I don't know how many times this has to be stated: it is a fact, in my opinion, that you simply cannot get to the highest office in the land without backroom bullshit. I am shocked that nothing about Obama has come to light. Maybe he's the exception, maybe he's just that damn good. Either way both hillary and donald are not immune. If you think he is anti establishment, you are a fool. If you think he gives a shit about you, you are a fool. If you think he wont use the presidency as a springboard to make millions afterwards, you are a fool.
Either participate in the system or dont. But dont even try to put one candidate on a an anti corruption pedestal over the other. If you do, you are a fool.
It comes down, unfortunately, in this particular election, of who you think wont put the country into the ground financially, socially, progressively, and diplomatically.
To me, without question, that person is hillary. Trump has the bigger potential to be a trainwreck. He is a massive risk that i cant believe so many are comfortable taking. With hillary, you get more of the same. With trump, you dont have a sweet clue what you are getting.
You really think POTUS is the highest office in the land? Is that why out of a country of 300 + million these are the best the US can do, no way sir, I seriously doubt the best and brightest enter politics...more like leeches who suck off the productivity of others.
it is the highest office. i didn't say it was occupied by the highest. an eagle's nest full of rats.
lol
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I don't know how many times this has to be stated: it is a fact, in my opinion, that you simply cannot get to the highest office in the land without backroom bullshit. I am shocked that nothing about Obama has come to light. Maybe he's the exception, maybe he's just that damn good. Either way both hillary and donald are not immune. If you think he is anti establishment, you are a fool. If you think he gives a shit about you, you are a fool. If you think he wont use the presidency as a springboard to make millions afterwards, you are a fool.
Either participate in the system or dont. But dont even try to put one candidate on a an anti corruption pedestal over the other. If you do, you are a fool.
It comes down, unfortunately, in this particular election, of who you think wont put the country into the ground financially, socially, progressively, and diplomatically.
To me, without question, that person is hillary. Trump has the bigger potential to be a trainwreck. He is a massive risk that i cant believe so many are comfortable taking. With hillary, you get more of the same. With trump, you dont have a sweet clue what you are getting.
You really think POTUS is the highest office in the land? Is that why out of a country of 300 + million these are the best the US can do, no way sir, I seriously doubt the best and brightest enter politics...more like leeches who suck off the productivity of others.
It is very strange that a Canadian regard POTUS the highest office of the land from Canada.
Whats the highest office in Canada?
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
“I’m troubled by the revelation that you and this campaign actually discussed ‘using’ Eric Garner … Why would you want to ‘use my dad?” she said. “These people will co opt anything to push their agenda. Police violence is not the same as gun violence.
“I’m troubled by the revelation that you and this campaign actually discussed ‘using’ Eric Garner … Why would you want to ‘use my dad?” she said. “These people will co opt anything to push their agenda. Police violence is not the same as gun violence.
Hillary for president and all costs ?
Godfather.
what? no link to the actual email? once again, when you actually read the content it seems pretty benign.
and i hate to toss around the word irony so loosely. but you're accusing the campaign of 'using' Eric Garner to push their agenda, while you're 'using' Erica Garner to push yours.
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“I’m troubled by the revelation that you and this campaign actually discussed ‘using’ Eric Garner … Why would you want to ‘use my dad?” she said. “These people will co opt anything to push their agenda. Police violence is not the same as gun violence.
Hillary for president and all costs ?
Godfather.
what? no link to the actual email? once again, when you actually read the content it seems pretty benign.
and i hate to toss around the word irony so loosely. but you're accusing the campaign of 'using' Eric Garner to push their agenda, while you're 'using' Erica Garner to push yours.
From:kfinney@hillaryclinton.com To: nmerrill@hillaryclinton.com Date: 2016-03-17 21:42 Subject: Re: HRC Op-Ed on Gun Violence
Agree with 1-3, couple of things - first as former senator from NY we need an NYC example, either naming a victim or applauding some of the efforts in the City to deal with the issue like a group of mothers in Harlem or members of the city council pushing CDC to collect data;
Also reminder that Re: Eric Garner he wasn't killed by a gun it was police violence.
Last just flagging that one of the more high-profile cases recently involved two police officers from the precinct right next to the Avalon apt building a bunch of us live in, I think they were shot sitting in their car. So would keep the emphasis on young people losing their lives to gun violence
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On Mar 17, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Nick Merrill wrote:
Four small things:
I'd change "him" to "them" in the first line.
I'm not sure I'd say she's lead the fight on the Charleston loophole, because she really has no power other than to advocate or denounce. Good to be strong in our language but might lose that first line.
And check the NRA piece with Jen. That played strangely in Ohio for us at least initially. I think it should stay in but flag that for her.
