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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,398
    edited February 2017

    RYME said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    BS44325 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    It is so crazy how he thinks he doesn't come of as a complete idiot at all his press conferences, lol, and keeps doing it. He isn't learning any lessons at all. It's pretty delusional.

    This is where it's amazing how two people can watch the same thing and come to a completely different conclusion. I thought it was a masterful performance. And I do mean "performance".
    Why do you think him acting like a bumbling, racist moron is a masterful performance? If you think he is acting like that on purpose to... what? Make everyone make fun of him? - and not even stringing full sentences together for the most part - then I don't even know what to say to you. Trump acts like that because that is who and what he is, not because he's putting on an act in an attempt to.... make everyone think he's a fucking idiot? Or am I completely misinterpreting your post??
    At what point in time has Donald Trump been racist?
    What did he say today that would be considered offensive to any race?
    If anyone out here that is of a different race than Donald Trump, I'd be interested to know what offended you.
    Please don't blast me for asking.
    Anyway that's what many of us like, is the bumbling,nonscriped off the cuff talking. He may not be the smoothest speaker, I'll give you that, but he didn't need a teleprompter either.
    When he says the same thing twice which he does all the time, that is a mental pause while he is deciding what to say next.
    Some people just say (huhhh, uhhhhh uuuum)
    then continue.
    We covered trump being a racist months ago in here. Everyone agreed, like we often do, and moved on.
    How about you actually give him a real response. You may not agree, but his question was about today. The accountability to supporting statements goes both ways.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • mfc2006 said:

    mfc2006 said:

    Kat said:

    I tried to think of a comment for posting this link but I'm left almost speechless.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-reporter-black-caucus_us_58a5fe71e4b037d17d25f1cb?unbcupe55q93323xr&

    yeah, I've got nothing either. just wow.
    What is wrong with this?
    President Trump offered a direct ear to the black caucus.
    This pandemonium is getting weird over every single thing he says. People are going to drive themselves nuts - it's been three weeks people.
    So is it his fault he doesn't know any members? So what?
    Do you two know any members? Are you two in a position to bring the black caucus to the President for a meeting.
    This is insanity.
    There was nothing wrong with the President offering this - he would follow through on the meet.
    The dump trumpsters are spinning and it's painful to watch now.
    I think my initial reaction was partially due to the shitty press conference that he had just given. Now that I have had some time to do a little reading & research, my only problem with it is that he should have already set up that meeting, whether he knows someone in that caucus or not is beside the point. What makes him think that she knew someone? I can definitely see why it would ruffle some feathers, though.

    And, for the record....
    Thanks for referring to me as a dumpster. I truly appreciate that
    .
    What?
    Are you not an anything but Trump guy? they had a name during the campaign - dump trump
    They refused to hear anything that came out of his mouth it was surreal.
    so I didn't refer to you as a dumpster :lol:
  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,489
    edited February 2017

    mfc2006 said:

    mfc2006 said:

    Kat said:

    I tried to think of a comment for posting this link but I'm left almost speechless.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-reporter-black-caucus_us_58a5fe71e4b037d17d25f1cb?unbcupe55q93323xr&

    yeah, I've got nothing either. just wow.
    What is wrong with this?
    President Trump offered a direct ear to the black caucus.
    This pandemonium is getting weird over every single thing he says. People are going to drive themselves nuts - it's been three weeks people.
    So is it his fault he doesn't know any members? So what?
    Do you two know any members? Are you two in a position to bring the black caucus to the President for a meeting.
    This is insanity.
    There was nothing wrong with the President offering this - he would follow through on the meet.
    The dump trumpsters are spinning and it's painful to watch now.
    I think my initial reaction was partially due to the shitty press conference that he had just given. Now that I have had some time to do a little reading & research, my only problem with it is that he should have already set up that meeting, whether he knows someone in that caucus or not is beside the point. What makes him think that she knew someone? I can definitely see why it would ruffle some feathers, though.

    And, for the record....
    Thanks for referring to me as a dumpster. I truly appreciate that
    .
    What?
    Are you not an anything but Trump guy? they had a name during the campaign - dump trump
    They refused to hear anything that came out of his mouth it was surreal.
    so I didn't refer to you as a dumpster :lol:
    Let me remind you who I am....
    http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/262913/yo#latest

    Remember that? I didn't start coming to this sub-forum until just after the election was over.

