in any case we are on track to become Great Again ! Obama and Hillary are out and a real president for the people has started to do what needs to be done ! TRUMP !
he got blown out of the race early on, when the race came down to the home stretch it was Hillary or Trump, shit we can all thank Hillary for putting the old hippie out of our misery LOL ! she couldn't out smart or out spend Trump but she buried Bernie for sure, for someone who has as much time in politics' as Hillary I'm surprised she did not concentrate more on the electoral college vote, she handed Trump the presidential election via landslide, popular vote has never won an election, she knew that.
Hey when do you think President bafoon will release the info on when president Obama hacked his phones ?
you're a little behind in the times friend, you really don't believe dumboma didn't tap his lines or other lines for that matter ?
In other words.... GF doesn't require proof. If TRUMP says it, it's fact.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
in any case we are on track to become Great Again ! Obama and Hillary are out and a real president for the people has started to do what needs to be done ! TRUMP !
he got blown out of the race early on, when the race came down to the home stretch it was Hillary or Trump, shit we can all thank Hillary for putting the old hippie out of our misery LOL ! she couldn't out smart or out spend Trump but she buried Bernie for sure, for someone who has as much time in politics' as Hillary I'm surprised she did not concentrate more on the electoral college vote, she handed Trump the presidential election via landslide, popular vote has never won an election, she knew that.
Hey when do you think President bafoon will release the info on when president Obama hacked his phones ?
you're a little behind in the times friend, you really don't believe dumboma didn't tap his lines or other lines for that matter ?
No.. in fact no one does. McCain doesn't. Nunes doesn't. Graham doesn't. Comey doesn't. Clapper doesn't. Warner doesn't. Schiff doesn't.
The only people that do are the one that don't understand the system in place and fail to think critically about the situation. Where do you stand?
In the pathetic trump irony of the day, the guy who respects women more than anyone else just had 38 trademarks approved in China, one for escort services. Hey, the upside is that it's another step closer to impeachment.
in any case we are on track to become Great Again ! Obama and Hillary are out and a real president for the people has started to do what needs to be done ! TRUMP !
he got blown out of the race early on, when the race came down to the home stretch it was Hillary or Trump, shit we can all thank Hillary for putting the old hippie out of our misery LOL ! she couldn't out smart or out spend Trump but she buried Bernie for sure, for someone who has as much time in politics' as Hillary I'm surprised she did not concentrate more on the electoral college vote, she handed Trump the presidential election via landslide, popular vote has never won an election, she knew that.
Hey when do you think President bafoon will release the info on when president Obama hacked his phones ?
you're a little behind in the times friend, you really don't believe dumboma didn't tap his lines or other lines for that matter ?
You, calling Obama, a Harvard educated constitutional law scholar who was twice elected POTUS dumb, is rich and without comparison.
in any case we are on track to become Great Again ! Obama and Hillary are out and a real president for the people has started to do what needs to be done ! TRUMP !
he got blown out of the race early on, when the race came down to the home stretch it was Hillary or Trump, shit we can all thank Hillary for putting the old hippie out of our misery LOL ! she couldn't out smart or out spend Trump but she buried Bernie for sure, for someone who has as much time in politics' as Hillary I'm surprised she did not concentrate more on the electoral college vote, she handed Trump the presidential election via landslide, popular vote has never won an election, she knew that.
Hey when do you think President bafoon will release the info on when president Obama hacked his phones ?
you're a little behind in the times friend, you really don't believe dumboma didn't tap his lines or other lines for that matter ?
So you're saying to believe the man who lies over and over in the name of distraction that his phones were tapped with absolutely zero evidence? There is literally zero evidence to this insane claim. If he has the proof that Obama did this, it would take just one trip to Capitol Hill with the evidence or one phone call to intelligence to verify it. But he doesn't do that. Why? Because he has no evidence.
in any case we are on track to become Great Again ! Obama and Hillary are out and a real president for the people has started to do what needs to be done ! TRUMP !
he got blown out of the race early on, when the race came down to the home stretch it was Hillary or Trump, shit we can all thank Hillary for putting the old hippie out of our misery LOL ! she couldn't out smart or out spend Trump but she buried Bernie for sure, for someone who has as much time in politics' as Hillary I'm surprised she did not concentrate more on the electoral college vote, she handed Trump the presidential election via landslide, popular vote has never won an election, she knew that.
Hey when do you think President bafoon will release the info on when president Obama hacked his phones ?
you're a little behind in the times friend, you really don't believe dumboma didn't tap his lines or other lines for that matter ?
