Only 2 Drummers Get In? RnRHOF. Merged

HughFreakingDillon

jeffbr said:

rbrum7 said:

I don't think it's any surprise to anyone who actually knows the history of the band somewhat, that they don't like Dave based on the type of person he is and the way he acted towards the members of the band.

I don't want to get all political here or crush the dreams of any conservatives out there, but the band as a whole doesn't care much for conservatives, let alone get along with them.

I was waiting for this. LOL. when Ed inducted the Ramones, Joey fucking said "god bless george bush" with Ed standing right beside him. you don't get much more conservative than that.

rbrum7

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

rbrum7 said:

I don't think it's any surprise to anyone who actually knows the history of the band somewhat, that they don't like Dave based on the type of person he is and the way he acted towards the members of the band.

I don't want to get all political here or crush the dreams of any conservatives out there, but the band as a whole doesn't care much for conservatives, let alone get along with them.

I was waiting for this. LOL. when Ed inducted the Ramones, Joey fucking said "god bless george bush" with Ed standing right beside him. you don't get much more conservative than that.

Big difference, Joey was an idol/icon to him. Dave was some guy who started off as a fill in for drummer and ended up staying for 2 more albums.

HughFreakingDillon

rbrum7 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

rbrum7 said:

I don't think it's any surprise to anyone who actually knows the history of the band somewhat, that they don't like Dave based on the type of person he is and the way he acted towards the members of the band.

I don't want to get all political here or crush the dreams of any conservatives out there, but the band as a whole doesn't care much for conservatives, let alone get along with them.

I was waiting for this. LOL. when Ed inducted the Ramones, Joey fucking said "god bless george bush" with Ed standing right beside him. you don't get much more conservative than that.

Big difference, Joey was an idol/icon to him. Dave was some guy who started off as a fill in for drummer and ended up staying for 2 more albums.

and I quote:

"..but the band as a whole doesn't care much for conservatives, let alone get along with them".

rbrum7

HughFreakingDillon said:

rbrum7 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

rbrum7 said:

I don't think it's any surprise to anyone who actually knows the history of the band somewhat, that they don't like Dave based on the type of person he is and the way he acted towards the members of the band.

I don't want to get all political here or crush the dreams of any conservatives out there, but the band as a whole doesn't care much for conservatives, let alone get along with them.

I was waiting for this. LOL. when Ed inducted the Ramones, Joey fucking said "god bless george bush" with Ed standing right beside him. you don't get much more conservative than that.

Big difference, Joey was an idol/icon to him. Dave was some guy who started off as a fill in for drummer and ended up staying for 2 more albums.

and I quote:

"..but the band as a whole doesn't care much for conservatives, let alone get along with them".

Yes, doesn't 'care MUCH'. If you want to say a statement is a blanket statement and covers all instances, then we aren't going to agree on anything.

Ok, you have Joey Ramone to throw out there. Everyone is aware of that. What else can you come up with?

lolobugg

rbrum7 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

rbrum7 said:

I don't think it's any surprise to anyone who actually knows the history of the band somewhat, that they don't like Dave based on the type of person he is and the way he acted towards the members of the band.

I don't want to get all political here or crush the dreams of any conservatives out there, but the band as a whole doesn't care much for conservatives, let alone get along with them.

I was waiting for this. LOL. when Ed inducted the Ramones, Joey fucking said "god bless george bush" with Ed standing right beside him. you don't get much more conservative than that.

Big difference, Joey was an idol/icon to him. Dave was some guy who started off as a fill in for drummer and ended up staying for 2 more albums.

That's Johnny Ramone......not Joey. Joey was a huge liberal.

HughFreakingDillon

rbrum7 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rbrum7 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

rbrum7 said:

I don't think it's any surprise to anyone who actually knows the history of the band somewhat, that they don't like Dave based on the type of person he is and the way he acted towards the members of the band.

I don't want to get all political here or crush the dreams of any conservatives out there, but the band as a whole doesn't care much for conservatives, let alone get along with them.

I was waiting for this. LOL. when Ed inducted the Ramones, Joey fucking said "god bless george bush" with Ed standing right beside him. you don't get much more conservative than that.

Big difference, Joey was an idol/icon to him. Dave was some guy who started off as a fill in for drummer and ended up staying for 2 more albums.

and I quote:

"..but the band as a whole doesn't care much for conservatives, let alone get along with them".

Yes, doesn't 'care MUCH'. If you want to say a statement is a blanket statement and covers all instances, then we aren't going to agree on anything.

Ok, you have Joey Ramone to throw out there. Everyone is aware of that. What else can you come up with?

nothing. I don't know any of their friends. My point is I think it would be weird for anyone, musician or not, to surround themselves with only others who share the same particular political leanings.

HughFreakingDillon

lolobugg said:

rbrum7 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

rbrum7 said:

I don't think it's any surprise to anyone who actually knows the history of the band somewhat, that they don't like Dave based on the type of person he is and the way he acted towards the members of the band.

