I believe most of PJ's former drummers were in at least 2 successful bands or had steady work. Except for Dave A. Is there a reason. I mean he has a section of the population that loves him. You would think some band would want to tap into that market?
He played on some GnR demoes.
But I don't think the fact that he moved home and worked on smaller scale stuff instead of jumping into another big band says anything.
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if Krusen is inducted since he is a 'founding member', then why was Chad Channing excluded when Nirvana was inducted?
Hopefully PJ will be gracious and mention the other drummers not included.
Great point about Chad Canning, but the RRHOF has always made 'curious' decisions. The inclusion of Krusen over DA or JI doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me either, but whatever.
I'll be shocked if no one gives a shout out to Dave & Jack. I would expect at least a couple of the guys to mention & thank them.
Surely a mention. Probably by Mike.
Eddie couldn't even get Dave A's surname right when they played Angel this summer... I doubt it.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
I think an argument can be made that Krusten's the original drummer, Cameron is THE drummer, and Dave A. and Jack were just temporary fill-in drummers. The "Dave A. was in the band during their height of popularity" argument is a common one to make..but it could have just as well been anyone.
I can't believe so many people can't get over Dave A. He made no difference to this band whatsoever. Vs and Vitalogy would have happened with or without him. Could anyone really imagine that guy drumming for the guys today? Google him, he looks ridiculous like he's never grown from 1992. What about Jack Irons? He is a huge part of this band's evolution....No Code, Yield.
I can't believe so many people can't get over Dave A. He made no difference to this band whatsoever. Vs and Vitalogy would have happened with or without him. Could anyone really imagine that guy drumming for the guys today? Google him, he looks ridiculous like he's never grown from 1992. Dave A is a carnivore and that did not help him gel with PJ. I think they called him the "Burger King". Just sayin.
In a change of tradition, the Hall of Fame has announced the individual members of each band that will be honored. Pearl Jam have had five drummers, but only current drummer Matt Cameron and founding member Dave Krusen will be inducted should they make it in
I suspect I'm in the minority, but I agree with that call.
i agree with this as well...that rule simplifies complex issues like Pearl Jam has...im a Jack Irons fan for many reasons but luckily he is in with RHCP
I'm in the minority as well. Agree with you both
I agree as well
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I can't believe so many people can't get over Dave A. He made no difference to this band whatsoever. Vs and Vitalogy would have happened with or without him. Could anyone really imagine that guy drumming for the guys today? Google him, he looks ridiculous like he's never grown from 1992. What about Jack Irons? He is a huge part of this band's evolution....No Code, Yield.
I'm with you...... I like VS & Vitalogy as much as anyone, but I think DA & his contributions to the band are way over romanticized on this forum.
Jack Irons is responsible for this band getting together & keeping it together a few years later for No Code & Yield, but people act like DA was the second coming of Christ & the band is worse off without him.
I can't believe so many people can't get over Dave A. He made no difference to this band whatsoever. Vs and Vitalogy would have happened with or without him. Could anyone really imagine that guy drumming for the guys today? Google him, he looks ridiculous like he's never grown from 1992. What about Jack Irons? He is a huge part of this band's evolution....No Code, Yield.
I'm with you...... I like VS & Vitalogy as much as anyone, but I think DA & his contributions to the band are way over romanticized on this forum.
Jack Irons is responsible for this band getting together & keeping it together a few years later for No Code & Yield, but people act like DA was the second coming of Christ & the band is worse off without him.
Like him or not, the lineup with him is half the reason they're being inducted. Stuff like Go, RVM, Leash etc would've seriously lacked a lot of the drive that made them great songs without him. Also, it always comes back to live shows with PJ and his intensity as a drummer helped the band keep up with EV as a frontman. People that are shortchanging him have no real understanding of band dynamics and the effect that a drummer can have and/or are blinded by their EV mancrush.
Of course, gotta have Matt. It would be nice to have Jack on too, and No Code and Yield are among their best albums, but that was when they started going downhill popularity wise. I think Jack should be in, but I could sorta understand the argument.
I think it's poor taste for Dave A. to make a comment the day of the list of POSSIBLE inductees, like he wants his due NOW! Let the chips fall dude. See what happens. Great drummer, but in the history of this band, he was a splash in the pan. My three cents. They need to Hit Em' With The Hein.
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I think it's poor taste for Dave A. to make a comment the day of the list of POSSIBLE inductees, like he wants his due NOW! Let the chips fall dude. See what happens. Great drummer, but in the history of this band, he was a splash in the pan. My three cents. They need to Hit Em' With The Hein.
This probably wont be interesting. I dont see any kind of response coming from the band (i hope not anyway). Like i said the RRHOF always seems to start more fights than it does heal old ones.
I think an argument can be made that Krusten's the original drummer, Cameron is THE drummer, and Dave A. and Jack were just temporary fill-in drummers. The "Dave A. was in the band during their height of popularity" argument is a common one to make..but it could have just as well been anyone.
Could have been anyone being the original drummer, could have been anyone from 98 and forward.
I get why they chose Krusen/Cameron. But it's pretty weird when Grohl was chosen for Nirvana but not also the original drummer. Maybe the bands have a say in this?
Anyway.
I think they should just nominate the Artist/Band and not care about specifik members.
PEARL JAM/KISS whatever is inducted.
Then the band will choose who will pick up the award and who they think are a part of the winning.