In other words.... GF doesn't require proof. If TRUMP says it, it's fact.
In the pathetic trump irony of the day, the guy who respect women more than anyone else just had 38 trademarks approved in China, one for escort services. Hey, the upside is that it's another step closer to impeachment.
saw something the other day i thought was ridiculous & it goes like this here
"zombie outbreak response team" bumper stickers... no wait. they were not bumper stickers. "zombie outbreak response team" emblems. i believe emblems is the correct description here. they were metal & strategically placed on this mercury 4 door resembling a police cruiser. i thought to myself, "dorks". then as i stroll by the vehicle they have a "trump 2016" bumper sticker placed on the back glass.
ok. ok.
this is the type of person .... fuck it. never mind.
in any case we are on track to become Great Again ! Obama and Hillary are out and a real president for the people has started to do what needs to be done ! TRUMP !
he got blown out of the race early on, when the race came down to the home stretch it was Hillary or Trump, shit we can all thank Hillary for putting the old hippie out of our misery LOL ! she couldn't out smart or out spend Trump but she buried Bernie for sure, for someone who has as much time in politics' as Hillary I'm surprised she did not concentrate more on the electoral college vote, she handed Trump the presidential election via landslide, popular vote has never won an election, she knew that.
in any case we are on track to become Great Again ! Obama and Hillary are out and a real president for the people has started to do what needs to be done ! TRUMP !
he got blown out of the race early on, when the race came down to the home stretch it was Hillary or Trump, shit we can all thank Hillary for putting the old hippie out of our misery LOL ! she couldn't out smart or out spend Trump but she buried Bernie for sure, for someone who has as much time in politics' as Hillary I'm surprised she did not concentrate more on the electoral college vote, she handed Trump the presidential election via landslide, popular vote has never won an election, she knew that.
Hey when do you think President bafoon will release the info on when president Obama hacked his phones ?
you're a little behind in the times friend, you really don't believe dumboma didn't tap his lines or other lines for that matter ?
lol talk about being behind I asked you when your hero bafoon would release the intel on when President Obama wired tapped bafoon tower ?
This is going to get really interesting. I wonder if I can watch or listen to CSPAN on my work computer the week of the 20th? Hello, IT department, I have a request.
The so-called angry crowds in home districts of some Republicans are actually, in numerous cases, planned out by liberal activists. Sad!
Are liberals not allowed to be angry and do they not have the right to petition their elected representatives by attending these town halls, planned or otherwise?
It's sad Trump and his supporters are afraid of democracy.
in any case we are on track to become Great Again ! Obama and Hillary are out and a real president for the people has started to do what needs to be done ! TRUMP !
he got blown out of the race early on, when the race came down to the home stretch it was Hillary or Trump, shit we can all thank Hillary for putting the old hippie out of our misery LOL ! she couldn't out smart or out spend Trump but she buried Bernie for sure, for someone who has as much time in politics' as Hillary I'm surprised she did not concentrate more on the electoral college vote, she handed Trump the presidential election via landslide, popular vote has never won an election, she knew that.
Trump! Jobs! Jeb!
Bernie would have beat her ass if it hadn't been for all those predetermined Super delegets. Bernie had no chance from the get go. They just let him run so that she would have someone to debate. Come On.
The so-called angry crowds in home districts of some Republicans are actually, in numerous cases, planned out by liberal activists. Sad!
Are liberals not allowed to be angry and do they not have the right to petition their elected representatives by attending these town halls, planned or otherwise?
It's sad Trump and his supporters are afraid of democracy.
in any case we are on track to become Great Again ! Obama and Hillary are out and a real president for the people has started to do what needs to be done ! TRUMP !
he got blown out of the race early on, when the race came down to the home stretch it was Hillary or Trump, shit we can all thank Hillary for putting the old hippie out of our misery LOL ! she couldn't out smart or out spend Trump but she buried Bernie for sure, for someone who has as much time in politics' as Hillary I'm surprised she did not concentrate more on the electoral college vote, she handed Trump the presidential election via landslide, popular vote has never won an election, she knew that.
Trump! Jobs! Jeb!
Bernie would have beat her ass if it hadn't been for all those predetermined Super delegets. Bernie had no chance from the get go. They just let him run so that she would have someone to debate. Come On.
This is in response to your early post @mrussel1 after my last one yesterday...thread got to long so can't quote.
