Soon it will just be you and Maxine Waters pushing your "facts". Just like a prayer you'll try to take us there.
Love how you totally dismiss the opposing view and that the "raw intelligence " is just now being analyzed. I'll tell you what BS, for the sake of my country, I hope there's no "there" there. But I truly believe that's not the case. All the shit we know thus far, all thats happened in these first 48 days ain't adding up to a bouquet of roses. If there is collusion to be found, will you admit he should be impeached?
The shit we know thus far is all hype. That is your shit. Maybe if you didn't shit so much you would be able to smell the odd rose. In terms of the "raw intelligence" it has already been analyzed by the professionals and nothing has been found. Senators are being given the courtesy of seeing it just to dispel any lingering myths. That's all that this is right now...myths and ifs and I shall admit to the need for impeachment on neither.
Wow, did Rushbo take over your body. There's that seething conservative hate. Nice.
So you're going to tell me that the resignations, recusal, known meetings and contacts between the ilks are conservative/liberal, republican/democrat orthodoxy and everything is normal? Meanwhile, Russia has violated a major arms control treaty, worked with Syrian and Iranian forces in quashing rebels in Syria, annexed Crimea and had more favorable to Russia language inserted in the republican platform and you don't believe there's any shit there? When Trump is impeached, your theories will be shit. Maybe it's the skunk weed?
I can only imagine if this were Hillary or any democrat.
I guess you also know all the reams of data that has been collected and furthermore analyzed. Susan Collins will eventually ask the IRS to provide trump's tax returns. And by the way, you sound shrill. Triggered.
^^I'd agree that it's hype from both sides of the fence. It's either "We have something" or "That's nothing" & it won't all be resolved anytime soon, in my opinion. The chatter is unreal, though. It doesn't matter what side of the fence you're on, it's unreal & non stop.
As I've said before, let the experts in intelligence do their job(s). If they find no wrongdoing, I will accept that. And if they find evidence of wrongdoing, I will not gloat. This isn't about my/your opinion being right anymore, it's a larger issue than that. I think we can agree on that much at least. We are not privy to the conversations that occur behind closed doors & we (as the public) really have no idea where this all stands at this point.
That being said, I will still use my voice to speak out when something seems "off" & I fully expect you to do the same.
This has been the most rational response on the subject.
I appreciate that. In order to affect real change, you have to have a solid discussion. In that discussion, people will fight & get angry. I'm as guilty as anyone else when it comes to that, but I think those arguments can give you a better perspective on where the other person may be coming from.
I certainly don't agree with everything you say, BS & I know you don't agree with everything that I say. I just will try to do my best to not stoop down to a lower level and keep it respectful.
I just want to throw this out there, and I apologize in advance if I offend.
I agree that if Trump contacted people within Russia to hack the voting machines and change the results, there's a serious issue here. If, however, Trump or his cabinet have been reaching out to Russia to encourage them them to produce propaganda to sway the election by influencing citizens' opinions, is there truly anything wrong with this? Sure, this would be morally hard to swallow, but it wouldn't be illegal per se (nor would it be unprecedented amidst the litany of partially or entirely false news circulated online and on television). In addition, it begs a better question: just how dumb/gullible/manipulatable/unaccountable/mentally lazy are Americans that a flood of unsubstantiated and unverifiable allegations are spread, that sound incredibly farfetched (golden shower orgy with a billionaire and several Russian prostitutes, I'm looking at you), and people run - not walk - to insist that it is either true or false based on what constitutes confirmation bias, without even doing their due diligence on researching the source, or the source's source?
People have, do, and continue to do as much as they can get away with to seize as much power as they can. It's for this reason (and the paradoxical capitalist democracy) that I don't believe Trump will be an anomaly, but rather a new and typical kind of politician, unless America can seriously put a focus on thinking critically and independently. Unfortunately, I don't think it's going to be this administration that encourages this mindset, so it'll have to be a grassroots effort.
Am I crazy for thinking this?
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I just want to throw this out there, and I apologize in advance if I offend.
