Hillary won more votes for President

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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    mrussel1 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Oh yeah... I also hate the term 'throwing shade'. That one has to go too.

    throwing shade ? what is that ? I missed that one.

    Godfather.

    From the authoritative Urban Dictionary: to talk trash about a friend or aquaintance, to publicly denounce or disrespect. When throwing shade it's immediately obvious to on-lookers that the thrower, and not the throwee, is the bitcy, uncool one
    thanks !

    Godfather.

  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504

    PJPOWER said:

    PJPOWER said:

    PJPOWER said:

    remember when we were talking about Zimmerman not being found guilty but.......HAHAHAHAHAH well here ya go, Hillary is guilty as hell for her email debacle and the events that have surrounded her and bill from almost the start are just a bit over whelming and still many of you keep throwing her a life preserver.....why ??????? and then start baggin on Trump who's "supposed" to have committed crimes ???????

    Godfather.

    The FBI says otherwise....I tend to agree with the FBI rather than uninformed people on message boards
    The State Department is re-opening an internal investigation into whether Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and her top aides mishandled classified information, Fox News confirmed late Thursday.

    The investigation, which was first reported by the Associated Press, focuses on how classified emails to and from Clinton's private server were categorized at the time they were sent.

    The State Department started its review in January after declaring 22 emails from Clinton's private server to be "top secret." The investigation was halted after the FBI began investigating Clinton's so-called "homebrew" email setup last April. On Wednesday, Attorney General Loretta Lynch said there would be no indictments resulting from the FBI probe.

    "Given the Department of Justice has now made its announcement, the State Department intends to conduct its internal review," State Department spokesman John Kirby said in a statement. "Our goal will be to be as transparent as possible about our results, while complying with our various legal obligations."

    Kirby set no deadline for the investigation's completion.

    Clinton was secretary of state until early 2013. Most of her top advisers left shortly thereafter.

    Kirby said earlier this week that former officials can still face "administrative sanctions." The most serious of those penalties is loss of security clearances, which could complicate Clinton's naming of a national security team if she becomes president.

    Beyond the Democratic front-runner, the probe is most likely examining confidants Cheryl Mills, Jake Sullivan and Huma Abedin, who wrote many of the emails to their boss that the various investigations have focused on. Mills, Clinton's chief of staff at the State Department, has been viewed as a possibility for the same job in the White House. There is speculation that Sullivan, Clinton's former policy chief, could be national security adviser.


    The State Department says it won't identify former officials that still hold security clearances. But in an email Fox News made public in February, the department described Mills as still holding a valid clearance.

    Fox News' Jennifer Griffin and the Associated Press contributed to this report.


    This is no surprise. The State Dept put a hold on their internal investigation when the FBI got involved to avoid any controversy.

    Now that the FBI has said there is nothing to bring charges on they are resuming their investigation. It's obvious that there are some issues there....as there probably are with EVERY agency including Congress.
    Sanctions such as loss of security clearances would most definitely be an interesting hurdle to contend with if she ever became POTUS... I'm actually liking the term "Careless Clinton". Has a nice ring to it. "Good ol' Careless Clinton has done it again". Will probably be using that a lot now, lol
    Yeah it's a good sound bite but doesn't really compare to Trump's fraud (Trump U/Charitiable contributions/Bankruptcies, etc.)
    Trumps fraud and Hillary's carelessness don't seem to make any difference to their constituents. I truly doubt many politicians have made it to their level without some level of fraudulent behavior. People ignore what they do not want to hear or if it's contradictory to something they're invested in, it's human nature.
    If Hillary would have been indicted that would change minds for sure. The majority of us see this for what it really is....a ploy by the GOP to make Hillary look bad.

    I'm not so sure, if Hillary had been indicted, there would have been shouts from the left about how she was mistreated and vilified and how the court of law had been corrupted, very similar to what the Republicans are doing now on the opposite front. I doubt many democrats would have said "Well, she's guilty, guess that's the end of it". That just doesn't happen.
    Disagree....if there was evidence that she lied, covered up, intentionally sent classified material, etc. she would have dropped out already for the sake of the party.
    she only operates for the sake of Hillary you really should pay closer attention.


    Godfather.
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,882

    PJPOWER said:

    PJPOWER said:

    PJPOWER said:

    remember when we were talking about Zimmerman not being found guilty but.......HAHAHAHAHAH well here ya go, Hillary is guilty as hell for her email debacle and the events that have surrounded her and bill from almost the start are just a bit over whelming and still many of you keep throwing her a life preserver.....why ??????? and then start baggin on Trump who's "supposed" to have committed crimes ???????

    Godfather.

    The FBI says otherwise....I tend to agree with the FBI rather than uninformed people on message boards
    The State Department is re-opening an internal investigation into whether Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and her top aides mishandled classified information, Fox News confirmed late Thursday.

    The investigation, which was first reported by the Associated Press, focuses on how classified emails to and from Clinton's private server were categorized at the time they were sent.

    The State Department started its review in January after declaring 22 emails from Clinton's private server to be "top secret." The investigation was halted after the FBI began investigating Clinton's so-called "homebrew" email setup last April. On Wednesday, Attorney General Loretta Lynch said there would be no indictments resulting from the FBI probe.

    "Given the Department of Justice has now made its announcement, the State Department intends to conduct its internal review," State Department spokesman John Kirby said in a statement. "Our goal will be to be as transparent as possible about our results, while complying with our various legal obligations."

    Kirby set no deadline for the investigation's completion.

    Clinton was secretary of state until early 2013. Most of her top advisers left shortly thereafter.

    Kirby said earlier this week that former officials can still face "administrative sanctions." The most serious of those penalties is loss of security clearances, which could complicate Clinton's naming of a national security team if she becomes president.

    Beyond the Democratic front-runner, the probe is most likely examining confidants Cheryl Mills, Jake Sullivan and Huma Abedin, who wrote many of the emails to their boss that the various investigations have focused on. Mills, Clinton's chief of staff at the State Department, has been viewed as a possibility for the same job in the White House. There is speculation that Sullivan, Clinton's former policy chief, could be national security adviser.


    The State Department says it won't identify former officials that still hold security clearances. But in an email Fox News made public in February, the department described Mills as still holding a valid clearance.

    Fox News' Jennifer Griffin and the Associated Press contributed to this report.


    This is no surprise. The State Dept put a hold on their internal investigation when the FBI got involved to avoid any controversy.

