and error until you find what works for you (or to find that weed isn't for you at all). Luckily weed is at least cheap, so this method isn't a massive financial burden, and it's not dangerous either. It's not like bad advice about which strain to try is going to kill anyone.

that's the issue....you can't claim "well, I'm not a doctor"...and then proceed to give what amounts to a medical opinion.  Or a specific recommendation for a specific medical issue.

I obviously wasn't there and don't have the context.  I'm just saying it's a fine line to walk.  Dispensaries are not pharmacies, they don't have the expertise to be giving advice and need to be really careful.

Why?  Weed will not kill you.  1000's of those pills in those pharmacies can kill you if not used properly.  And an awful lot of people freely give advice about the pharmaceuticals they are on.  Not to mention the deceptive bullshit ads pharmaceuticals run on TV that usually ends with some dude talking super fast so they get in all the side effects that those drugs can cause.

HughFreakingDillon

CM189191 said:

PJ_Soul said:

CM189191 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

bought some indica. I told the dude about my anxiety and how I don't like being paranoid. He told me he has the same issue, no worries, indica is relaxing ("in da couch"). smoked a bit and was more paranoid right outta the gate than I recall being in a LONG time. 

ug, i hate to hear these stories

Not sure what the laws are in your neck of the woods.  But pot shops should not be 'prescribing' or offering medical opinion.  

I

There are no laws against giving opinions, especially not when asked for them. The guy never claimed to be a doctor.

Weed affects different people differently - it really is just a matter of trial and error until you find what works for you (or to find that weed isn't for you at all). Luckily weed is at least cheap, so this method isn't a massive financial burden, and it's not dangerous either. It's not like bad advice about which strain to try is going to kill anyone.

that's the issue....you can't claim "well, I'm not a doctor"...and then proceed to give what amounts to a medical opinion.  Or a specific recommendation for a specific medical issue.

I obviously wasn't there and don't have the context.  I'm just saying it's a fine line to walk.  Dispensaries are not pharmacies, they don't have the expertise to be giving advice and need to be really careful.

it wasn't a medical opinion. it was his personal experience he was relaying to me, along with his knowledge of what indica USUALLY does to people. nothing more. it was no different than me talking to a buddy.