The AMT Marijuana Thread

jeffbr

Happy 4/20 everyone. Since the old thread was closed at the request of the OP of that thread, and since we didn't have a current MJ thread going, today seemed like an appropriate day to start a new one!

For your reading pleasure today, HuffPost has compiled The Exhaustive List Of Everyone Who’s Died Of A Marijuana Overdose.

Kat

420 Meaning: The True Story Of How April 20 Became ‘Weed Day’

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/20/420-meaning-the-true-stor_n_543854.html?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

rgambs

A beautiful day here in Ohio.
The incredibly invasive (but not damaging or bad, IMO) Russian/Autumn Olive is in bloom in my lower yard, making an entire half acre smell of a flowery fresh-baked sugar cookie.
It's​ a wonderful scent, and it pairs well with the scent of fresh cut grass and sweet, sticky bud.
Happy holidays!

HughFreakingDillon

living in canada, I think I have finally settled on a band name: Winterland Waldos

Bentleyspop

I live in Colorado
Everyday is 420 in Colorado

hedonist

Bentleyspop said:

I live in Colorado
Everyday is 420 in Colorado

And in CA - for me, anyway

Looking forward to this evening!





And we don't even have a dog

Kat

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/congress-members-push-feds-to-stop-messing-with-legal-weed-w477883

jeffbr

Kat said:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/congress-members-push-feds-to-stop-messing-with-legal-weed-w477883

Good stuff. I have been seeing a lot more noise coming from congress, and am hopeful that we'll see meaningful reforms in the next couple of years, Trump notwithstanding. I don't think he even cares on way or the other. Only that hillbilly Sessions, perhaps the head of DHS, and a few Bible thumpers in Congress make noise about the evils of MJ. The majority of the country is ready to have some sanity applied to Marijuana laws. Prohibition didn't work for alcohol, and isn't working for MJ. It is time for a change in the laws.

benjs

In honour of 4/20, new things are coming my way by mail! 30% off, what a deal

oftenreading

Interesting article on taxation issues related to legalization of marijuana. Whether and how much to tax, weighing what level of taxation would keep people using the illegal supply chain rather than legal.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/dan-sutton/marijuana-tax-canada_b_16436462.html

One thing that stuck out for me - "By year end 2015, Colorado had collected more taxes from cannabis consumption than alcohol sales".  That's astounding.

dignin

Sessions weighs return to harsher punishments for low-level drug crimes

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/sessions-reviews-justice-department-criminal-charging-policy/2017/05/09/74ffac3a-2e8d-11e7-8674-437ddb6e813e_story.html

rgambs

dignin said:

Sessions weighs return to harsher punishments for low-level drug crimes

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/sessions-reviews-justice-department-criminal-charging-policy/2017/05/09/74ffac3a-2e8d-11e7-8674-437ddb6e813e_story.html

Well, of course, they have to meet those mandatory minimum prisoner populations set by the private prison corporations.

jeffbr

rgambs said:

dignin said:

Sessions weighs return to harsher punishments for low-level drug crimes

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/sessions-reviews-justice-department-criminal-charging-policy/2017/05/09/74ffac3a-2e8d-11e7-8674-437ddb6e813e_story.html

Well, of course, they have to meet those mandatory minimum prisoner populations set by the private prison corporations.

Exactly right. Trump reversed Obama on the use of private prisons, I'm sure due to favors owed to donors, and it is Session's job to fill those prisons with undocumented aliens and low-level drug users. #MAGA

jeffbr

oftenreading said:

Interesting article on taxation issues related to legalization of marijuana. Whether and how much to tax, weighing what level of taxation would keep people using the illegal supply chain rather than legal.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/dan-sutton/marijuana-tax-canada_b_16436462.html

One thing that stuck out for me - "By year end 2015, Colorado had collected more taxes from cannabis consumption than alcohol sales".  That's astounding.

It is astounding, and encouraging. Because states are now reaping the benefits of legalization in a big way, there is no way they are going to roll over if Trump/Sessions want to try to enforce federal MJ laws. This just shows that prohibition has never worked. There has always been demand, and states can choose to continue the unwinnable war on drugs and continue spending senselessly in an attempt to quell that demand, or they can embrace the will of the people and reap financial reward. 

tbergs

jeffbr said:

oftenreading said:

Interesting article on taxation issues related to legalization of marijuana. Whether and how much to tax, weighing what level of taxation would keep people using the illegal supply chain rather than legal.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/dan-sutton/marijuana-tax-canada_b_16436462.html

One thing that stuck out for me - "By year end 2015, Colorado had collected more taxes from cannabis consumption than alcohol sales".  That's astounding.

