Exactly. I think what he's talking about is the odds % tho. In other words every single time someone adds an item (ga or reserved) it changes the odds % listed, regardless of whether they're only allowed 1 set of tix. In other words like he said, picking NY 4 times will change the odds % listed but since he can only get 1 of those 4, the odds % will show lower than it actually is.
That is what I am saying. Thank you for actually reading most post. lol
I was purely referring to the odds percentage calculation and how it can be extremely deceiving, especially for cities with multiple shows.
1996: Toronto
1998: Barrie
2000: Saratoga Springs
2003: Buffalo, Toronto
2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto
2006: Toronto x2, Cleveland, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Gorge #1
2007: London, Dusseldorf, Vic, Lolla
2008: WPB, Tampa, DC, MSG x2, Hartford, Boston x2, Beacon
2009: Toronto, Chicago x2, Seattle x2, LA #3&4, San Diego, Philly x4
2010: Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford
2011: Montreal, Toronto x2, Hamilton
2012: Missoula
2013: London, Wrigley, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Hartford, Dallas, OKC
One question I have is if someone is more likely to get their first priority if they don't have a second choice.
For example:
Person 1: First choice is MSG 1 GA, no second choice Person 2: First choice is MSG 1 GA, second choice is Philly 1 Reserved
Does their system try and give person 2 the Philly 1 tix to at least get them a pair, and then favor person 1 on their first choice because they have no other choices? It doesn't sound like they do this from what I'm reading, but it wouldn't surprise me if that's ultimately what happens.
Does anyone remember what they did with Worcester 2nd night? Did they give priority to those that missed out on winning the lottery on the first night or was everyone that did and did not try for the first night in the same boat? I am just trying to strategize for TO knowing that there is a small chance that it may happen.
One question I have is if someone is more likely to get their first priority if they don't have a second choice.
For example:
Person 1: First choice is MSG 1 GA, no second choice Person 2: First choice is MSG 1 GA, second choice is Philly 1 Reserved
Does their system try and give person 2 the Philly 1 tix to at least get them a pair, and then favor person 1 on their first choice because they have no other choices? It doesn't sound like they do this from what I'm reading, but it wouldn't surprise me if that's ultimately what happens.
No. Members have been completely shut out in the past.
Oh please let it rain today.
Those that can be trusted can change their mind.
Does anyone remember what they did with Worcester 2nd night? Did they give priority to those that missed out on the first night or was everyone that did and did not try for the first night in the same boat? I am just trying to strategize for TO knowing that there is a small chance that it may happen.
Yes they did. If you got the first night, you were not eligible for the second night. I do recall that after the original lottery closed for Worcester 2, there were still 10C tickets available, so they had a second quick lottery that was opened up to everyone, including those who got Worcester 1 tickets.
1996: Toronto
1998: Barrie
2000: Saratoga Springs
2003: Buffalo, Toronto
2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto
2006: Toronto x2, Cleveland, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Gorge #1
2007: London, Dusseldorf, Vic, Lolla
2008: WPB, Tampa, DC, MSG x2, Hartford, Boston x2, Beacon
2009: Toronto, Chicago x2, Seattle x2, LA #3&4, San Diego, Philly x4
2010: Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford
2011: Montreal, Toronto x2, Hamilton
2012: Missoula
2013: London, Wrigley, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Hartford, Dallas, OKC
One question I have is if someone is more likely to get their first priority if they don't have a second choice.
For example:
Person 1: First choice is MSG 1 GA, no second choice Person 2: First choice is MSG 1 GA, second choice is Philly 1 Reserved
Does their system try and give person 2 the Philly 1 tix to at least get them a pair, and then favor person 1 on their first choice because they have no other choices? It doesn't sound like they do this from what I'm reading, but it wouldn't surprise me if that's ultimately what happens.
No. Whether you have a 2nd priority or not doesn't affect your chances on the 1st priority you selected.
Annd my brain just exploded..lol holy complicated system batman
Mexico City 28/11/15 Chicago 20/08/16 Boston 04/09/2018 Quebec City 05/05/16 Chicago 22/08/16 Ottawa 08/05/16 Taormina 26/06/17 Toronto 10/05/16 Taormina 27/06/17 Toronto 11/05/16 Boston 02/09/2018
I dont think any of us really know how the system works. I am putting in my dates and hoping for the best. Trying not to read too much into the odds.
