Donald Trump

HughFreakingDillon

dignin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

it's over. time to focus on 2020. 

What's over? You don't want to see Mueller's report? Should they just close the 12+ other investigations into Trump, his organization and his administration? Because it might make democrats look bad?

The GOP had multiple investigations into Benghazi for years that went nowhere and it didn't hurt them politically in the least.

I really don't understand this attitude.

sure I do. but it just feels like people are grasping at straws here, still holding out faint hope that someone this will lead to trump's demise. I don't think it will. 

Ledbetterman10

dignin said:

The GOP had multiple investigations into Benghazi for years that went nowhere and it didn't hurt them politically in the least.

I think the public perception of the Benghazi investigations was that they were seeking justice for the Americans that died, as a opposed to what they really were from the GOP's point of view: to get Hillary. I think the public perception of all of these Trump investigations is that they are meant to "get Trump," and not much more. "Credit" Hannity and folks of his ilk for helping along that perception. 

josevolution

Ledbetterman10 said:

my2hands said:

So Trump is either a total moron, or is a diabolical criminal mastermind in a vast international conspiracy

Can we make up our minds on this one?

I think he lands somewhere in-between. "Shyster" seems like the most appropriate word to describe both his business career and his political career. 

Nope crook fits him just fine ..

my2hands

2 years to indict Roger Stone for talking about Podesta's worthless emails... and Manafort for tax & loan issues well before the Trump campaign....

Sweet lol

mrussel1

Lerxst1992 said:

BS44325 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

bootlegger10 said:

What a colossal failure of the media.  We need to get away from the pundits and get back to news reporting.  The “Jump to Conclusions” game from Office Space would sell out in New York and DC.  

Trump is still a disgusting person, unfit to be President, and a crook, but the media got this Russia nonsense way wrong and just drives a bigger wedge in the country instead of just reporting the news.  They played right into Trump’s Fake News rhetoric. Tough to disagree right now.

I wouldn't blame this on the media:

"The attorney general also stated that Mueller did not reach a conclusion on whether President Trump committed any offenses relating to obstruction of justice.

"The Special Counsel states that 'while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him,' " the letter reads."

Honestly, I don't know wtf that means. If he didn't commit a crime why is he not exonerated?

To me its the master of the Iran Contra coverup back to perform his magic.

I took it to say that there was no findings of collusion with Russia, but that  Trump may have obstructed the investigation but not enough to be charged.  So, no Russia collusion but likely some lies by the President.

So I took it that the investigation was whether there was collusion and the answer is a clear no.

I look forward to watch people claim Trump obstructed an investigation into a crime he never committed. Please. Keep going. I want to spike more footballs. I am not yet sick of the winning.

Wait, what? How did you win?  What did you have to do with anything? 

To me the win is not having a trial for the next two years. Instead of watergate/lewinsky 2.0 we can now go back to work and attempt to fix the many problems we have in the us.  

Completely agree.  Now we can focus on the anemic GDP growth as further proof that trickle down economics doesn't work. That will be the election albatross. 

How about I am facing the biggest tax  increase I ever faced in my life, a gift from a republican president and republican Congress .

Trump governs only to his 40% base that lives in red states, and his followers wonder why everyone else hates him. 

You want people in red states to continue subsidizing your services? Protest your Governor not your President. 

As with most everything from Trump supporters, that is completely false. 

Money flows from blue states to red states:

"THE FACTS:

Connecticut residents paid an average of $15,643 per person in federal taxes in 2015, according to a report by the Rockefeller Institute of Government. Massachusetts paid $13,582 per person, New Jersey paid $13,137 and New York paid $12,820.

California residents paid an average of $10,510.

At the other end, Mississippi residents paid an average of $5,740 per person, while West Virginia paid $6,349, Kentucky paid $6,626 and South Carolina paid $6,665.

Low-tax red states also fare better when you take into account federal spending.

Mississippi received $2.13 for every tax dollar the state sent to Washington in 2015, according to the Rockefeller study. West Virginia received $2.07, Kentucky got $1.90 and South Carolina got $1.71.

