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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    unsung said:

    It isn't, you'd probably lose that bet.

    I assume you must live on a farm and not in town. You must have a well, a spring, and own a natural gas well too.
    Hahaha how much food do you grow? How many chickens you keep? Got some goats? Pigs? Cattle? I don't keep cattle, too much land is needed for grazing, I only have 5 acres, I get plenty of milk from the goats and meat from the pigs anyways. Own your own business? That one I wouldn't have much trouble believing.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    :lol:
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    It's not really worth my time discussing anything with you because no matter what I can't convince a bootlicker not to like the taste of leather.

    The mere idea that people can't run their own lives without a ruling class to tell them what to do is ludicrous and despite my attempts to illustrate such you prefer to come back with stupid replies like "move to Somalia".

    In other words you bore me.

    You're trying to deny basic human nature. If left alone with no government, say on Monday it was completely eliminated. After our 4 day Libertarian party, we're all going to start organizing in groups, and people being people, we'll sometimes do things to step on others toes. Naturally we're going to come up with a set of rules and a way to enforce these rules. All animals do this. What the rules are and how they are enforced is where the debate needs to happen. You go so far out there that you're trying to say everyone makes there own rules. I'm assuming this a big part of your own identity which is why you hold onto it so strongly.
    Bingo.

    Finally.

    Rules, no rulers. Do you understand how you can have one without the other?
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,539
    unsung said:

    Where do you guys keep coming up with this Libertarian thing? Because I'm not a Democrat or Republican I'm a Libertarian now? If I were I'd vote for Johnson, but I'm not voting.

    That's a dodge of my point. Can we say Quasi-Libertarianesque? Don't fixate on the label, were just talking about you thoughts as an individual and not what label they fit into.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    unsung said:

    Where do you guys keep coming up with this Libertarian thing? Because I'm not a Democrat or Republican I'm a Libertarian now? If I were I'd vote for Johnson, but I'm not voting.

    Because I don't want to sully myself with the A word lol
    I'm guessing you're an An-Cap?
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    It's not really worth my time discussing anything with you because no matter what I can't convince a bootlicker not to like the taste of leather.

    The mere idea that people can't run their own lives without a ruling class to tell them what to do is ludicrous and despite my attempts to illustrate such you prefer to come back with stupid replies like "move to Somalia".

    In other words you bore me.

    You're trying to deny basic human nature. If left alone with no government, say on Monday it was completely eliminated. After our 4 day Libertarian party, we're all going to start organizing in groups, and people being people, we'll sometimes do things to step on others toes. Naturally we're going to come up with a set of rules and a way to enforce these rules. All animals do this. What the rules are and how they are enforced is where the debate needs to happen. You go so far out there that you're trying to say everyone makes there own rules. I'm assuming this a big part of your own identity which is why you hold onto it so strongly.
    Bingo.

    Finally.

    Rules, no rulers. Do you understand how you can have one without the other?
    The people who enforce the rules are rulers. That's pretty simple isn't it?
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    It's not really worth my time discussing anything with you because no matter what I can't convince a bootlicker not to like the taste of leather.

    The mere idea that people can't run their own lives without a ruling class to tell them what to do is ludicrous and despite my attempts to illustrate such you prefer to come back with stupid replies like "move to Somalia".

    In other words you bore me.

    You're trying to deny basic human nature. If left alone with no government, say on Monday it was completely eliminated. After our 4 day Libertarian party, we're all going to start organizing in groups, and people being people, we'll sometimes do things to step on others toes. Naturally we're going to come up with a set of rules and a way to enforce these rules. All animals do this. What the rules are and how they are enforced is where the debate needs to happen. You go so far out there that you're trying to say everyone makes there own rules. I'm assuming this a big part of your own identity which is why you hold onto it so strongly.
    Bingo.

    Finally.

    Rules, no rulers. Do you understand how you can have one without the other?
    The people who enforce the rules are rulers. That's pretty simple isn't it?
    What if everyone enforced the rule
    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    Where do you guys keep coming up with this Libertarian thing? Because I'm not a Democrat or Republican I'm a Libertarian now? If I were I'd vote for Johnson, but I'm not voting.

    Because I don't want to sully myself with the A word lol
    I'm guessing you're an An-Cap?
    There's nothing wrong with that word.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    It's not really worth my time discussing anything with you because no matter what I can't convince a bootlicker not to like the taste of leather.

    The mere idea that people can't run their own lives without a ruling class to tell them what to do is ludicrous and despite my attempts to illustrate such you prefer to come back with stupid replies like "move to Somalia".

    In other words you bore me.

