it doesn't matter if Jack was responsible for keeping them together. the hall has nothing to do with that. if it did, they'd have to induct managers, wives, friends, yoga instructors, psychologists, Metallica's therapist, etc, etc.
My comment was in response to SC who said I romanticized JI's role in the band.
I'm not saying JI deserves to be inducted w/ the band, I'm saying DA's contribution is way overstated as compared to JI.
I'm surprised ANY drummers besides Cameron are getting in.
well, the only role you stated about jack was the spiritual one, which I don't think qualifies as a consideration. Anyway, we might be talking apples and oranges here.
I think Dave's contributions were huge, drumming wise. they played their heaviest shit when they needed to play their heaviest shit. not that this SHOULD matter, but when speaking of the Hall, it seems to: he played on their two biggest commerically successful albums that were not Ten.
I also quoted Brendan O'Brien as saying the band was barely communicating at the time, but seemed to act professional around JI - I don't think that quote should be overlooked or dismissed.
IDK.... read the article I linked if you get the chance. That, and other articles I read not too long ago paint a picture of a band on the verge of imploding, and it seems like JI brought them back together (Jeff didn't even know the band had started sessions on NC, it sound's like a pretty dark time for them - I'll see if I can't dig up the other articles I recall reading a little later)
As someone else mentioned, I feel like VS & Vitalogy were going to happen regardless of whatever drummer they found. After reading the articles I did, it seemed like NC & Yield never would have happened had JI not come along.
Regarding their meteoric rise to fame during DA's tenure - I think that had as much if not more to do with the whole grunge / alternative movement of the time as it did whomever was behind the kit. I feel like it would have happened regardless of who played drums at the time, that's my $0.02.
Peace.
I don't disagree with Jack's influence on the band's communication skills. All I'm saying is that I don't think that should factor in to who gets into the hall, that's all.
I think Matt should be the only drummer inducted. He helped them out before any other drummer, and he's been with them the longest. But if you induct Dave K, you open a can of worms for the others.
it doesn't matter if Jack was responsible for keeping them together. the hall has nothing to do with that. if it did, they'd have to induct managers, wives, friends, yoga instructors, psychologists, Metallica's therapist, etc, etc.
My comment was in response to SC who said I romanticized JI's role in the band.
I'm not saying JI deserves to be inducted w/ the band, I'm saying DA's contribution is way overstated as compared to JI.
I'm surprised ANY drummers besides Cameron are getting in.
well, the only role you stated about jack was the spiritual one, which I don't think qualifies as a consideration. Anyway, we might be talking apples and oranges here.
I think Dave's contributions were huge, drumming wise. they played their heaviest shit when they needed to play their heaviest shit. not that this SHOULD matter, but when speaking of the Hall, it seems to: he played on their two biggest commerically successful albums that were not Ten.
I also quoted Brendan O'Brien as saying the band was barely communicating at the time, but seemed to act professional around JI - I don't think that quote should be overlooked or dismissed.
IDK.... read the article I linked if you get the chance. That, and other articles I read not too long ago paint a picture of a band on the verge of imploding, and it seems like JI brought them back together (Jeff didn't even know the band had started sessions on NC, it sound's like a pretty dark time for them - I'll see if I can't dig up the other articles I recall reading a little later)
As someone else mentioned, I feel like VS & Vitalogy were going to happen regardless of whatever drummer they found. After reading the articles I did, it seemed like NC & Yield never would have happened had JI not come along.
Regarding their meteoric rise to fame during DA's tenure - I think that had as much if not more to do with the whole grunge / alternative movement of the time as it did whomever was behind the kit. I feel like it would have happened regardless of who played drums at the time, that's my $0.02.
Peace.
I don't disagree with Jack's influence on the band's communication skills. All I'm saying is that I don't think that should factor in to who gets into the hall, that's all.
I think Matt should be the only drummer inducted. He helped them out before any other drummer, and he's been with them the longest. But if you induct Dave K, you open a can of worms for the others.
