Donald Trump

Ledbetterman10

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

bootlegger10 said:

What a colossal failure of the media.  We need to get away from the pundits and get back to news reporting.  The “Jump to Conclusions” game from Office Space would sell out in New York and DC.  

Trump is still a disgusting person, unfit to be President, and a crook, but the media got this Russia nonsense way wrong and just drives a bigger wedge in the country instead of just reporting the news.  They played right into Trump’s Fake News rhetoric. Tough to disagree right now.

I wouldn't blame this on the media:

"The attorney general also stated that Mueller did not reach a conclusion on whether President Trump committed any offenses relating to obstruction of justice.

"The Special Counsel states that 'while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him,' " the letter reads."

Honestly, I don't know wtf that means. If he didn't commit a crime why is he not exonerated?

To me its the master of the Iran Contra coverup back to perform his magic.

I took it to say that there was no findings of collusion with Russia, but that  Trump may have obstructed the investigation but not enough to be charged.  So, no Russia collusion but likely some lies by the President.

So I took it that the investigation was whether there was collusion and the answer is a clear no.

I look forward to watch people claim Trump obstructed an investigation into a crime he never committed. Please. Keep going. I want to spike more footballs. I am not yet sick of the winning.

You’re like the Atlanta Falcons going up 21-3 

Conversely, you may be like the Patriots going into SB42 with a record of 18-0. "We got this." 

Spiritual_Chaos

josevolution said:

Still thee most corrupt individual to ever occupy the WH and the 50% that allow him to be this way are no better deplorables indeed , even here we have a few ...

Yes. Disgusting and shameful and laughable.

Spiritual_Chaos

tbergs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

https://twitter.com/DavidOAtkins/status/1110031109658562560

Is this guy serious? He must not understand how the legal system works. People make a deal to avoid getting their entire life dragged through a public trial when the evidence is that overwhelming. All those rich assholes knew their only option was to plea and cooperate or spend lots of money to be even more publicly humiliated.

So, why did Mueller need their cooperation?

dignin

So, Why Did Mueller Tell Everyone About Paul Manafort’s Buddy Who Had Active Ties to Russian Intelligence?

Why in the dang heck did the special counsel’s office just go out of its way to accuse former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort of discussing Russia policy in 2016 with someone who had ongoing ties to Russian intelligence … if it was also about to conclude that no one in the campaign “conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities”?

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/03/mueller-manafort-kilimnik-no-collusion-how.html?via=rss_flipboard

Release the report

dignin

Watergate Figure John Dean Suspects Barr May Be Hiding Something 'Fairly Ugly'

Dean found the conclusion ― and the phrasing ― to be very curious. 

“He put a little lipstick on something that might’ve been fairly ugly,” he told CNN’s Don Lemon, adding: 

“We haven’t really seen the underlying report, but I have some suspicions that the reason he boiled this down the way he did is because it’s not very attractive, Don. [Mueller’s] words are very different than Barr’s, I suspect.”

He also said Mueller might have backed off the obstruction issue because of a “fundamental disagreement” with the Department of Justice on whether or not a president is even capable of obstruction:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/watergate-figure-john-dean-suspects-084802061.html

PJNB

dignin said:

Watergate Figure John Dean Suspects Barr May Be Hiding Something 'Fairly Ugly'

Dean found the conclusion ― and the phrasing ― to be very curious. 

“He put a little lipstick on something that might’ve been fairly ugly,” he told CNN’s Don Lemon, adding: 

“We haven’t really seen the underlying report, but I have some suspicions that the reason he boiled this down the way he did is because it’s not very attractive, Don. [Mueller’s] words are very different than Barr’s, I suspect.”