I don't want to get all political here or crush the dreams of any conservatives out there, but the band as a whole doesn't care much for conservatives, let alone get along with them.

I was waiting for this. LOL. when Ed inducted the Ramones, Joey fucking said "god bless george bush" with Ed standing right beside him. you don't get much more conservative than that.

Big difference, Joey was an idol/icon to him. Dave was some guy who started off as a fill in for drummer and ended up staying for 2 more albums.

That's Johnny Ramone......not Joey. Joey was a huge liberal.

yeah, my bad, johnny.

Merkin Baller

rbrum7 said:

I don't think it's any surprise to anyone who actually knows the history of the band somewhat, that they don't like Dave based on the type of person he is and the way he acted towards the members of the band.

I don't want to get all political here or crush the dreams of any conservatives out there, but the band as a whole doesn't care much for conservatives, let alone get along with them. Read PJ20. Research what Glorified G was written about. He was a conservative minded dude from Texas and he didn't fit in with a bunch of liberal dudes from Seattle.

I'm sure every conservative that reads this will get bent out of shape, but the band is extremely liberal.

I'm not saying he won't be at the rock hall because of his views, but his views and actions back in the mid 90's caused enough friction between him and the band that they booted him and haven't included him in shit like they have like Jack Irons or collaborated with him or spoke fondly of him. I think if you look in the archives, the only time they've mentioned him prominently over the past 20 years is to say Angel was written by him when it was played this summer.

Look, I enjoyed Dave's powerful style drumming and wish they still had that backbone (even though I love Matt Cameron), but let's face it, the band doesn't care for him.

Agreed..... i think if you're expecting DA to be there, you haven't been paying attention over the last 22 years.

SHOULD he be there? We could debate this non-stop, but the fact is, very few people, if anyone at all outside of those 5 guys know the whole story behind his departure from the band, so all we can do is speculate.

Considering the band has persevered for 20+ years since kicking him out, I think they made the right decision.

rbrum7

HughFreakingDillon said:

rbrum7 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rbrum7 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

rbrum7 said:

I don't think it's any surprise to anyone who actually knows the history of the band somewhat, that they don't like Dave based on the type of person he is and the way he acted towards the members of the band.

I don't want to get all political here or crush the dreams of any conservatives out there, but the band as a whole doesn't care much for conservatives, let alone get along with them.

I was waiting for this. LOL. when Ed inducted the Ramones, Joey fucking said "god bless george bush" with Ed standing right beside him. you don't get much more conservative than that.

Big difference, Joey was an idol/icon to him. Dave was some guy who started off as a fill in for drummer and ended up staying for 2 more albums.

and I quote:

"..but the band as a whole doesn't care much for conservatives, let alone get along with them".

Yes, doesn't 'care MUCH'. If you want to say a statement is a blanket statement and covers all instances, then we aren't going to agree on anything.

Ok, you have Joey Ramone to throw out there. Everyone is aware of that. What else can you come up with?

nothing. I don't know any of their friends. My point is I think it would be weird for anyone, musician or not, to surround themselves with only others who share the same particular political leanings.

I agree 100% with you on that one. I just know he rubbed them the wrong way, partly because of his views and that's well documented. I myself am Liberal and surround myself with all different view points.

Merkin Baller

Merkin Baller said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Merkin Baller said:

Jack Irons is responsible for this band getting together & keeping it together a few years later for No Code & Yield,

...speaking of romanticising.

Well, Jack Irons gave the demo tape to EV, so that's a fact, I'm not romanticizing the past. If not for him, EV never gets the demos tape.

As far as him saving the band, don't take my word for it:

"The band’s plan to record on the road—Chicago, New Orleans, Seattle, Atlanta—while still stringing together Ticketmaster-less shows only stretched the frayed bonds of communication further. But this time Irons was on hand to hold the center together. “Everybody was on their best musical behavior around him,” producer Brendan O’Brien admitted to Spin. McCready called him a “big spiritual influence—if not the biggest.”

Irons wasn’t just massaging bruised egos. His loose, tribal drumming style was creating an entirely new terrain for the rest of the band to stretch out on. “We realized we had a chance to experiment,” Vedder told Spin. But what was happening in the studio was more akin to an outright reinvention."

( http://www.avclub.com/article/trampled-moss-and-sitars-pearl-jams-tricky-transfo-240770 )

Gossard almost quit after Vitaolgy, Ament almost quit during the onset of the No Code sessions - multiple members of the band credit JI with keeping them together.

So how am I romanticizing his contribution exactly?

No response, Spiritual Chaos?

HughFreakingDillon

Merkin Baller said:

rbrum7 said:

I don't think it's any surprise to anyone who actually knows the history of the band somewhat, that they don't like Dave based on the type of person he is and the way he acted towards the members of the band.

I don't want to get all political here or crush the dreams of any conservatives out there, but the band as a whole doesn't care much for conservatives, let alone get along with them. Read PJ20. Research what Glorified G was written about. He was a conservative minded dude from Texas and he didn't fit in with a bunch of liberal dudes from Seattle.