    If memory serves, we didn't get along then & we probably won't now.

    The bottom line is arguing with you isn't worth my time.

    And....here's the "edit"....

    I've listened to pretty much everything that has come out of his mouth. Why, you ask? I want to be informed. It is my belief that he is not fit to be president. Not only is he unfit, he's a disgrace to our country. Like I said in the thread referenced above, that is my opinion & I am entitled to it. I am not here to troll anyone, unlike some people.

    Are you not an anything but Trump guy?
    No, I am not. I did my homework prior to voting & it was clear as fucking day that I would not vote for him. But, I did my homework. I gave him as much of a shot as anyone else.

    They refused to hear anything that came out of his mouth it was surreal.
    Sure, some people did. I did not. I listened to pretty much everything he had to say & disagreed with most (if not all) of it, but I still listened.

    so I didn't refer to you as a dumpster.
    Cool. Thanks for clearing that up. Maybe I just assumed that you were using the same snarky tone with me that you did in the thread referenced above. If I was wrong, I apologize.


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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited February 2017
    ^^^
    My point stands. I did not refer to you as a dumpster.
    That is false.
    I'm done too.
  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,489

    ^^^
    My point stands. I did not refer to you as a dumpster.
    That is false.
    I'm done too.

    Fantastic...and if you read my edited comments (where I left all original text in place), you will see that I addressed that.
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  • Go Beavers
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    tbergs said:

    RYME said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    BS44325 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    It is so crazy how he thinks he doesn't come of as a complete idiot at all his press conferences, lol, and keeps doing it. He isn't learning any lessons at all. It's pretty delusional.

    This is where it's amazing how two people can watch the same thing and come to a completely different conclusion. I thought it was a masterful performance. And I do mean "performance".
    Why do you think him acting like a bumbling, racist moron is a masterful performance? If you think he is acting like that on purpose to... what? Make everyone make fun of him? - and not even stringing full sentences together for the most part - then I don't even know what to say to you. Trump acts like that because that is who and what he is, not because he's putting on an act in an attempt to.... make everyone think he's a fucking idiot? Or am I completely misinterpreting your post??
    At what point in time has Donald Trump been racist?
    What did he say today that would be considered offensive to any race?
    If anyone out here that is of a different race than Donald Trump, I'd be interested to know what offended you.
    Please don't blast me for asking.
    Anyway that's what many of us like, is the bumbling,nonscriped off the cuff talking. He may not be the smoothest speaker, I'll give you that, but he didn't need a teleprompter either.
    When he says the same thing twice which he does all the time, that is a mental pause while he is deciding what to say next.
    Some people just say (huhhh, uhhhhh uuuum)
    then continue.
    We covered trump being a racist months ago in here. Everyone agreed, like we often do, and moved on.
    How about you actually give him a real response. You may not agree, but his question was about today. The accountability to supporting statements goes both ways.
    I think his question covered any time. Here goes: trump denies renting to minorities in the past. Said he doesn't want blacks handing his money, and that laziness is a trait in blacks. Built a presidential platform based on prejudice of Mexicans and Muslims. But I'm sure that now he's hired Frederick Douglass as an advisor, things will improve.
  • The congressional black caucus sent Trump a letter requesting a meeting 3 weeks ago. They never received a response. A "well run," "brilliant," or "astute" management team would have spoken to Trump about it and replied in kind. A true leader would have scheduled a meeting and listened to their concerns. A racist? Not so much.
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  • my2hands
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    Im concerned only cookoo's and cronies will be willing to work for this administration for 4 years

    I do not feel like we have America's best and brightest running things right now
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Speaking of dumpsters.....let's light it up.


  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904

    RYME said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    BS44325 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    It is so crazy how he thinks he doesn't come of as a complete idiot at all his press conferences, lol, and keeps doing it. He isn't learning any lessons at all. It's pretty delusional.

