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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,050
    I can do "whataboutism" with TRUTH all day long.
    The House and Senate D's should be asking flippable R's the same questions, instead of being DISTRACTED by LIES.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 37,019
    All Quiet on the Twitter Front? Did the Donald check into rehab?
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,050
    he just let out a barrage.
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,050
    SIX new bullshit claims to keep the news cycle busy today...they will juggle his talking points and another day goes by.

    Why is the impeachment taking so long?
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    BS44325 said:

    Tiki said:

    Is flat out lying to the American people an impeachable offense? It should be.

    I'm pretty sure it's illegal to lie in any official document, court, police investigation or any kind of government inquiry.

    This takes a while to load in but it's totally worth it.
    LIES!

    This Bloomberg article is pretty interesting:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-03-06/trump-s-wiretap-tweets-raise-risk-of-impeachment
    If Trump breathes it raises the risk of impeachment.

    Edit...

    I should add that article is largely correct. If Trump is correct it is a scandal of watergate proportions and if Trump is making it up then he has problems coming his way. The question eveybody needs to ask is "what did Trump know when he made his tweets?". A lot of people are gambling on Trump making it all up. Cards will be put on the table.
    It's telling that you don't consider the possibility that all the claims of Trump colluding with Russia are completely true and he will go down for it.
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,306
    Hey BS, you do know that Trump gets his intelligence briefings from Fox and Friends, Brietbart and Alex Jones? You may want to back down on your defence of Trumps tweet on Obama spying, it's getting silly.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 37,019
    dignin said:

    Hey BS, you do know that Trump gets his intelligence briefings from Fox and Friends, Brietbart and Alex Jones? You may want to back down on your defence of Trumps tweet on Obama spying, it's getting silly.

    He's like Tom Petty that way.
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    mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,405

    dignin said:

    Hey BS, you do know that Trump gets his intelligence briefings from Fox and Friends, Brietbart and Alex Jones? You may want to back down on your defence of Trumps tweet on Obama spying, it's getting silly.

    He's like Tom Petty that way.
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    Leezestarr313Leezestarr313 Temple of the cat Posts: 14,347
    Gimme that health care plan that costs me as much as a phone a year! http://thehill.com/homenews/house/322664-chaffetz-americans-may-need-to-choose-between-buying-new-iphone-or-healthcare

    Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) on Tuesday said Americans may have to choose between purchasing a new iPhone or paying for health insurance.
    “You know what, Americans have choices. And they’ve got to make a choice,” the House Oversight Committee chairman told CNN’s “New Day," one day after the House GOP unveiled its plan to replace ObamaCare.
    “And so maybe, rather than getting that new iPhone that they just love and they want to spend hundreds of dollars on, maybe they should invest in their own healthcare.”
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Tiki said:

    That's part of Bannon's deconstruction theory.

    DeVos
    Perry
    Scott Pruitt
    Tillerson
    Price
    Mnuchin
    Sessions
    and that Brain Surgeon are ALL so remarkably unqualified and have positions that are totally opposite what their departments are supposed to stand for.

    Not to mention the false statements made by the bolded nominees made while being confirmed,

    Correct
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576

    Gimme that health care plan that costs me as much as a phone a year! http://thehill.com/homenews/house/322664-chaffetz-americans-may-need-to-choose-between-buying-new-iphone-or-healthcare

    Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) on Tuesday said Americans may have to choose between purchasing a new iPhone or paying for health insurance.
    “You know what, Americans have choices. And they’ve got to make a choice,” the House Oversight Committee chairman told CNN’s “New Day," one day after the House GOP unveiled its plan to replace ObamaCare.
    “And so maybe, rather than getting that new iPhone that they just love and they want to spend hundreds of dollars on, maybe they should invest in their own healthcare.”

    Yep, because a few hundred dollars is enough to cover healthcare costs for a few years. Idiot.
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,802

    Obama is SPYING - Trump sez so

    Gimme that health care plan that costs me as much as a phone a year! http://thehill.com/homenews/house/322664-chaffetz-americans-may-need-to-choose-between-buying-new-iphone-or-healthcare

    Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) on Tuesday said Americans may have to choose between purchasing a new iPhone or paying for health insurance.
    “You know what, Americans have choices. And they’ve got to make a choice,” the House Oversight Committee chairman told CNN’s “New Day," one day after the House GOP unveiled its plan to replace ObamaCare.
    “And so maybe, rather than getting that new iPhone that they just love and they want to spend hundreds of dollars on, maybe they should invest in their own healthcare.”