I agree that if Trump contacted people within Russia to hack the voting machines and change the results, there's a serious issue here. If, however, Trump or his cabinet have been reaching out to Russia to encourage them them to produce propaganda to sway the election by influencing citizens' opinions, is there truly anything wrong with this? Sure, this would be morally hard to swallow, but it wouldn't be illegal per se (nor would it be unprecedented amidst the litany of partially or entirely false news circulated online and on television). In addition, it begs a better question: just how dumb/gullible/manipulatable/unaccountable/mentally lazy are Americans that a flood of unsubstantiated and unverifiable allegations are spread, that sound incredibly farfetched (golden shower orgy with a billionaire and several Russian prostitutes, I'm looking at you), and people run - not walk - to insist that it is either true or false based on what constitutes confirmation bias, without even doing their due diligence on researching the source, or the source's source?
People have, do, and continue to do as much as they can get away with to seize as much power as they can. It's for this reason (and the paradoxical capitalist democracy) that I don't believe Trump will be an anomaly, but rather a new and typical kind of politician, unless America can seriously put a focus on thinking critically and independently. Unfortunately, I don't think it's going to be this administration that encourages this mindset, so it'll have to be a grassroots effort.
Am I crazy for thinking this?
You are not crazy and for the record the Obama administration did the same thing you are suggesting in the Israeli election. The state department provided funding to a group that worked to defeat Netanyahu. The legality of it is questionable however and I don't think any citizen would like their elections targeted in that matter. It sure didn't work in Israel and in fact it may have backfired.
I just want to throw this out there, and I apologize in advance if I offend.
I agree that if Trump contacted people within Russia to hack the voting machines and change the results, there's a serious issue here. If, however, Trump or his cabinet have been reaching out to Russia to encourage them them to produce propaganda to sway the election by influencing citizens' opinions, is there truly anything wrong with this? Sure, this would be morally hard to swallow, but it wouldn't be illegal per se (nor would it be unprecedented amidst the litany of partially or entirely false news circulated online and on television). In addition, it begs a better question: just how dumb/gullible/manipulatable/unaccountable/mentally lazy are Americans that a flood of unsubstantiated and unverifiable allegations are spread, that sound incredibly farfetched (golden shower orgy with a billionaire and several Russian prostitutes, I'm looking at you), and people run - not walk - to insist that it is either true or false based on what constitutes confirmation bias, without even doing their due diligence on researching the source, or the source's source?
People have, do, and continue to do as much as they can get away with to seize as much power as they can. It's for this reason (and the paradoxical capitalist democracy) that I don't believe Trump will be an anomaly, but rather a new and typical kind of politician, unless America can seriously put a focus on thinking critically and independently. Unfortunately, I don't think it's going to be this administration that encourages this mindset, so it'll have to be a grassroots effort.
Am I crazy for thinking this?
The allegation is not that Russia hacked voting machines. It's that 17 US intelligence agencies are in agreement that Russia hacked the email servers of Trump's opponent, Hillary and Podesta, and gave them to Wikileaks for release. The republican platform was modified to take a more pro-Russian stance July 18-21. Three days later, podesta's emails were released thus influencing the outcome of the election. The question is: who on the Trump csmpaign knew it and when did they know it, was there collusion, and were there any other agreements between the ilks? Why the lies, denials of facts, resignations and recusal if there's nothing there? Trump still won't release his tax returns, why? What is he hiding? If nothing, release them.
^^^ Benjs, You're not crazy. As long as your country has Hollywood stars mixing it up with politicians and televised you will have these results. Is Arnold smart for going at it with the POTUS or is the President Trump smarter for going after a fellow Republican moviestar? They both are in the headlines for the same reasons because of this - fandom and politics. People are sick of the finding the grassroot cause or "let's work on this from the grassroot". It doesn't work. For now your country has a reality TV show for the rest of the world to watch if they choose. If the ratings fall during this tenure your current President will say something to change that immediately.
I just want to throw this out there, and I apologize in advance if I offend.
I agree that if Trump contacted people within Russia to hack the voting machines and change the results, there's a serious issue here. If, however, Trump or his cabinet have been reaching out to Russia to encourage them them to produce propaganda to sway the election by influencing citizens' opinions, is there truly anything wrong with this? Sure, this would be morally hard to swallow, but it wouldn't be illegal per se (nor would it be unprecedented amidst the litany of partially or entirely false news circulated online and on television). In addition, it begs a better question: just how dumb/gullible/manipulatable/unaccountable/mentally lazy are Americans that a flood of unsubstantiated and unverifiable allegations are spread, that sound incredibly farfetched (golden shower orgy with a billionaire and several Russian prostitutes, I'm looking at you), and people run - not walk - to insist that it is either true or false based on what constitutes confirmation bias, without even doing their due diligence on researching the source, or the source's source?