It is astounding, and encouraging. Because states are now reaping the benefits of legalization in a big way, there is no way they are going to roll over if Trump/Sessions want to try to enforce federal MJ laws. This just shows that prohibition has never worked. There has always been demand, and states can choose to continue the unwinnable war on drugs and continue spending senselessly in an attempt to quell that demand, or they can embrace the will of the people and reap financial reward. 

Are you referring to all drugs or just marijuana? I hope we never go beyond marijuana legalization. I would also argue that embracing the will of the people should be carefully assessed. After all, Donald Trump was the will of 60 million people. The people don't always make the best decisions.

jeffbr

tbergs said:

jeffbr said:

oftenreading said:

Interesting article on taxation issues related to legalization of marijuana. Whether and how much to tax, weighing what level of taxation would keep people using the illegal supply chain rather than legal.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/dan-sutton/marijuana-tax-canada_b_16436462.html

One thing that stuck out for me - "By year end 2015, Colorado had collected more taxes from cannabis consumption than alcohol sales".  That's astounding.

It is astounding, and encouraging. Because states are now reaping the benefits of legalization in a big way, there is no way they are going to roll over if Trump/Sessions want to try to enforce federal MJ laws. This just shows that prohibition has never worked. There has always been demand, and states can choose to continue the unwinnable war on drugs and continue spending senselessly in an attempt to quell that demand, or they can embrace the will of the people and reap financial reward. 

Are you referring to all drugs or just marijuana? I hope we never go beyond marijuana legalization. I would also argue that embracing the will of the people should be carefully assessed. After all, Donald Trump was the will of 60 million people. The people don't always make the best decisions.

For now I'm just focused on MJ, although I'm happy to make a case for legalizing (or at the very least decriminalizing) and regulating all drugs, and spend that "war on drugs" money on better education, prevention, and treatment rather than militarized police, the DEA, and private prisons. But that clutters the discussion and I'd prefer to leave that to a different thread. Sessions' hard on about federal MJ enforcement is tiring, and I really don't have much fear of him being able to reverse any current trends on that front. I understand your point about the will of the people, but MJ legalization is a decades old, non-partisan movement based on reason and common sense. It is only political because some politicians (and religious morality police) try to make it so. And ultimately, regardless of what we think about Trump's election, the will of the people had better be taken into consideration in this country. If the will of the people violates the constitution, then either amend the constitution or ignore the will of the people. If the will of the people involves violating minority civil rights, then the will of the people should absolutely be ignored. But for the most part, the will of the people should be considered in every single thing the peoples' representatives in DC work on. 

erocshifty

rgambs said:

dignin said:

Sessions weighs return to harsher punishments for low-level drug crimes

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/sessions-reviews-justice-department-criminal-charging-policy/2017/05/09/74ffac3a-2e8d-11e7-8674-437ddb6e813e_story.html

Well, of course, they have to meet those mandatory minimum prisoner populations set by the private prison corporations.

It's also a way to strip voter rights away from someone who most likely, isn't going to vote Republican. Everything they do reminds me of the Jane's Addiction song "Obvious". 

PJ_Soul

I bought a gram of shatter for the first time last weekend. I like it better than budder - so much easier to handle.

erocshifty

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/how-henry-rollins-became-a-drug-free-pot-advocate-w481602

Man, I love Henry Rollins. I agree with a LOT of what he says on a multitude of different issues.

qontheboard

PJ_Soul said:

I bought a gram of shatter for the first time last weekend. I like it better than budder - so much easier to handle.

Shatter is such a game changer for concerts. No more worrying about getting away with smoking a joint inside, or having to go outside to do the deed. Just a quick hit or two off the Aura (now branded the Aurora) and all is good.
 

PJ_Soul

qontheboard said:

PJ_Soul said:

I bought a gram of shatter for the first time last weekend. I like it better than budder - so much easier to handle.

Shatter is such a game changer for concerts. No more worrying about getting away with smoking a joint inside, or having to go outside to do the deed. Just a quick hit or two off the Aura (now branded the Aurora) and all is good.
 

Yeah, the concentrates in the vape pens are definitely a game changer when it comes to smoking up at concerts. I actually don't do this anymore because I no longer like being high in public, but I still appreciate that budder and shatter make things a lot better for those who want to indulge discretely! I only use it at home, but even there, I enjoy budder and shatter in the pen because it's just so much easier than loading the bong and finding the lighter, haha.

josevolution

i'm an edibles guy i make my own butter now i just eat a cookie or chocolate before any functions i might be attending not need to smoke at all ..

PJ_Soul

josevolution said:

i'm an edibles guy i make my own butter now i just eat a cookie or chocolate before any functions i might be attending not need to smoke at all ..