    Now that the FBI has said there is nothing to bring charges on they are resuming their investigation. It's obvious that there are some issues there....as there probably are with EVERY agency including Congress.
    Sanctions such as loss of security clearances would most definitely be an interesting hurdle to contend with if she ever became POTUS... I'm actually liking the term "Careless Clinton". Has a nice ring to it. "Good ol' Careless Clinton has done it again". Will probably be using that a lot now, lol
    Yeah it's a good sound bite but doesn't really compare to Trump's fraud (Trump U/Charitiable contributions/Bankruptcies, etc.)
    Trumps fraud and Hillary's carelessness don't seem to make any difference to their constituents. I truly doubt many politicians have made it to their level without some level of fraudulent behavior. People ignore what they do not want to hear or if it's contradictory to something they're invested in, it's human nature.
    If Hillary would have been indicted that would change minds for sure. The majority of us see this for what it really is....a ploy by the GOP to make Hillary look bad.

    I'm not so sure, if Hillary had been indicted, there would have been shouts from the left about how she was mistreated and vilified and how the court of law had been corrupted, very similar to what the Republicans are doing now on the opposite front. I doubt many democrats would have said "Well, she's guilty, guess that's the end of it". That just doesn't happen.
    Disagree....if there was evidence that she lied, covered up, intentionally sent classified material, etc. she would have dropped out already for the sake of the party.
    she only operates for the sake of Hillary you really should pay closer attention.


    Godfather.
    And Trump has done that tenfold in his career. Both candidates suck.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504

    PJPOWER said:

    PJPOWER said:

    PJPOWER said:

    remember when we were talking about Zimmerman not being found guilty but.......HAHAHAHAHAH well here ya go, Hillary is guilty as hell for her email debacle and the events that have surrounded her and bill from almost the start are just a bit over whelming and still many of you keep throwing her a life preserver.....why ??????? and then start baggin on Trump who's "supposed" to have committed crimes ???????

    Godfather.

    The FBI says otherwise....I tend to agree with the FBI rather than uninformed people on message boards
    The State Department is re-opening an internal investigation into whether Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and her top aides mishandled classified information, Fox News confirmed late Thursday.

    The investigation, which was first reported by the Associated Press, focuses on how classified emails to and from Clinton's private server were categorized at the time they were sent.

    The State Department started its review in January after declaring 22 emails from Clinton's private server to be "top secret." The investigation was halted after the FBI began investigating Clinton's so-called "homebrew" email setup last April. On Wednesday, Attorney General Loretta Lynch said there would be no indictments resulting from the FBI probe.

    "Given the Department of Justice has now made its announcement, the State Department intends to conduct its internal review," State Department spokesman John Kirby said in a statement. "Our goal will be to be as transparent as possible about our results, while complying with our various legal obligations."

    Kirby set no deadline for the investigation's completion.

    Clinton was secretary of state until early 2013. Most of her top advisers left shortly thereafter.

    Kirby said earlier this week that former officials can still face "administrative sanctions." The most serious of those penalties is loss of security clearances, which could complicate Clinton's naming of a national security team if she becomes president.

    Beyond the Democratic front-runner, the probe is most likely examining confidants Cheryl Mills, Jake Sullivan and Huma Abedin, who wrote many of the emails to their boss that the various investigations have focused on. Mills, Clinton's chief of staff at the State Department, has been viewed as a possibility for the same job in the White House. There is speculation that Sullivan, Clinton's former policy chief, could be national security adviser.


    The State Department says it won't identify former officials that still hold security clearances. But in an email Fox News made public in February, the department described Mills as still holding a valid clearance.

    Fox News' Jennifer Griffin and the Associated Press contributed to this report.


    This is no surprise. The State Dept put a hold on their internal investigation when the FBI got involved to avoid any controversy.

    Now that the FBI has said there is nothing to bring charges on they are resuming their investigation. It's obvious that there are some issues there....as there probably are with EVERY agency including Congress.
    Sanctions such as loss of security clearances would most definitely be an interesting hurdle to contend with if she ever became POTUS... I'm actually liking the term "Careless Clinton". Has a nice ring to it. "Good ol' Careless Clinton has done it again". Will probably be using that a lot now, lol
    Yeah it's a good sound bite but doesn't really compare to Trump's fraud (Trump U/Charitiable contributions/Bankruptcies, etc.)
    Trumps fraud and Hillary's carelessness don't seem to make any difference to their constituents. I truly doubt many politicians have made it to their level without some level of fraudulent behavior. People ignore what they do not want to hear or if it's contradictory to something they're invested in, it's human nature.
    If Hillary would have been indicted that would change minds for sure. The majority of us see this for what it really is....a ploy by the GOP to make Hillary look bad.

    I'm not so sure, if Hillary had been indicted, there would have been shouts from the left about how she was mistreated and vilified and how the court of law had been corrupted, very similar to what the Republicans are doing now on the opposite front. I doubt many democrats would have said "Well, she's guilty, guess that's the end of it". That just doesn't happen.
    Disagree....if there was evidence that she lied, covered up, intentionally sent classified material, etc. she would have dropped out already for the sake of the party.
    she only operates for the sake of Hillary you really should pay closer attention.


    Godfather.
    And Trump has done that tenfold in his career. Both candidates suck.
    if Trump wins the election and turns out as bad as Hillary and Obama I'll be right on board with you but as I have said before while I support Trump I'd rather see the old hippie Bernie in the white house than that criminal Hillary.

    Godfather.
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,298
    it's meaningless....so what?
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  • KatKat Posts: 4,872
    I think that's a pretty twisted spin on what she said.
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,770
    Awesome source gf......

    Yournewswire is a notorious site for fake news.

    Im going to guess that "several sites" also includes....breitbart, infowars, and foxnews
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,676

    Awesome source gf......

    Yournewswire is a notorious site for fake news.

    Im going to guess that "several sites" also includes....breitbart, infowars, and foxnews
    NewsMax is on it too. They are a 15x Peabody award winner.
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,882

    PJPOWER said:

    PJPOWER said:

    PJPOWER said:

    remember when we were talking about Zimmerman not being found guilty but.......HAHAHAHAHAH well here ya go, Hillary is guilty as hell for her email debacle and the events that have surrounded her and bill from almost the start are just a bit over whelming and still many of you keep throwing her a life preserver.....why ??????? and then start baggin on Trump who's "supposed" to have committed crimes ???????

    Godfather.

    The FBI says otherwise....I tend to agree with the FBI rather than uninformed people on message boards
    The State Department is re-opening an internal investigation into whether Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and her top aides mishandled classified information, Fox News confirmed late Thursday.