People have, do, and continue to do as much as they can get away with to seize as much power as they can. It's for this reason (and the paradoxical capitalist democracy) that I don't believe Trump will be an anomaly, but rather a new and typical kind of politician, unless America can seriously put a focus on thinking critically and independently. Unfortunately, I don't think it's going to be this administration that encourages this mindset, so it'll have to be a grassroots effort.
Am I crazy for thinking this?
The allegation is not that Russia hacked voting machines. It's that 17 US intelligence agencies are in agreement that Russia hacked the email servers of Trump's opponent, Hillary and Podesta, and gave them to Wikileaks for release. The republican platform was modified to take a more pro-Russian stance July 18-21. Three days later, podesta's emails were released thus influencing the outcome of the election. The question is: who on the Trump csmpaign knew it and when did they know it, was there collusion, and were there any other agreements between the ilks? Why the lies, denials of facts, resignations and recusal if there's nothing there? Trump still won't release his tax returns, why? What is he hiding? If nothing, release them.
Russia hacked Hillary's server? That's news...the official line is that while her private server had minimal security and was likely hacked there is no evidence of that. Her 30000 missing emails werE not released bu Wikileaks. The DNC was hacked and Podesta fell victim to a phishing scam. The FBI wasn't given access to the DNC server though post-hacking. The dems hired their own private company and passed on the report to the agencies. These agencies concluded that Russia did the hacking and are probably correct but the Vault 7 CIA dump shows that there is now technology that can essentially leave the fingerprints of any foreign country. What does this mean? It means that even though the hacks and phishing scam were quite likely perpetrated by Russia no longer can anybody claim this as a certainty. The questions you ask are meaningless. As per Rolling Stone it is overhyped nonsense. The tax returns are the new birth certificate. You are becoming Birther Trump which is my least favourite Trump.
^^^ Benjs, You're not crazy. As long as your country has Hollywood stars mixing it up with politicians and televised you will have these results. Is Arnold smart for going at it with the POTUS or is the President Trump smarter for going after a fellow Republican moviestar? They both are in the headlines for the same reasons because of this - fandom and politics. People are sick of the finding the grassroot cause or "let's work on this from the grassroot". It doesn't work. For now your country has a reality TV show for the rest of the world to watch if they choose. If the ratings fall during this tenure your current President will say something to change that immediately.
^^^ Benjs, You're not crazy. As long as your country has Hollywood stars mixing it up with politicians and televised you will have these results. Is Arnold smart for going at it with the POTUS or is the President Trump smarter for going after a fellow Republican moviestar? They both are in the headlines for the same reasons because of this - fandom and politics. People are sick of the finding the grassroot cause or "let's work on this from the grassroot". It doesn't work. For now your country has a reality TV show for the rest of the world to watch if they choose. If the ratings fall during this tenure your current President will say something to change that immediately.
^^^ Benjs, You're not crazy. As long as your country has Hollywood stars mixing it up with politicians and televised you will have these results. Is Arnold smart for going at it with the POTUS or is the President Trump smarter for going after a fellow Republican moviestar? They both are in the headlines for the same reasons because of this - fandom and politics. People are sick of the finding the grassroot cause or "let's work on this from the grassroot". It doesn't work. For now your country has a reality TV show for the rest of the world to watch if they choose. If the ratings fall during this tenure your current President will say something to change that immediately.
I just want to throw this out there, and I apologize in advance if I offend.
I agree that if Trump contacted people within Russia to hack the voting machines and change the results, there's a serious issue here. If, however, Trump or his cabinet have been reaching out to Russia to encourage them them to produce propaganda to sway the election by influencing citizens' opinions, is there truly anything wrong with this? Sure, this would be morally hard to swallow, but it wouldn't be illegal per se (nor would it be unprecedented amidst the litany of partially or entirely false news circulated online and on television). In addition, it begs a better question: just how dumb/gullible/manipulatable/unaccountable/mentally lazy are Americans that a flood of unsubstantiated and unverifiable allegations are spread, that sound incredibly farfetched (golden shower orgy with a billionaire and several Russian prostitutes, I'm looking at you), and people run - not walk - to insist that it is either true or false based on what constitutes confirmation bias, without even doing their due diligence on researching the source, or the source's source?