Finally, I know we have Erica Garner issues but we don't want to mention Eric at all? I can see her coming after us for leaving him out of the piece.
On Mar 17, 2016, at 5:18 PM, Corey Ciorciari wrote:
On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Ben Krauss wrote:
> Hey everyone, > > This op-ed is live again, and we've made a few revisions. Would be great > if everyone could take another quick look so we can get to HRC tonight. > > Thanks! > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Emily Aden > wrote: > >> Research edits attached, need backup on one stat. >> >> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Harrell Kirstein < >> hkirstein@hillaryclinton.com> wrote: >> >>> I like it. Since it is the NYDN I think we should add the terrorist >>> watch list piece. I defer to you on where but we could stick at the end of >>> this riff as a proof point against the NRA? >>> >>> I’ve been fighting for this issue for years. So have families across >>> the country. Still, the NRA and their allies in Congress have managed to >>> block even the most commonsense reforms.
>>> --- >>> Harrell Kirstein >>> hkirstein@hillaryclinton.com >>> 609 915-5662 | @harrellkirstein >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Ben Krauss wrote: >>> >>>> Hey everyone, >>>> >>>> Attaching a draft op-ed from HRC on gun violence for placement in the >>>> New York Daily News. >>>> >>>> Please let me know any edits or comments in the next hour or so. >>>> >>>> Thanks!
> Benjamin A. Krauss > +1 (914) 299-6480 > bakrauss@gmail.com > -- Corey Ciorciari Policy Department Hillary for America @CoreyCiorciari
“I’m troubled by the revelation that you and this campaign actually discussed ‘using’ Eric Garner … Why would you want to ‘use my dad?” she said. “These people will co opt anything to push their agenda. Police violence is not the same as gun violence.
Hillary for president and all costs ?
Godfather.
what? no link to the actual email? once again, when you actually read the content it seems pretty benign.
and i hate to toss around the word irony so loosely. but you're accusing the campaign of 'using' Eric Garner to push their agenda, while you're 'using' Erica Garner to push yours.
From:kfinney@hillaryclinton.com To: nmerrill@hillaryclinton.com Date: 2016-03-17 21:42 Subject: Re: HRC Op-Ed on Gun Violence
Agree with 1-3, couple of things - first as former senator from NY we need an NYC example, either naming a victim or applauding some of the efforts in the City to deal with the issue like a group of mothers in Harlem or members of the city council pushing CDC to collect data;
Also reminder that Re: Eric Garner he wasn't killed by a gun it was police violence.
Last just flagging that one of the more high-profile cases recently involved two police officers from the precinct right next to the Avalon apt building a bunch of us live in, I think they were shot sitting in their car. So would keep the emphasis on young people losing their lives to gun violence
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 17, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Nick Merrill wrote:
Four small things:
I'd change "him" to "them" in the first line.
I'm not sure I'd say she's lead the fight on the Charleston loophole, because she really has no power other than to advocate or denounce. Good to be strong in our language but might lose that first line.
And check the NRA piece with Jen. That played strangely in Ohio for us at least initially. I think it should stay in but flag that for her.
Finally, I know we have Erica Garner issues but we don't want to mention Eric at all? I can see her coming after us for leaving him out of the piece.
On Mar 17, 2016, at 5:18 PM, Corey Ciorciari wrote:
On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Ben Krauss wrote:
> Hey everyone, > > This op-ed is live again, and we've made a few revisions. Would be great > if everyone could take another quick look so we can get to HRC tonight. > > Thanks! > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Emily Aden > wrote: > >> Research edits attached, need backup on one stat. >> >> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Harrell Kirstein < >> hkirstein@hillaryclinton.com> wrote: >> >>> I like it. Since it is the NYDN I think we should add the terrorist >>> watch list piece. I defer to you on where but we could stick at the end of >>> this riff as a proof point against the NRA? >>> >>> I’ve been fighting for this issue for years. So have families across >>> the country. Still, the NRA and their allies in Congress have managed to >>> block even the most commonsense reforms.
>>> --- >>> Harrell Kirstein >>> hkirstein@hillaryclinton.com >>> 609 915-5662 | @harrellkirstein >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Ben Krauss wrote: >>> >>>> Hey everyone, >>>> >>>> Attaching a draft op-ed from HRC on gun violence for placement in the >>>> New York Daily News. >>>> >>>> Please let me know any edits or comments in the next hour or so. >>>> >>>> Thanks!
> Benjamin A. Krauss > +1 (914) 299-6480 > bakrauss@gmail.com > -- Corey Ciorciari Policy Department Hillary for America @CoreyCiorciari
“I’m troubled by the revelation that you and this campaign actually discussed ‘using’ Eric Garner … Why would you want to ‘use my dad?” she said. “These people will co opt anything to push their agenda. Police violence is not the same as gun violence.