    This is where it's amazing how two people can watch the same thing and come to a completely different conclusion. I thought it was a masterful performance. And I do mean "performance".
    Why do you think him acting like a bumbling, racist moron is a masterful performance? If you think he is acting like that on purpose to... what? Make everyone make fun of him? - and not even stringing full sentences together for the most part - then I don't even know what to say to you. Trump acts like that because that is who and what he is, not because he's putting on an act in an attempt to.... make everyone think he's a fucking idiot? Or am I completely misinterpreting your post??
    At what point in time has Donald Trump been racist?
    What did he say today that would be considered offensive to any race?
    If anyone out here that is of a different race than Donald Trump, I'd be interested to know what offended you.
    Please don't blast me for asking.
    Anyway that's what many of us like, is the bumbling,nonscriped off the cuff talking. He may not be the smoothest speaker, I'll give you that, but he didn't need a teleprompter either.
    When he says the same thing twice which he does all the time, that is a mental pause while he is deciding what to say next.
    Some people just say (huhhh, uhhhhh uuuum)
    then continue.
    We covered trump being a racist months ago in here. Everyone agreed, like we often do, and moved on.
    Alright I'm a relatively new poster, I've got like 200 posts, compared to most of you who have thousands. Maby I've posted 200 to many and should probably stay out of this place, probably not welcome here..
    So, but I missed it, I have a really good ear and am as anti racist as you can be. At what point has the Donald Trump been racist? What race of people can't stand him? Tell me who they are?
    (You had this discussion months ago & you
    ALL agree.)
    No snark here, just respectfully curious.

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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    edited February 2017
    RYME said:

    RYME said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    BS44325 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    It is so crazy how he thinks he doesn't come of as a complete idiot at all his press conferences, lol, and keeps doing it. He isn't learning any lessons at all. It's pretty delusional.

    This is where it's amazing how two people can watch the same thing and come to a completely different conclusion. I thought it was a masterful performance. And I do mean "performance".
    Why do you think him acting like a bumbling, racist moron is a masterful performance? If you think he is acting like that on purpose to... what? Make everyone make fun of him? - and not even stringing full sentences together for the most part - then I don't even know what to say to you. Trump acts like that because that is who and what he is, not because he's putting on an act in an attempt to.... make everyone think he's a fucking idiot? Or am I completely misinterpreting your post??
    At what point in time has Donald Trump been racist?
    What did he say today that would be considered offensive to any race?
    If anyone out here that is of a different race than Donald Trump, I'd be interested to know what offended you.
    Please don't blast me for asking.
    Anyway that's what many of us like, is the bumbling,nonscriped off the cuff talking. He may not be the smoothest speaker, I'll give you that, but he didn't need a teleprompter either.
    When he says the same thing twice which he does all the time, that is a mental pause while he is deciding what to say next.
    Some people just say (huhhh, uhhhhh uuuum)
    then continue.
    We covered trump being a racist months ago in here. Everyone agreed, like we often do, and moved on.
    Alright I'm a relatively new poster, I've got like 200 posts, compared to most of you who have thousands. Maby I've posted 200 to many and should probably stay out of this place, probably not welcome here..
    So, but I missed it, I have a really good ear and am as anti racist as you can be. At what point has the Donald Trump been racist? What race of people can't stand him? Tell me who they are?
    (You had this discussion months ago & you
    ALL agree.)
    No snark here, just respectfully curious.

    Well there are two prime examples:

    1. His comments about Mexican being rapists and criminals ("and I assume maybe some that aren't) was certainly bordering on racism.
    2. The fact that he is anti-Islam is racist. No he's never said "I hate Muslims" but it's the discriminatory actions that make clear what he (and his puppet master Bannon) believe. Religious intolerance is no different than hating black or brown people.

    Edit - and that's without discussing some of the fair housing lawsuits that were levied against him.
    Post edited by mrussel1 on
  • RYME said:

    RYME said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    BS44325 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    It is so crazy how he thinks he doesn't come of as a complete idiot at all his press conferences, lol, and keeps doing it. He isn't learning any lessons at all. It's pretty delusional.