He also said Mueller might have backed off the obstruction issue because of a “fundamental disagreement” with the Department of Justice on whether or not a president is even capable of obstruction:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/watergate-figure-john-dean-suspects-084802061.html

Speculation like this is going to just drag this on forever and hurt the Dems chance in 2020 even more so then what this report has already done. If you want him out get him out in 2020 with your vote. Dragging this on is only going to hurt the lefts chance and strengthen Trumps. When he is not protected in 2020 and he is guilty of something let his empire crumble and leave him with nothing but another bankruptcy. 

dignin

OnWis97 said:

So here's where we are.  It actually was a witch hunt.  The Trump campaign is clean.  Most likely, the entire thing was done based on lies and treason.  Trump is polarizing, but roughly 50% popular.  The economy is humming, he's doing pretty well abroad.  And he's now survived a witch hunt.  He's actually been an effective president.  Or, at least, things have gone well despite him. His unprofessionalism and twitter trolling doesn't really matter to many people and the fact that his very existence pisses off the left is an asset at election time.  

That said, we still need him out badly.  His following is still cult-like and it's increasing.  I still believe we are on the road to authoritarianism.  He's been effective. That's actually pretty common for dictators.  The courts are no longer being stacked with right-leaning and left-leaning upholders of the law.  They are being stacked with party loyalists. And, the people in control (Trump, the GOP, and the voters) are letting the earth burn to own the libs. 

But the witch hunt might render the 2020 election a one-party election.  Please GOP, start caring about the country ahead of owning the libs.  The libs are owning themselves.

Everything but your second paragraph is nonsense.

dignin

PJNB said:

dignin said:

Watergate Figure John Dean Suspects Barr May Be Hiding Something 'Fairly Ugly'

Dean found the conclusion ― and the phrasing ― to be very curious. 

“He put a little lipstick on something that might’ve been fairly ugly,” he told CNN’s Don Lemon, adding: 

“We haven’t really seen the underlying report, but I have some suspicions that the reason he boiled this down the way he did is because it’s not very attractive, Don. [Mueller’s] words are very different than Barr’s, I suspect.”

He also said Mueller might have backed off the obstruction issue because of a “fundamental disagreement” with the Department of Justice on whether or not a president is even capable of obstruction:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/watergate-figure-john-dean-suspects-084802061.html

Speculation like this is going to just drag this on forever and hurt the Dems chance in 2020 even more so then what this report has already done. If you want him out get him out in 2020 with your vote. Dragging this on is only going to hurt the lefts chance and strengthen Trumps. When he is not protected in 2020 and he is guilty of something let his empire crumble and leave him with nothing but another bankruptcy. 

That would be a mistake.

Release the report.

Ledbetterman10

PJNB said:

dignin said:

Watergate Figure John Dean Suspects Barr May Be Hiding Something 'Fairly Ugly'

Dean found the conclusion ― and the phrasing ― to be very curious. 

“He put a little lipstick on something that might’ve been fairly ugly,” he told CNN’s Don Lemon, adding: 

“We haven’t really seen the underlying report, but I have some suspicions that the reason he boiled this down the way he did is because it’s not very attractive, Don. [Mueller’s] words are very different than Barr’s, I suspect.”

He also said Mueller might have backed off the obstruction issue because of a “fundamental disagreement” with the Department of Justice on whether or not a president is even capable of obstruction:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/watergate-figure-john-dean-suspects-084802061.html

Speculation like this is going to just drag this on forever and hurt the Dems chance in 2020 even more so then what this report has already done. If you want him out get him out in 2020 with your vote. Dragging this on is only going to hurt the lefts chance and strengthen Trumps. When he is not protected in 2020 and he is guilty of something let his empire crumble and leave him with nothing but another bankruptcy. 

I agree. I think the majority of the electorate isn't following this Mueller thing too closely. They just hear about it a bit here and a bit there on the evening news. They understand that it's about Trump being in cahoots with Russia, which Mueller found no evidence of. So I think some people might think  "well, that's that." But now it's turning into a matter of obstruction of justice (or whatever Barr might be withholding at this time)  and I think a lot of people may feel "Ugh...MORE of this crap?" and may believe the GOP's narrative that the whole thing is just a matter of jealous democrats trying to take down the guy that beat them. It could turn off some voters.

my2hands

So Trump is either a total moron, or is a diabolical criminal mastermind in a vast international conspiracy

Can we make up our minds on this one?