People have, do, and continue to do as much as they can get away with to seize as much power as they can. It's for this reason (and the paradoxical capitalist democracy) that I don't believe Trump will be an anomaly, but rather a new and typical kind of politician, unless America can seriously put a focus on thinking critically and independently. Unfortunately, I don't think it's going to be this administration that encourages this mindset, so it'll have to be a grassroots effort.
Am I crazy for thinking this?
The allegation is not that Russia hacked voting machines. It's that 17 US intelligence agencies are in agreement that Russia hacked the email servers of Trump's opponent, Hillary and Podesta, and gave them to Wikileaks for release. The republican platform was modified to take a more pro-Russian stance July 18-21. Three days later, podesta's emails were released thus influencing the outcome of the election. The question is: who on the Trump csmpaign knew it and when did they know it, was there collusion, and were there any other agreements between the ilks? Why the lies, denials of facts, resignations and recusal if there's nothing there? Trump still won't release his tax returns, why? What is he hiding? If nothing, release them.
Russia hacked Hillary's server? That's news...the official line is that while her private server had minimal security and was likely hacked there is no evidence of that. Her 30000 missing emails werE not released bu Wikileaks. The DNC was hacked and Podesta fell victim to a phishing scam. The FBI wasn't given access to the DNC server though post-hacking. The dems hired their own private company and passed on the report to the agencies. These agencies concluded that Russia did the hacking and are probably correct but the Vault 7 CIA dump shows that there is now technology that can essentially leave the fingerprints of any foreign country. What does this mean? It means that even though the hacks and phishing scam were quite likely perpetrated by Russia no longer can anybody claim this as a certainty. The questions you ask are meaningless. As per Rolling Stone it is overhyped nonsense. The tax returns are the new birth certificate. You are becoming Birther Trump which is my least favourite Trump.
Ummm, sure professor. There's nothing to see. Absolutely clean as a whistle. Just keep making shit up again. Tell me, was it a certainty that Obama tapped trump's tower? Spin baby spin.
I just want to throw this out there, and I apologize in advance if I offend.
I agree that if Trump contacted people within Russia to hack the voting machines and change the results, there's a serious issue here. If, however, Trump or his cabinet have been reaching out to Russia to encourage them them to produce propaganda to sway the election by influencing citizens' opinions, is there truly anything wrong with this? Sure, this would be morally hard to swallow, but it wouldn't be illegal per se (nor would it be unprecedented amidst the litany of partially or entirely false news circulated online and on television). In addition, it begs a better question: just how dumb/gullible/manipulatable/unaccountable/mentally lazy are Americans that a flood of unsubstantiated and unverifiable allegations are spread, that sound incredibly farfetched (golden shower orgy with a billionaire and several Russian prostitutes, I'm looking at you), and people run - not walk - to insist that it is either true or false based on what constitutes confirmation bias, without even doing their due diligence on researching the source, or the source's source?
People have, do, and continue to do as much as they can get away with to seize as much power as they can. It's for this reason (and the paradoxical capitalist democracy) that I don't believe Trump will be an anomaly, but rather a new and typical kind of politician, unless America can seriously put a focus on thinking critically and independently. Unfortunately, I don't think it's going to be this administration that encourages this mindset, so it'll have to be a grassroots effort.
Am I crazy for thinking this?
The allegation is not that Russia hacked voting machines. It's that 17 US intelligence agencies are in agreement that Russia hacked the email servers of Trump's opponent, Hillary and Podesta, and gave them to Wikileaks for release. The republican platform was modified to take a more pro-Russian stance July 18-21. Three days later, podesta's emails were released thus influencing the outcome of the election. The question is: who on the Trump csmpaign knew it and when did they know it, was there collusion, and were there any other agreements between the ilks? Why the lies, denials of facts, resignations and recusal if there's nothing there? Trump still won't release his tax returns, why? What is he hiding? If nothing, release them.
Russia hacked Hillary's server? That's news...the official line is that while her private server had minimal security and was likely hacked there is no evidence of that. Her 30000 missing emails werE not released bu Wikileaks. The DNC was hacked and Podesta fell victim to a phishing scam. The FBI wasn't given access to the DNC server though post-hacking. The dems hired their own private company and passed on the report to the agencies. These agencies concluded that Russia did the hacking and are probably correct but the Vault 7 CIA dump shows that there is now technology that can essentially leave the fingerprints of any foreign country. What does this mean? It means that even though the hacks and phishing scam were quite likely perpetrated by Russia no longer can anybody claim this as a certainty. The questions you ask are meaningless. As per Rolling Stone it is overhyped nonsense. The tax returns are the new birth certificate. You are becoming Birther Trump which is my least favourite Trump.