    The investigation, which was first reported by the Associated Press, focuses on how classified emails to and from Clinton's private server were categorized at the time they were sent.

    The State Department started its review in January after declaring 22 emails from Clinton's private server to be "top secret." The investigation was halted after the FBI began investigating Clinton's so-called "homebrew" email setup last April. On Wednesday, Attorney General Loretta Lynch said there would be no indictments resulting from the FBI probe.

    "Given the Department of Justice has now made its announcement, the State Department intends to conduct its internal review," State Department spokesman John Kirby said in a statement. "Our goal will be to be as transparent as possible about our results, while complying with our various legal obligations."

    Kirby set no deadline for the investigation's completion.

    Clinton was secretary of state until early 2013. Most of her top advisers left shortly thereafter.

    Kirby said earlier this week that former officials can still face "administrative sanctions." The most serious of those penalties is loss of security clearances, which could complicate Clinton's naming of a national security team if she becomes president.

    Beyond the Democratic front-runner, the probe is most likely examining confidants Cheryl Mills, Jake Sullivan and Huma Abedin, who wrote many of the emails to their boss that the various investigations have focused on. Mills, Clinton's chief of staff at the State Department, has been viewed as a possibility for the same job in the White House. There is speculation that Sullivan, Clinton's former policy chief, could be national security adviser.


    The State Department says it won't identify former officials that still hold security clearances. But in an email Fox News made public in February, the department described Mills as still holding a valid clearance.

    Fox News' Jennifer Griffin and the Associated Press contributed to this report.


    This is no surprise. The State Dept put a hold on their internal investigation when the FBI got involved to avoid any controversy.

    Now that the FBI has said there is nothing to bring charges on they are resuming their investigation. It's obvious that there are some issues there....as there probably are with EVERY agency including Congress.
    Sanctions such as loss of security clearances would most definitely be an interesting hurdle to contend with if she ever became POTUS... I'm actually liking the term "Careless Clinton". Has a nice ring to it. "Good ol' Careless Clinton has done it again". Will probably be using that a lot now, lol
    Yeah it's a good sound bite but doesn't really compare to Trump's fraud (Trump U/Charitiable contributions/Bankruptcies, etc.)
    Trumps fraud and Hillary's carelessness don't seem to make any difference to their constituents. I truly doubt many politicians have made it to their level without some level of fraudulent behavior. People ignore what they do not want to hear or if it's contradictory to something they're invested in, it's human nature.
    If Hillary would have been indicted that would change minds for sure. The majority of us see this for what it really is....a ploy by the GOP to make Hillary look bad.

    I'm not so sure, if Hillary had been indicted, there would have been shouts from the left about how she was mistreated and vilified and how the court of law had been corrupted, very similar to what the Republicans are doing now on the opposite front. I doubt many democrats would have said "Well, she's guilty, guess that's the end of it". That just doesn't happen.
    Disagree....if there was evidence that she lied, covered up, intentionally sent classified material, etc. she would have dropped out already for the sake of the party.
    she only operates for the sake of Hillary you really should pay closer attention.


    Godfather.
    And Trump has done that tenfold in his career. Both candidates suck.
    if Trump wins the election and turns out as bad as Hillary and Obama I'll be right on board with you but as I have said before while I support Trump I'd rather see the old hippie Bernie in the white house than that criminal Hillary.

    Godfather.
    What you just said really highlights an advantage that Trump seems to be enjoying in the election. Hillary, rightfully, is having her political record picked apart (as every politician before her has). But Trump has no political record and for some reason, his very questionable business ethics aren't being held against him as much as a political record would. It's like both his business failures and unethical practices don't count. All that seems to count is his political record....which so far....is clean.
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  • KatKat Posts: 4,872
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,676
    edited July 2016

    PJPOWER said:

    PJPOWER said:

    PJPOWER said:

    remember when we were talking about Zimmerman not being found guilty but.......HAHAHAHAHAH well here ya go, Hillary is guilty as hell for her email debacle and the events that have surrounded her and bill from almost the start are just a bit over whelming and still many of you keep throwing her a life preserver.....why ??????? and then start baggin on Trump who's "supposed" to have committed crimes ???????

    Godfather.

    The FBI says otherwise....I tend to agree with the FBI rather than uninformed people on message boards
    The State Department is re-opening an internal investigation into whether Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and her top aides mishandled classified information, Fox News confirmed late Thursday.

    The investigation, which was first reported by the Associated Press, focuses on how classified emails to and from Clinton's private server were categorized at the time they were sent.

    The State Department started its review in January after declaring 22 emails from Clinton's private server to be "top secret." The investigation was halted after the FBI began investigating Clinton's so-called "homebrew" email setup last April. On Wednesday, Attorney General Loretta Lynch said there would be no indictments resulting from the FBI probe.

    "Given the Department of Justice has now made its announcement, the State Department intends to conduct its internal review," State Department spokesman John Kirby said in a statement. "Our goal will be to be as transparent as possible about our results, while complying with our various legal obligations."

    Kirby set no deadline for the investigation's completion.

    Clinton was secretary of state until early 2013. Most of her top advisers left shortly thereafter.

    Kirby said earlier this week that former officials can still face "administrative sanctions." The most serious of those penalties is loss of security clearances, which could complicate Clinton's naming of a national security team if she becomes president.

    Beyond the Democratic front-runner, the probe is most likely examining confidants Cheryl Mills, Jake Sullivan and Huma Abedin, who wrote many of the emails to their boss that the various investigations have focused on. Mills, Clinton's chief of staff at the State Department, has been viewed as a possibility for the same job in the White House. There is speculation that Sullivan, Clinton's former policy chief, could be national security adviser.


    The State Department says it won't identify former officials that still hold security clearances. But in an email Fox News made public in February, the department described Mills as still holding a valid clearance.

    Fox News' Jennifer Griffin and the Associated Press contributed to this report.


    This is no surprise. The State Dept put a hold on their internal investigation when the FBI got involved to avoid any controversy.

    Now that the FBI has said there is nothing to bring charges on they are resuming their investigation. It's obvious that there are some issues there....as there probably are with EVERY agency including Congress.
    Sanctions such as loss of security clearances would most definitely be an interesting hurdle to contend with if she ever became POTUS... I'm actually liking the term "Careless Clinton". Has a nice ring to it. "Good ol' Careless Clinton has done it again". Will probably be using that a lot now, lol
    Yeah it's a good sound bite but doesn't really compare to Trump's fraud (Trump U/Charitiable contributions/Bankruptcies, etc.)
    Trumps fraud and Hillary's carelessness don't seem to make any difference to their constituents. I truly doubt many politicians have made it to their level without some level of fraudulent behavior. People ignore what they do not want to hear or if it's contradictory to something they're invested in, it's human nature.
    If Hillary would have been indicted that would change minds for sure. The majority of us see this for what it really is....a ploy by the GOP to make Hillary look bad.