    Ah yes, the infamous welfare queen driving to the store in her Cadillac to buy lobster and steak with food stamps.
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    PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    my2hands said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    The president's pick for HUD secretary. ......

    Carson says slaves were ‘immigrants’ with dreams for their children
    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/ben-carson-slaves-immigrants-235730

    “There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less,” he said. “But they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great-grandsons, great-granddaughters might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.”

    Sorry. Please explain to me why this is offensive? It is not immigration by choice obviously but it was deemed that those forced into slavery should be granted all the rights of a citizen who did immigrate. It is a fact that these slaves did want full rights for themselves and their children. I could be wrong but I don't believe many chose to return to their country of origin post-emancipation? What part of this is so off base?
    The slave trade was abolished in 1807. That means the vast majority of slaves freed in 1865 were not born in Africa. So it's kind of a silly statement. However they did have the option to go to Liberia which was established for that reason. However that country was even more foreign than the US.
    This is not in dispute. Carson is discussing the initial slaves brought over as "immigrants" followed by their children and grandchildren. People want to go crazy over the use of the word "immigrant" because slaves didn't come by choice. Well no shit. Do people think Ben Carson doesn't know that? The point is that even if they were brought over against their will nobody should argue against their rights and wants to live a better life. This is Kellyanne Conway feet on the couch level bullshit. I don't care if Samuel L Jackson has a wallet that says "Bad Muthafucka" on it...it doesn't make him anymore correct. Tomorrow he'll be arguing that DACA kids who were brought to the US against their will should have full legal status.
    It's a little tone deaf. It's sort of like how Devos called the advent of HBCUs a victory of school,choice rather than a necessity of segregation. It's strange spin.
    Only tone deaf when you read it. If you actually watch the clip Carson is speaking about the greatness of immigrants and then segways into slaves who dreamed of a better life. Major Marquis Warren is off base.
    Slaves dreamed of a better life, because THEY WERE FUCKING SLAVES

    They didn't view America as some shining beacon on a hill... America was their hell on earth...

    To try an explain away Carson's MORONIC statement, which I've seen and is even worse when you watch it, is totally and absolutely ridiculous. For real.
    Who said it better? Obama in 2015:
    "Certainly, it wasn’t easy for those of African heritage who had not come here voluntarily and yet in their own way were immigrants themselves. There was discrimination and hardship and poverty. But, like you, they no doubt found inspiration in all those who had come before them. And they were able to muster faith that, here in America, they might build a better life and give their children something more."
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    InHiding80InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623

    dignin said:

    Hey BS, you do know that Trump gets his intelligence briefings from Fox and Friends, Brietbart and Alex Jones? You may want to back down on your defence of Trumps tweet on Obama spying, it's getting silly.

    He's like Tom Petty that way.
    He's butthurt that facts are jamming him and he don't want them to come around here no more.
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    InHiding80InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623

    Gimme that health care plan that costs me as much as a phone a year! http://thehill.com/homenews/house/322664-chaffetz-americans-may-need-to-choose-between-buying-new-iphone-or-healthcare

    Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) on Tuesday said Americans may have to choose between purchasing a new iPhone or paying for health insurance.
    “You know what, Americans have choices. And they’ve got to make a choice,” the House Oversight Committee chairman told CNN’s “New Day," one day after the House GOP unveiled its plan to replace ObamaCare.
    “And so maybe, rather than getting that new iPhone that they just love and they want to spend hundreds of dollars on, maybe they should invest in their own healthcare.”

    Obamacare is the iPhone and Trumpnocare is the Zune.
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    InHiding80InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623
    Tiki said:

    SIX new bullshit claims to keep the news cycle busy today...they will juggle his talking points and another day goes by.

    Why is the impeachment taking so long?

    A party over country congress. Today's republicans would have let Tricky Dick serve more years.
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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,672
    edited March 2017
    Nunes must not be on Twitter, because Trump's word is all the sheep need for confirmation - it's gospel & beyond reproach...... he must not know.

    Post edited by Merkin Baller on
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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,672
    mfc2006 said:
    Backtracking on the whole 'Obama Spying' story?

    Weird, it's almost like Trump isn't as brilliant as some people think.

    "Be careful of the blowback."
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117

    mfc2006 said:
    Backtracking on the whole 'Obama Spying' story?

    Weird, it's almost like Trump isn't as brilliant as some people think.