    You're trying to deny basic human nature. If left alone with no government, say on Monday it was completely eliminated. After our 4 day Libertarian party, we're all going to start organizing in groups, and people being people, we'll sometimes do things to step on others toes. Naturally we're going to come up with a set of rules and a way to enforce these rules. All animals do this. What the rules are and how they are enforced is where the debate needs to happen. You go so far out there that you're trying to say everyone makes there own rules. I'm assuming this a big part of your own identity which is why you hold onto it so strongly.
    Bingo.

    Finally.

    Rules, no rulers. Do you understand how you can have one without the other?
    The people who enforce the rules are rulers. That's pretty simple isn't it?
    Not if done equally. Who rules when everyone has an equal voice?
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Where do you guys keep coming up with this Libertarian thing? Because I'm not a Democrat or Republican I'm a Libertarian now? If I were I'd vote for Johnson, but I'm not voting.

    That's a dodge of my point. Can we say Quasi-Libertarianesque? Don't fixate on the label, were just talking about you thoughts as an individual and not what label they fit into.
    But I find the need to defend my stance when I'm labeled a such.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    It isn't, you'd probably lose that bet.

    I assume you must live on a farm and not in town. You must have a well, a spring, and own a natural gas well too.
    Hahaha how much food do you grow? How many chickens you keep? Got some goats? Pigs? Cattle? I don't keep cattle, too much land is needed for grazing, I only have 5 acres, I get plenty of milk from the goats and meat from the pigs anyways. Own your own business? That one I wouldn't have much trouble believing.
    Well, if true good on you. It's a great step to take and very fulfilling.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    unsung said:

    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    It's not really worth my time discussing anything with you because no matter what I can't convince a bootlicker not to like the taste of leather.

    The mere idea that people can't run their own lives without a ruling class to tell them what to do is ludicrous and despite my attempts to illustrate such you prefer to come back with stupid replies like "move to Somalia".

    In other words you bore me.

    You're trying to deny basic human nature. If left alone with no government, say on Monday it was completely eliminated. After our 4 day Libertarian party, we're all going to start organizing in groups, and people being people, we'll sometimes do things to step on others toes. Naturally we're going to come up with a set of rules and a way to enforce these rules. All animals do this. What the rules are and how they are enforced is where the debate needs to happen. You go so far out there that you're trying to say everyone makes there own rules. I'm assuming this a big part of your own identity which is why you hold onto it so strongly.
    Bingo.

    Finally.

    Rules, no rulers. Do you understand how you can have one without the other?
    The people who enforce the rules are rulers. That's pretty simple isn't it?
    What if everyone enforced the rule
    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    Where do you guys keep coming up with this Libertarian thing? Because I'm not a Democrat or Republican I'm a Libertarian now? If I were I'd vote for Johnson, but I'm not voting.

    Because I don't want to sully myself with the A word lol
    I'm guessing you're an An-Cap?
    There's nothing wrong with that word.
    I just don't see any evidence that it's possible. My wife likes ancap art, she has a deeply idealistic and romantic heart, but she's a physician so her head is more pragmatic and realist.

    The A word is worse to me than the C word.
    Communism lol not the other one
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    edited October 2016
    unsung said:

    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    It isn't, you'd probably lose that bet.

    I assume you must live on a farm and not in town. You must have a well, a spring, and own a natural gas well too.
    Hahaha how much food do you grow? How many chickens you keep? Got some goats? Pigs? Cattle? I don't keep cattle, too much land is needed for grazing, I only have 5 acres, I get plenty of milk from the goats and meat from the pigs anyways. Own your own business? That one I wouldn't have much trouble believing.
    Well, if true good on you. It's a great step to take and very fulfilling.
    True indeed, farm gets better every year. Thanks, it is VERY fulfilling.
    Goats are Nigerian dwarfs, 2 does and a wether. Lois, Meg, and Peter. Breed them out alternately each year with a dwarf stud service (yes, that's a real thing lol) in Bergholz and sell the kids.
    The chickens are dual purpose breed, Rhode Island Red about a dozen hens and 1 rooster. They don't get names because we eat them when they start laying lazy. The rooster is Shakespeare.
    Buy 2 feeder pigs in March and butcher in late May usually. Duroc usually, depends what they have at the Carrolton livestock auction when I go. I usually call one Hamm and the other Bacon.
    The garden is my pride, it grows every year and I surpassed 2.5 tons of produce for the first time this year. That's less than it sounds, a single zucchini plant can give you more than 50 lbs!