I agree on both of your points.
I predicted (wrongly) that Matt would be the only drummer inducted w/ the band, and I would have been fine with that. I don't necessarily care that DK gets in, but to me it's an odd inclusion as compared to what DA & JI both brought to the table.
I really couldn't care less if Dave A is included... I guess I care a little more about Jack, but meh, whatever. Seems to me that the Hall of Fame has rules, and they are following the rules. Good enough for me, and PJ should respect the rules. I assume that rule is to prevent a dozen people from one band being inducted, even if half of them barely did anything over the years. Makes sense. I can't fucking believe anyone is suggesting that PJ boycott the HoF for the sake of Dave A, lmao.
yes boycott for Dave A! lol In fact, please please please don't try to get tickets for the ceremony. And obviously if your fan club number is below 139XXX you should quit the 10c immediately.
it doesn't matter if Jack was responsible for keeping them together. the hall has nothing to do with that. if it did, they'd have to induct managers, wives, friends, yoga instructors, psychologists, Metallica's therapist, etc, etc.
My comment was in response to SC who said I romanticized JI's role in the band.
I'm not saying JI deserves to be inducted w/ the band, I'm saying DA's contribution is way overstated as compared to JI.
I'm surprised ANY drummers besides Cameron are getting in.
well, the only role you stated about jack was the spiritual one, which I don't think qualifies as a consideration. Anyway, we might be talking apples and oranges here.
I think Dave's contributions were huge, drumming wise. they played their heaviest shit when they needed to play their heaviest shit. not that this SHOULD matter, but when speaking of the Hall, it seems to: he played on their two biggest commerically successful albums that were not Ten.
I also quoted Brendan O'Brien as saying the band was barely communicating at the time, but seemed to act professional around JI - I don't think that quote should be overlooked or dismissed.
IDK.... read the article I linked if you get the chance. That, and other articles I read not too long ago paint a picture of a band on the verge of imploding, and it seems like JI brought them back together (Jeff didn't even know the band had started sessions on NC, it sound's like a pretty dark time for them - I'll see if I can't dig up the other articles I recall reading a little later)
As someone else mentioned, I feel like VS & Vitalogy were going to happen regardless of whatever drummer they found. After reading the articles I did, it seemed like NC & Yield never would have happened had JI not come along.
Regarding their meteoric rise to fame during DA's tenure - I think that had as much if not more to do with the whole grunge / alternative movement of the time as it did whomever was behind the kit. I feel like it would have happened regardless of who played drums at the time, that's my $0.02.
Peace.
I don't disagree with Jack's influence on the band's communication skills. All I'm saying is that I don't think that should factor in to who gets into the hall, that's all.
I think Matt should be the only drummer inducted. He helped them out before any other drummer, and he's been with them the longest. But if you induct Dave K, you open a can of worms for the others.
I agree on both of your points.
I predicted (wrongly) that Matt would be the only drummer inducted w/ the band, and I would have been fine with that. I don't necessarily care that DK gets in, but to me it's an odd inclusion as compared to what DA & JI both brought to the table.
it doesn't matter if Jack was responsible for keeping them together. the hall has nothing to do with that. if it did, they'd have to induct managers, wives, friends, yoga instructors, psychologists, Metallica's therapist, etc, etc.
My comment was in response to SC who said I romanticized JI's role in the band.
I'm not saying JI deserves to be inducted w/ the band, I'm saying DA's contribution is way overstated as compared to JI.
I'm surprised ANY drummers besides Cameron are getting in.
well, the only role you stated about jack was the spiritual one, which I don't think qualifies as a consideration. Anyway, we might be talking apples and oranges here.
I think Dave's contributions were huge, drumming wise. they played their heaviest shit when they needed to play their heaviest shit. not that this SHOULD matter, but when speaking of the Hall, it seems to: he played on their two biggest commerically successful albums that were not Ten.