    "Be careful of the blowback."
    it effectively turned the page on Jeff Sessions... so it absolutely worked...

    and he knows he needs to maintain "enemies" to focus his followers on... Hillary cant be the enemy anymore.. so he turned to the cliché enemy, the media and journalists... and he had to bring back the enemy all conservatves LOVE to hate even more then HRC, President Obama

    as long as he can stoke the fires by barking lunacy about these "enemies", he knows his can foam and will always support him in a weird "us versus them" mentality... lets be honest, these fucking morons bought the "birther" bullshit for years and probably still do... so he knows he just has to keep throwing the red meat lines of "Hillary... Obama... The Media... The intelligence agencies" and these suckers will continue to buy it LOL

    much like MOST conservatives cant articulate what they like about the Trump presidency so far, they just like that it pissed off "liberals"

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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    my2hands said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    The president's pick for HUD secretary. ......

    Carson says slaves were ‘immigrants’ with dreams for their children
    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/ben-carson-slaves-immigrants-235730

    “There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less,” he said. “But they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great-grandsons, great-granddaughters might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.”

    Sorry. Please explain to me why this is offensive? It is not immigration by choice obviously but it was deemed that those forced into slavery should be granted all the rights of a citizen who did immigrate. It is a fact that these slaves did want full rights for themselves and their children. I could be wrong but I don't believe many chose to return to their country of origin post-emancipation? What part of this is so off base?
    The slave trade was abolished in 1807. That means the vast majority of slaves freed in 1865 were not born in Africa. So it's kind of a silly statement. However they did have the option to go to Liberia which was established for that reason. However that country was even more foreign than the US.
    This is not in dispute. Carson is discussing the initial slaves brought over as "immigrants" followed by their children and grandchildren. People want to go crazy over the use of the word "immigrant" because slaves didn't come by choice. Well no shit. Do people think Ben Carson doesn't know that? The point is that even if they were brought over against their will nobody should argue against their rights and wants to live a better life. This is Kellyanne Conway feet on the couch level bullshit. I don't care if Samuel L Jackson has a wallet that says "Bad Muthafucka" on it...it doesn't make him anymore correct. Tomorrow he'll be arguing that DACA kids who were brought to the US against their will should have full legal status.
    It's a little tone deaf. It's sort of like how Devos called the advent of HBCUs a victory of school,choice rather than a necessity of segregation. It's strange spin.
    Only tone deaf when you read it. If you actually watch the clip Carson is speaking about the greatness of immigrants and then segways into slaves who dreamed of a better life. Major Marquis Warren is off base.
    Slaves dreamed of a better life, because THEY WERE FUCKING SLAVES

    They didn't view America as some shining beacon on a hill... America was their hell on earth...

    To try an explain away Carson's MORONIC statement, which I've seen and is even worse when you watch it, is totally and absolutely ridiculous. For real.
    Check out the big brain on Brad!

    http://thefederalist.com/2017/03/07/11-times-barack-obama-compared-slaves-to-immigrants/
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    rgambs said:

    BS44325 said:

    Tiki said:

    Is flat out lying to the American people an impeachable offense? It should be.

    I'm pretty sure it's illegal to lie in any official document, court, police investigation or any kind of government inquiry.

    This takes a while to load in but it's totally worth it.
    LIES!

    This Bloomberg article is pretty interesting:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-03-06/trump-s-wiretap-tweets-raise-risk-of-impeachment
    If Trump breathes it raises the risk of impeachment.

    Edit...

    I should add that article is largely correct. If Trump is correct it is a scandal of watergate proportions and if Trump is making it up then he has problems coming his way. The question eveybody needs to ask is "what did Trump know when he made his tweets?". A lot of people are gambling on Trump making it all up. Cards will be put on the table.
    It's telling that you don't consider the possibility that all the claims of Trump colluding with Russia are completely true and he will go down for it.
    I have always entertained this possibility. It is just that the evidence to date has been completely thin. Not to mention that ever since Trump's weekend tweet storm every single person asked says that they have bot seen evidence of this collusion. It has been a massive walkback up and down the line and now the new focus is Trump's accusation on spying.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 37,019
    BS44325 said:

    my2hands said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    The president's pick for HUD secretary. ......

    Carson says slaves were ‘immigrants’ with dreams for their children
    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/ben-carson-slaves-immigrants-235730

    “There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less,” he said. “But they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great-grandsons, great-granddaughters might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.”