The investigation will happen but guilt by innuendo is dead. Everybody in the know, including Clapper, stated this past weekend that there is no collusion based on the intelligence they have seen. There is nothing left for Warner or anyone else to see unless you are suggesting that there in fact are new transcripts of conversations illustrating collusion that were obtained through CIA spying. These are the cards being placed on the table and Sessions recusing himself doesn't change anything. Graham has now asked for details of any spying and/or warrants and while you could be right that Trump is lying everybody including Hillary campaign manager Robbie Mook have already conceded that the Russian calls were being spied on. Everybody has conceded that Flynn was spied on. All it takes is one of those phone calls to have passed through Trump Tower and Trump's tweet essentially becomes correct. People can then argue whether Obama should be accused of pushing for the spying but who cares? Guilt by innuendo is the new game in town. If the democrats want to play that way for the duration of Trump's administration so be it. Like the honey badger Trump doesn't give a fuck.
in any case we are on track to become Great Again ! Obama and Hillary are out and a real president for the people has started to do what needs to be done ! TRUMP !
he got blown out of the race early on, when the race came down to the home stretch it was Hillary or Trump, shit we can all thank Hillary for putting the old hippie out of our misery LOL ! she couldn't out smart or out spend Trump but she buried Bernie for sure, for someone who has as much time in politics' as Hillary I'm surprised she did not concentrate more on the electoral college vote, she handed Trump the presidential election via landslide, popular vote has never won an election, she knew that.
Hey when do you think President bafoon will release the info on when president Obama hacked his phones ?
you're a little behind in the times friend, you really don't believe dumboma didn't tap his lines or other lines for that matter ?
So you're saying to believe the man who lies over and over in the name of distraction that his phones were tapped with absolutely zero evidence? There is literally zero evidence to this insane claim. If he has the proof that Obama did this, it would take just one trip to Capitol Hill with the evidence or one phone call to intelligence to verify it. But he doesn't do that. Why? Because he has no evidence.
There is more evidence of people listening in on Trump surrogates dealing with Russia then there is evidence of Trump surrogates colludinf with Russia. In fact all "evidence" of collusion comes from the listening in. Listening includes monitoring of email and computer communications as well.
This is in response to your early post @mrussel1 after my last one yesterday...thread got to long so can't quote.
The investigation will happen but guilt by innuendo is dead. Everybody in the know, including Clapper, stated this past weekend that there is no collusion based on the intelligence they have seen. There is nothing left for Warner or anyone else to see unless you are suggesting that there in fact are new transcripts of conversations illustrating collusion that were obtained through CIA spying. These are the cards being placed on the table and Sessions recusing himself doesn't change anything. Graham has now asked for details of any spying and/or warrants and while you could be right that Trump is lying everybody including Hillary campaign manager Robbie Mook have already conceded that the Russian calls were being spied on. Everybody has conceded that Flynn was spied on. All it takes is one of those phone calls to have passed through Trump Tower and Trump's tweet essentially becomes correct. People can then argue whether Obama should be accused of pushing for the spying but who cares? Guilt by innuendo is the new game in town. If the democrats want to play that way for the duration of Trump's administration so be it. Like the honey badger Trump doesn't give a fuck.
If it's over, then why did the GOP intel members go to Langley yesterday and the Democrats today?
Don't you find it interesting that not one ally in congress has defended Trump's tweet?
in any case we are on track to become Great Again ! Obama and Hillary are out and a real president for the people has started to do what needs to be done ! TRUMP !
he got blown out of the race early on, when the race came down to the home stretch it was Hillary or Trump, shit we can all thank Hillary for putting the old hippie out of our misery LOL ! she couldn't out smart or out spend Trump but she buried Bernie for sure, for someone who has as much time in politics' as Hillary I'm surprised she did not concentrate more on the electoral college vote, she handed Trump the presidential election via landslide, popular vote has never won an election, she knew that.
Hey when do you think President bafoon will release the info on when president Obama hacked his phones ?
you're a little behind in the times friend, you really don't believe dumboma didn't tap his lines or other lines for that matter ?
So you're saying to believe the man who lies over and over in the name of distraction that his phones were tapped with absolutely zero evidence? There is literally zero evidence to this insane claim. If he has the proof that Obama did this, it would take just one trip to Capitol Hill with the evidence or one phone call to intelligence to verify it. But he doesn't do that. Why? Because he has no evidence.
There is more evidence of people listening in on Trump surrogates dealing with Russia then there is evidence of Trump surrogates colludinf with Russia. In fact all "evidence" of collusion comes from the listening in. Listening includes monitoring of email and computer communications as well.