I also quoted Brendan O'Brien as saying the band was barely communicating at the time, but seemed to act professional around JI - I don't think that quote should be overlooked or dismissed.
IDK.... read the article I linked if you get the chance. That, and other articles I read not too long ago paint a picture of a band on the verge of imploding, and it seems like JI brought them back together (Jeff didn't even know the band had started sessions on NC, it sound's like a pretty dark time for them - I'll see if I can't dig up the other articles I recall reading a little later)
As someone else mentioned, I feel like VS & Vitalogy were going to happen regardless of whatever drummer they found. After reading the articles I did, it seemed like NC & Yield never would have happened had JI not come along.
Regarding their meteoric rise to fame during DA's tenure - I think that had as much if not more to do with the whole grunge / alternative movement of the time as it did whomever was behind the kit. I feel like it would have happened regardless of who played drums at the time, that's my $0.02.
Where's the outrage for the omission of Matt Chamberlain? I mean he was in the Alive video and he suggested the band check out Dave I can't pronounce his name.
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I really couldn't care less if Dave A is included... I guess I care a little more about Jack, but meh, whatever. Seems to me that the Hall of Fame has rules, and they are following the rules. Good enough for me, and PJ should respect the rules. I assume that rule is to prevent a dozen people from one band being inducted, even if half of them barely did anything over the years. Makes sense. I can't fucking believe anyone is suggesting that PJ boycott the HoF for the sake of Dave A, lmao.
that's the thing, though. both Dave A and Jack fit the criteria (either being a founding member or being on 2 or more albums). besides that, the hall just inducts whoever the fuck they want, with no input from the band themselves.
The Rolling Stones have 8 members inducted. The Yardbirds have 7, as do Sly and the Family Stone Grateful Dead have 12. Parliament Funkadelic have 16. Fleetwood Mac have 8. Earth Wind and Fire have 9. Skynyrd have 9.
and the list goes on.
To me just induct Matt, not Dave K, or induct them all (not Matt Chamberlain).
it doesn't matter if Jack was responsible for keeping them together. the hall has nothing to do with that. if it did, they'd have to induct managers, wives, friends, yoga instructors, psychologists, Metallica's therapist, etc, etc.
My comment was in response to SC who said I romanticized JI's role in the band.
I'm not saying JI deserves to be inducted w/ the band, I'm saying DA's contribution is way overstated as compared to JI.
I'm surprised ANY drummers besides Cameron are getting in.
well, the only role you stated about jack was the spiritual one, which I don't think qualifies as a consideration. Anyway, we might be talking apples and oranges here.
I think Dave's contributions were huge, drumming wise. they played their heaviest shit when they needed to play their heaviest shit. not that this SHOULD matter, but when speaking of the Hall, it seems to: he played on their two biggest commerically successful albums that were not Ten.
I also quoted Brendan O'Brien as saying the band was barely communicating at the time, but seemed to act professional around JI - I don't think that quote should be overlooked or dismissed.
IDK.... read the article I linked if you get the chance. That, and other articles I read not too long ago paint a picture of a band on the verge of imploding, and it seems like JI brought them back together (Jeff didn't even know the band had started sessions on NC, it sound's like a pretty dark time for them - I'll see if I can't dig up the other articles I recall reading a little later)
As someone else mentioned, I feel like VS & Vitalogy were going to happen regardless of whatever drummer they found. After reading the articles I did, it seemed like NC & Yield never would have happened had JI not come along.
Regarding their meteoric rise to fame during DA's tenure - I think that had as much if not more to do with the whole grunge / alternative movement of the time as it did whomever was behind the kit. I feel like it would have happened regardless of who played drums at the time, that's my $0.02.
Peace.
Are you saying all drummers are the same?
I think they're saying there's a difference between the influence the different drummers had on the band, musically/personally, and what the band experienced in terms of fame. The latter was more inevitable due to a wider array of circumstances than who was drumming at the time.