    Sorry. Please explain to me why this is offensive? It is not immigration by choice obviously but it was deemed that those forced into slavery should be granted all the rights of a citizen who did immigrate. It is a fact that these slaves did want full rights for themselves and their children. I could be wrong but I don't believe many chose to return to their country of origin post-emancipation? What part of this is so off base?
    The slave trade was abolished in 1807. That means the vast majority of slaves freed in 1865 were not born in Africa. So it's kind of a silly statement. However they did have the option to go to Liberia which was established for that reason. However that country was even more foreign than the US.
    This is not in dispute. Carson is discussing the initial slaves brought over as "immigrants" followed by their children and grandchildren. People want to go crazy over the use of the word "immigrant" because slaves didn't come by choice. Well no shit. Do people think Ben Carson doesn't know that? The point is that even if they were brought over against their will nobody should argue against their rights and wants to live a better life. This is Kellyanne Conway feet on the couch level bullshit. I don't care if Samuel L Jackson has a wallet that says "Bad Muthafucka" on it...it doesn't make him anymore correct. Tomorrow he'll be arguing that DACA kids who were brought to the US against their will should have full legal status.
    It's a little tone deaf. It's sort of like how Devos called the advent of HBCUs a victory of school,choice rather than a necessity of segregation. It's strange spin.
    Only tone deaf when you read it. If you actually watch the clip Carson is speaking about the greatness of immigrants and then segways into slaves who dreamed of a better life. Major Marquis Warren is off base.
    Slaves dreamed of a better life, because THEY WERE FUCKING SLAVES

    They didn't view America as some shining beacon on a hill... America was their hell on earth...

    To try an explain away Carson's MORONIC statement, which I've seen and is even worse when you watch it, is totally and absolutely ridiculous. For real.
    Check out the big brain on Brad!

    http://thefederalist.com/2017/03/07/11-times-barack-obama-compared-slaves-to-immigrants/
    Oooooooo, this makes Trump's appointment of Carson to direct HUD brilliant!
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    dignin said:

    Hey BS, you do know that Trump gets his intelligence briefings from Fox and Friends, Brietbart and Alex Jones? You may want to back down on your defence of Trumps tweet on Obama spying, it's getting silly.

    Oh is that the case? It is this claim that is silly. Trump has the entire intelligence community at his disposal. This might be something you want to start considering.
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,766
    BS44325 said:

    my2hands said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    The president's pick for HUD secretary. ......

    Carson says slaves were ‘immigrants’ with dreams for their children
    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/ben-carson-slaves-immigrants-235730

    “There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less,” he said. “But they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great-grandsons, great-granddaughters might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.”

    Sorry. Please explain to me why this is offensive? It is not immigration by choice obviously but it was deemed that those forced into slavery should be granted all the rights of a citizen who did immigrate. It is a fact that these slaves did want full rights for themselves and their children. I could be wrong but I don't believe many chose to return to their country of origin post-emancipation? What part of this is so off base?
    The slave trade was abolished in 1807. That means the vast majority of slaves freed in 1865 were not born in Africa. So it's kind of a silly statement. However they did have the option to go to Liberia which was established for that reason. However that country was even more foreign than the US.
    This is not in dispute. Carson is discussing the initial slaves brought over as "immigrants" followed by their children and grandchildren. People want to go crazy over the use of the word "immigrant" because slaves didn't come by choice. Well no shit. Do people think Ben Carson doesn't know that? The point is that even if they were brought over against their will nobody should argue against their rights and wants to live a better life. This is Kellyanne Conway feet on the couch level bullshit. I don't care if Samuel L Jackson has a wallet that says "Bad Muthafucka" on it...it doesn't make him anymore correct. Tomorrow he'll be arguing that DACA kids who were brought to the US against their will should have full legal status.
    It's a little tone deaf. It's sort of like how Devos called the advent of HBCUs a victory of school,choice rather than a necessity of segregation. It's strange spin.
    Only tone deaf when you read it. If you actually watch the clip Carson is speaking about the greatness of immigrants and then segways into slaves who dreamed of a better life. Major Marquis Warren is off base.
    Slaves dreamed of a better life, because THEY WERE FUCKING SLAVES

    They didn't view America as some shining beacon on a hill... America was their hell on earth...

    To try an explain away Carson's MORONIC statement, which I've seen and is even worse when you watch it, is totally and absolutely ridiculous. For real.
    Check out the big brain on Brad!

    http://thefederalist.com/2017/03/07/11-times-barack-obama-compared-slaves-to-immigrants/
    That just proves that context is everything.
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    dignin said:

    Hey BS, you do know that Trump gets his intelligence briefings from Fox and Friends, Brietbart and Alex Jones? You may want to back down on your defence of Trumps tweet on Obama spying, it's getting silly.