HughFreakingDillon

BS44325 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

BS44325 said:

mfc2006 said:

BS44325 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

bootlegger10 said:

What a colossal failure of the media.  We need to get away from the pundits and get back to news reporting.  The “Jump to Conclusions” game from Office Space would sell out in New York and DC.  

Trump is still a disgusting person, unfit to be President, and a crook, but the media got this Russia nonsense way wrong and just drives a bigger wedge in the country instead of just reporting the news.  They played right into Trump’s Fake News rhetoric. Tough to disagree right now.

I wouldn't blame this on the media:

"The attorney general also stated that Mueller did not reach a conclusion on whether President Trump committed any offenses relating to obstruction of justice.

"The Special Counsel states that 'while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him,' " the letter reads."

Honestly, I don't know wtf that means. If he didn't commit a crime why is he not exonerated?

To me its the master of the Iran Contra coverup back to perform his magic.

I took it to say that there was no findings of collusion with Russia, but that  Trump may have obstructed the investigation but not enough to be charged.  So, no Russia collusion but likely some lies by the President.

So I took it that the investigation was whether there was collusion and the answer is a clear no.

I look forward to watch people claim Trump obstructed an investigation into a crime he never committed. Please. Keep going. I want to spike more footballs. I am not yet sick of the winning.

You act like you know everything, so please enlighten us. Seriously. I can't take the Barr/Rosenstein summary as the end of the road...because everyone should understand that it is NOT the end of the road. Yet you seem to pounce and celebrate. If this is "winning"...I don't want to win.

Again, please explain the full report to us when you get a chance. Oh wait...it hasn't been released yet. And chances are that it never will be fully released. 

One follow up question....
Is this the only investigation? Just curious.

I do know everything. It is not an act. At some point you will all need to come to grips with that.

not everything. you clearly don't know how obstruction of justice potentially works. 

You’re a plagiarist.

pardon?

Ledbetterman10

my2hands said:

So Trump is either a total moron, or is a diabolical criminal mastermind in a vast international conspiracy

Can we make up our minds on this one?

I think he lands somewhere in-between. "Shyster" seems like the most appropriate word to describe both his business career and his political career. 

tbergs

Spiritual_Chaos said:

tbergs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

https://twitter.com/DavidOAtkins/status/1110031109658562560

Is this guy serious? He must not understand how the legal system works. People make a deal to avoid getting their entire life dragged through a public trial when the evidence is that overwhelming. All those rich assholes knew their only option was to plea and cooperate or spend lots of money to be even more publicly humiliated.

So, why did Mueller need their cooperation?

This is all information you can find in much more detail by just looking it up. Sorry, I don't have the time to explain why witnesses cooperate and what it means for both sides.

In the case of Mueller, it never meant they were getting close to Trump or giving him up. Too many people were mislead with the whole collusion story line and thought something was going to implicate Trump in some vast conspiracy to overthrow the 2016 election. The Russians didn't need his help, they just needed his ignorance and stupidity. None of that means a thing when it comes down to the financial corruption and tax fraud Don has benefited from for years. No piece of evidence or documentation will ever sway the Trump lovers and the lack of such documentation will not sway the Trump skeptics. Unless he is indicted and tried in a court of law, and even then the evidence would need to be obvious (like video or direct confessions) for his supporters to understand or believe, nothing will make a difference moving forward.

Holding on to hope of damning information in an unreleased report is not what this country should be focused on because more gray allegations and references about corruption will only strengthen this worthless piece of shit's case for re-election. He's corrupt as fuck and anyone who still doesn't know that or chooses not to care, are not going to change their mind before election night 2020.

rustneversleeps

Halifax2TheMax said:

OnWis97 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

OnWis97 said:

So here's where we are.  It actually was a witch hunt.  The Trump campaign is clean.  Most likely, the entire thing was done based on lies and treason.  Trump is polarizing, but roughly 50% popular.  The economy is humming, he's doing pretty well abroad.  And he's now survived a witch hunt.  He's actually been an effective president.  Or, at least, things have gone well despite him. His unprofessionalism and twitter trolling doesn't really matter to many people and the fact that his very existence pisses off the left is an asset at election time.  