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I think it's poor taste for Dave A. to make a comment the day of the list of POSSIBLE inductees, like he wants his due NOW! Let the chips fall dude. See what happens. Great drummer, but in the history of this band, he was a splash in the pan. My three cents. They need to Hit Em' With The Hein.
Where's the outrage for the omission of Matt Chamberlain? I mean he was in the Alive video and he suggested the band check out Dave I can't pronounce his name.
It's his punishment for suggesting Dave.
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I really couldn't care less if Dave A is included... I guess I care a little more about Jack, but meh, whatever. Seems to me that the Hall of Fame has rules, and they are following the rules. Good enough for me, and PJ should respect the rules. I assume that rule is to prevent a dozen people from one band being inducted, even if half of them barely did anything over the years. Makes sense. I can't fucking believe anyone is suggesting that PJ boycott the HoF for the sake of Dave A, lmao.
that's the thing, though. both Dave A and Jack fit the criteria (either being a founding member or being on 2 or more albums). besides that, the hall just inducts whoever the fuck they want, with no input from the band themselves.
The Rolling Stones have 8 members inducted. The Yardbirds have 7, as do Sly and the Family Stone Grateful Dead have 12. Parliament Funkadelic have 16. Fleetwood Mac have 8. Earth Wind and Fire have 9. Skynyrd have 9.
and the list goes on.
To me just induct Matt, not Dave K, or induct them all (not Matt Chamberlain).
I'm sorry, I must have relied on a bad source then. I thought the rule was the founding member and the current member only? If that's not true, then I dunno, I guess it's arbitrary and that's their rule. Basically, I support whatever the hell the HoH wants to do, since it's their decision. I just looked up their own little blurb about it, which isn't very informative. It just says: "Artists—a group encompassing performers, composers and/or musicians—become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Besides demonstrating unquestionable musical excellence and talent, inductees will have had a significant impact on the development, evolution and preservation of rock & roll." So if they have no other rules about it, then perhaps they don't feel that Dave A and Jack Irons had enough impact on the development of the band or something. Maybe not enough song-writing contributions? Whatever it is, I'm sure it's not personal, and therefore, I don't give a shit.
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I really couldn't care less if Dave A is included... I guess I care a little more about Jack, but meh, whatever. Seems to me that the Hall of Fame has rules, and they are following the rules. Good enough for me, and PJ should respect the rules. I assume that rule is to prevent a dozen people from one band being inducted, even if half of them barely did anything over the years. Makes sense. I can't fucking believe anyone is suggesting that PJ boycott the HoF for the sake of Dave A, lmao.
that's the thing, though. both Dave A and Jack fit the criteria (either being a founding member or being on 2 or more albums). besides that, the hall just inducts whoever the fuck they want, with no input from the band themselves.
The Rolling Stones have 8 members inducted. The Yardbirds have 7, as do Sly and the Family Stone Grateful Dead have 12. Parliament Funkadelic have 16. Fleetwood Mac have 8. Earth Wind and Fire have 9. Skynyrd have 9.
and the list goes on.
To me just induct Matt, not Dave K, or induct them all (not Matt Chamberlain).
I'm sorry, I must have relied on a bad source then. I thought the rule was the founding member and the current member only? If that's not true, then I dunno, I guess it's arbitrary and that's their rule. Basically, I support whatever the hell the HoH wants to do, since it's their decision. I just looked up their own little blurb about it, which isn't very informative. It just says: "Artists—a group encompassing performers, composers and/or musicians—become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Besides demonstrating unquestionable musical excellence and talent, inductees will have had a significant impact on the development, evolution and preservation of rock & roll." So if they have no other rules about it, then perhaps they don't feel that Dave A and Jack Irons had enough impact on the development of the band or something. Maybe not enough song-writing contributions? Whatever it is, I'm sure it's not personal, and therefore, I don't give a shit.
well, yeah, I'm sure it's not personal. but it's irritating to fans when they give no logical reasons for inducting/not inducting certain former members of a group. or even current members of a group. there's a lot of criticism because it's owned and started by a non-musician and there has been loads of controversy over groups snubbed, and them basically putting one group in over another to create a balance (like inducting a rap act instead of a rock act to make it look more diverse). it's stupid.