That's not what the President said though. He said Barack Obama tapped his phone and Trump Towers. Communications with campaign members of the Trump team and Russia are their own damn fault. Of course we're listening in on Russian conversations here. If they're dumb enough to still initiate a conversation knowing damn well that it will get picked up by our intelligence is their own moronic fault. The Trump members weren't tapped, the people they were talking to though were.
BS is in serious denial. Trump could have picked up the phone and quietly asked if there were taps on his phone from both the FBI and or FISA origination. But by doing his twit storm, he effectively declassified whatever Intel may have been obtained. Intel that is now available to be shared and not held as classified. BS still seems to not understand that Obama alone cannot, nor any president, order wire taps. A policy put in place after Tricky Dick Nixon did just that. The shit that starts on March 20, 2017, is just the tip of the iceberg. BS, do you think there just might be a whole lot of shit that's been swept up and is sitting on servers just waiting for the dots to be connected? Stuff from 2008 when Bush was in office right up to today? The real fun starts when subpoenas are issued and congress and investigators have transcripts of who called who, when and what was said, all collected within the law. Granted, Trump will have legal counsel but the damage will be done. Now tell me why my fantasy is just that and yours is not, professor?
Clinton's impeachment began with an investigation of a land deal in Arkansas and billing records. Watch the blowback. Guilt by innuendo? That's fucking hilarious. I call it Karma.
This is in response to your early post @mrussel1 after my last one yesterday...thread got to long so can't quote.
The investigation will happen but guilt by innuendo is dead. Everybody in the know, including Clapper, stated this past weekend that there is no collusion based on the intelligence they have seen. There is nothing left for Warner or anyone else to see unless you are suggesting that there in fact are new transcripts of conversations illustrating collusion that were obtained through CIA spying. These are the cards being placed on the table and Sessions recusing himself doesn't change anything. Graham has now asked for details of any spying and/or warrants and while you could be right that Trump is lying everybody including Hillary campaign manager Robbie Mook have already conceded that the Russian calls were being spied on. Everybody has conceded that Flynn was spied on. All it takes is one of those phone calls to have passed through Trump Tower and Trump's tweet essentially becomes correct. People can then argue whether Obama should be accused of pushing for the spying but who cares? Guilt by innuendo is the new game in town. If the democrats want to play that way for the duration of Trump's administration so be it. Like the honey badger Trump doesn't give a fuck.
If it's over, then why did the GOP intel members go to Langley yesterday and the Democrats today?
Don't you find it interesting that not one ally in congress has defended Trump's tweet?
The members are going to Langley because an investigation was promised and it's happening. Nobody resisted an investigation. What was resisted was a special prosecutor. There could be new developments out of Langley but I highly doubt it based on Clapper's and other's statements. It's just standard due diligence at this point.
I also do find it interesting that not one ally has defended Trump but that doesn't concern me...yet. There is the simple explanation that people may still not have access to knowledge that he just received and/or can't talk about said knowledge. In legal terms only Trump has actual authority to declassify certain things so that "might" be the reason in the short term. I totally leave open the possibility though that on this he could be full of shit. I have never denied his actual "full of shitness" on many things. What I have repeated though is that his "full of shitness" is often far more tactical and effective then people give him credit for. I personally don't like his use of it because I think it demeans the presidency but it sure fucking works and in this case it really is brilliant if he wants to end guilt by innuendo once and for all.
in any case we are on track to become Great Again ! Obama and Hillary are out and a real president for the people has started to do what needs to be done ! TRUMP !
he got blown out of the race early on, when the race came down to the home stretch it was Hillary or Trump, shit we can all thank Hillary for putting the old hippie out of our misery LOL ! she couldn't out smart or out spend Trump but she buried Bernie for sure, for someone who has as much time in politics' as Hillary I'm surprised she did not concentrate more on the electoral college vote, she handed Trump the presidential election via landslide, popular vote has never won an election, she knew that.
Hey when do you think President bafoon will release the info on when president Obama hacked his phones ?
you're a little behind in the times friend, you really don't believe dumboma didn't tap his lines or other lines for that matter ?
So you're saying to believe the man who lies over and over in the name of distraction that his phones were tapped with absolutely zero evidence? There is literally zero evidence to this insane claim. If he has the proof that Obama did this, it would take just one trip to Capitol Hill with the evidence or one phone call to intelligence to verify it. But he doesn't do that. Why? Because he has no evidence.
