Another argument is that if the voter fraud is done correctly, then they don't get caught so therefore there is really no accurate data. Personally I think that the potential for fraud is there, but the actual number of fraud votes that are cast are very small. Equally small are the number of people who would vote but are turned down because they don't have proper ID. Both cases would be essentially so small you could call them statistically non-existent
Right-wing website: check Right-wing think tank 'study': check Study written by right wing 'expert': check
You managed to hit all the boxes in one link! Now it's time to step out of the echo chamber.
Hans Anatol von Spakovsky had his Federal Election Commission nomination withdrawn for politicizing his nominally non-partisan office to an unprecedented degree and that he had consistently acted to disenfranchise poor and minority voters.
...so you'll excuse me if I take this with a tablespoon of salt...
Experts Raised Doubts About The Study's Methodology And Conclusion. Brown University political scientist Michael Tesler questioned the study's "methodological challenges," noting the possibility that non-citizens may have misreported their citizenship status. He pointed out that many self-reported non-citizens in 2012 reported being citizens in 2010, indicating a high rate of response error "which raises important doubts about their conclusions" Tesler also noted that a "number of academics and commentators have already expressed skepticism about that paper's assumptions and conclusions" which seem to be "tenuous at best." [The Washington Post, Monkey Cage, 10/27/14]
their opinion of the study ? so they have "doubts" ....well I have doubts as well.
Anyone still hanging onto voter fraud is just plain ignorant. There isn't enough fraud to make a difference.
and the leftist has spoken !
Godfather.
yeah whatever...the real fraud is being carried out by the state republicans trying to suppress the votes of minorities. You can't argue against that one.
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Anyone still hanging onto voter fraud is just plain ignorant. There isn't enough fraud to make a difference.
couldn't it have been a deciding factor in florida in 2000?
Theoretically yes but in that case the fraud wasn't so much ineligible voters voting as it was a breakdown in counting the legitimate votes that were cast.
Anyone still hanging onto voter fraud is just plain ignorant. There isn't enough fraud to make a difference.
couldn't it have been a deciding factor in florida in 2000?
Theoretically yes but in that case the fraud wasn't so much ineligible voters voting as it was a breakdown in counting the legitimate votes that were cast.
yes, but if there were more than 600 illegal voters that voted for bush, that would have changed the presidency. not like illegals typically would vote red, but just saying.
Anyone still hanging onto voter fraud is just plain ignorant. There isn't enough fraud to make a difference.
couldn't it have been a deciding factor in florida in 2000?
Theoretically yes but in that case the fraud wasn't so much ineligible voters voting as it was a breakdown in counting the legitimate votes that were cast.
yes, but if there were more than 600 illegal voters that voted for bush, that would have changed the presidency. not like illegals typically would vote red, but just saying.
Yeah it's certainly possible. But there is just no evidence of fraud on that scale.
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Anyone still hanging onto voter fraud is just plain ignorant. There isn't enough fraud to make a difference.
and the leftist has spoken !
Godfather.
yeah whatever...the real fraud is being carried out by the state republicans trying to suppress the votes of minorities. You can't argue against that one.
Illegal minorities ? I haven't heard any other info suppressing votes.
Anyone still hanging onto voter fraud is just plain ignorant. There isn't enough fraud to make a difference.
and the leftist has spoken !
Godfather.
yeah whatever...the real fraud is being carried out by the state republicans trying to suppress the votes of minorities. You can't argue against that one.
Illegal minorities ? I haven't heard any other info suppressing votes.
Godfather.
“Of course it’s political. Why else would you do it?” he said, explaining that Republicans, like any political party, want to protect their majority. While GOP lawmakers might have passed the law to suppress some voters, Wrenn said, that does not mean it was racist. “Look, if African Americans voted overwhelmingly Republican, they would have kept early voting right where it was,” Wrenn said. “It wasn’t about discriminating against African Americans. They just ended up in the middle of it because they vote Democrat.”
Anyone still hanging onto voter fraud is just plain ignorant. There isn't enough fraud to make a difference.
and the leftist has spoken !
Godfather.
yeah whatever...the real fraud is being carried out by the state republicans trying to suppress the votes of minorities. You can't argue against that one.
Illegal minorities ? I haven't heard any other info suppressing votes.