Meanwhile, New Jersey received 74 cents in federal spending for tax every dollar the state sent to Washington. New York received 81 cents, Connecticut received 82 cents and Massachusetts received 83 cents."

https://www.apnews.com/2f83c72de1bd440d92cdbc0d3b6bc08c

 

Exactly, in every analysis you can do, blue states are donors to the federal government. BS's talking point there was reflective of someone who knows just a little about American politics; enough to declare something totally inaccurate with authority.  

OnWis97

I kinda hope the full report is not released.  That shadow of a doubt is all we have...

Spiritual_Chaos

my2hands said:

So Trump is either a total moron, or is a diabolical criminal mastermind in a vast international conspiracy

Can we make up our minds on this one?

tbergs

OnWis97 said:

I kinda hope the full report is not released.  That shadow of a doubt is all we have...

I don't. The sooner it's released the quicker the media can quit speculating more conspiracies that will only vindicate Trump more in the eyes of his supporters when they are proven wrong. Release the whole thing and then someone put together the crib notes for simpletons to understand. Even 4 page memos are too much for some people. They'll leave it to Hannity and Colbert to stroke they're bias one way or another.

dignin

Joint Statement of Judiciary Chair Nadler, Intelligence Chair Schiff and Oversight Chair Cummings

Mar 24, 2019 

Press Release

Washington, D.C. (Mar. 24, 2019)—Today, House Judiciary Chairman Jerrold Nadler (D-NY), Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Chairman Adam B. Schiff (D-CA), and Committee on Oversight and Reform Chairman Elijah E. Cummings (D-MD) released the following joint statement in response to Attorney General William Barr’s letter sharing the principle conclusions in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s final report: "After reading the Attorney General’s four-page summary of the Special Counsel’s findings, we reiterate our call for the release of the Special Counsel’s full and complete report and all underlying documents.  We also call for Attorney General Barr to come forward to testify before the House Judiciary Committee without delay.  Far from the ‘total exoneration’ claimed by the President, the Mueller report expressly does not exonerate the President.  Instead, it ‘sets out evidence on both sides of the question’ of obstruction—including the evidence that President Trump attempted to obstruct justice.   "It is unacceptable that, after Special Counsel Mueller spent 22 months meticulously uncovering this evidence, Attorney General Barr made a decision not to charge the President in under 48 hours.  The Attorney General did so without even interviewing the President.  His unsolicited, open memorandum to the Department of Justice, suggesting that the obstruction investigation was ‘fatally misconceived,’ calls into question his objectivity on this point in particular. "Attorney General Barr states that the Special Counsel did not find evidence sufficient to establish beyond a reasonable doubt, for purposes of prosecution, that the Trump campaign conspired to join Russia’s election-related online disinformation and hacking and dissemination efforts, notwithstanding multiple offers from Russian-affiliated parties to assist the Trump campaign. "Although we have confidence that Special Counsel Mueller made the right prosecutorial judgement in these two specific areas—notwithstanding the very public evidence of Trump campaign contact with and willingness to receive support from Russian agents—it will be vital for the country and the Congress to evaluate the full body of evidence collected by the Special Counsel, including all information gathered of a counterintelligence nature. "The only information the Congress and the American people have received regarding this investigation is the Attorney General’s own work product.  The Special Counsel’s Report should be allowed to speak for itself, and Congress must have the opportunity to evaluate the underlying evidence.  "These shortcomings in today’s letter are the very reason our nation has a system of separation of powers.  We cannot simply rely on what may be a partisan interpretation of facts uncovered during the course of a 22-month review of possible wrongdoing by the President.  "The American people deserve to see the facts and judge the President’s actions for themselves. "Earlier this month, the House passed a resolution calling for the release of the Special Counsel’s report by a vote of 420-0.  The Attorney General must release the report and the underlying evidence in full, and appear before the House Judiciary Committee to answer our questions without delay."

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https://oversight.house.gov/news/press-releases/joint-statement-of-judiciary-chair-nadler-intelligence-chair-schiff-and

pjhawks

Haven't read this whole thread and to be honest was more interested in the NCAA Tournament this weekend so forgive me if this has been discussed.  But I want to see the whole report because I need to know how it's possible that Don Jr.s meeting with the Russians in Trump Tower is not considered collusion.  