There is more evidence of people listening in on Trump surrogates dealing with Russia then there is evidence of Trump surrogates colludinf with Russia. In fact all "evidence" of collusion comes from the listening in. Listening includes monitoring of email and computer communications as well.
That's not what the President said though. He said Barack Obama tapped his phone and Trump Towers. Communications with campaign members of the Trump team and Russia are their own damn fault. Of course we're listening in on Russian conversations here. If they're dumb enough to still initiate a conversation knowing damn well that it will get picked up by our intelligence is their own moronic fault. The Trump members weren't tapped, the people they were talking to though were.
But they are not dumb on this point. Of course Flynn knows the Russians are being monitored...he worked under Obama in intelligence. The Trump people would have known this as well. That is why it is easy to make the "spying" charge even though I think it goes beyond this. Also remember that Flynn was not found of discussing anything improper. He resigned because he wasn't correct with the Vice President.
This is in response to your early post @mrussel1 after my last one yesterday...thread got to long so can't quote.
The investigation will happen but guilt by innuendo is dead. Everybody in the know, including Clapper, stated this past weekend that there is no collusion based on the intelligence they have seen. There is nothing left for Warner or anyone else to see unless you are suggesting that there in fact are new transcripts of conversations illustrating collusion that were obtained through CIA spying. These are the cards being placed on the table and Sessions recusing himself doesn't change anything. Graham has now asked for details of any spying and/or warrants and while you could be right that Trump is lying everybody including Hillary campaign manager Robbie Mook have already conceded that the Russian calls were being spied on. Everybody has conceded that Flynn was spied on. All it takes is one of those phone calls to have passed through Trump Tower and Trump's tweet essentially becomes correct. People can then argue whether Obama should be accused of pushing for the spying but who cares? Guilt by innuendo is the new game in town. If the democrats want to play that way for the duration of Trump's administration so be it. Like the honey badger Trump doesn't give a fuck.
If it's over, then why did the GOP intel members go to Langley yesterday and the Democrats today?
Don't you find it interesting that not one ally in congress has defended Trump's tweet?
The members are going to Langley because an investigation was promised and it's happening. Nobody resisted an investigation. What was resisted was a special prosecutor. There could be new developments out of Langley but I highly doubt it based on Clapper's and other's statements. It's just standard due diligence at this point.
I also do find it interesting that not one ally has defended Trump but that doesn't concern me...yet. There is the simple explanation that people may still not have access to knowledge that he just received and/or can't talk about said knowledge. In legal terms only Trump has actual authority to declassify certain things so that "might" be the reason in the short term. I totally leave open the possibility though that on this he could be full of shit. I have never denied his actual "full of shitness" on many things. What I have repeated though is that his "full of shitness" is often far more tactical and effective then people give him credit for. I personally don't like his use of it because I think it demeans the presidency but it sure fucking works and in this case it really is brilliant if he wants to end guilt by innuendo once and for all.
Oh his full of "shit"ness is definitely strategic. I won't argue that. But he has the authority to de-classify the information. He also could just send it straight down to Capitol Hill, into the Select Intelligence Committees and blow up the Democrats and Obama with it... and really turn the story around on them. But he hasn't. Strange?
I'm not arguing there will be a special prosecutor at this point. But don't forget the investigation is now in the hands of the deputy AG who worked in the Obama administration. He will make the final decision of a special prosecutor now that Sessions has recused himself.
Last but most importantly is the story that is coming out of this weekend. And that's Trump's loss of credibility. The voter fraud thing was a lie, but not his worst lie. This could be his worst lie yet (it's early of course) and unless there is some sort of "there" there, it damages his credibility badly with the American people, but also to his own party's members particularly in the Senate.
I don't even really debate trump supporters, even the few friends I have who are. It is not worth my time. When you have wilful ignorance, cognitive dissonance, whatever you want to call it, it isn't debatable. I have a better chance of teaching my dogs sign language than having a trump supporter acknowledge a fact (or a lie).
This is in response to your early post @mrussel1 after my last one yesterday...thread got to long so can't quote.
The investigation will happen but guilt by innuendo is dead. Everybody in the know, including Clapper, stated this past weekend that there is no collusion based on the intelligence they have seen. There is nothing left for Warner or anyone else to see unless you are suggesting that there in fact are new transcripts of conversations illustrating collusion that were obtained through CIA spying. These are the cards being placed on the table and Sessions recusing himself doesn't change anything. Graham has now asked for details of any spying and/or warrants and while you could be right that Trump is lying everybody including Hillary campaign manager Robbie Mook have already conceded that the Russian calls were being spied on. Everybody has conceded that Flynn was spied on. All it takes is one of those phone calls to have passed through Trump Tower and Trump's tweet essentially becomes correct. People can then argue whether Obama should be accused of pushing for the spying but who cares? Guilt by innuendo is the new game in town. If the democrats want to play that way for the duration of Trump's administration so be it. Like the honey badger Trump doesn't give a fuck.