That said, we still need him out badly.  His following is still cult-like and it's increasing.  I still believe we are on the road to authoritarianism.  He's been effective. That's actually pretty common for dictators.  The courts are no longer being stacked with right-leaning and left-leaning upholders of the law.  They are being stacked with party loyalists. And, the people in control (Trump, the GOP, and the voters) are letting the earth burn to own the libs. 

But the witch hunt might render the 2020 election a one-party election.  Please GOP, start caring about the country ahead of owning the libs.  The libs are owning themselves.

It was not a witch hunt. It was a legally authorized investigation. The witch hunt is about to begin.

Huh?

I suppose you mean investigating the potential treason connected to the bullshit dossier.  It's probably necessary.  It's only problematic if it's not honest (which is possible).

Damn. There’s a legal track and a political track. Team  Mueller was the legal track. The political track is about to begin. Remember Benghazi? Oh, and by the way, you’re trusting a 4 page summary by those hand picked? Let’s see the full report and allow the legislative branch to “check” or pump the brakes, yo! 28-3.

this guy is unhinged....  wake me up when its time for the pregame handjob.

HughFreakingDillon

it's over. time to focus on 2020. 

Lerxst1992

mcgruff10 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

bootlegger10 said:

What a colossal failure of the media.  We need to get away from the pundits and get back to news reporting.  The “Jump to Conclusions” game from Office Space would sell out in New York and DC.  

Trump is still a disgusting person, unfit to be President, and a crook, but the media got this Russia nonsense way wrong and just drives a bigger wedge in the country instead of just reporting the news.  They played right into Trump’s Fake News rhetoric. Tough to disagree right now.

I wouldn't blame this on the media:

"The attorney general also stated that Mueller did not reach a conclusion on whether President Trump committed any offenses relating to obstruction of justice.

"The Special Counsel states that 'while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him,' " the letter reads."

Honestly, I don't know wtf that means. If he didn't commit a crime why is he not exonerated?

To me its the master of the Iran Contra coverup back to perform his magic.

I took it to say that there was no findings of collusion with Russia, but that  Trump may have obstructed the investigation but not enough to be charged.  So, no Russia collusion but likely some lies by the President.

So I took it that the investigation was whether there was collusion and the answer is a clear no.

I look forward to watch people claim Trump obstructed an investigation into a crime he never committed. Please. Keep going. I want to spike more footballs. I am not yet sick of the winning.

Wait, what? How did you win?  What did you have to do with anything? 

To me the win is not having a trial for the next two years. Instead of watergate/lewinsky 2.0 we can now go back to work and attempt to fix the many problems we have in the us.  

Completely agree.  Now we can focus on the anemic GDP growth as further proof that trickle down economics doesn't work. That will be the election albatross. 

How about I am facing the biggest tax  increase I ever faced in my life, a gift from a republican president and republican Congress .

Trump governs only to his 40% base that lives in red states, and his followers wonder why everyone else hates him. 

How could that be? I paid less in taxes and made more. 

I lost a huge SALT deduction while the tax rate decreased slightly, not nearly enough to offset the lost deduction.

Got ya. I m sorry bud. Did you end up owing or just get less of a refund?

Thanks, less of a refund, but a huge change in it.

Lerxst1992

BS44325 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

bootlegger10 said:

What a colossal failure of the media.  We need to get away from the pundits and get back to news reporting.  The “Jump to Conclusions” game from Office Space would sell out in New York and DC.  

Trump is still a disgusting person, unfit to be President, and a crook, but the media got this Russia nonsense way wrong and just drives a bigger wedge in the country instead of just reporting the news.  They played right into Trump’s Fake News rhetoric. Tough to disagree right now.