Spiritual_Chaos

dignin said:

Joint Statement of Judiciary Chair Nadler, Intelligence Chair Schiff and Oversight Chair Cummings

Mar 24, 2019 

Press Release

Washington, D.C. (Mar. 24, 2019)—Today, House Judiciary Chairman Jerrold Nadler (D-NY), Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Chairman Adam B. Schiff (D-CA), and Committee on Oversight and Reform Chairman Elijah E. Cummings (D-MD) released the following joint statement in response to Attorney General William Barr’s letter sharing the principle conclusions in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s final report: "After reading the Attorney General’s four-page summary of the Special Counsel’s findings, we reiterate our call for the release of the Special Counsel’s full and complete report and all underlying documents.  We also call for Attorney General Barr to come forward to testify before the House Judiciary Committee without delay.  Far from the ‘total exoneration’ claimed by the President, the Mueller report expressly does not exonerate the President.  Instead, it ‘sets out evidence on both sides of the question’ of obstruction—including the evidence that President Trump attempted to obstruct justice.   "It is unacceptable that, after Special Counsel Mueller spent 22 months meticulously uncovering this evidence, Attorney General Barr made a decision not to charge the President in under 48 hours.  The Attorney General did so without even interviewing the President.  His unsolicited, open memorandum to the Department of Justice, suggesting that the obstruction investigation was ‘fatally misconceived,’ calls into question his objectivity on this point in particular. "Attorney General Barr states that the Special Counsel did not find evidence sufficient to establish beyond a reasonable doubt, for purposes of prosecution, that the Trump campaign conspired to join Russia’s election-related online disinformation and hacking and dissemination efforts, notwithstanding multiple offers from Russian-affiliated parties to assist the Trump campaign. "Although we have confidence that Special Counsel Mueller made the right prosecutorial judgement in these two specific areas—notwithstanding the very public evidence of Trump campaign contact with and willingness to receive support from Russian agents—it will be vital for the country and the Congress to evaluate the full body of evidence collected by the Special Counsel, including all information gathered of a counterintelligence nature. "The only information the Congress and the American people have received regarding this investigation is the Attorney General’s own work product.  The Special Counsel’s Report should be allowed to speak for itself, and Congress must have the opportunity to evaluate the underlying evidence.  "These shortcomings in today’s letter are the very reason our nation has a system of separation of powers.  We cannot simply rely on what may be a partisan interpretation of facts uncovered during the course of a 22-month review of possible wrongdoing by the President.  "The American people deserve to see the facts and judge the President’s actions for themselves. "Earlier this month, the House passed a resolution calling for the release of the Special Counsel’s report by a vote of 420-0.  The Attorney General must release the report and the underlying evidence in full, and appear before the House Judiciary Committee to answer our questions without delay."

###

https://oversight.house.gov/news/press-releases/joint-statement-of-judiciary-chair-nadler-intelligence-chair-schiff-and

American politics is like a TV-show on a basic cable channel. 

Democrats writing statements just for CNN etc to read out loud on air (I'm guessing?). Attorney Generals coming to conclusions within 48 hours on his own - TV-speed! and democrats complaining about the speed without knowing what's inside the Mueller report. 

Why not chill out instead of playing Ally McBeal-politics at every turn.

OnWis97

tbergs said:

OnWis97 said:

I kinda hope the full report is not released.  That shadow of a doubt is all we have...

I don't. The sooner it's released the quicker the media can quit speculating more conspiracies that will only vindicate Trump more in the eyes of his supporters when they are proven wrong. Release the whole thing and then someone put together the crib notes for simpletons to understand. Even 4 page memos are too much for some people. They'll leave it to Hannity and Colbert to stroke they're bias one way or another.

That's a good point.  Sooner it's released, the sooner we can move on.