If it's over, then why did the GOP intel members go to Langley yesterday and the Democrats today?
Don't you find it interesting that not one ally in congress has defended Trump's tweet?
The members are going to Langley because an investigation was promised and it's happening. Nobody resisted an investigation. What was resisted was a special prosecutor. There could be new developments out of Langley but I highly doubt it based on Clapper's and other's statements. It's just standard due diligence at this point.
I also do find it interesting that not one ally has defended Trump but that doesn't concern me...yet. There is the simple explanation that people may still not have access to knowledge that he just received and/or can't talk about said knowledge. In legal terms only Trump has actual authority to declassify certain things so that "might" be the reason in the short term. I totally leave open the possibility though that on this he could be full of shit. I have never denied his actual "full of shitness" on many things. What I have repeated though is that his "full of shitness" is often far more tactical and effective then people give him credit for. I personally don't like his use of it because I think it demeans the presidency but it sure fucking works and in this case it really is brilliant if he wants to end guilt by innuendo once and for all.
Oh his full of "shit"ness is definitely strategic. I won't argue that. But he has the authority to de-classify the information. He also could just send it straight down to Capitol Hill, into the Select Intelligence Committees and blow up the Democrats and Obama with it... and really turn the story around on them. But he hasn't. Strange?
I'm not arguing there will be a special prosecutor at this point. But don't forget the investigation is now in the hands of the deputy AG who worked in the Obama administration. He will make the final decision of a special prosecutor now that Sessions has recused himself.
Last but most importantly is the story that is coming out of this weekend. And that's Trump's loss of credibility. The voter fraud thing was a lie, but not his worst lie. This could be his worst lie yet (it's early of course) and unless there is some sort of "there" there, it damages his credibility badly with the American people, but also to his own party's members particularly in the Senate.
I would agree that this would be the worst lie but it will be easy to claim truth even if there is just a shred of data mined through Trump Tower on the Russian end. Sure it would be disingenuous but I don't believe it would harm him politically at all...the numbers at the moment just don't bare that out.
On the issue of declassification I think none of us truly know the answer on this. There are so many different agencies, sources and methods, legal issues etc. that could bind this up over the short term. At some point evidence has to be put forward for sure but it has only been a few days. A small amount of patience should be acceptable but not infinite.
Lastly on the deputy AG. He seems to have an interesting history with Obama. Dana Boente was actually removed from the line of succession by Obama just seven days before Obama left office. He was then reappointed to the line of succession by Trump via excutive order. Kind of bizzare backstory and it will be interesting how he moves forward on the investigation.
This is in response to your early post @mrussel1 after my last one yesterday...thread got to long so can't quote.
The investigation will happen but guilt by innuendo is dead. Everybody in the know, including Clapper, stated this past weekend that there is no collusion based on the intelligence they have seen. There is nothing left for Warner or anyone else to see unless you are suggesting that there in fact are new transcripts of conversations illustrating collusion that were obtained through CIA spying. These are the cards being placed on the table and Sessions recusing himself doesn't change anything. Graham has now asked for details of any spying and/or warrants and while you could be right that Trump is lying everybody including Hillary campaign manager Robbie Mook have already conceded that the Russian calls were being spied on. Everybody has conceded that Flynn was spied on. All it takes is one of those phone calls to have passed through Trump Tower and Trump's tweet essentially becomes correct. People can then argue whether Obama should be accused of pushing for the spying but who cares? Guilt by innuendo is the new game in town. If the democrats want to play that way for the duration of Trump's administration so be it. Like the honey badger Trump doesn't give a fuck.
If it's over, then why did the GOP intel members go to Langley yesterday and the Democrats today?
Don't you find it interesting that not one ally in congress has defended Trump's tweet?
The members are going to Langley because an investigation was promised and it's happening. Nobody resisted an investigation. What was resisted was a special prosecutor. There could be new developments out of Langley but I highly doubt it based on Clapper's and other's statements. It's just standard due diligence at this point.