Who cares about the specifik members anyways – what's the point. isn't a band chosen for it's legacy and place in the history of "rock". Don't see the point in chosen anything other than the band as a whole.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
To me the concept of the RRHOF was pretty cool in the beginning. The execution has become cumbersome, sloppy and disjointed as the years have passed. The inclusion of questionable acts as well as the making up of rules changes seemingly on the fly has turned this organization into somewhat of a clown show.
Jack Irons is responsible for this band getting together & keeping it together a few years later for No Code & Yield,
...speaking of romanticising.
Well, Jack Irons gave the demo tape to EV, so that's a fact, I'm not romanticizing the past. If not for him, EV never gets the demos tape.
As far as him saving the band, don't take my word for it:
"The band’s plan to record on the road—Chicago, New Orleans, Seattle, Atlanta—while still stringing together Ticketmaster-less shows only stretched the frayed bonds of communication further. But this time Irons was on hand to hold the center together. “Everybody was on their best musical behavior around him,” producer Brendan O’Brien admitted to Spin. McCready called him a “big spiritual influence—if not the biggest.”
Irons wasn’t just massaging bruised egos. His loose, tribal drumming style was creating an entirely new terrain for the rest of the band to stretch out on. “We realized we had a chance to experiment,” Vedder told Spin. But what was happening in the studio was more akin to an outright reinvention."
Gossard almost quit after Vitaolgy, Ament almost quit during the onset of the No Code sessions - multiple members of the band credit JI with keeping them together.
So how am I romanticizing his contribution exactly?
if Krusen is inducted since he is a 'founding member', then why was Chad Channing excluded when Nirvana was inducted?
Hopefully PJ will be gracious and mention the other drummers not included.
Great point about Chad Canning, but the RRHOF has always made 'curious' decisions. The inclusion of Krusen over DA or JI doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me either, but whatever.
I'll be shocked if no one gives a shout out to Dave & Jack. I would expect at least a couple of the guys to mention & thank them.
Surely a mention. Probably by Mike.
I think Stone should thank Dave A just like he did at the MTV awards, and let the rest of the band look at him oddly in jest, re-enacting their reactions at that awards show. That would be gold.
And call him Dave Abbrellezze like is written on the Ten liner notes.
I think the hall missed the mark on this one (as they do OFTEN). I think as far as drummers go, Krusen made the least impact on the band out of the other main 3. Sure, he was on the band's most popular album (and my favourite), but the drumming that put the band over the top are, in my order:
Dave A Matt Cameron Jack Irons
Matt Cameron's contributions in terms of songwriting, however, top all of them. I would have thought it would make more sense if they only inducted Matt, and leave Krusen off. You could make a case for Matt and Matt only. But adding Krusen and leaving the others behind? Weaker case in my opinion.
I wouldn't even consider Chamberlain.
Jack isn't being excluded because he is in with RHCP. Many people get inducted with many bands and also as solo artists.
And no, Boom is not an official member. He's a touring member.
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I can't believe people even care about Dave A getting in. He's nothing. Not a good song writer and an average drummer at best. He could NEVER play the shows we've come to expect from PJ now. NEVER.
He wrote Go.
I like Go.
Go is better than any song I've ever written.
He kinda had a hand in writing Glorfied G, too.
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But I don't think the fact that he moved home and worked on smaller scale stuff instead of jumping into another big band says anything.
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What about Jack Irons? He is a huge part of this band's evolution....No Code, Yield.
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Jack Irons is responsible for this band getting together & keeping it together a few years later for No Code & Yield, but people act like DA was the second coming of Christ & the band is worse off without him.
Personally I think the band got better after DA.
Of course, gotta have Matt. It would be nice to have Jack on too, and No Code and Yield are among their best albums, but that was when they started going downhill popularity wise. I think Jack should be in, but I could sorta understand the argument.
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I get why they chose Krusen/Cameron. But it's pretty weird when Grohl was chosen for Nirvana but not also the original drummer. Maybe the bands have a say in this?
Anyway.
I think they should just nominate the Artist/Band and not care about specifik members.
PEARL JAM/KISS whatever is inducted.
Then the band will choose who will pick up the award and who they think are a part of the winning.
Who cares about the specifik members anyways – what's the point. isn't a band chosen for it's legacy and place in the history of "rock". Don't see the point in chosen anything other than the band as a whole.
As far as him saving the band, don't take my word for it:
"The band’s plan to record on the road—Chicago, New Orleans, Seattle, Atlanta—while still stringing together Ticketmaster-less shows only stretched the frayed bonds of communication further. But this time Irons was on hand to hold the center together. “Everybody was on their best musical behavior around him,” producer Brendan O’Brien admitted to Spin. McCready called him a “big spiritual influence—if not the biggest.”
Irons wasn’t just massaging bruised egos. His loose, tribal drumming style was creating an entirely new terrain for the rest of the band to stretch out on. “We realized we had a chance to experiment,” Vedder told Spin. But what was happening in the studio was more akin to an outright reinvention."
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Gossard almost quit after Vitaolgy, Ament almost quit during the onset of the No Code sessions - multiple members of the band credit JI with keeping them together.
So how am I romanticizing his contribution exactly?
And call him Dave Abbrellezze like is written on the Ten liner notes.
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Dave A
Matt Cameron
Jack Irons
Matt Cameron's contributions in terms of songwriting, however, top all of them. I would have thought it would make more sense if they only inducted Matt, and leave Krusen off. You could make a case for Matt and Matt only. But adding Krusen and leaving the others behind? Weaker case in my opinion.
I wouldn't even consider Chamberlain.
Jack isn't being excluded because he is in with RHCP. Many people get inducted with many bands and also as solo artists.
And no, Boom is not an official member. He's a touring member.
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