Godfather.
The Brennan Center for Justice found that of the 11 states with the highest African American turnout in 2008, seven passed laws making it harder to vote. Of the 12 states with the largest Hispanic population growth in the 2010 Census, nine have new restrictions in place. And of the 15 states that used to be monitored closely under the Voting Rights Act because of a history of racial discrimination in elections, nine passed new restrictions.
....I know, I know....pointing out all these fancy facts and studies don't do any good if you don't have the critical thinking skills to digest them...
sooooooo every American citizen still has the right to vote ? I have no doubt that left and right have shitty games they play but serious question here, what laws were passed to make it harder to vote ? picture I.D ?
Anyone still hanging onto voter fraud is just plain ignorant. There isn't enough fraud to make a difference.
and the leftist has spoken !
Godfather.
yeah whatever...the real fraud is being carried out by the state republicans trying to suppress the votes of minorities. You can't argue against that one.
Illegal minorities ? I haven't heard any other info suppressing votes.
Godfather.
The Brennan Center for Justice found that of the 11 states with the highest African American turnout in 2008, seven passed laws making it harder to vote. Of the 12 states with the largest Hispanic population growth in the 2010 Census, nine have new restrictions in place. And of the 15 states that used to be monitored closely under the Voting Rights Act because of a history of racial discrimination in elections, nine passed new restrictions.
....I know, I know....pointing out all these fancy facts and studies don't do any good if you don't have the critical thinking skills to digest them...
I'll bet you're just a daisy of a person, you must have a lot of friends.......
Anyone still hanging onto voter fraud is just plain ignorant. There isn't enough fraud to make a difference.
and the leftist has spoken !
Godfather.
yeah whatever...the real fraud is being carried out by the state republicans trying to suppress the votes of minorities. You can't argue against that one.
Illegal minorities ? I haven't heard any other info suppressing votes.
Godfather.
The Brennan Center for Justice found that of the 11 states with the highest African American turnout in 2008, seven passed laws making it harder to vote. Of the 12 states with the largest Hispanic population growth in the 2010 Census, nine have new restrictions in place. And of the 15 states that used to be monitored closely under the Voting Rights Act because of a history of racial discrimination in elections, nine passed new restrictions.
....I know, I know....pointing out all these fancy facts and studies don't do any good if you don't have the critical thinking skills to digest them...
I'll bet you're just a daisy of a person, you must have a lot of friends.......
Godfather.
So you believe that considering and discussing facts about potentially discriminatory laws would make one less appealing to others? That explains so much.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
Anyone still hanging onto voter fraud is just plain ignorant. There isn't enough fraud to make a difference.
and the leftist has spoken !
Godfather.
yeah whatever...the real fraud is being carried out by the state republicans trying to suppress the votes of minorities. You can't argue against that one.
Illegal minorities ? I haven't heard any other info suppressing votes.
Godfather.
The Brennan Center for Justice found that of the 11 states with the highest African American turnout in 2008, seven passed laws making it harder to vote. Of the 12 states with the largest Hispanic population growth in the 2010 Census, nine have new restrictions in place. And of the 15 states that used to be monitored closely under the Voting Rights Act because of a history of racial discrimination in elections, nine passed new restrictions.
....I know, I know....pointing out all these fancy facts and studies don't do any good if you don't have the critical thinking skills to digest them...
I'll bet you're just a daisy of a person, you must have a lot of friends.......
Godfather.
So you believe that considering and discussing facts about potentially discriminatory laws would make one less appealing to others? That explains so much.
Just to be clear....coming on here and making a cogent argument backed up by reliable and verifiable facts and evidence causes a lot of confusion and frustration among some on here.
Anyone still hanging onto voter fraud is just plain ignorant. There isn't enough fraud to make a difference.
and the leftist has spoken !
Godfather.
yeah whatever...the real fraud is being carried out by the state republicans trying to suppress the votes of minorities. You can't argue against that one.
Illegal minorities ? I haven't heard any other info suppressing votes.
Godfather.
The Brennan Center for Justice found that of the 11 states with the highest African American turnout in 2008, seven passed laws making it harder to vote. Of the 12 states with the largest Hispanic population growth in the 2010 Census, nine have new restrictions in place. And of the 15 states that used to be monitored closely under the Voting Rights Act because of a history of racial discrimination in elections, nine passed new restrictions.