Ledbetterman10

Spiritual_Chaos said:

dignin said:

Joint Statement of Judiciary Chair Nadler, Intelligence Chair Schiff and Oversight Chair Cummings

Mar 24, 2019 

Press Release

Washington, D.C. (Mar. 24, 2019)—Today, House Judiciary Chairman Jerrold Nadler (D-NY), Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Chairman Adam B. Schiff (D-CA), and Committee on Oversight and Reform Chairman Elijah E. Cummings (D-MD) released the following joint statement in response to Attorney General William Barr’s letter sharing the principle conclusions in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s final report: "After reading the Attorney General’s four-page summary of the Special Counsel’s findings, we reiterate our call for the release of the Special Counsel’s full and complete report and all underlying documents.  We also call for Attorney General Barr to come forward to testify before the House Judiciary Committee without delay.  Far from the ‘total exoneration’ claimed by the President, the Mueller report expressly does not exonerate the President.  Instead, it ‘sets out evidence on both sides of the question’ of obstruction—including the evidence that President Trump attempted to obstruct justice.   "It is unacceptable that, after Special Counsel Mueller spent 22 months meticulously uncovering this evidence, Attorney General Barr made a decision not to charge the President in under 48 hours.  The Attorney General did so without even interviewing the President.  His unsolicited, open memorandum to the Department of Justice, suggesting that the obstruction investigation was ‘fatally misconceived,’ calls into question his objectivity on this point in particular. "Attorney General Barr states that the Special Counsel did not find evidence sufficient to establish beyond a reasonable doubt, for purposes of prosecution, that the Trump campaign conspired to join Russia’s election-related online disinformation and hacking and dissemination efforts, notwithstanding multiple offers from Russian-affiliated parties to assist the Trump campaign. "Although we have confidence that Special Counsel Mueller made the right prosecutorial judgement in these two specific areas—notwithstanding the very public evidence of Trump campaign contact with and willingness to receive support from Russian agents—it will be vital for the country and the Congress to evaluate the full body of evidence collected by the Special Counsel, including all information gathered of a counterintelligence nature. "The only information the Congress and the American people have received regarding this investigation is the Attorney General’s own work product.  The Special Counsel’s Report should be allowed to speak for itself, and Congress must have the opportunity to evaluate the underlying evidence.  "These shortcomings in today’s letter are the very reason our nation has a system of separation of powers.  We cannot simply rely on what may be a partisan interpretation of facts uncovered during the course of a 22-month review of possible wrongdoing by the President.  "The American people deserve to see the facts and judge the President’s actions for themselves. "Earlier this month, the House passed a resolution calling for the release of the Special Counsel’s report by a vote of 420-0.  The Attorney General must release the report and the underlying evidence in full, and appear before the House Judiciary Committee to answer our questions without delay."

###

https://oversight.house.gov/news/press-releases/joint-statement-of-judiciary-chair-nadler-intelligence-chair-schiff-and

American politics is like a TV-show on a basic cable channel. 

Democrats writing statements just for CNN etc to read out loud on air (I'm guessing?). Attorney Generals coming to conclusions within 48 hours on his own - TV-speed! and democrats complaining about the speed without knowing what's inside the Mueller report. 

Why not chill out instead of playing Ally McBeal-politics at every turn.

There's an old saying that politics is show-business for ugly people. 

Lerxst1992

my2hands said:

2 years to indict Roger Stone for talking about Podesta's worthless emails... and Manafort for tax & loan issues well before the Trump campaign....

Sweet lol

Charges219 ⇶⇶⇶Aggravated identity theft118
Indictments
37
Assisting in the preparation of false tax returns5
Subpoenas5+S
Bank fraud8
Grand Jury Subpoenas18+P
Bank fraud conspiracy10
Grand Jury Testimony12E
Conspiracy against the United States2
Private Interviews40C
Conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States13

Questioning by FBI14I
Conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud3Search Warrants9A
Conspiracy to defraud the United States16
Arrests3L
Conspiracy to launder money12
Guilty Pleas7
Conspiracy to obstruct justice2
Guilty Verdicts1C
Failure to report foreign bank and financial accounts7
Sentences2O
False and misleading FARA statements1
Past Trials1U
False statements6
Current trials0N
Filing a false amended return1
Future trials2S
Filing false tax returns5U.S. Nationals5E
Identity fraud1Dutch Nationals1L
Obstruction of justice2
Russian Nationals14
Subscribing to false tax returns5
Russian Organizations3
Unregistered agent of a foreign principal2
GRU Officers12


...

Not included above...

GOP operatives indicted for helping to launder Russian money thru the NRA for republicans...

Why is that ok ?

Spiritual_Chaos

my2hands said:

2 years to indict Roger Stone for talking about Podesta's worthless emails... and Manafort for tax & loan issues well before the Trump campaign....