I think it's poor taste for Dave A. to make a comment the day of the list of POSSIBLE inductees, like he wants his due NOW! Let the chips fall dude. See what happens. Great drummer, but in the history of this band, he was a splash in the pan. My three cents. They need to Hit Em' With The Hein.
I really couldn't care less if Dave A is included... I guess I care a little more about Jack, but meh, whatever. Seems to me that the Hall of Fame has rules, and they are following the rules. Good enough for me, and PJ should respect the rules. I assume that rule is to prevent a dozen people from one band being inducted, even if half of them barely did anything over the years. Makes sense. I can't fucking believe anyone is suggesting that PJ boycott the HoF for the sake of Dave A, lmao.
that's the thing, though. both Dave A and Jack fit the criteria (either being a founding member or being on 2 or more albums). besides that, the hall just inducts whoever the fuck they want, with no input from the band themselves.
The Rolling Stones have 8 members inducted. The Yardbirds have 7, as do Sly and the Family Stone Grateful Dead have 12. Parliament Funkadelic have 16. Fleetwood Mac have 8. Earth Wind and Fire have 9. Skynyrd have 9.
and the list goes on.
To me just induct Matt, not Dave K, or induct them all (not Matt Chamberlain).
I'm sorry, I must have relied on a bad source then. I thought the rule was the founding member and the current member only? If that's not true, then I dunno, I guess it's arbitrary and that's their rule. Basically, I support whatever the hell the HoH wants to do, since it's their decision. I just looked up their own little blurb about it, which isn't very informative. It just says: "Artists—a group encompassing performers, composers and/or musicians—become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Besides demonstrating unquestionable musical excellence and talent, inductees will have had a significant impact on the development, evolution and preservation of rock & roll." So if they have no other rules about it, then perhaps they don't feel that Dave A and Jack Irons had enough impact on the development of the band or something. Maybe not enough song-writing contributions? Whatever it is, I'm sure it's not personal, and therefore, I don't give a shit.
well, yeah, I'm sure it's not personal. but it's irritating to fans when they give no logical reasons for inducting/not inducting certain former members of a group. or even current members of a group. there's a lot of criticism because it's owned and started by a non-musician and there has been loads of controversy over groups snubbed, and them basically putting one group in over another to create a balance (like inducting a rap act instead of a rock act to make it look more diverse). it's stupid.
I do agree that inducting non-rock artists is stupid. Makes no sense at all. Although I suppose it's to make up for the fact that there is no such thing as a Rap Hall of Fame.... I would suggest they change the name to accommodate that, but anything else just sounds stupid and would be TOO inclusive, i.e. you call it the Music Hall of Fame and all of a sudden classical pianists and pan flutists would have their knickers in a knot, lol. So what could it be called? I don't know. The Non-Country, Non-Classical, Non-Et Al Music Hall of Fame?
Anyway, I simply feel absolutely zero attachment to the ex-drummers of Pearl Jam. To be honest, unless they are John Bonham, I never really feel much of an attachment to drummers. I do love drumming, so I suspect that the issue is indeed that they aren't John Bonham, who I consider the greatest musician of all time. All other drummers just have too much to live up to in my own head, so I don't get too wrapped up in who deserves what credit when it comes to PJ drummers. Matt is their drummer. That's how I think of it.
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I really couldn't care less if Dave A is included... I guess I care a little more about Jack, but meh, whatever. Seems to me that the Hall of Fame has rules, and they are following the rules. Good enough for me, and PJ should respect the rules. I assume that rule is to prevent a dozen people from one band being inducted, even if half of them barely did anything over the years. Makes sense. I can't fucking believe anyone is suggesting that PJ boycott the HoF for the sake of Dave A, lmao.
that's the thing, though. both Dave A and Jack fit the criteria (either being a founding member or being on 2 or more albums). besides that, the hall just inducts whoever the fuck they want, with no input from the band themselves.