    I'm not so sure, if Hillary had been indicted, there would have been shouts from the left about how she was mistreated and vilified and how the court of law had been corrupted, very similar to what the Republicans are doing now on the opposite front. I doubt many democrats would have said "Well, she's guilty, guess that's the end of it". That just doesn't happen.
    Disagree....if there was evidence that she lied, covered up, intentionally sent classified material, etc. she would have dropped out already for the sake of the party.
    she only operates for the sake of Hillary you really should pay closer attention.


    Godfather.
    And Trump has done that tenfold in his career. Both candidates suck.
    if Trump wins the election and turns out as bad as Hillary and Obama I'll be right on board with you but as I have said before while I support Trump I'd rather see the old hippie Bernie in the white house than that criminal Hillary.

    Godfather.
    What you just said really highlights an advantage that Trump seems to be enjoying in the election. Hillary, rightfully, is having her political record picked apart (as every politician before her has). But Trump has no political record and for some reason, his very questionable business ethics aren't being held against him as much as a political record would. It's like both his business failures and unethical practices don't count. All that seems to count is his political record....which so far....is clean.
    I disagree. I think his business record is and will continue to be front and center. I'm not sure where you live, but I live in VA which is a swing state. He is getting hammered on TV here by a Super Pac supporting HRC, and the message is about his business record, Trump U, etc. You will only see that increase in intensity as the season continues. As someone else aptly pointed out here, you will see HRC move towards constructive policy oriented messages, while Biden, Warren, Sanders and whoever the VP nomination is, go aggressive on that front.
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,770
    mrussel1 said:

    Awesome source gf......

    Yournewswire is a notorious site for fake news.

    Im going to guess that "several sites" also includes....breitbart, infowars, and foxnews
    NewsMax is on it too. They are a 15x Peabody award winner.
    The hits just keep on coming from you...

    1. A less then 2 minute search finds NO record that newsmax has EVER won a Peabody. Just go to the Peabody web site to see for yourself.

    2. newsmax is a very biased notoriously conservative "news source".

    Newsmax Media, commonly called Newsmax, is a conservative[1] American news media organization founded by Christopher Ruddy and based in West Palm Beach, Florida.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,676

    mrussel1 said:

    Awesome source gf......

    Yournewswire is a notorious site for fake news.

    Im going to guess that "several sites" also includes....breitbart, infowars, and foxnews
    NewsMax is on it too. They are a 15x Peabody award winner.
    The hits just keep on coming from you...

    1. A less then 2 minute search finds NO record that newsmax has EVER won a Peabody. Just go to the Peabody web site to see for yourself.

    2. newsmax is a very biased notoriously conservative "news source".

    Newsmax Media, commonly called Newsmax, is a conservative[1] American news media organization founded by Christopher Ruddy and based in West Palm Beach, Florida.
    Dude... really? You think I was being serious about Newsmax?
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,882
    mrussel1 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    PJPOWER said:

    PJPOWER said:

    remember when we were talking about Zimmerman not being found guilty but.......HAHAHAHAHAH well here ya go, Hillary is guilty as hell for her email debacle and the events that have surrounded her and bill from almost the start are just a bit over whelming and still many of you keep throwing her a life preserver.....why ??????? and then start baggin on Trump who's "supposed" to have committed crimes ???????

    Godfather.

    The FBI says otherwise....I tend to agree with the FBI rather than uninformed people on message boards
    The State Department is re-opening an internal investigation into whether Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and her top aides mishandled classified information, Fox News confirmed late Thursday.

    The investigation, which was first reported by the Associated Press, focuses on how classified emails to and from Clinton's private server were categorized at the time they were sent.

    The State Department started its review in January after declaring 22 emails from Clinton's private server to be "top secret." The investigation was halted after the FBI began investigating Clinton's so-called "homebrew" email setup last April. On Wednesday, Attorney General Loretta Lynch said there would be no indictments resulting from the FBI probe.

    "Given the Department of Justice has now made its announcement, the State Department intends to conduct its internal review," State Department spokesman John Kirby said in a statement. "Our goal will be to be as transparent as possible about our results, while complying with our various legal obligations."

    Kirby set no deadline for the investigation's completion.

    Clinton was secretary of state until early 2013. Most of her top advisers left shortly thereafter.

    Kirby said earlier this week that former officials can still face "administrative sanctions." The most serious of those penalties is loss of security clearances, which could complicate Clinton's naming of a national security team if she becomes president.

    Beyond the Democratic front-runner, the probe is most likely examining confidants Cheryl Mills, Jake Sullivan and Huma Abedin, who wrote many of the emails to their boss that the various investigations have focused on. Mills, Clinton's chief of staff at the State Department, has been viewed as a possibility for the same job in the White House. There is speculation that Sullivan, Clinton's former policy chief, could be national security adviser.


    The State Department says it won't identify former officials that still hold security clearances. But in an email Fox News made public in February, the department described Mills as still holding a valid clearance.

    Fox News' Jennifer Griffin and the Associated Press contributed to this report.


    This is no surprise. The State Dept put a hold on their internal investigation when the FBI got involved to avoid any controversy.

    Now that the FBI has said there is nothing to bring charges on they are resuming their investigation. It's obvious that there are some issues there....as there probably are with EVERY agency including Congress.
    Sanctions such as loss of security clearances would most definitely be an interesting hurdle to contend with if she ever became POTUS... I'm actually liking the term "Careless Clinton". Has a nice ring to it. "Good ol' Careless Clinton has done it again". Will probably be using that a lot now, lol
    Yeah it's a good sound bite but doesn't really compare to Trump's fraud (Trump U/Charitiable contributions/Bankruptcies, etc.)
    Trumps fraud and Hillary's carelessness don't seem to make any difference to their constituents. I truly doubt many politicians have made it to their level without some level of fraudulent behavior. People ignore what they do not want to hear or if it's contradictory to something they're invested in, it's human nature.
    If Hillary would have been indicted that would change minds for sure. The majority of us see this for what it really is....a ploy by the GOP to make Hillary look bad.