Hillary for president and all costs ?
Godfather.
what? no link to the actual email? once again, when you actually read the content it seems pretty benign.
and i hate to toss around the word irony so loosely. but you're accusing the campaign of 'using' Eric Garner to push their agenda, while you're 'using' Erica Garner to push yours.
From:kfinney@hillaryclinton.com To: nmerrill@hillaryclinton.com Date: 2016-03-17 21:42 Subject: Re: HRC Op-Ed on Gun Violence
Agree with 1-3, couple of things - first as former senator from NY we need an NYC example, either naming a victim or applauding some of the efforts in the City to deal with the issue like a group of mothers in Harlem or members of the city council pushing CDC to collect data;
Also reminder that Re: Eric Garner he wasn't killed by a gun it was police violence.
Last just flagging that one of the more high-profile cases recently involved two police officers from the precinct right next to the Avalon apt building a bunch of us live in, I think they were shot sitting in their car. So would keep the emphasis on young people losing their lives to gun violence
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 17, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Nick Merrill wrote:
Four small things:
I'd change "him" to "them" in the first line.
I'm not sure I'd say she's lead the fight on the Charleston loophole, because she really has no power other than to advocate or denounce. Good to be strong in our language but might lose that first line.
And check the NRA piece with Jen. That played strangely in Ohio for us at least initially. I think it should stay in but flag that for her.
Finally, I know we have Erica Garner issues but we don't want to mention Eric at all? I can see her coming after us for leaving him out of the piece.
On Mar 17, 2016, at 5:18 PM, Corey Ciorciari wrote:
On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Ben Krauss wrote:
> Hey everyone, > > This op-ed is live again, and we've made a few revisions. Would be great > if everyone could take another quick look so we can get to HRC tonight. > > Thanks! > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Emily Aden > wrote: > >> Research edits attached, need backup on one stat. >> >> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Harrell Kirstein < >> hkirstein@hillaryclinton.com> wrote: >> >>> I like it. Since it is the NYDN I think we should add the terrorist >>> watch list piece. I defer to you on where but we could stick at the end of >>> this riff as a proof point against the NRA? >>> >>> I’ve been fighting for this issue for years. So have families across >>> the country. Still, the NRA and their allies in Congress have managed to >>> block even the most commonsense reforms.
>>> --- >>> Harrell Kirstein >>> hkirstein@hillaryclinton.com >>> 609 915-5662 | @harrellkirstein >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Ben Krauss wrote: >>> >>>> Hey everyone, >>>> >>>> Attaching a draft op-ed from HRC on gun violence for placement in the >>>> New York Daily News. >>>> >>>> Please let me know any edits or comments in the next hour or so. >>>> >>>> Thanks!
> Benjamin A. Krauss > +1 (914) 299-6480 > bakrauss@gmail.com > -- Corey Ciorciari Policy Department Hillary for America @CoreyCiorciari
And your issue is?
someone wanted a link to the wikileak and i obliged....this is what Erica Garner was pissed about
using her father as part of an anti gun campaign while speaking "ill" of her instead of making the issue about police brutality
“I’m troubled by the revelation that you and this campaign actually discussed ‘using’ Eric Garner … Why would you want to ‘use my dad?” she said. “These people will co opt anything to push their agenda. Police violence is not the same as gun violence.
Hillary for president and all costs ?
Godfather.
what? no link to the actual email? once again, when you actually read the content it seems pretty benign.
and i hate to toss around the word irony so loosely. but you're accusing the campaign of 'using' Eric Garner to push their agenda, while you're 'using' Erica Garner to push yours.
From:kfinney@hillaryclinton.com To: nmerrill@hillaryclinton.com Date: 2016-03-17 21:42 Subject: Re: HRC Op-Ed on Gun Violence
Agree with 1-3, couple of things - first as former senator from NY we need an NYC example, either naming a victim or applauding some of the efforts in the City to deal with the issue like a group of mothers in Harlem or members of the city council pushing CDC to collect data;
Also reminder that Re: Eric Garner he wasn't killed by a gun it was police violence.
Last just flagging that one of the more high-profile cases recently involved two police officers from the precinct right next to the Avalon apt building a bunch of us live in, I think they were shot sitting in their car. So would keep the emphasis on young people losing their lives to gun violence
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 17, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Nick Merrill wrote:
Four small things:
I'd change "him" to "them" in the first line.
I'm not sure I'd say she's lead the fight on the Charleston loophole, because she really has no power other than to advocate or denounce. Good to be strong in our language but might lose that first line.