....I know, I know....pointing out all these fancy facts and studies don't do any good if you don't have the critical thinking skills to digest them...
I'll bet you're just a daisy of a person, you must have a lot of friends.......
Godfather.
So you believe that considering and discussing facts about potentially discriminatory laws would make one less appealing to others? That explains so much.
Just to be clear....coming on here and making a cogent argument backed up by reliable and verifiable facts and evidence causes a lot of confusion and frustration among some on here.
Anyone still hanging onto voter fraud is just plain ignorant. There isn't enough fraud to make a difference.
and the leftist has spoken !
Godfather.
yeah whatever...the real fraud is being carried out by the state republicans trying to suppress the votes of minorities. You can't argue against that one.
Illegal minorities ? I haven't heard any other info suppressing votes.
Godfather.
The Brennan Center for Justice found that of the 11 states with the highest African American turnout in 2008, seven passed laws making it harder to vote. Of the 12 states with the largest Hispanic population growth in the 2010 Census, nine have new restrictions in place. And of the 15 states that used to be monitored closely under the Voting Rights Act because of a history of racial discrimination in elections, nine passed new restrictions.
....I know, I know....pointing out all these fancy facts and studies don't do any good if you don't have the critical thinking skills to digest them...
I'll bet you're just a daisy of a person, you must have a lot of friends.......
Godfather.
So you believe that considering and discussing facts about potentially discriminatory laws would make one less appealing to others? That explains so much.
Just to be clear....coming on here and making a cogent argument backed up by reliable and verifiable facts and evidence causes a lot of confusion and frustration among some on here.
where is your safe place ?
Godfather.
Right here.
Where's yours?
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
Anyone still hanging onto voter fraud is just plain ignorant. There isn't enough fraud to make a difference.
and the leftist has spoken !
Godfather.
yeah whatever...the real fraud is being carried out by the state republicans trying to suppress the votes of minorities. You can't argue against that one.
Illegal minorities ? I haven't heard any other info suppressing votes.
Godfather.
The Brennan Center for Justice found that of the 11 states with the highest African American turnout in 2008, seven passed laws making it harder to vote. Of the 12 states with the largest Hispanic population growth in the 2010 Census, nine have new restrictions in place. And of the 15 states that used to be monitored closely under the Voting Rights Act because of a history of racial discrimination in elections, nine passed new restrictions.
....I know, I know....pointing out all these fancy facts and studies don't do any good if you don't have the critical thinking skills to digest them...
I'll bet you're just a daisy of a person, you must have a lot of friends.......
Godfather.
So you believe that considering and discussing facts about potentially discriminatory laws would make one less appealing to others? That explains so much.
Just to be clear....coming on here and making a cogent argument backed up by reliable and verifiable facts and evidence causes a lot of confusion and frustration among some on here.
Hillary’s friendship as First Lady with former mentor Jean Houston ended after Bob Woodward revealed in a 1996 book that Houston helped Clinton hold imaginary conversations with her hero Eleanor Roosevelt. One of the conversations was taped and her critics called it “Wackygate.”
Anyone still hanging onto voter fraud is just plain ignorant. There isn't enough fraud to make a difference.
and the leftist has spoken !
Godfather.
yeah whatever...the real fraud is being carried out by the state republicans trying to suppress the votes of minorities. You can't argue against that one.
Illegal minorities ? I haven't heard any other info suppressing votes.
Godfather.
The Brennan Center for Justice found that of the 11 states with the highest African American turnout in 2008, seven passed laws making it harder to vote. Of the 12 states with the largest Hispanic population growth in the 2010 Census, nine have new restrictions in place. And of the 15 states that used to be monitored closely under the Voting Rights Act because of a history of racial discrimination in elections, nine passed new restrictions.
....I know, I know....pointing out all these fancy facts and studies don't do any good if you don't have the critical thinking skills to digest them...
I'll bet you're just a daisy of a person, you must have a lot of friends.......
Godfather.
So you believe that considering and discussing facts about potentially discriminatory laws would make one less appealing to others? That explains so much.
Just to be clear....coming on here and making a cogent argument backed up by reliable and verifiable facts and evidence causes a lot of confusion and frustration among some on here.
where is your safe place ?