    Oh is that the case? It is this claim that is silly. Trump has the entire intelligence community at his disposal. This might be something you want to start considering.
    And he still can't back his claim. Hilarious that you still defend him.
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    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    The president's pick for HUD secretary. ......

    Carson says slaves were ‘immigrants’ with dreams for their children
    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/ben-carson-slaves-immigrants-235730

    “There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less,” he said. “But they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great-grandsons, great-granddaughters might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.”

    Sorry. Please explain to me why this is offensive? It is not immigration by choice obviously but it was deemed that those forced into slavery should be granted all the rights of a citizen who did immigrate. It is a fact that these slaves did want full rights for themselves and their children. I could be wrong but I don't believe many chose to return to their country of origin post-emancipation? What part of this is so off base?
    The slave trade was abolished in 1807. That means the vast majority of slaves freed in 1865 were not born in Africa. So it's kind of a silly statement. However they did have the option to go to Liberia which was established for that reason. However that country was even more foreign than the US.
    This is not in dispute. Carson is discussing the initial slaves brought over as "immigrants" followed by their children and grandchildren. People want to go crazy over the use of the word "immigrant" because slaves didn't come by choice. Well no shit. Do people think Ben Carson doesn't know that? The point is that even if they were brought over against their will nobody should argue against their rights and wants to live a better life. This is Kellyanne Conway feet on the couch level bullshit. I don't care if Samuel L Jackson has a wallet that says "Bad Muthafucka" on it...it doesn't make him anymore correct. Tomorrow he'll be arguing that DACA kids who were brought to the US against their will should have full legal status.
    So why are you giving it so much explanation? Triggered? Why don't we discuss the facts thus far of Trump's campaign ilk and their ties to Putin's ilk? Or Trump's complete fabrication that Obama tapped his ever prescious Trump Tower? Would you like to discuss facts, professor? Or continue your supposition and distractions? Professor?
    https://youtu.be/PI1fvJmF1UU
    So, professor? What are Trump's reasons? Time for Trump to show his cards. But typical of your response, more distraction and factless deflection. You do realize that the POTUS can't order a FISA on his own, right? And if it's the FBI who sought and was granted a wire tap, Trump could direct the Justice Department to make public the evidence. You know this right? So why is Trump hiding behind a lie? Care to discuss facts, professor?
    Correct the President can't order a FISA on his own. That is not in dispute. He would likely be made aware of it however. We also don't know if it was the FBI who ordered the tap but "if" there even was a tap the President could not simply direct the Justice Department to make public the evidence. There are "sources and methods" issues that could be exposed especially if transcripts involve conversations with foreign governments. Cards will be put on the table in the coming weeks. Every newspaper and democratic politician who insinuated that there is evidence and/or recordings demonstrating Trump campaign collusion with Russia will either have to double down on the existence of this evidence through spying or admit they have nothing at all. On the flip side Trump will have to reveal what spying was conducted, who ordered it, and how was that info handeled. Based on the democratic walk backs by the media, people like Sen Chris Coons, Jon Favreau and others it appears that Trump has the upper hand. Democratic obsession with a possible loss to Trump triggered watergate level spying on a candidate. Those are the facts that you should be scared of.
    I'm afraid, really, really afraid. Now, about that asparagus and meatloaf? You're relying on a brietbart propagated defense of Trump's Saturday morning shit storm? The serial liar is finally going to speak the truth to power. Are you kidding me? And what if the "evidence" is foreign sourced intelligence, professor? That was vetted and found to be plausible? You ever stop to wonder why Treasury's financial crimes unit has an ongoing investigation? Spin baby spin. Lay those cards on the table Trump, show us what you got. I'm all in for his impeachment.
    Does Treasurey financial crimes unit have an ongoing investigation? Are you sure about this? You seem to want to have it both ways. For months you have linked to sources detailing evidence against Trump that would only come from spying. Breitbart via Levin used these same sources to make their case. Now you want to flip it and say all these same sources are garbage. You also assume Trump only has this information and nothing else. Trump is the only one with access to everything. He knows what all the cards show and they will soon be put on the table.
    Well the difference is credibility. Breitbart has pushed made up scandals since its inception. Could they get one right? Sure. Maybe. But their batting average so far isn't very good. Oh and neither is Trump's (Birther, voting fraud, etc.).