Ummm, sure professor. There's nothing to see. Absolutely clean as a whistle. Just keep making shit up again. Tell me, was it a certainty that Obama tapped trump's tower? Spin baby spin.
I hope the investigation starts digging into the Podesta Group now that the Trump/Russia angle appears to be done.
Why would Russia hire Tony Podesta to lobby for the removal of sanctions and then hack John? Add this to a shadily approved Uranium deal and we begin approaching "collusion" territory. Where there is smoke there must be fire right? Somebody get Halifax2TheMaxineWaters the raw intelligence!
You're correct. SOME Canadians on AMT seem to become American expert thinkings instead of inserting their own thoughts.
Benjs is not who comes to mind when I read that though.
Agreed.
Sorry to get off thread topic for a second. But Benjs (with all due respect) has been all but absent on the Canadian Redux thread. I wonder what Benjs opine would be in that thread about our PMs wife and her speech about recognizing the men in womens lives during IWD yesterday.
^^^ I don't recall him being Canadian as the banter has gone on over time. All I know is that some focus far too much on American politics than Canadian. If there was as much passion on AMT from the Canadians to discuss govt policy in Canada as there is for President Trump it would be a breath of fresh air. So, Benjs, bump the Canadian redux thread and state your opinion about the statement from our PMs wife about IWD.
I just want to throw this out there, and I apologize in advance if I offend.
I agree that if Trump contacted people within Russia to hack the voting machines and change the results, there's a serious issue here. If, however, Trump or his cabinet have been reaching out to Russia to encourage them them to produce propaganda to sway the election by influencing citizens' opinions, is there truly anything wrong with this? Sure, this would be morally hard to swallow, but it wouldn't be illegal per se (nor would it be unprecedented amidst the litany of partially or entirely false news circulated online and on television). In addition, it begs a better question: just how dumb/gullible/manipulatable/unaccountable/mentally lazy are Americans that a flood of unsubstantiated and unverifiable allegations are spread, that sound incredibly farfetched (golden shower orgy with a billionaire and several Russian prostitutes, I'm looking at you), and people run - not walk - to insist that it is either true or false based on what constitutes confirmation bias, without even doing their due diligence on researching the source, or the source's source?
People have, do, and continue to do as much as they can get away with to seize as much power as they can. It's for this reason (and the paradoxical capitalist democracy) that I don't believe Trump will be an anomaly, but rather a new and typical kind of politician, unless America can seriously put a focus on thinking critically and independently. Unfortunately, I don't think it's going to be this administration that encourages this mindset, so it'll have to be a grassroots effort.
Am I crazy for thinking this?
The allegation is not that Russia hacked voting machines. It's that 17 US intelligence agencies are in agreement that Russia hacked the email servers of Trump's opponent, Hillary and Podesta, and gave them to Wikileaks for release. The republican platform was modified to take a more pro-Russian stance July 18-21. Three days later, podesta's emails were released thus influencing the outcome of the election. The question is: who on the Trump csmpaign knew it and when did they know it, was there collusion, and were there any other agreements between the ilks? Why the lies, denials of facts, resignations and recusal if there's nothing there? Trump still won't release his tax returns, why? What is he hiding? If nothing, release them.
Russia hacked Hillary's server? That's news...the official line is that while her private server had minimal security and was likely hacked there is no evidence of that. Her 30000 missing emails werE not released bu Wikileaks. The DNC was hacked and Podesta fell victim to a phishing scam. The FBI wasn't given access to the DNC server though post-hacking. The dems hired their own private company and passed on the report to the agencies. These agencies concluded that Russia did the hacking and are probably correct but the Vault 7 CIA dump shows that there is now technology that can essentially leave the fingerprints of any foreign country. What does this mean? It means that even though the hacks and phishing scam were quite likely perpetrated by Russia no longer can anybody claim this as a certainty. The questions you ask are meaningless. As per Rolling Stone it is overhyped nonsense. The tax returns are the new birth certificate. You are becoming Birther Trump which is my least favourite Trump.