The Rolling Stones have 8 members inducted. The Yardbirds have 7, as do Sly and the Family Stone Grateful Dead have 12. Parliament Funkadelic have 16. Fleetwood Mac have 8. Earth Wind and Fire have 9. Skynyrd have 9.
and the list goes on.
To me just induct Matt, not Dave K, or induct them all (not Matt Chamberlain).
I'm sorry, I must have relied on a bad source then. I thought the rule was the founding member and the current member only? If that's not true, then I dunno, I guess it's arbitrary and that's their rule. Basically, I support whatever the hell the HoH wants to do, since it's their decision. I just looked up their own little blurb about it, which isn't very informative. It just says: "Artists—a group encompassing performers, composers and/or musicians—become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Besides demonstrating unquestionable musical excellence and talent, inductees will have had a significant impact on the development, evolution and preservation of rock & roll." So if they have no other rules about it, then perhaps they don't feel that Dave A and Jack Irons had enough impact on the development of the band or something. Maybe not enough song-writing contributions? Whatever it is, I'm sure it's not personal, and therefore, I don't give a shit.
well, yeah, I'm sure it's not personal. but it's irritating to fans when they give no logical reasons for inducting/not inducting certain former members of a group. or even current members of a group. there's a lot of criticism because it's owned and started by a non-musician and there has been loads of controversy over groups snubbed, and them basically putting one group in over another to create a balance (like inducting a rap act instead of a rock act to make it look more diverse). it's stupid.
I do agree that inducting non-rock artists is stupid. Makes no sense at all. Although I suppose it's to make up for the fact that there is no such thing as a Rap Hall of Fame.... I would suggest they change the name to accommodate that, but anything else just sounds stupid and would be TOO inclusive, i.e. you call it the Music Hall of Fame and all of a sudden classical pianists and pan flutists would have their knickers in a knot, lol. So what could it be called? I don't know. The Non-Country, Non-Classical, Non-Et Al Music Hall of Fame?
well the canadian one is the Canadian Music Hall of Fame. They should probably put "Popular" in between "Canadian" and "Music" though.
Is Pearl Jam a better (and I know completely different) live band now or 1994?
NOW. No question whatsoever
Oh come on. PJ has always, ALWAYS been an amazing live act. I enjoy the longer sets and what they've become as a live band, but I'd give back a few post 2k shows to experience a show from 93 or 94. Different, not better or worse.
I'm kinda disheartened that so few fans think Dave A and Jack are deserving of the honor.
Is Pearl Jam a better (and I know completely different) live band now or 1994?
NOW. No question whatsoever
Oh come on. PJ has always, ALWAYS been an amazing live act. I enjoy the longer sets and what they've become as a live band, but I'd give back a few post 2k shows to experience a show from 93 or 94. Different, not better or worse.
I'm kinda disheartened that so few fans think Dave A and Jack are deserving of the honor.
My vote goes with jack over Dave. Jack has the second most amount of time behind the kit only behind Matt.
I think it's poor taste for Dave A. to make a comment the day of the list of POSSIBLE inductees, like he wants his due NOW! Let the chips fall dude. See what happens. Great drummer, but in the history of this band, he was a splash in the pan. My three cents. They need to Hit Em' With The Hein.
I think it's poor taste for Dave A. to make a comment the day of the list of POSSIBLE inductees, like he wants his due NOW! Let the chips fall dude. See what happens. Great drummer, but in the history of this band, he was a splash in the pan. My three cents. They need to Hit Em' With The Hein.
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You're quick - I edited in a point about my fucked up feelings about drummers, lol.
I wouldn't say I have an attachment, either. I just don't understand how the hall decides these things. There seems to be little to no reasoning behind it, to be honest.
Is Pearl Jam a better (and I know completely different) live band now or 1994?