Sweet lol

Why are you making excused for people acting shitty and criminal? 

tempo_n_groove

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Russian troops land in Venezuela? Am I missing something here? Is this an issue or not? How does McDonald respond to this? Is a response necessary?

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/russian-air-force-planes-land-in-venezuela-carrying-troops-reports/ar-BBVb002?ocid=spartanntp

WOW, no one commented on this?

tempo_n_groove

Lerxst1992 said:

my2hands said:

2 years to indict Roger Stone for talking about Podesta's worthless emails... and Manafort for tax & loan issues well before the Trump campaign....

Sweet lol

Charges219 ⇶⇶⇶Aggravated identity theft118
Indictments
37
Assisting in the preparation of false tax returns5
Subpoenas5+S
Bank fraud8
Grand Jury Subpoenas18+P
Bank fraud conspiracy10
Grand Jury Testimony12E
Conspiracy against the United States2
Private Interviews40C
Conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States13

Questioning by FBI14I
Conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud3Search Warrants9A
Conspiracy to defraud the United States16
Arrests3L
Conspiracy to launder money12
Guilty Pleas7
Conspiracy to obstruct justice2
Guilty Verdicts1C
Failure to report foreign bank and financial accounts7
Sentences2O
False and misleading FARA statements1
Past Trials1U
False statements6
Current trials0N
Filing a false amended return1
Future trials2S
Filing false tax returns5U.S. Nationals5E
Identity fraud1Dutch Nationals1L
Obstruction of justice2
Russian Nationals14
Subscribing to false tax returns5
Russian Organizations3
Unregistered agent of a foreign principal2
GRU Officers12


...

Not included above...

GOP operatives indicted for helping to launder Russian money thru the NRA for republicans...

Why is that ok ?

"GOP operatives indicted for helping to launder Russian money thru the NRA for republicans..."

Where did you dig that up from?

tbergs

tempo_n_groove said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Russian troops land in Venezuela? Am I missing something here? Is this an issue or not? How does McDonald respond to this? Is a response necessary?

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/russian-air-force-planes-land-in-venezuela-carrying-troops-reports/ar-BBVb002?ocid=spartanntp

WOW, no one commented on this?

Yeah, not even the WH. Go figure.

my2hands

Lerxst1992 said:

my2hands said:

2 years to indict Roger Stone for talking about Podesta's worthless emails... and Manafort for tax & loan issues well before the Trump campaign....

Sweet lol

Charges219 ⇶⇶⇶Aggravated identity theft118
Indictments
37
Assisting in the preparation of false tax returns5
Subpoenas5+S
Bank fraud8
Grand Jury Subpoenas18+P
Bank fraud conspiracy10
Grand Jury Testimony12E
Conspiracy against the United States2
Private Interviews40C
Conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States13

Questioning by FBI14I
Conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud3Search Warrants9A
Conspiracy to defraud the United States16
Arrests3L
Conspiracy to launder money12
Guilty Pleas7
Conspiracy to obstruct justice2
Guilty Verdicts1C
Failure to report foreign bank and financial accounts7
Sentences2O
False and misleading FARA statements1
Past Trials1U
False statements6
Current trials0N
Filing a false amended return1
Future trials2S
Filing false tax returns5U.S. Nationals5E
Identity fraud1Dutch Nationals1L
Obstruction of justice2
Russian Nationals14
Subscribing to false tax returns5
Russian Organizations3
Unregistered agent of a foreign principal2
GRU Officers12


...

Not included above...

GOP operatives indicted for helping to launder Russian money thru the NRA for republicans...

Why is that ok ?

Ummmmmm, ok? Lol

mrussel1

tempo_n_groove said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Russian troops land in Venezuela? Am I missing something here? Is this an issue or not? How does McDonald respond to this? Is a response necessary?

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/russian-air-force-planes-land-in-venezuela-carrying-troops-reports/ar-BBVb002?ocid=spartanntp

WOW, no one commented on this?

I must have missed it.. It's a problem.  Russia sees it as payback for our interference in their sphere of influence.  Trump is in a huge box on this one, as we blatantly pushed for a coup and it hasn't happened.  I don't see how it happens now, with Russia and China backing Maduro.