    I'm not so sure, if Hillary had been indicted, there would have been shouts from the left about how she was mistreated and vilified and how the court of law had been corrupted, very similar to what the Republicans are doing now on the opposite front. I doubt many democrats would have said "Well, she's guilty, guess that's the end of it". That just doesn't happen.
    Disagree....if there was evidence that she lied, covered up, intentionally sent classified material, etc. she would have dropped out already for the sake of the party.
    she only operates for the sake of Hillary you really should pay closer attention.


    Godfather.
    And Trump has done that tenfold in his career. Both candidates suck.
    if Trump wins the election and turns out as bad as Hillary and Obama I'll be right on board with you but as I have said before while I support Trump I'd rather see the old hippie Bernie in the white house than that criminal Hillary.

    Godfather.
    What you just said really highlights an advantage that Trump seems to be enjoying in the election. Hillary, rightfully, is having her political record picked apart (as every politician before her has). But Trump has no political record and for some reason, his very questionable business ethics aren't being held against him as much as a political record would. It's like both his business failures and unethical practices don't count. All that seems to count is his political record....which so far....is clean.
    I disagree. I think his business record is and will continue to be front and center. I'm not sure where you live, but I live in VA which is a swing state. He is getting hammered on TV here by a Super Pac supporting HRC, and the message is about his business record, Trump U, etc. You will only see that increase in intensity as the season continues. As someone else aptly pointed out here, you will see HRC move towards constructive policy oriented messages, while Biden, Warren, Sanders and whoever the VP nomination is, go aggressive on that front.
    Oh he's definitely getting hammered in ads and on places like MSNBC over all that. I just don't think that it's registering with voters as much as Hillary's stuff is.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    so is the video ledgit or not ? has anybody looked it up on snoops ? you guy's... if she ordered a crime on Camera you'd still cry foul LOL !!!

    Godfather.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,676

    mrussel1 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    PJPOWER said:

    PJPOWER said:

    remember when we were talking about Zimmerman not being found guilty but.......HAHAHAHAHAH well here ya go, Hillary is guilty as hell for her email debacle and the events that have surrounded her and bill from almost the start are just a bit over whelming and still many of you keep throwing her a life preserver.....why ??????? and then start baggin on Trump who's "supposed" to have committed crimes ???????

    Godfather.

    The FBI says otherwise....I tend to agree with the FBI rather than uninformed people on message boards
    The State Department is re-opening an internal investigation into whether Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and her top aides mishandled classified information, Fox News confirmed late Thursday.

    The investigation, which was first reported by the Associated Press, focuses on how classified emails to and from Clinton's private server were categorized at the time they were sent.

    The State Department started its review in January after declaring 22 emails from Clinton's private server to be "top secret." The investigation was halted after the FBI began investigating Clinton's so-called "homebrew" email setup last April. On Wednesday, Attorney General Loretta Lynch said there would be no indictments resulting from the FBI probe.

    "Given the Department of Justice has now made its announcement, the State Department intends to conduct its internal review," State Department spokesman John Kirby said in a statement. "Our goal will be to be as transparent as possible about our results, while complying with our various legal obligations."

    Kirby set no deadline for the investigation's completion.

    Clinton was secretary of state until early 2013. Most of her top advisers left shortly thereafter.

    Kirby said earlier this week that former officials can still face "administrative sanctions." The most serious of those penalties is loss of security clearances, which could complicate Clinton's naming of a national security team if she becomes president.

    Beyond the Democratic front-runner, the probe is most likely examining confidants Cheryl Mills, Jake Sullivan and Huma Abedin, who wrote many of the emails to their boss that the various investigations have focused on. Mills, Clinton's chief of staff at the State Department, has been viewed as a possibility for the same job in the White House. There is speculation that Sullivan, Clinton's former policy chief, could be national security adviser.


    The State Department says it won't identify former officials that still hold security clearances. But in an email Fox News made public in February, the department described Mills as still holding a valid clearance.

    Fox News' Jennifer Griffin and the Associated Press contributed to this report.


    This is no surprise. The State Dept put a hold on their internal investigation when the FBI got involved to avoid any controversy.

    Now that the FBI has said there is nothing to bring charges on they are resuming their investigation. It's obvious that there are some issues there....as there probably are with EVERY agency including Congress.
    Sanctions such as loss of security clearances would most definitely be an interesting hurdle to contend with if she ever became POTUS... I'm actually liking the term "Careless Clinton". Has a nice ring to it. "Good ol' Careless Clinton has done it again". Will probably be using that a lot now, lol
    Yeah it's a good sound bite but doesn't really compare to Trump's fraud (Trump U/Charitiable contributions/Bankruptcies, etc.)
    Trumps fraud and Hillary's carelessness don't seem to make any difference to their constituents. I truly doubt many politicians have made it to their level without some level of fraudulent behavior. People ignore what they do not want to hear or if it's contradictory to something they're invested in, it's human nature.
    If Hillary would have been indicted that would change minds for sure. The majority of us see this for what it really is....a ploy by the GOP to make Hillary look bad.

    I'm not so sure, if Hillary had been indicted, there would have been shouts from the left about how she was mistreated and vilified and how the court of law had been corrupted, very similar to what the Republicans are doing now on the opposite front. I doubt many democrats would have said "Well, she's guilty, guess that's the end of it". That just doesn't happen.
    Disagree....if there was evidence that she lied, covered up, intentionally sent classified material, etc. she would have dropped out already for the sake of the party.
    she only operates for the sake of Hillary you really should pay closer attention.


    Godfather.
    And Trump has done that tenfold in his career. Both candidates suck.
    if Trump wins the election and turns out as bad as Hillary and Obama I'll be right on board with you but as I have said before while I support Trump I'd rather see the old hippie Bernie in the white house than that criminal Hillary.

    Godfather.
    What you just said really highlights an advantage that Trump seems to be enjoying in the election. Hillary, rightfully, is having her political record picked apart (as every politician before her has). But Trump has no political record and for some reason, his very questionable business ethics aren't being held against him as much as a political record would. It's like both his business failures and unethical practices don't count. All that seems to count is his political record....which so far....is clean.
    I disagree. I think his business record is and will continue to be front and center. I'm not sure where you live, but I live in VA which is a swing state. He is getting hammered on TV here by a Super Pac supporting HRC, and the message is about his business record, Trump U, etc. You will only see that increase in intensity as the season continues. As someone else aptly pointed out here, you will see HRC move towards constructive policy oriented messages, while Biden, Warren, Sanders and whoever the VP nomination is, go aggressive on that front.
    Oh he's definitely getting hammered in ads and on places like MSNBC over all that. I just don't think that it's registering with voters as much as Hillary's stuff is.
    I don't think there is any data to support that assertion. The latest polls show stability in the margins. Check out the latest polls. Rasmussen is even stable, even though they far over sample Republicans. They were the most inaccurate poll during 2012. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html


  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,298
    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

    It looks like this email thing is effecting Hillary's chances. She's only got a 77.8% chance to win vs 78.0% on July 1st.
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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,958

    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

    It looks like this email thing is effecting Hillary's chances. She's only got a 77.8% chance to win vs 78.0% on July 1st.