I also do find it interesting that not one ally has defended Trump but that doesn't concern me...yet. There is the simple explanation that people may still not have access to knowledge that he just received and/or can't talk about said knowledge. In legal terms only Trump has actual authority to declassify certain things so that "might" be the reason in the short term. I totally leave open the possibility though that on this he could be full of shit. I have never denied his actual "full of shitness" on many things. What I have repeated though is that his "full of shitness" is often far more tactical and effective then people give him credit for. I personally don't like his use of it because I think it demeans the presidency but it sure fucking works and in this case it really is brilliant if he wants to end guilt by innuendo once and for all.
Oh his full of "shit"ness is definitely strategic. I won't argue that. But he has the authority to de-classify the information. He also could just send it straight down to Capitol Hill, into the Select Intelligence Committees and blow up the Democrats and Obama with it... and really turn the story around on them. But he hasn't. Strange?
I'm not arguing there will be a special prosecutor at this point. But don't forget the investigation is now in the hands of the deputy AG who worked in the Obama administration. He will make the final decision of a special prosecutor now that Sessions has recused himself.
Last but most importantly is the story that is coming out of this weekend. And that's Trump's loss of credibility. The voter fraud thing was a lie, but not his worst lie. This could be his worst lie yet (it's early of course) and unless there is some sort of "there" there, it damages his credibility badly with the American people, but also to his own party's members particularly in the Senate.
I would agree that this would be the worst lie but it will be easy to claim truth even if there is just a shred of data mined through Trump Tower on the Russian end. Sure it would be disingenuous but I don't believe it would harm him politically at all...the numbers at the moment just don't bare that out.
On the issue of declassification I think none of us truly know the answer on this. There are so many different agencies, sources and methods, legal issues etc. that could bind this up over the short term. At some point evidence has to be put forward for sure but it has only been a few days. A small amount of patience should be acceptable but not infinite.
Lastly on the deputy AG. He seems to have an interesting history with Obama. Dana Boente was actually removed from the line of succession by Obama just seven days before Obama left office. He was then reappointed to the line of succession by Trump via excutive order. Kind of bizzare backstory and it will be interesting how he moves forward on the investigation.
Dana Boente has nothing to do with this right now. It's the fella who testified before the senate yesterday who will take on the investigation as Depity AG. Boente was acting AG after Yates was fired and is back in his duty as heading up eastern Virginia in the courts.
This is in response to your early post @mrussel1 after my last one yesterday...thread got to long so can't quote.
The investigation will happen but guilt by innuendo is dead. Everybody in the know, including Clapper, stated this past weekend that there is no collusion based on the intelligence they have seen. There is nothing left for Warner or anyone else to see unless you are suggesting that there in fact are new transcripts of conversations illustrating collusion that were obtained through CIA spying. These are the cards being placed on the table and Sessions recusing himself doesn't change anything. Graham has now asked for details of any spying and/or warrants and while you could be right that Trump is lying everybody including Hillary campaign manager Robbie Mook have already conceded that the Russian calls were being spied on. Everybody has conceded that Flynn was spied on. All it takes is one of those phone calls to have passed through Trump Tower and Trump's tweet essentially becomes correct. People can then argue whether Obama should be accused of pushing for the spying but who cares? Guilt by innuendo is the new game in town. If the democrats want to play that way for the duration of Trump's administration so be it. Like the honey badger Trump doesn't give a fuck.
If it's over, then why did the GOP intel members go to Langley yesterday and the Democrats today?
Don't you find it interesting that not one ally in congress has defended Trump's tweet?
The members are going to Langley because an investigation was promised and it's happening. Nobody resisted an investigation. What was resisted was a special prosecutor. There could be new developments out of Langley but I highly doubt it based on Clapper's and other's statements. It's just standard due diligence at this point.
I also do find it interesting that not one ally has defended Trump but that doesn't concern me...yet. There is the simple explanation that people may still not have access to knowledge that he just received and/or can't talk about said knowledge. In legal terms only Trump has actual authority to declassify certain things so that "might" be the reason in the short term. I totally leave open the possibility though that on this he could be full of shit. I have never denied his actual "full of shitness" on many things. What I have repeated though is that his "full of shitness" is often far more tactical and effective then people give him credit for. I personally don't like his use of it because I think it demeans the presidency but it sure fucking works and in this case it really is brilliant if he wants to end guilt by innuendo once and for all.
Oh his full of "shit"ness is definitely strategic. I won't argue that. But he has the authority to de-classify the information. He also could just send it straight down to Capitol Hill, into the Select Intelligence Committees and blow up the Democrats and Obama with it... and really turn the story around on them. But he hasn't. Strange?