Ummm, sure professor. There's nothing to see. Absolutely clean as a whistle. Just keep making shit up again. Tell me, was it a certainty that Obama tapped trump's tower? Spin baby spin.
I hope the investigation starts digging into the Podesta Group now that the Trump/Russia angle appears to be done.
Why would Russia hire Tony Podesta to lobby for the removal of sanctions and then hack John? Add this to a shadily approved Uranium deal and we begin approaching "collusion" territory. Where there is smoke there must be fire right? Somebody get Halifax2TheMaxineWaters the raw intelligence!
Tass? Really? What's next? Stalin's Comrade? Or something from Goebbles? That seems more likely seeing its Trump we're talking about. I have to admit I laughed out loud at the Maxine references. I met with her once. She'll be way more of a politico in the corridors of power than you or I will ever be behind our keyboards. Something tells me that she'll have the last laugh. Care to dispute Susan Collins stating we might need to request Trump's tax returns? Distract and deflect.
I just want to throw this out there, and I apologize in advance if I offend.
I agree that if Trump contacted people within Russia to hack the voting machines and change the results, there's a serious issue here. If, however, Trump or his cabinet have been reaching out to Russia to encourage them them to produce propaganda to sway the election by influencing citizens' opinions, is there truly anything wrong with this? Sure, this would be morally hard to swallow, but it wouldn't be illegal per se (nor would it be unprecedented amidst the litany of partially or entirely false news circulated online and on television). In addition, it begs a better question: just how dumb/gullible/manipulatable/unaccountable/mentally lazy are Americans that a flood of unsubstantiated and unverifiable allegations are spread, that sound incredibly farfetched (golden shower orgy with a billionaire and several Russian prostitutes, I'm looking at you), and people run - not walk - to insist that it is either true or false based on what constitutes confirmation bias, without even doing their due diligence on researching the source, or the source's source?
People have, do, and continue to do as much as they can get away with to seize as much power as they can. It's for this reason (and the paradoxical capitalist democracy) that I don't believe Trump will be an anomaly, but rather a new and typical kind of politician, unless America can seriously put a focus on thinking critically and independently. Unfortunately, I don't think it's going to be this administration that encourages this mindset, so it'll have to be a grassroots effort.
Am I crazy for thinking this?
The allegation is not that Russia hacked voting machines. It's that 17 US intelligence agencies are in agreement that Russia hacked the email servers of Trump's opponent, Hillary and Podesta, and gave them to Wikileaks for release. The republican platform was modified to take a more pro-Russian stance July 18-21. Three days later, podesta's emails were released thus influencing the outcome of the election. The question is: who on the Trump csmpaign knew it and when did they know it, was there collusion, and were there any other agreements between the ilks? Why the lies, denials of facts, resignations and recusal if there's nothing there? Trump still won't release his tax returns, why? What is he hiding? If nothing, release them.
Russia hacked Hillary's server? That's news...the official line is that while her private server had minimal security and was likely hacked there is no evidence of that. Her 30000 missing emails werE not released bu Wikileaks. The DNC was hacked and Podesta fell victim to a phishing scam. The FBI wasn't given access to the DNC server though post-hacking. The dems hired their own private company and passed on the report to the agencies. These agencies concluded that Russia did the hacking and are probably correct but the Vault 7 CIA dump shows that there is now technology that can essentially leave the fingerprints of any foreign country. What does this mean? It means that even though the hacks and phishing scam were quite likely perpetrated by Russia no longer can anybody claim this as a certainty. The questions you ask are meaningless. As per Rolling Stone it is overhyped nonsense. The tax returns are the new birth certificate. You are becoming Birther Trump which is my least favourite Trump.
Ummm, sure professor. There's nothing to see. Absolutely clean as a whistle. Just keep making shit up again. Tell me, was it a certainty that Obama tapped trump's tower? Spin baby spin.
I hope the investigation starts digging into the Podesta Group now that the Trump/Russia angle appears to be done.
Why would Russia hire Tony Podesta to lobby for the removal of sanctions and then hack John? Add this to a shadily approved Uranium deal and we begin approaching "collusion" territory. Where there is smoke there must be fire right? Somebody get Halifax2TheMaxineWaters the raw intelligence!
Tass? Really? What's next? Stalin's Comrade? Or something from Goebbles? That seems more likely seeing its Trump we're talking about. I have to admit I laughed out loud at the Maxine references. I met with her once. She'll be way more of a politico in the corridors of power than you or I will ever be behind our keyboards. Something tells me that she'll have the last laugh. Care to dispute Susan Collins stating we might need to request Trump's tax returns? Distract and deflect.