    :lol:
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,676

    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

    It looks like this email thing is effecting Hillary's chances. She's only got a 77.8% chance to win vs 78.0% on July 1st.

    Great look.. Love 538.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    it will truly be a shame if she wins......but hay ! that's politics'.

    Godfather.

  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,298

    it will truly be a shame if she wins......but hay ! that's politics'.

    Godfather.

    Disagree....I think it will be great. She will be a great president and the GOP will continue to falter until it disappears.
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    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,882
    mrussel1 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    PJPOWER said:

    PJPOWER said:

    remember when we were talking about Zimmerman not being found guilty but.......HAHAHAHAHAH well here ya go, Hillary is guilty as hell for her email debacle and the events that have surrounded her and bill from almost the start are just a bit over whelming and still many of you keep throwing her a life preserver.....why ??????? and then start baggin on Trump who's "supposed" to have committed crimes ???????

    Godfather.

    The FBI says otherwise....I tend to agree with the FBI rather than uninformed people on message boards
    The State Department is re-opening an internal investigation into whether Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and her top aides mishandled classified information, Fox News confirmed late Thursday.

    The investigation, which was first reported by the Associated Press, focuses on how classified emails to and from Clinton's private server were categorized at the time they were sent.

    The State Department started its review in January after declaring 22 emails from Clinton's private server to be "top secret." The investigation was halted after the FBI began investigating Clinton's so-called "homebrew" email setup last April. On Wednesday, Attorney General Loretta Lynch said there would be no indictments resulting from the FBI probe.

    "Given the Department of Justice has now made its announcement, the State Department intends to conduct its internal review," State Department spokesman John Kirby said in a statement. "Our goal will be to be as transparent as possible about our results, while complying with our various legal obligations."

    Kirby set no deadline for the investigation's completion.

    Clinton was secretary of state until early 2013. Most of her top advisers left shortly thereafter.

    Kirby said earlier this week that former officials can still face "administrative sanctions." The most serious of those penalties is loss of security clearances, which could complicate Clinton's naming of a national security team if she becomes president.

    Beyond the Democratic front-runner, the probe is most likely examining confidants Cheryl Mills, Jake Sullivan and Huma Abedin, who wrote many of the emails to their boss that the various investigations have focused on. Mills, Clinton's chief of staff at the State Department, has been viewed as a possibility for the same job in the White House. There is speculation that Sullivan, Clinton's former policy chief, could be national security adviser.


    The State Department says it won't identify former officials that still hold security clearances. But in an email Fox News made public in February, the department described Mills as still holding a valid clearance.

    Fox News' Jennifer Griffin and the Associated Press contributed to this report.


    This is no surprise. The State Dept put a hold on their internal investigation when the FBI got involved to avoid any controversy.

    Now that the FBI has said there is nothing to bring charges on they are resuming their investigation. It's obvious that there are some issues there....as there probably are with EVERY agency including Congress.
    Sanctions such as loss of security clearances would most definitely be an interesting hurdle to contend with if she ever became POTUS... I'm actually liking the term "Careless Clinton". Has a nice ring to it. "Good ol' Careless Clinton has done it again". Will probably be using that a lot now, lol
    Yeah it's a good sound bite but doesn't really compare to Trump's fraud (Trump U/Charitiable contributions/Bankruptcies, etc.)
    Trumps fraud and Hillary's carelessness don't seem to make any difference to their constituents. I truly doubt many politicians have made it to their level without some level of fraudulent behavior. People ignore what they do not want to hear or if it's contradictory to something they're invested in, it's human nature.
    If Hillary would have been indicted that would change minds for sure. The majority of us see this for what it really is....a ploy by the GOP to make Hillary look bad.

    I'm not so sure, if Hillary had been indicted, there would have been shouts from the left about how she was mistreated and vilified and how the court of law had been corrupted, very similar to what the Republicans are doing now on the opposite front. I doubt many democrats would have said "Well, she's guilty, guess that's the end of it". That just doesn't happen.
    Disagree....if there was evidence that she lied, covered up, intentionally sent classified material, etc. she would have dropped out already for the sake of the party.
    she only operates for the sake of Hillary you really should pay closer attention.


    Godfather.
    And Trump has done that tenfold in his career. Both candidates suck.
    if Trump wins the election and turns out as bad as Hillary and Obama I'll be right on board with you but as I have said before while I support Trump I'd rather see the old hippie Bernie in the white house than that criminal Hillary.

    Godfather.
    What you just said really highlights an advantage that Trump seems to be enjoying in the election. Hillary, rightfully, is having her political record picked apart (as every politician before her has). But Trump has no political record and for some reason, his very questionable business ethics aren't being held against him as much as a political record would. It's like both his business failures and unethical practices don't count. All that seems to count is his political record....which so far....is clean.
    I disagree. I think his business record is and will continue to be front and center. I'm not sure where you live, but I live in VA which is a swing state. He is getting hammered on TV here by a Super Pac supporting HRC, and the message is about his business record, Trump U, etc. You will only see that increase in intensity as the season continues. As someone else aptly pointed out here, you will see HRC move towards constructive policy oriented messages, while Biden, Warren, Sanders and whoever the VP nomination is, go aggressive on that front.
    Oh he's definitely getting hammered in ads and on places like MSNBC over all that. I just don't think that it's registering with voters as much as Hillary's stuff is.
    I don't think there is any data to support that assertion. The latest polls show stability in the margins. Check out the latest polls. Rasmussen is even stable, even though they far over sample Republicans. They were the most inaccurate poll during 2012. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html


    But shouldn't her lead be bigger?
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,676

    mrussel1 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    PJPOWER said:

    PJPOWER said:

    remember when we were talking about Zimmerman not being found guilty but.......HAHAHAHAHAH well here ya go, Hillary is guilty as hell for her email debacle and the events that have surrounded her and bill from almost the start are just a bit over whelming and still many of you keep throwing her a life preserver.....why ??????? and then start baggin on Trump who's "supposed" to have committed crimes ???????