    I can brag on my little farm all day, I should have a blog like everyone else lol
    Post edited by rgambs on
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    It's not really worth my time discussing anything with you because no matter what I can't convince a bootlicker not to like the taste of leather.

    The mere idea that people can't run their own lives without a ruling class to tell them what to do is ludicrous and despite my attempts to illustrate such you prefer to come back with stupid replies like "move to Somalia".

    In other words you bore me.

    You're trying to deny basic human nature. If left alone with no government, say on Monday it was completely eliminated. After our 4 day Libertarian party, we're all going to start organizing in groups, and people being people, we'll sometimes do things to step on others toes. Naturally we're going to come up with a set of rules and a way to enforce these rules. All animals do this. What the rules are and how they are enforced is where the debate needs to happen. You go so far out there that you're trying to say everyone makes there own rules. I'm assuming this a big part of your own identity which is why you hold onto it so strongly.
    Bingo.

    Finally.

    Rules, no rulers. Do you understand how you can have one without the other?
    The people who enforce the rules are rulers. That's pretty simple isn't it?
    What if everyone enforced the rule
    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    Where do you guys keep coming up with this Libertarian thing? Because I'm not a Democrat or Republican I'm a Libertarian now? If I were I'd vote for Johnson, but I'm not voting.

    Because I don't want to sully myself with the A word lol
    I'm guessing you're an An-Cap?
    There's nothing wrong with that word.
    I just don't see any evidence that it's possible. My wife likes ancap art, she has a deeply idealistic and romantic heart, but she's a physician so her head is more pragmatic and realist.

    The A word is worse to me than the C word.
    Communism lol not the other one
    You may be mistaken in the correct definition.
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    It isn't, you'd probably lose that bet.

    I assume you must live on a farm and not in town. You must have a well, a spring, and own a natural gas well too.
    Hahaha how much food do you grow? How many chickens you keep? Got some goats? Pigs? Cattle? I don't keep cattle, too much land is needed for grazing, I only have 5 acres, I get plenty of milk from the goats and meat from the pigs anyways. Own your own business? That one I wouldn't have much trouble believing.
    Well, if true good on you. It's a great step to take and very fulfilling.
    True indeed, farm gets better every year. Thanks, it is VERY fulfilling.
    Goats are Nigerian dwarfs, 2 does and a wether. Lois, Meg, and Peter. Breed them out alternately each year with a dwarf stud service (yes, that's a real thing lol) in Bergholz and sell the kids.
    The chickens are dual purpose breed, Rhode Island Red about a dozen hens and 1 rooster. They don't get names because we eat them when they start laying lazy. The rooster is Shakespeare.
    Buy 2 feeder pigs in March and butcher in late May usually. Duroc usually, depends what they have at the Carrolton livestock auction when I go. I usually call one Hamm and the other Bacon.
    The garden is my pride, it grows every year and I surpassed 2.5 tons of produce for the first time this year. That's less than it sounds, a single zucchini plant can give you more than 50 lbs!

    I can brag on my little farm all day, I should have a blog like everyone else lol
    I sincerely fucking love this, gambo.

    And this kind of life is tempting to me for sure. We're happy in our little condo and life in the city, but to have land and animals and be less dependent on other sources? Sounds really nice.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    hedonist said:

    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    It isn't, you'd probably lose that bet.

    I assume you must live on a farm and not in town. You must have a well, a spring, and own a natural gas well too.
    Hahaha how much food do you grow? How many chickens you keep? Got some goats? Pigs? Cattle? I don't keep cattle, too much land is needed for grazing, I only have 5 acres, I get plenty of milk from the goats and meat from the pigs anyways. Own your own business? That one I wouldn't have much trouble believing.
    Well, if true good on you. It's a great step to take and very fulfilling.
    True indeed, farm gets better every year. Thanks, it is VERY fulfilling.
    Goats are Nigerian dwarfs, 2 does and a wether. Lois, Meg, and Peter. Breed them out alternately each year with a dwarf stud service (yes, that's a real thing lol) in Bergholz and sell the kids.
    The chickens are dual purpose breed, Rhode Island Red about a dozen hens and 1 rooster. They don't get names because we eat them when they start laying lazy. The rooster is Shakespeare.
    Buy 2 feeder pigs in March and butcher in late May usually. Duroc usually, depends what they have at the Carrolton livestock auction when I go. I usually call one Hamm and the other Bacon.
    The garden is my pride, it grows every year and I surpassed 2.5 tons of produce for the first time this year. That's less than it sounds, a single zucchini plant can give you more than 50 lbs!

    I can brag on my little farm all day, I should have a blog like everyone else lol
    I sincerely fucking love this, gambo.