    This is where it's amazing how two people can watch the same thing and come to a completely different conclusion. I thought it was a masterful performance. And I do mean "performance".
    Why do you think him acting like a bumbling, racist moron is a masterful performance? If you think he is acting like that on purpose to... what? Make everyone make fun of him? - and not even stringing full sentences together for the most part - then I don't even know what to say to you. Trump acts like that because that is who and what he is, not because he's putting on an act in an attempt to.... make everyone think he's a fucking idiot? Or am I completely misinterpreting your post??
    At what point in time has Donald Trump been racist?
    What did he say today that would be considered offensive to any race?
    If anyone out here that is of a different race than Donald Trump, I'd be interested to know what offended you.
    Please don't blast me for asking.
    Anyway that's what many of us like, is the bumbling,nonscriped off the cuff talking. He may not be the smoothest speaker, I'll give you that, but he didn't need a teleprompter either.
    When he says the same thing twice which he does all the time, that is a mental pause while he is deciding what to say next.
    Some people just say (huhhh, uhhhhh uuuum)
    then continue.
    We covered trump being a racist months ago in here. Everyone agreed, like we often do, and moved on.
    Alright I'm a relatively new poster, I've got like 200 posts, compared to most of you who have thousands. Maby I've posted 200 to many and should probably stay out of this place, probably not welcome here..
    So, but I missed it, I have a really good ear and am as anti racist as you can be. At what point has the Donald Trump been racist? What race of people can't stand him? Tell me who they are?
    (You had this discussion months ago & you
    ALL agree.)
    No snark here, just respectfully curious.

    Hey man, honestly, stick around. This place needs people challenging those of us who don't care for the President. Two way conversation is the only way to make progress in politics.

    I do believe that Trump ran a racist campaign. I don't know if I believe that Trump the man is a racist, but Trump the candidate and the President plays on fears of other races. When he says Mexicans are sending criminals and rapists, the logic of that is to play on the public's fear of losing their country to Mexicans. When you say that a religion is at war with us and that you're proposing restricting access to people of a certain religion from certain areas...that's racist. When you actually make a preference in refugees coming from one religion over another, it's racist.

    So there's that. Stick around here though, man. We'll do battle plenty I'm sure but if we ever met at a show- who gives a shit about A Moving Train?
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,541
    RYME said:

    RYME said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    BS44325 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    It is so crazy how he thinks he doesn't come of as a complete idiot at all his press conferences, lol, and keeps doing it. He isn't learning any lessons at all. It's pretty delusional.

    This is where it's amazing how two people can watch the same thing and come to a completely different conclusion. I thought it was a masterful performance. And I do mean "performance".
    Why do you think him acting like a bumbling, racist moron is a masterful performance? If you think he is acting like that on purpose to... what? Make everyone make fun of him? - and not even stringing full sentences together for the most part - then I don't even know what to say to you. Trump acts like that because that is who and what he is, not because he's putting on an act in an attempt to.... make everyone think he's a fucking idiot? Or am I completely misinterpreting your post??
    At what point in time has Donald Trump been racist?
    What did he say today that would be considered offensive to any race?
    If anyone out here that is of a different race than Donald Trump, I'd be interested to know what offended you.
    Please don't blast me for asking.
    Anyway that's what many of us like, is the bumbling,nonscriped off the cuff talking. He may not be the smoothest speaker, I'll give you that, but he didn't need a teleprompter either.
    When he says the same thing twice which he does all the time, that is a mental pause while he is deciding what to say next.
    Some people just say (huhhh, uhhhhh uuuum)
    then continue.
    We covered trump being a racist months ago in here. Everyone agreed, like we often do, and moved on.
    Alright I'm a relatively new poster, I've got like 200 posts, compared to most of you who have thousands. Maby I've posted 200 to many and should probably stay out of this place, probably not welcome here..
    So, but I missed it, I have a really good ear and am as anti racist as you can be. At what point has the Donald Trump been racist? What race of people can't stand him? Tell me who they are?
    (You had this discussion months ago & you
    ALL agree.)
    No snark here, just respectfully curious.

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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,541
    Leaks are real >>>news is fake lol go ahead tell me he's not nuts !!!
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,538
    When even Shep's had it with trump, you know it's not good.
  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,489

    When even Shep's had it with trump, you know it's not good.

    Very true.
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