    Godfather.

    The FBI says otherwise....I tend to agree with the FBI rather than uninformed people on message boards
    The State Department is re-opening an internal investigation into whether Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and her top aides mishandled classified information, Fox News confirmed late Thursday.

    The investigation, which was first reported by the Associated Press, focuses on how classified emails to and from Clinton's private server were categorized at the time they were sent.

    The State Department started its review in January after declaring 22 emails from Clinton's private server to be "top secret." The investigation was halted after the FBI began investigating Clinton's so-called "homebrew" email setup last April. On Wednesday, Attorney General Loretta Lynch said there would be no indictments resulting from the FBI probe.

    "Given the Department of Justice has now made its announcement, the State Department intends to conduct its internal review," State Department spokesman John Kirby said in a statement. "Our goal will be to be as transparent as possible about our results, while complying with our various legal obligations."

    Kirby set no deadline for the investigation's completion.

    Clinton was secretary of state until early 2013. Most of her top advisers left shortly thereafter.

    Kirby said earlier this week that former officials can still face "administrative sanctions." The most serious of those penalties is loss of security clearances, which could complicate Clinton's naming of a national security team if she becomes president.

    Beyond the Democratic front-runner, the probe is most likely examining confidants Cheryl Mills, Jake Sullivan and Huma Abedin, who wrote many of the emails to their boss that the various investigations have focused on. Mills, Clinton's chief of staff at the State Department, has been viewed as a possibility for the same job in the White House. There is speculation that Sullivan, Clinton's former policy chief, could be national security adviser.


    The State Department says it won't identify former officials that still hold security clearances. But in an email Fox News made public in February, the department described Mills as still holding a valid clearance.

    Fox News' Jennifer Griffin and the Associated Press contributed to this report.


    This is no surprise. The State Dept put a hold on their internal investigation when the FBI got involved to avoid any controversy.

    Now that the FBI has said there is nothing to bring charges on they are resuming their investigation. It's obvious that there are some issues there....as there probably are with EVERY agency including Congress.
    Sanctions such as loss of security clearances would most definitely be an interesting hurdle to contend with if she ever became POTUS... I'm actually liking the term "Careless Clinton". Has a nice ring to it. "Good ol' Careless Clinton has done it again". Will probably be using that a lot now, lol
    Yeah it's a good sound bite but doesn't really compare to Trump's fraud (Trump U/Charitiable contributions/Bankruptcies, etc.)
    Trumps fraud and Hillary's carelessness don't seem to make any difference to their constituents. I truly doubt many politicians have made it to their level without some level of fraudulent behavior. People ignore what they do not want to hear or if it's contradictory to something they're invested in, it's human nature.
    If Hillary would have been indicted that would change minds for sure. The majority of us see this for what it really is....a ploy by the GOP to make Hillary look bad.

    I'm not so sure, if Hillary had been indicted, there would have been shouts from the left about how she was mistreated and vilified and how the court of law had been corrupted, very similar to what the Republicans are doing now on the opposite front. I doubt many democrats would have said "Well, she's guilty, guess that's the end of it". That just doesn't happen.
    Disagree....if there was evidence that she lied, covered up, intentionally sent classified material, etc. she would have dropped out already for the sake of the party.
    she only operates for the sake of Hillary you really should pay closer attention.


    Godfather.
    And Trump has done that tenfold in his career. Both candidates suck.
    if Trump wins the election and turns out as bad as Hillary and Obama I'll be right on board with you but as I have said before while I support Trump I'd rather see the old hippie Bernie in the white house than that criminal Hillary.

    Godfather.
    What you just said really highlights an advantage that Trump seems to be enjoying in the election. Hillary, rightfully, is having her political record picked apart (as every politician before her has). But Trump has no political record and for some reason, his very questionable business ethics aren't being held against him as much as a political record would. It's like both his business failures and unethical practices don't count. All that seems to count is his political record....which so far....is clean.
    I disagree. I think his business record is and will continue to be front and center. I'm not sure where you live, but I live in VA which is a swing state. He is getting hammered on TV here by a Super Pac supporting HRC, and the message is about his business record, Trump U, etc. You will only see that increase in intensity as the season continues. As someone else aptly pointed out here, you will see HRC move towards constructive policy oriented messages, while Biden, Warren, Sanders and whoever the VP nomination is, go aggressive on that front.
    Oh he's definitely getting hammered in ads and on places like MSNBC over all that. I just don't think that it's registering with voters as much as Hillary's stuff is.
    I don't think there is any data to support that assertion. The latest polls show stability in the margins. Check out the latest polls. Rasmussen is even stable, even though they far over sample Republicans. They were the most inaccurate poll during 2012. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html


    But shouldn't her lead be bigger?
    Based on what? Obama was up by 5 or 6 in June.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    mrussel1 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    PJPOWER said:

    PJPOWER said:

    remember when we were talking about Zimmerman not being found guilty but.......HAHAHAHAHAH well here ya go, Hillary is guilty as hell for her email debacle and the events that have surrounded her and bill from almost the start are just a bit over whelming and still many of you keep throwing her a life preserver.....why ??????? and then start baggin on Trump who's "supposed" to have committed crimes ???????

    Godfather.

    The FBI says otherwise....I tend to agree with the FBI rather than uninformed people on message boards
    The State Department is re-opening an internal investigation into whether Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and her top aides mishandled classified information, Fox News confirmed late Thursday.

    The investigation, which was first reported by the Associated Press, focuses on how classified emails to and from Clinton's private server were categorized at the time they were sent.

    The State Department started its review in January after declaring 22 emails from Clinton's private server to be "top secret." The investigation was halted after the FBI began investigating Clinton's so-called "homebrew" email setup last April. On Wednesday, Attorney General Loretta Lynch said there would be no indictments resulting from the FBI probe.

    "Given the Department of Justice has now made its announcement, the State Department intends to conduct its internal review," State Department spokesman John Kirby said in a statement. "Our goal will be to be as transparent as possible about our results, while complying with our various legal obligations."

    Kirby set no deadline for the investigation's completion.

    Clinton was secretary of state until early 2013. Most of her top advisers left shortly thereafter.

    Kirby said earlier this week that former officials can still face "administrative sanctions." The most serious of those penalties is loss of security clearances, which could complicate Clinton's naming of a national security team if she becomes president.