    And this kind of life is tempting to me for sure. We're happy in our little condo and life in the city, but to have land and animals and be less dependent on other sources? Sounds really nice.
    I know some people manage it while working full time as well, but I don't understand how.
    I have a hard time keeping up... It will be better when Simon is old enough to help, right now he still a hindrance lol
    Tonight's main chore is chopping a bushel of hot and mild peppers to freeze for eggs, soups, chili, and fajitas in the winter. Every day there is something to do and when we take vacation we have to pay and cajole people to feed and water the hens and goats...
    I love it though, and Becca enjoys the fruits of the labor even though she gets tired of me leaving her with Simon to go muck the pens, mow the lawn, turn the compost, etc etc
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    It isn't, you'd probably lose that bet.

    I assume you must live on a farm and not in town. You must have a well, a spring, and own a natural gas well too.
    Hahaha how much food do you grow? How many chickens you keep? Got some goats? Pigs? Cattle? I don't keep cattle, too much land is needed for grazing, I only have 5 acres, I get plenty of milk from the goats and meat from the pigs anyways. Own your own business? That one I wouldn't have much trouble believing.
    Well, if true good on you. It's a great step to take and very fulfilling.
    True indeed, farm gets better every year. Thanks, it is VERY fulfilling.
    Goats are Nigerian dwarfs, 2 does and a wether. Lois, Meg, and Peter. Breed them out alternately each year with a dwarf stud service (yes, that's a real thing lol) in Bergholz and sell the kids.
    The chickens are dual purpose breed, Rhode Island Red about a dozen hens and 1 rooster. They don't get names because we eat them when they start laying lazy. The rooster is Shakespeare.
    Buy 2 feeder pigs in March and butcher in late May usually. Duroc usually, depends what they have at the Carrolton livestock auction when I go. I usually call one Hamm and the other Bacon.
    The garden is my pride, it grows every year and I surpassed 2.5 tons of produce for the first time this year. That's less than it sounds, a single zucchini plant can give you more than 50 lbs!

    I can brag on my little farm all day, I should have a blog like everyone else lol
    Yeah, that is great. You have more than me, I'll concede.

    That said I'm making more and more steps to becoming more and more regenerative and we try not to visit stores instead prefer to go to other small farms and pick up what we need from them. A buddy of mine has a cow and goats, I have been thinking about raising goats just to sell at auction, we really don't drink milk so there isn't much point to for us now.

    We haven't bought produce since May, most meat since last fall, only bacon so far, and I much prefer bartering over anything else.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    unsung said:

    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    It isn't, you'd probably lose that bet.

    I assume you must live on a farm and not in town. You must have a well, a spring, and own a natural gas well too.
    Hahaha how much food do you grow? How many chickens you keep? Got some goats? Pigs? Cattle? I don't keep cattle, too much land is needed for grazing, I only have 5 acres, I get plenty of milk from the goats and meat from the pigs anyways. Own your own business? That one I wouldn't have much trouble believing.
    Well, if true good on you. It's a great step to take and very fulfilling.
    True indeed, farm gets better every year. Thanks, it is VERY fulfilling.
    Goats are Nigerian dwarfs, 2 does and a wether. Lois, Meg, and Peter. Breed them out alternately each year with a dwarf stud service (yes, that's a real thing lol) in Bergholz and sell the kids.
    The chickens are dual purpose breed, Rhode Island Red about a dozen hens and 1 rooster. They don't get names because we eat them when they start laying lazy. The rooster is Shakespeare.
    Buy 2 feeder pigs in March and butcher in late May usually. Duroc usually, depends what they have at the Carrolton livestock auction when I go. I usually call one Hamm and the other Bacon.
    The garden is my pride, it grows every year and I surpassed 2.5 tons of produce for the first time this year. That's less than it sounds, a single zucchini plant can give you more than 50 lbs!

    I can brag on my little farm all day, I should have a blog like everyone else lol
    Yeah, that is great. You have more than me, I'll concede.

    That said I'm making more and more steps to becoming more and more regenerative and we try not to visit stores instead prefer to go to other small farms and pick up what we need from them. A buddy of mine has a cow and goats, I have been thinking about raising goats just to sell at auction, we really don't drink milk so there isn't much point to for us now.

    We haven't bought produce since May, most meat since last fall, only bacon so far, and I much prefer bartering over anything else.
    I love the movement towards eating local, it makes so much sense on so many levels.
    I don't drink milk at all, gross.
    I make yogurt and cheese, clabber the leftovers and give it to the other critters.
    2.5 tons was an idiotic brain fart, 2,500 lbs lol
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    It isn't, you'd probably lose that bet.