    You are explicitly wrong on two fronts of your statements above though:

    1. Trump is not the only person with all the information. Comey knows what the FBI did and Clapper knows what the intelligence agencies did. There's really no one left after that. If Trump "knew", then why would these two professionals refute him so quickly?
    2. No, the cards will not be on the table. In fact Spicer headed that off for what should be obvious reasons when he said "There will be no further comment until the investigation is complete". Really? Are we all that naive on the tactic being used here?
    1. Brennan is still left. We haven't heard much from him. Clapper has only denied a FISA request. Comey has so far disputed nothing on the record.
    2. The tactic is "brilliant" because charges such as the one Chris Coons made on Friday have already been walked back and will now forever stop. We will no longer read one more story in the New York Times or anywhere else about wiretaps. Why? Because to do so would prove Trump right on spying and we can't have that can we? So where does that leave the Russia investigation? It is dead in the water. The well has run dry. Guilt by innuendo is over now that anonymous leakers and the media can no longer feed the fire with "transcripts" and "recordings" of communications. Those are the #resistance's cards on the table. Trump sent a shot across the bow and now only has to come up with one instance of a conversation and/or computer being spied on by a federal agency to prove he was right. The computer angle exists. The Flynn conversation exists. The spying on his conversations with Mexico and Australia exists. Pretty easy cards to show in time.
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    BS44325 said:

    my2hands said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    The president's pick for HUD secretary. ......

    Carson says slaves were ‘immigrants’ with dreams for their children
    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/ben-carson-slaves-immigrants-235730

    “There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less,” he said. “But they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great-grandsons, great-granddaughters might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.”

    Sorry. Please explain to me why this is offensive? It is not immigration by choice obviously but it was deemed that those forced into slavery should be granted all the rights of a citizen who did immigrate. It is a fact that these slaves did want full rights for themselves and their children. I could be wrong but I don't believe many chose to return to their country of origin post-emancipation? What part of this is so off base?
    The slave trade was abolished in 1807. That means the vast majority of slaves freed in 1865 were not born in Africa. So it's kind of a silly statement. However they did have the option to go to Liberia which was established for that reason. However that country was even more foreign than the US.
    This is not in dispute. Carson is discussing the initial slaves brought over as "immigrants" followed by their children and grandchildren. People want to go crazy over the use of the word "immigrant" because slaves didn't come by choice. Well no shit. Do people think Ben Carson doesn't know that? The point is that even if they were brought over against their will nobody should argue against their rights and wants to live a better life. This is Kellyanne Conway feet on the couch level bullshit. I don't care if Samuel L Jackson has a wallet that says "Bad Muthafucka" on it...it doesn't make him anymore correct. Tomorrow he'll be arguing that DACA kids who were brought to the US against their will should have full legal status.
    It's a little tone deaf. It's sort of like how Devos called the advent of HBCUs a victory of school,choice rather than a necessity of segregation. It's strange spin.
    Only tone deaf when you read it. If you actually watch the clip Carson is speaking about the greatness of immigrants and then segways into slaves who dreamed of a better life. Major Marquis Warren is off base.
    Slaves dreamed of a better life, because THEY WERE FUCKING SLAVES

    They didn't view America as some shining beacon on a hill... America was their hell on earth...

    To try an explain away Carson's MORONIC statement, which I've seen and is even worse when you watch it, is totally and absolutely ridiculous. For real.
    Check out the big brain on Brad!

    http://thefederalist.com/2017/03/07/11-times-barack-obama-compared-slaves-to-immigrants/
    Oooooooo, this makes Trump's appointment of Carson to direct HUD brilliant!
    No it just illustrate how those who went into meltdown over Carson's words are full on phonies.
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    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:

    Hey BS, you do know that Trump gets his intelligence briefings from Fox and Friends, Brietbart and Alex Jones? You may want to back down on your defence of Trumps tweet on Obama spying, it's getting silly.

    Oh is that the case? It is this claim that is silly. Trump has the entire intelligence community at his disposal. This might be something you want to start considering.
    And he still can't back his claim. Hilarious that you still defend him.
    Can't or won't? Nobody on here has posted more links to evidence obtained on Russia and Trump via intelligence agencies then you. Yet all of a sudden Trump is a liar and none of this data collection ever happened? I get it...you're living in a material world and you're just a material girl. From that angle it makes complete sense.
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    trump saying Obama ordered it is the lie. You're losing focus.
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