I recently explored making my own edibles. I did work out the recipes fine... I just don't like the high edibles give. They just aren't for me.

hedonist

PJ_Soul said:

josevolution said:

i'm an edibles guy i make my own butter now i just eat a cookie or chocolate before any functions i might be attending not need to smoke at all ..

I recently explored making my own edibles. I did work out the recipes fine... I just don't like the high edibles give. They just aren't for me.

I'll do (purchased) edibles at home only.  The delay of their effects plus how hard they hit make me prefer to be in my "safe place"

I will say that bringing a vape pen to my sister's on Mother's Day helped immensely.

Very curious to see how things will - or won't - change here come 2018.  I'm going to hold on to my scrip card for sure.

oftenreading

Looks like legalized recreational marijuana may lead to reduced food production in BC, as agricultural companies switch from veggies to weed due to higher profit margins.

http://vancouversun.com/business/local-business/pot-production-could-edge-out-vegetables-on-lower-mainlands-agricultural-land-says-delta-mayor

One unintended side effect that is cause for concern.

tbergs

oftenreading said:

Looks like legalized recreational marijuana may lead to reduced food production in BC, as agricultural companies switch from veggies to weed due to higher profit margins.

http://vancouversun.com/business/local-business/pot-production-could-edge-out-vegetables-on-lower-mainlands-agricultural-land-says-delta-mayor

One unintended side effect that is cause for concern.

In other news, Frito Lay and Dominoes have increased production.....

oftenreading

tbergs said:

oftenreading said:

Looks like legalized recreational marijuana may lead to reduced food production in BC, as agricultural companies switch from veggies to weed due to higher profit margins.

http://vancouversun.com/business/local-business/pot-production-could-edge-out-vegetables-on-lower-mainlands-agricultural-land-says-delta-mayor

One unintended side effect that is cause for concern.

In other news, Frito Lay and Dominoes have increased production.....

It's not too late to buy stock

josevolution

Now i've made my own Tincture and i like it too just do 1ml about 17 drops worth in a glass of water or juice 30 mnts i'm crusing along fine ...I like edibles or tinctures with edibles i know 1 hr into it i'll be getting high i smoke when i'm home mostly on weekends but nowhere as much as i use to yrs ago ...My days of buying weed are over now i grow my own ..

brianlux

I thought I'd ask this here rather than on the "I'm stoned out of my gourd RIGHT NOW!" thread or instead of creating a new one. 

My question here is mostly directed toward those who are in the know about marijuana quality in states where it is legal medically and/or for recreational use.  My curiosity was piqued by a guy I ran into who said when the California dispensaries open for recreational marijuana in January, that which will be available will be, as he put it, "like Bud Lite" and "Monsanto pot", and "over-controlled"... i.e., not great quality non-organic.  He also railed against vape pens, saying they are unhealthy to use because of what they use to atomizes the cannabis oils.  (I'm hoping vaping is actually healthier/easier on the throat than the harshness of smoking.)

My interest in the herb will be mostly for health reasons related to arthritis, muscle and worn out joints that ache and pain resulting in wear and tear and age, anxiety, but also include the healthy benefits of relaxing and feeling good... of course!

Are the concerns of quality I've mentioned here minor, moderate or of major concern?  How can one tell or find out about this kind of thing? 

rgambs

What are the rules for growing your own?
It's a fun little hobby, gardening is the best!

eddiec

brianlux said:

I thought I'd ask this here rather than on the "I'm stoned out of my gourd RIGHT NOW!" thread or instead of creating a new one. 

My question here is mostly directed toward those who are in the know about marijuana quality in states where it is legal medically and/or for recreational use.  My curiosity was piqued by a guy I ran into who said when the California dispensaries open for recreational marijuana in January, that which will be available will be, as he put it, "like Bud Lite" and "Monsanto pot", and "over-controlled"... i.e., not great quality non-organic.  He also railed against vape pens, saying they are unhealthy to use because of what they use to atomizes the cannabis oils.  (I'm hoping vaping is actually healthier/easier on the throat than the harshness of smoking.)

My interest in the herb will be mostly for health reasons related to arthritis, muscle and worn out joints that ache and pain resulting in wear and tear and age, anxiety, but also include the healthy benefits of relaxing and feeling good... of course!

Are the concerns of quality I've mentioned here minor, moderate or of major concern?  How can one tell or find out about this kind of thing? 

I went to a dispensary in Colorado last year. There were many different strains available in both Indica and Sativa. They had loads of options for whether you were looking to use it for medicinal or recreational purposes. I talked with several different people about the industry when I was there. So far, there is no 'Budweiser' of growers. Most of them are small, independent growers and many of them do grow organically. I'm sure you could ask in the dispensary for organic grown. 

To quell any concerns, you could always visit a grower and talk to them directly.