I just want to throw this out there, and I apologize in advance if I offend.
I agree that if Trump contacted people within Russia to hack the voting machines and change the results, there's a serious issue here. If, however, Trump or his cabinet have been reaching out to Russia to encourage them them to produce propaganda to sway the election by influencing citizens' opinions, is there truly anything wrong with this? Sure, this would be morally hard to swallow, but it wouldn't be illegal per se (nor would it be unprecedented amidst the litany of partially or entirely false news circulated online and on television). In addition, it begs a better question: just how dumb/gullible/manipulatable/unaccountable/mentally lazy are Americans that a flood of unsubstantiated and unverifiable allegations are spread, that sound incredibly farfetched (golden shower orgy with a billionaire and several Russian prostitutes, I'm looking at you), and people run - not walk - to insist that it is either true or false based on what constitutes confirmation bias, without even doing their due diligence on researching the source, or the source's source?
People have, do, and continue to do as much as they can get away with to seize as much power as they can. It's for this reason (and the paradoxical capitalist democracy) that I don't believe Trump will be an anomaly, but rather a new and typical kind of politician, unless America can seriously put a focus on thinking critically and independently. Unfortunately, I don't think it's going to be this administration that encourages this mindset, so it'll have to be a grassroots effort.
Am I crazy for thinking this?
The allegation is not that Russia hacked voting machines. It's that 17 US intelligence agencies are in agreement that Russia hacked the email servers of Trump's opponent, Hillary and Podesta, and gave them to Wikileaks for release. The republican platform was modified to take a more pro-Russian stance July 18-21. Three days later, podesta's emails were released thus influencing the outcome of the election. The question is: who on the Trump csmpaign knew it and when did they know it, was there collusion, and were there any other agreements between the ilks? Why the lies, denials of facts, resignations and recusal if there's nothing there? Trump still won't release his tax returns, why? What is he hiding? If nothing, release them.
Russia hacked Hillary's server? That's news...the official line is that while her private server had minimal security and was likely hacked there is no evidence of that. Her 30000 missing emails werE not released bu Wikileaks. The DNC was hacked and Podesta fell victim to a phishing scam. The FBI wasn't given access to the DNC server though post-hacking. The dems hired their own private company and passed on the report to the agencies. These agencies concluded that Russia did the hacking and are probably correct but the Vault 7 CIA dump shows that there is now technology that can essentially leave the fingerprints of any foreign country. What does this mean? It means that even though the hacks and phishing scam were quite likely perpetrated by Russia no longer can anybody claim this as a certainty. The questions you ask are meaningless. As per Rolling Stone it is overhyped nonsense. The tax returns are the new birth certificate. You are becoming Birther Trump which is my least favourite Trump.
Ummm, sure professor. There's nothing to see. Absolutely clean as a whistle. Just keep making shit up again. Tell me, was it a certainty that Obama tapped trump's tower? Spin baby spin.
I hope the investigation starts digging into the Podesta Group now that the Trump/Russia angle appears to be done.
Why would Russia hire Tony Podesta to lobby for the removal of sanctions and then hack John? Add this to a shadily approved Uranium deal and we begin approaching "collusion" territory. Where there is smoke there must be fire right? Somebody get Halifax2TheMaxineWaters the raw intelligence!
Because he did a shitty job and like all lobbyists, money is money. Jeez, that was hard.
What was that about never again will we read in the New York Times the Russia Trump connection because if I close my eyes and ball my fists and stomp my feet, it's all going to go away?
Seriously, BS? GF? Unsung? PJF? How do you guys/gals defend this? How do you let it pass? Fake news? Partisan sniping? Just give him a chance? Trump is becoming untenable. He's not long for the office. Slow, slow burn then BOOM!
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So you're going to tell me that the resignations, recusal, known meetings and contacts between the ilks are conservative/liberal, republican/democrat orthodoxy and everything is normal? Meanwhile, Russia has violated a major arms control treaty, worked with Syrian and Iranian forces in quashing rebels in Syria, annexed Crimea and had more favorable to Russia language inserted in the republican platform and you don't believe there's any shit there? When Trump is impeached, your theories will be shit. Maybe it's the skunk weed?
I can only imagine if this were Hillary or any democrat.