Godfather.
Right here.
Where's yours?
I don't need one but I'm glad you found yours.
Godfather.
Ooooh, Godfather, livin' on the edge. Keyboard warrior, don't need to stinkin' safe places.
Which is ridiculous, of course. All humans have a need for at least a safe base from which to go forth into the world, or to come back to. Remember all those refugees that you really don't want to come to the USA? You don't want them there because you don't feel safe with them there. And they want to come to the US because they want to escape war or oppression and find a place where they and their families can be safe.
#backtotediousconservativememes
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
Anyone still hanging onto voter fraud is just plain ignorant. There isn't enough fraud to make a difference.
and the leftist has spoken !
Godfather.
yeah whatever...the real fraud is being carried out by the state republicans trying to suppress the votes of minorities. You can't argue against that one.
Illegal minorities ? I haven't heard any other info suppressing votes.
Godfather.
The Brennan Center for Justice found that of the 11 states with the highest African American turnout in 2008, seven passed laws making it harder to vote. Of the 12 states with the largest Hispanic population growth in the 2010 Census, nine have new restrictions in place. And of the 15 states that used to be monitored closely under the Voting Rights Act because of a history of racial discrimination in elections, nine passed new restrictions.
....I know, I know....pointing out all these fancy facts and studies don't do any good if you don't have the critical thinking skills to digest them...
I'll bet you're just a daisy of a person, you must have a lot of friends.......
Godfather.
So you believe that considering and discussing facts about potentially discriminatory laws would make one less appealing to others? That explains so much.
Just to be clear....coming on here and making a cogent argument backed up by reliable and verifiable facts and evidence causes a lot of confusion and frustration among some on here.
where is your safe place ?
Godfather.
Right here.
Where's yours?
I don't need one but I'm glad you found yours.
Godfather.
Ooooh, Godfather, livin' on the edge. Keyboard warrior, don't need to stinkin' safe places.
Which is ridiculous, of course. All humans have a need for at least a safe base from which to go forth into the world, or to come back to. Remember all those refugees that you really don't want to come to the USA? You don't want them there because you don't feel safe with them there. And they want to come to the US because they want to escape war or oppression and find a place where they and their families can be safe.
#backtotediousconservativememes
I'm just having fun here....all the back n forth here is better than the whole race itself, If I was to spend all my time on a right wing forum agreeing with all the negative comments and info it would just be boring and when the race is over we can go back to other topics and besides we couldn't dream up a more entertaining race to talk about.
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Personally I think that the potential for fraud is there, but the actual number of fraud votes that are cast are very small. Equally small are the number of people who would vote but are turned down because they don't have proper ID. Both cases would be essentially so small you could call them statistically non-existent
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Right-wing think tank 'study': check
Study written by right wing 'expert': check
You managed to hit all the boxes in one link! Now it's time to step out of the echo chamber.
Hans Anatol von Spakovsky had his Federal Election Commission nomination withdrawn for politicizing his nominally non-partisan office to an unprecedented degree and that he had consistently acted to disenfranchise poor and minority voters.
...so you'll excuse me if I take this with a tablespoon of salt...
their opinion of the study ? so they have "doubts" ....well I have doubts as well.
Godfather.
Godfather.
www.headstonesband.com
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
www.headstonesband.com
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Godfather.
“Look, if African Americans voted overwhelmingly Republican, they would have kept early voting right where it was,” Wrenn said. “It wasn’t about discriminating against African Americans. They just ended up in the middle of it because they vote Democrat.”
....I know, I know....pointing out all these fancy facts and studies don't do any good if you don't have the critical thinking skills to digest them...
Godfather.
Godfather.
where is your safe place ?
Godfather.
Where's yours?
Godfather.
you can find the darndist things on the interweb.
Godfather.
Which is ridiculous, of course. All humans have a need for at least a safe base from which to go forth into the world, or to come back to. Remember all those refugees that you really don't want to come to the USA? You don't want them there because you don't feel safe with them there. And they want to come to the US because they want to escape war or oppression and find a place where they and their families can be safe.
#backtotediousconservativememes
forum agreeing with all the negative comments and info it would just be boring and when the race is over we can go back to other topics
and besides we couldn't dream up a more entertaining race to talk about.
Godfather.