    I assume you must live on a farm and not in town. You must have a well, a spring, and own a natural gas well too.
    Hahaha how much food do you grow? How many chickens you keep? Got some goats? Pigs? Cattle? I don't keep cattle, too much land is needed for grazing, I only have 5 acres, I get plenty of milk from the goats and meat from the pigs anyways. Own your own business? That one I wouldn't have much trouble believing.
    Well, if true good on you. It's a great step to take and very fulfilling.
    True indeed, farm gets better every year. Thanks, it is VERY fulfilling.
    Goats are Nigerian dwarfs, 2 does and a wether. Lois, Meg, and Peter. Breed them out alternately each year with a dwarf stud service (yes, that's a real thing lol) in Bergholz and sell the kids.
    The chickens are dual purpose breed, Rhode Island Red about a dozen hens and 1 rooster. They don't get names because we eat them when they start laying lazy. The rooster is Shakespeare.
    Buy 2 feeder pigs in March and butcher in late May usually. Duroc usually, depends what they have at the Carrolton livestock auction when I go. I usually call one Hamm and the other Bacon.
    The garden is my pride, it grows every year and I surpassed 2.5 tons of produce for the first time this year. That's less than it sounds, a single zucchini plant can give you more than 50 lbs!

    I can brag on my little farm all day, I should have a blog like everyone else lol
    Yeah, that is great. You have more than me, I'll concede.

    That said I'm making more and more steps to becoming more and more regenerative and we try not to visit stores instead prefer to go to other small farms and pick up what we need from them. A buddy of mine has a cow and goats, I have been thinking about raising goats just to sell at auction, we really don't drink milk so there isn't much point to for us now.

    We haven't bought produce since May, most meat since last fall, only bacon so far, and I much prefer bartering over anything else.
    I love the movement towards eating local, it makes so much sense on so many levels.
    I don't drink milk at all, gross.
    I make yogurt and cheese, clabber the leftovers and give it to the other critters.
    2.5 tons was an idiotic brain fart, 2,500 lbs lol
    You make cheese, awesome. Met a family yesterday at a garlic festival who makes their own. It was delicious.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Free said:

    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    It isn't, you'd probably lose that bet.

    I assume you must live on a farm and not in town. You must have a well, a spring, and own a natural gas well too.
    Hahaha how much food do you grow? How many chickens you keep? Got some goats? Pigs? Cattle? I don't keep cattle, too much land is needed for grazing, I only have 5 acres, I get plenty of milk from the goats and meat from the pigs anyways. Own your own business? That one I wouldn't have much trouble believing.
    Well, if true good on you. It's a great step to take and very fulfilling.
    True indeed, farm gets better every year. Thanks, it is VERY fulfilling.
    Goats are Nigerian dwarfs, 2 does and a wether. Lois, Meg, and Peter. Breed them out alternately each year with a dwarf stud service (yes, that's a real thing lol) in Bergholz and sell the kids.
    The chickens are dual purpose breed, Rhode Island Red about a dozen hens and 1 rooster. They don't get names because we eat them when they start laying lazy. The rooster is Shakespeare.
    Buy 2 feeder pigs in March and butcher in late May usually. Duroc usually, depends what they have at the Carrolton livestock auction when I go. I usually call one Hamm and the other Bacon.
    The garden is my pride, it grows every year and I surpassed 2.5 tons of produce for the first time this year. That's less than it sounds, a single zucchini plant can give you more than 50 lbs!

    I can brag on my little farm all day, I should have a blog like everyone else lol
    Yeah, that is great. You have more than me, I'll concede.

    That said I'm making more and more steps to becoming more and more regenerative and we try not to visit stores instead prefer to go to other small farms and pick up what we need from them. A buddy of mine has a cow and goats, I have been thinking about raising goats just to sell at auction, we really don't drink milk so there isn't much point to for us now.

    We haven't bought produce since May, most meat since last fall, only bacon so far, and I much prefer bartering over anything else.
    I love the movement towards eating local, it makes so much sense on so many levels.
    I don't drink milk at all, gross.
    I make yogurt and cheese, clabber the leftovers and give it to the other critters.
    2.5 tons was an idiotic brain fart, 2,500 lbs lol
    You make cheese, awesome. Met a family yesterday at a garlic festival who makes their own. It was delicious.
    Once you get the hang of it it's no harder than canning or making bread or any other kitchen task.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    When is the next debate? I can't help but think it will go pretty similarly...hard to imagine much will be different.
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