2014: Moline, IL 2015: EV Solo (Metro Chicago) 2016: Philadelphia PA 1, Philadelphia PA 2, New York City NY- MSG 1, EV Solo (Metro Chicago), Boston MA Fenway 1, Wrigley 1, Wrigley 2 2017: EV Ohana Fest (Dana Point, CA), EV/Pete Townshend Quadrophenia Rosemont, IL 2018: Seattle WA 1, Seattle WA 2, Missoula MT, Wrigley 1, Wrigley 2, Boston MA Fenway 1, Boston MA Fenway 2 2019: EV Tempe, AZ 2020: PPD 2022: EV & Earthlings Chicago 1 & 2, Phoenix AZ, Camden NJ, Nashville TN, St. Louis MO 2023: EV Tempe, AZ, St Paul, MN 2, Chicago 1 & 2 2024: Noblesville, IN, Wrigley 1, Wrigley 2
I think in one of the last tours it happened that people got GA with their sixth choice or so. Wasn't it the case with the last Philly show that it was actually pretty easy to get tickets in the end?
Philly reserved night 2 was given out to many people (including myself) way down their list
It was my ninth choice and the only thing I won
Seemed fluky to me
That's funny, we got shut out on both Philly 2 entries... and won both Philly 1 entries
They really need to explain how this all works, we all had the same questions last time around and never got any answers. Everyone has theories, but nobody knows for sure.
I think in one of the last tours it happened that people got GA with their sixth choice or so. Wasn't it the case with the last Philly show that it was actually pretty easy to get tickets in the end?
Philly reserved night 2 was given out to many people (including myself) way down their list
It was my ninth choice and the only thing I won
Seemed fluky to me
That's funny, we got shut out on both Philly 2 entries... and won both Philly 1 entries
I think they were on a Monday and Tuesday so it wasn't even like one day was more desirable than the other
I think there's a little smoke and mirrors with the priority selection not counting as much as people think. I wouldn't be surprised if they run GA and reserved lotteries together for people entering for both for same show regardless of priority. In 2013, I used my 1st priority slot on Philly 2 reserved thinking that that would give me the best odds (pre odds calculator) since more reserved seats than GA. I didn't get that, but I somehow got my 2nd priority slot which was Philly 2 GA which based on odds we're seeing now with the calculator would've been much more competitive and less likely to happen. So, I don't know how much I believe that the rule where they fill the 1st priority slots first and then go to 2nd priority slots if there's extras is set in stone. Maybe they skew things to try to meet as many 1st priority (for the show, but not necessarily seat type).
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I think in one of the last tours it happened that people got GA with their sixth choice or so. Wasn't it the case with the last Philly show that it was actually pretty easy to get tickets in the end?
Philly reserved night 2 was given out to many people (including myself) way down their list
It was my ninth choice and the only thing I won
Seemed fluky to me
That's funny, we got shut out on both Philly 2 entries... and won both Philly 1 entries
I think they were on a Monday and Tuesday so it wasn't even like one day was more desirable than the other
I'm just kidding. Math is hard. I have no idea how that percentage list works. All I know is it's upsetting me greatly and leading me to google "Hampton, VA" cuz like what the fuck
If they pick based on selection priority (1st, 2nd, 3rd selection etc.), how does it make sense to have all selections impact the odds? It just skews the odds making them irrelevant, since we can't know how many of those selections are actually 1st priority.
Also, a question for those that are veterans of the lottery process; if I want to go to 2 shows (Ottawa and Toronto) what is my best strategy to secure tickets to both shows? Keeping in mind Ottawa is my top priority show and my membership number is 427,xxx. I am asking because I can't see a way to have a shot at Toronto if I place Ottawa ahead of it. Thoughts???
If they pick based on selection priority (1st, 2nd, 3rd selection etc.), how does it make sense to have all selections impact the odds? It just skews the odds making them irrelevant, since we can't know how many of those selections are actually 1st priority.
Also, a question for those that are veterans of the lottery process; if I want to go to 2 shows (Ottawa and Toronto) what is my best strategy to secure tickets to both shows? Keeping in mind Ottawa is my top priority show and my membership number is 427,xxx. I am asking because I can't see a way to have a shot at Toronto if I place Ottawa ahead of it. Thoughts???
If you want tickets to both shows, put in for Reserved for both. I would think put in the show with the best odds first. Dont bother with GA if you want both
If you want tickets to both shows, put in for Reserved for both. I would think put in the show with the best odds first. Dont bother with GA if you want both
Yeah that is what I've been thinking too. I know going reserved is a safer bet but the temptation of having a shot to be close to the stage is overwhelming. Perhaps I'm better off just attending Ottawa and going all out for it.