I wouldn't blame this on the media:

"The attorney general also stated that Mueller did not reach a conclusion on whether President Trump committed any offenses relating to obstruction of justice.

"The Special Counsel states that 'while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him,' " the letter reads."

Honestly, I don't know wtf that means. If he didn't commit a crime why is he not exonerated?

To me its the master of the Iran Contra coverup back to perform his magic.

I took it to say that there was no findings of collusion with Russia, but that  Trump may have obstructed the investigation but not enough to be charged.  So, no Russia collusion but likely some lies by the President.

So I took it that the investigation was whether there was collusion and the answer is a clear no.

I look forward to watch people claim Trump obstructed an investigation into a crime he never committed. Please. Keep going. I want to spike more footballs. I am not yet sick of the winning.

Wait, what? How did you win?  What did you have to do with anything? 

To me the win is not having a trial for the next two years. Instead of watergate/lewinsky 2.0 we can now go back to work and attempt to fix the many problems we have in the us.  

Completely agree.  Now we can focus on the anemic GDP growth as further proof that trickle down economics doesn't work. That will be the election albatross. 

How about I am facing the biggest tax  increase I ever faced in my life, a gift from a republican president and republican Congress .

Trump governs only to his 40% base that lives in red states, and his followers wonder why everyone else hates him. 

You want people in red states to continue subsidizing your services? Protest your Governor not your President. 

As with most everything from Trump supporters, that is completely false. 

Money flows from blue states to red states:

"THE FACTS:

Connecticut residents paid an average of $15,643 per person in federal taxes in 2015, according to a report by the Rockefeller Institute of Government. Massachusetts paid $13,582 per person, New Jersey paid $13,137 and New York paid $12,820.

California residents paid an average of $10,510.

At the other end, Mississippi residents paid an average of $5,740 per person, while West Virginia paid $6,349, Kentucky paid $6,626 and South Carolina paid $6,665.

Low-tax red states also fare better when you take into account federal spending.

Mississippi received $2.13 for every tax dollar the state sent to Washington in 2015, according to the Rockefeller study. West Virginia received $2.07, Kentucky got $1.90 and South Carolina got $1.71.

Meanwhile, New Jersey received 74 cents in federal spending for tax every dollar the state sent to Washington. New York received 81 cents, Connecticut received 82 cents and Massachusetts received 83 cents."

https://www.apnews.com/2f83c72de1bd440d92cdbc0d3b6bc08c

 

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Russian troops land in Venezuela? Am I missing something here? Is this an issue or not? How does McDonald respond to this? Is a response necessary?

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/russian-air-force-planes-land-in-venezuela-carrying-troops-reports/ar-BBVb002?ocid=spartanntp

Lerxst1992

my2hands said:

The president is not a stooge of the Kremlin, and you guys act like someone just stole your puppy... 

I'm pissed because this really hurts for 2020

We haven't seen the report yet and you are making conclusions?

Trump is not exonerated regarding obstruction.

The problem with that is obstruction obstructs. Where would we be today if there was none?

Tell me, where did the obstruction end?

 Firing Comey?

Firing sessions?

Hammering away at the legitimacy of the investigation 76 times a day?

Appointing the Iran Contra coverup Mastermind as AG?

Withholding the report for 3 days, and counting?

It seems the investigation trajectory changed drastically when sessions was fired?

Correct me if I  am wrong, but the moment Comey announced Hillary wasnt getting indicted, he hammered her in public, during an election.

And her "guilt" became a campaign slogan. Were you complaining about that?

dignin

HughFreakingDillon said:

it's over. time to focus on 2020. 

What's over? You don't want to see Mueller's report? Should they just close the 12+ other investigations into Trump, his organization and his administration? Because it might make democrats look bad?

The GOP had multiple investigations into Benghazi for years that went nowhere and it didn't hurt them politically in the least.

I really don't understand this attitude.