I'm sure every conservative that reads this will get bent out of shape, but the band is extremely liberal.

I'm not saying he won't be at the rock hall because of his views, but his views and actions back in the mid 90's caused enough friction between him and the band that they booted him and haven't included him in shit like they have like Jack Irons or collaborated with him or spoke fondly of him. I think if you look in the archives, the only time they've mentioned him prominently over the past 20 years is to say Angel was written by him when it was played this summer.

Look, I enjoyed Dave's powerful style drumming and wish they still had that backbone (even though I love Matt Cameron), but let's face it, the band doesn't care for him.

Agreed..... i think if you're expecting DA to be there, you haven't been paying attention over the last 22 years.

SHOULD he be there? We could debate this non-stop, but the fact is, very few people, if anyone at all outside of those 5 guys know the whole story behind his departure from the band, so all we can do is speculate.

Considering the band has persevered for 20+ years since kicking him out, I think they made the right decision.

Mustaine and Metallica had a far more acrimonious split than PJ and Dave A did, and Mustaine was there. And Newsted freaking performed with them after a pretty nasty split with them as well (Lars making fun of bass players who play with picks, etc). It wouldn't be weird at all for them to invite all their past drummers. The band just played Angel over the summer, mentioned Dave, and said he "wishes him well".

I don't think anyone is "expecting" Dave to be there, but it wouldn't be odd if he was.

HughFreakingDillon

it doesn't matter if Jack was responsible for keeping them together. the hall has nothing to do with that. if it did, they'd have to induct managers, wives, friends, yoga instructors, psychologists, Metallica's therapist, etc, etc.

Merkin Baller

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

rbrum7 said:

I don't think it's any surprise to anyone who actually knows the history of the band somewhat, that they don't like Dave based on the type of person he is and the way he acted towards the members of the band.

I don't want to get all political here or crush the dreams of any conservatives out there, but the band as a whole doesn't care much for conservatives, let alone get along with them. Read PJ20. Research what Glorified G was written about. He was a conservative minded dude from Texas and he didn't fit in with a bunch of liberal dudes from Seattle.

I'm sure every conservative that reads this will get bent out of shape, but the band is extremely liberal.

I'm not saying he won't be at the rock hall because of his views, but his views and actions back in the mid 90's caused enough friction between him and the band that they booted him and haven't included him in shit like they have like Jack Irons or collaborated with him or spoke fondly of him. I think if you look in the archives, the only time they've mentioned him prominently over the past 20 years is to say Angel was written by him when it was played this summer.

Look, I enjoyed Dave's powerful style drumming and wish they still had that backbone (even though I love Matt Cameron), but let's face it, the band doesn't care for him.

Agreed..... i think if you're expecting DA to be there, you haven't been paying attention over the last 22 years.

SHOULD he be there? We could debate this non-stop, but the fact is, very few people, if anyone at all outside of those 5 guys know the whole story behind his departure from the band, so all we can do is speculate.

Considering the band has persevered for 20+ years since kicking him out, I think they made the right decision.

Mustaine and Metallica had a far more acrimonious split than PJ and Dave A did, and Mustaine was there. And Newsted freaking performed with them after a pretty nasty split with them as well (Lars making fun of bass players who play with picks, etc). It wouldn't be weird at all for them to invite all their past drummers. The band just played Angel over the summer, mentioned Dave, and said he "wishes him well".

I don't think anyone is "expecting" Dave to be there, but it wouldn't be odd if he was.

Touché.

tweedyfanjen

I dunno, I still think it would be odd.

Merkin Baller

HughFreakingDillon said:

it doesn't matter if Jack was responsible for keeping them together. the hall has nothing to do with that. if it did, they'd have to induct managers, wives, friends, yoga instructors, psychologists, Metallica's therapist, etc, etc.

My comment was in response to SC who said I romanticized JI's role in the band.

I'm not saying JI deserves to be inducted w/ the band, I'm saying DA's contribution is way overstated as compared to JI.

I'm surprised ANY drummers besides Cameron are getting in.

lolobugg

not sure they would have enough room on stage for all of his cymbals.

cp3iverson

our conversations and debates are hilarious

Will these four 52 year olds let this other 50 year old that they knew in their 20s jam with them???

cp3iverson

Ill just say im happy for dave krusen. Hes been a cool dude throughout history.

Dave A loved the fans. He was like Mike x10. I have no clue if he was an awful coworker or not tho.

HughFreakingDillon

tweedyfanjen said:

I dunno, I still think it would be odd.

for him to be sitting in the crowd? CJ Ramone was. Chad Channing was. Dave Mustaine was.

Merkin Baller

cp3iverson said:

Ill just say im happy for dave krusen. Hes been a cool dude throughout history.

Dave A loved the fans. He was like Mike x10. I have no clue if he was an awful coworker or not tho.

Agree on both points.

I met Krusen after a Unified Theory gig many years ago, and he was a really nice guy.

DA definitely seemed to enjoy being with the band, but I don't know what happened behind the scenes.