    Beyond the Democratic front-runner, the probe is most likely examining confidants Cheryl Mills, Jake Sullivan and Huma Abedin, who wrote many of the emails to their boss that the various investigations have focused on. Mills, Clinton's chief of staff at the State Department, has been viewed as a possibility for the same job in the White House. There is speculation that Sullivan, Clinton's former policy chief, could be national security adviser.


    The State Department says it won't identify former officials that still hold security clearances. But in an email Fox News made public in February, the department described Mills as still holding a valid clearance.

    Fox News' Jennifer Griffin and the Associated Press contributed to this report.


    This is no surprise. The State Dept put a hold on their internal investigation when the FBI got involved to avoid any controversy.

    Now that the FBI has said there is nothing to bring charges on they are resuming their investigation. It's obvious that there are some issues there....as there probably are with EVERY agency including Congress.
    Sanctions such as loss of security clearances would most definitely be an interesting hurdle to contend with if she ever became POTUS... I'm actually liking the term "Careless Clinton". Has a nice ring to it. "Good ol' Careless Clinton has done it again". Will probably be using that a lot now, lol
    Yeah it's a good sound bite but doesn't really compare to Trump's fraud (Trump U/Charitiable contributions/Bankruptcies, etc.)
    Trumps fraud and Hillary's carelessness don't seem to make any difference to their constituents. I truly doubt many politicians have made it to their level without some level of fraudulent behavior. People ignore what they do not want to hear or if it's contradictory to something they're invested in, it's human nature.
    If Hillary would have been indicted that would change minds for sure. The majority of us see this for what it really is....a ploy by the GOP to make Hillary look bad.

    I'm not so sure, if Hillary had been indicted, there would have been shouts from the left about how she was mistreated and vilified and how the court of law had been corrupted, very similar to what the Republicans are doing now on the opposite front. I doubt many democrats would have said "Well, she's guilty, guess that's the end of it". That just doesn't happen.
    Disagree....if there was evidence that she lied, covered up, intentionally sent classified material, etc. she would have dropped out already for the sake of the party.
    she only operates for the sake of Hillary you really should pay closer attention.


    Godfather.
    And Trump has done that tenfold in his career. Both candidates suck.
    if Trump wins the election and turns out as bad as Hillary and Obama I'll be right on board with you but as I have said before while I support Trump I'd rather see the old hippie Bernie in the white house than that criminal Hillary.

    Godfather.
    What you just said really highlights an advantage that Trump seems to be enjoying in the election. Hillary, rightfully, is having her political record picked apart (as every politician before her has). But Trump has no political record and for some reason, his very questionable business ethics aren't being held against him as much as a political record would. It's like both his business failures and unethical practices don't count. All that seems to count is his political record....which so far....is clean.
    I disagree. I think his business record is and will continue to be front and center. I'm not sure where you live, but I live in VA which is a swing state. He is getting hammered on TV here by a Super Pac supporting HRC, and the message is about his business record, Trump U, etc. You will only see that increase in intensity as the season continues. As someone else aptly pointed out here, you will see HRC move towards constructive policy oriented messages, while Biden, Warren, Sanders and whoever the VP nomination is, go aggressive on that front.
    Oh he's definitely getting hammered in ads and on places like MSNBC over all that. I just don't think that it's registering with voters as much as Hillary's stuff is.
    I don't think there is any data to support that assertion. The latest polls show stability in the margins. Check out the latest polls. Rasmussen is even stable, even though they far over sample Republicans. They were the most inaccurate poll during 2012. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html


    But shouldn't her lead be bigger?
    Based on what? Obama was up by 5 or 6 in June.
    Obama wasn't running against Trump ;)
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,882
    mrussel1 said:



    Based on what? Obama was up by 5 or 6 in June.

    He ran against a well-spoken former governor. She's running against a corrupt, psychotic, quasi-racist. She's like a #1 seed that easily won her conference (the democratic primary) and on paper, should totally kill the fluky wildcard team that somehow defied all logic by winning their conference (Trump). Yet he's still very much in the game.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,676

    mrussel1 said:



    Based on what? Obama was up by 5 or 6 in June.

    He ran against a well-spoken former governor. She's running against a corrupt, psychotic, quasi-racist. She's like a #1 seed that easily won her conference (the democratic primary) and on paper, should totally kill the fluky wildcard team that somehow defied all logic by winning their conference (Trump). Yet he's still very much in the game.
    I disagree. Bernie still has yet to endorse, and that's coming next week. I think she is doing fine. I don't recall Obama having 8-11 point leads at all in '12 but HRC has those in some polls. Most importantly, the electoral map looks really good for her right now. She has the Obama states and is tight in AZ, NC, NH, etc. I think she is in solid shape considering the email deal. And there's no evidence Trump will improve his performance. His two speeches this week were rambling 65 minute lists of petty grievances and stream of consciousness. That aint' changing.
  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    edited July 2016
    This is from a non bias site, Pew Research Center. It's not exactly Clinton 77%, Trump 22%...

    2016 Campaign: Strong Interest, Widespread Dissatisfaction


    http://www.people-press.org/2016/07/07/2016-campaign-strong-interest-widespread-dissatisfaction/
    As Republicans and Democrats prepare for their party conventions later this month, a new national survey paints a bleak picture of voters’ impressions of the presidential campaign and the choices they face in November.

    Overall satisfaction with the choice of candidates is at its lowest point in two decades. Currently, fewer than half of registered voters in both parties – 43% of Democrats and 40% of Republicans – say they are satisfied with their choices for president....
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,676
    Free said:

    This is from a non bias site, Pew Research Center. It's not exactly Clinton 77%, Trump 22%...

    2016 Campaign: Strong Interest, Widespread Dissatisfaction


    http://www.people-press.org/2016/07/07/2016-campaign-strong-interest-widespread-dissatisfaction/

    77-22 is not polling numbers. It's the chance of winning the POTUS using the Electoral College.
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,298
    Free said:

    This is from a non bias site, Pew Research Center. It's not exactly Clinton 77%, Trump 22%...

    2016 Campaign: Strong Interest, Widespread Dissatisfaction


    http://www.people-press.org/2016/07/07/2016-campaign-strong-interest-widespread-dissatisfaction/

    As Republicans and Democrats prepare for their party conventions later this month, a new national survey paints a bleak picture of voters’ impressions of the presidential campaign and the choices they face in November.

    Overall satisfaction with the choice of candidates is at its lowest point in two decades. Currently, fewer than half of registered voters in both parties – 43% of Democrats and 40% of Republicans – say they are satisfied with their choices for president....
    No....the 77% is the likelihood of her winning based on polls. It's not her support.
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