I'm not arguing there will be a special prosecutor at this point. But don't forget the investigation is now in the hands of the deputy AG who worked in the Obama administration. He will make the final decision of a special prosecutor now that Sessions has recused himself.
Last but most importantly is the story that is coming out of this weekend. And that's Trump's loss of credibility. The voter fraud thing was a lie, but not his worst lie. This could be his worst lie yet (it's early of course) and unless there is some sort of "there" there, it damages his credibility badly with the American people, but also to his own party's members particularly in the Senate.
I would agree that this would be the worst lie but it will be easy to claim truth even if there is just a shred of data mined through Trump Tower on the Russian end. Sure it would be disingenuous but I don't believe it would harm him politically at all...the numbers at the moment just don't bare that out.
On the issue of declassification I think none of us truly know the answer on this. There are so many different agencies, sources and methods, legal issues etc. that could bind this up over the short term. At some point evidence has to be put forward for sure but it has only been a few days. A small amount of patience should be acceptable but not infinite.
Lastly on the deputy AG. He seems to have an interesting history with Obama. Dana Boente was actually removed from the line of succession by Obama just seven days before Obama left office. He was then reappointed to the line of succession by Trump via excutive order. Kind of bizzare backstory and it will be interesting how he moves forward on the investigation.
Dana Boente has nothing to do with this right now. It's the fella who testified before the senate yesterday who will take on the investigation as Depity AG. Boente was acting AG after Yates was fired and is back in his duty as heading up eastern Virginia in the courts.
If you're talking about Rosenstein he hasn't been confirmed yet and I believe he was a George W Bush appointee. It's not a given he will be confirmed.
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The investigation will happen but guilt by innuendo is dead. Everybody in the know, including Clapper, stated this past weekend that there is no collusion based on the intelligence they have seen. There is nothing left for Warner or anyone else to see unless you are suggesting that there in fact are new transcripts of conversations illustrating collusion that were obtained through CIA spying. These are the cards being placed on the table and Sessions recusing himself doesn't change anything. Graham has now asked for details of any spying and/or warrants and while you could be right that Trump is lying everybody including Hillary campaign manager Robbie Mook have already conceded that the Russian calls were being spied on. Everybody has conceded that Flynn was spied on. All it takes is one of those phone calls to have passed through Trump Tower and Trump's tweet essentially becomes correct. People can then argue whether Obama should be accused of pushing for the spying but who cares? Guilt by innuendo is the new game in town. If the democrats want to play that way for the duration of Trump's administration so be it. Like the honey badger Trump doesn't give a fuck.
Don't you find it interesting that not one ally in congress has defended Trump's tweet?
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Clinton's impeachment began with an investigation of a land deal in Arkansas and billing records. Watch the blowback. Guilt by innuendo? That's fucking hilarious. I call it Karma.
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I also do find it interesting that not one ally has defended Trump but that doesn't concern me...yet. There is the simple explanation that people may still not have access to knowledge that he just received and/or can't talk about said knowledge. In legal terms only Trump has actual authority to declassify certain things so that "might" be the reason in the short term. I totally leave open the possibility though that on this he could be full of shit. I have never denied his actual "full of shitness" on many things. What I have repeated though is that his "full of shitness" is often far more tactical and effective then people give him credit for. I personally don't like his use of it because I think it demeans the presidency but it sure fucking works and in this case it really is brilliant if he wants to end guilt by innuendo once and for all.
I'm not arguing there will be a special prosecutor at this point. But don't forget the investigation is now in the hands of the deputy AG who worked in the Obama administration. He will make the final decision of a special prosecutor now that Sessions has recused himself.
Last but most importantly is the story that is coming out of this weekend. And that's Trump's loss of credibility. The voter fraud thing was a lie, but not his worst lie. This could be his worst lie yet (it's early of course) and unless there is some sort of "there" there, it damages his credibility badly with the American people, but also to his own party's members particularly in the Senate.
Edit: So I commend those who keep trying.
On the issue of declassification I think none of us truly know the answer on this. There are so many different agencies, sources and methods, legal issues etc. that could bind this up over the short term. At some point evidence has to be put forward for sure but it has only been a few days. A small amount of patience should be acceptable but not infinite.
Lastly on the deputy AG. He seems to have an interesting history with Obama. Dana Boente was actually removed from the line of succession by Obama just seven days before Obama left office. He was then reappointed to the line of succession by Trump via excutive order. Kind of bizzare backstory and it will be interesting how he moves forward on the investigation.
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