I guess you also know all the reams of data that has been collected and furthermore analyzed. Susan Collins will eventually ask the IRS to provide trump's tax returns. And by the way, you sound shrill. Triggered.
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I certainly don't agree with everything you say, BS & I know you don't agree with everything that I say. I just will try to do my best to not stoop down to a lower level and keep it respectful.
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I agree that if Trump contacted people within Russia to hack the voting machines and change the results, there's a serious issue here. If, however, Trump or his cabinet have been reaching out to Russia to encourage them them to produce propaganda to sway the election by influencing citizens' opinions, is there truly anything wrong with this? Sure, this would be morally hard to swallow, but it wouldn't be illegal per se (nor would it be unprecedented amidst the litany of partially or entirely false news circulated online and on television). In addition, it begs a better question: just how dumb/gullible/manipulatable/unaccountable/mentally lazy are Americans that a flood of unsubstantiated and unverifiable allegations are spread, that sound incredibly farfetched (golden shower orgy with a billionaire and several Russian prostitutes, I'm looking at you), and people run - not walk - to insist that it is either true or false based on what constitutes confirmation bias, without even doing their due diligence on researching the source, or the source's source?
People have, do, and continue to do as much as they can get away with to seize as much power as they can. It's for this reason (and the paradoxical capitalist democracy) that I don't believe Trump will be an anomaly, but rather a new and typical kind of politician, unless America can seriously put a focus on thinking critically and independently. Unfortunately, I don't think it's going to be this administration that encourages this mindset, so it'll have to be a grassroots effort.
Am I crazy for thinking this?
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Benjs,
You're not crazy. As long as your country has Hollywood stars mixing it up with politicians and televised you will have these results.
Is Arnold smart for going at it with the POTUS or is the President Trump smarter for going after a fellow Republican moviestar?
They both are in the headlines for the same reasons because of this - fandom and politics.
People are sick of the finding the grassroot cause or "let's work on this from the grassroot". It doesn't work.
For now your country has a reality TV show for the rest of the world to watch if they choose.
If the ratings fall during this tenure your current President will say something to change that immediately.
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As to back up my previous claim - (god Falloon is not funny) about politics and Hollywood
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/entertainment/tv/nbc-is-reportedly-pressuring-jimmy-fallon-to-get-more-political/ar-AAo4MY5?li=AA59yo&ocid=spartandhp
Benjs is not who comes to mind when I read that though.
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http://tass.com/economy/934699
Why would Russia hire Tony Podesta to lobby for the removal of sanctions and then hack John? Add this to a shadily approved Uranium deal and we begin approaching "collusion" territory. Where there is smoke there must be fire right? Somebody get Halifax2TheMaxineWaters the raw intelligence!
But Benjs (with all due respect) has been all but absent on the Canadian Redux thread.
I wonder what Benjs opine would be in that thread about our PMs wife and her speech about recognizing the men in womens lives during IWD yesterday.
Back to 45....
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But if I knew he was Canadian, that says something because I haven't been in the AMT for very long. Just saying...
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I don't recall him being Canadian as the banter has gone on over time.
All I know is that some focus far too much on American politics than Canadian.
If there was as much passion on AMT from the Canadians to discuss govt policy in Canada as there is for President Trump it would be a breath of fresh air.
So, Benjs, bump the Canadian redux thread and state your opinion about the statement from our PMs wife about IWD.
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http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/legal-challenges-to-trumps-travel-ban-mount-from-us-states/ar-AAo4X0I?li=AAadgLE&ocid=spartandhp
http://www.npr.org/2017/03/08/519282246/to-boost-trump-wiretap-claims-white-house-leans-on-unlikely-source
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/09/us/politics/justice-dept-declines-to-back-claim-trump-is-not-under-investigation.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
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Disgraced Trump adviser Mike Flynn admits he worked as a “foreign agent” for the Turkish government - Vox
https://apple.news/A1ytFWpraQOG4GjdrvpHaYw
Follow the fucking money, from Russia with love, all the way to Trump's impeachment.
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/09/opinions/working-for-trump-reputation-risk-dantonio/index.html
Seriously, BS? GF? Unsung? PJF? How do you guys/gals defend this? How do you let it pass? Fake news? Partisan sniping? Just give him a chance? Trump is becoming untenable. He's not long for the office. Slow, slow burn then BOOM!
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To be impeached.
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