NOW. No question whatsoever
Oh come on. PJ has always, ALWAYS been an amazing live act. I enjoy the longer sets and what they've become as a live band, but I'd give back a few post 2k shows to experience a show from 93 or 94. Different, not better or worse.
I'm kinda disheartened that so few fans think Dave A and Jack are deserving of the honor.
I can't speak for others, but I don't really think they aren't deserving of the honour... I just can't muster up the energy to care about it on their behalf, lol, especially since it is true that Dave A and Jack didn't contribute all that much to the actual songs, according to the writing credits. I mean really, when was the last time Pearl Jam had anything happen to them or that they did that wasn't tainted by a whole lot of negativity/controversy for one reason or another? I guess I was just hoping that their long-anticipated induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame - something people have been talking about for years now - could go ahead without a big controversy over something that isn't even in the band's control. I'd really rather not see a fucking boycott or some kind of debate between the band and the HoF happen. What with this whole US election disaster... I don't know if I can take it and a PJ/HoF showdown too.
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Dave A is just upset because he was hoping to get that trophy they give inductees, so he has something to sell on ebay in a few years when he needs the $$$$.
Yes, I'm joking... but I think when you start counting drummers it is a huge mess. Dave A WAS Pearl Jam's drummer during the 3-album-popularity-height whatever you wanna call it even though he didn't drum on the first album. Krusen was the original drummer on the epic debut album etc (something Hall of Fame seems to care a lot about usually, the big debut), but really was hardly in Pearl Jam at all when you look at the 25 years, he was a blip in PJ who just happened to be the drummer in the studio for the first album. His relevance to PJ is less than any of the other 3 drummers if you ask me.
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I think Matt should be the only drummer inducted. He helped them out before any other drummer, and he's been with them the longest. But if you induct Dave K, you open a can of worms for the others.
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I predicted (wrongly) that Matt would be the only drummer inducted w/ the band, and I would have been fine with that. I don't necessarily care that DK gets in, but to me it's an odd inclusion as compared to what DA & JI both brought to the table.
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The Rolling Stones have 8 members inducted.
The Yardbirds have 7, as do Sly and the Family Stone
Grateful Dead have 12.
Parliament Funkadelic have 16.
Fleetwood Mac have 8.
Earth Wind and Fire have 9.
Skynyrd have 9.
and the list goes on.
To me just induct Matt, not Dave K, or induct them all (not Matt Chamberlain).
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Anyway, I simply feel absolutely zero attachment to the ex-drummers of Pearl Jam. To be honest, unless they are John Bonham, I never really feel much of an attachment to drummers. I do love drumming, so I suspect that the issue is indeed that they aren't John Bonham, who I consider the greatest musician of all time. All other drummers just have too much to live up to in my own head, so I don't get too wrapped up in who deserves what credit when it comes to PJ drummers.
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I'm kinda disheartened that so few fans think Dave A and Jack are deserving of the honor.
Drummer on Vs. & Vitalogy, yes he's a complete loser.
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1996- Charleston, SC
1998- Atlanta, GA: Birmingham, AL: Greenville, SC: Knoxville, TN
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2003- Raleigh, NC: Charlotte, NC: Atlanta, GA
2004- Asheville, NC (hometown show)
2006- Cincinnati, OH
2008- Columbia, SC
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2010- Bristow, VA
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2013- Charlotte, NC
2014- Cincinnati, OH
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2022- Smashville
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Yes, I'm joking... but I think when you start counting drummers it is a huge mess. Dave A WAS Pearl Jam's drummer during the 3-album-popularity-height whatever you wanna call it even though he didn't drum on the first album. Krusen was the original drummer on the epic debut album etc (something Hall of Fame seems to care a lot about usually, the big debut), but really was hardly in Pearl Jam at all when you look at the 25 years, he was a blip in PJ who just happened to be the drummer in the studio for the first album. His relevance to PJ is less than any of the other 3 drummers if you ask me.
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