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So even though something is at <99% its still gettable realistically as a second choice? (not taking into account the 1-show limit for certain cities)
I was purely referring to the odds percentage calculation and how it can be extremely deceiving, especially for cities with multiple shows.
2010: 5/20 NY, 5/21 NY ... 2011: 6/21 EV NY, 9/3 WI, 9/4 WI ... 2012: 9/2 PA, 9/22 GA ... 2013: 10/18 NY, 10/19 NY, 10/21 PA, 10/22 PA, 10/27 MD
2015: 9/23 NY, 9/26 NY ... 2016: 4/28 PA, 4/29 PA, 5/1 NY, 5/2 NY, 6/11 TN, 8/7 MA, 11/4 TOTD PA, 11/5 TOTD PA ... 2018: 8/10 WA
2022: 9/14 NJ ... 2024: 5/28 WA, 9/7 PA, 9/9 PA ---- http://imgur.com/a/nk0s7
For example:
Person 1: First choice is MSG 1 GA, no second choice
Person 2: First choice is MSG 1 GA, second choice is Philly 1 Reserved
Does their system try and give person 2 the Philly 1 tix to at least get them a pair, and then favor person 1 on their first choice because they have no other choices? It doesn't sound like they do this from what I'm reading, but it wouldn't surprise me if that's ultimately what happens.
Those that can be trusted can change their mind.
Mexico City 28/11/15 Chicago 20/08/16 Boston 04/09/2018
Quebec City 05/05/16 Chicago 22/08/16
Ottawa 08/05/16 Taormina 26/06/17
Toronto 10/05/16 Taormina 27/06/17
Toronto 11/05/16 Boston 02/09/2018
2015: EV Solo (Metro Chicago)
2016: Philadelphia PA 1, Philadelphia PA 2, New York City NY- MSG 1, EV Solo (Metro Chicago), Boston MA Fenway 1, Wrigley 1, Wrigley 2
2017: EV Ohana Fest (Dana Point, CA), EV/Pete Townshend Quadrophenia Rosemont, IL
2018: Seattle WA 1, Seattle WA 2, Missoula MT, Wrigley 1, Wrigley 2, Boston MA Fenway 1, Boston MA Fenway 2
2019: EV Tempe, AZ
2020: PPD
2022: EV & Earthlings Chicago 1 & 2, Phoenix AZ, Camden NJ, Nashville TN, St. Louis MO
2023: EV Tempe, AZ, St Paul, MN 2, Chicago 1 & 2
2024: Noblesville, IN, Wrigley 1, Wrigley 2
And to be honest, night 1 was better
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
2nd choice 04/21/2016 Columbia, SC- GA Standing
3rd choice 04/21/2016 Columbia, SC- Reserved Seating
4th choice 04/20/2016 Raleigh, NC- GA Standing
Should I flip flop my 1st and 2nd choice? I'd like to be seated in Raleigh, and GA in Columbia
Thanks
2013 - Philly 1, philly 2, charlottesville,
2015 - NYC (global citizen)
2016 - Philly 1&2
2022 - Camden
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Those that can be trusted can change their mind.
Columbus-2003
Cincinnati-2006
Columbus-2010
Wrigley-2013
Cincinnati-2014
Lexington-2016
Wrigley 1 & 2-2018
In 2013, I used my 1st priority slot on Philly 2 reserved thinking that that would give me the best odds (pre odds calculator) since more reserved seats than GA. I didn't get that, but I somehow got my 2nd priority slot which was Philly 2 GA which based on odds we're seeing now with the calculator would've been much more competitive and less likely to happen.
So, I don't know how much I believe that the rule where they fill the 1st priority slots first and then go to 2nd priority slots if there's extras is set in stone. Maybe they skew things to try to meet as many 1st priority (for the show, but not necessarily seat type).
I'm just kidding. Math is hard. I have no idea how that percentage list works. All I know is it's upsetting me greatly and leading me to google "Hampton, VA" cuz like what the fuck
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Also, a question for those that are veterans of the lottery process; if I want to go to 2 shows (Ottawa and Toronto) what is my best strategy to secure tickets to both shows? Keeping in mind Ottawa is my top priority show and my membership number is 427,xxx. I am asking because I can't see a way to have a shot at Toronto if I place Ottawa ahead of it. Thoughts???