And check the NRA piece with Jen. That played strangely in Ohio for us at least initially. I think it should stay in but flag that for her.
Finally, I know we have Erica Garner issues but we don't want to mention Eric at all? I can see her coming after us for leaving him out of the piece.
On Mar 17, 2016, at 5:18 PM, Corey Ciorciari wrote:
On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Ben Krauss wrote:
> Hey everyone, > > This op-ed is live again, and we've made a few revisions. Would be great > if everyone could take another quick look so we can get to HRC tonight. > > Thanks! > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Emily Aden > wrote: > >> Research edits attached, need backup on one stat. >> >> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Harrell Kirstein < >> hkirstein@hillaryclinton.com> wrote: >> >>> I like it. Since it is the NYDN I think we should add the terrorist >>> watch list piece. I defer to you on where but we could stick at the end of >>> this riff as a proof point against the NRA? >>> >>> I’ve been fighting for this issue for years. So have families across >>> the country. Still, the NRA and their allies in Congress have managed to >>> block even the most commonsense reforms.
>>> --- >>> Harrell Kirstein >>> hkirstein@hillaryclinton.com >>> 609 915-5662 | @harrellkirstein >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Ben Krauss wrote: >>> >>>> Hey everyone, >>>> >>>> Attaching a draft op-ed from HRC on gun violence for placement in the >>>> New York Daily News. >>>> >>>> Please let me know any edits or comments in the next hour or so. >>>> >>>> Thanks!
> Benjamin A. Krauss > +1 (914) 299-6480 > bakrauss@gmail.com > -- Corey Ciorciari Policy Department Hillary for America @CoreyCiorciari
And your issue is?
someone wanted a link to the wikileak and i obliged....this is what Erica Garner was pissed about
using her father as part of an anti gun campaign while speaking "ill" of her instead of making the issue about police brutality
I get why your responding but again, what's the issue? Read the email chain in time sequence. The 9:48 or so email says not to use Eric garner in this context. The link provided to the article doesn't mention Eric garner. "Her" could refer to HRC not Eric Garner's wife or sister. Where is this ill will you speak of? Where's the link to the NYP op ed? Did Eric Garner get mentioned there? If so, in what context?
“I’m troubled by the revelation that you and this campaign actually discussed ‘using’ Eric Garner … Why would you want to ‘use my dad?” she said. “These people will co opt anything to push their agenda. Police violence is not the same as gun violence.
Hillary for president and all costs ?
Godfather.
what? no link to the actual email? once again, when you actually read the content it seems pretty benign.
and i hate to toss around the word irony so loosely. but you're accusing the campaign of 'using' Eric Garner to push their agenda, while you're 'using' Erica Garner to push yours.
From:kfinney@hillaryclinton.com To: nmerrill@hillaryclinton.com Date: 2016-03-17 21:42 Subject: Re: HRC Op-Ed on Gun Violence
Agree with 1-3, couple of things - first as former senator from NY we need an NYC example, either naming a victim or applauding some of the efforts in the City to deal with the issue like a group of mothers in Harlem or members of the city council pushing CDC to collect data;
Also reminder that Re: Eric Garner he wasn't killed by a gun it was police violence.
Last just flagging that one of the more high-profile cases recently involved two police officers from the precinct right next to the Avalon apt building a bunch of us live in, I think they were shot sitting in their car. So would keep the emphasis on young people losing their lives to gun violence
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 17, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Nick Merrill wrote:
Four small things:
I'd change "him" to "them" in the first line.
I'm not sure I'd say she's lead the fight on the Charleston loophole, because she really has no power other than to advocate or denounce. Good to be strong in our language but might lose that first line.
And check the NRA piece with Jen. That played strangely in Ohio for us at least initially. I think it should stay in but flag that for her.
Finally, I know we have Erica Garner issues but we don't want to mention Eric at all? I can see her coming after us for leaving him out of the piece.
On Mar 17, 2016, at 5:18 PM, Corey Ciorciari wrote:
On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Ben Krauss wrote:
> Hey everyone, > > This op-ed is live again, and we've made a few revisions. Would be great > if everyone could take another quick look so we can get to HRC tonight. > > Thanks! > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Emily Aden > wrote: > >> Research edits attached, need backup on one stat. >> >> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Harrell Kirstein < >> hkirstein@hillaryclinton.com> wrote: >> >>> I like it. Since it is the NYDN I think we should add the terrorist >>> watch list piece. I defer to you on where but we could stick at the end of >>> this riff as a proof point against the NRA? >>> >>> I’ve been fighting for this issue for years. So have families across >>> the country. Still, the NRA and their allies in Congress have managed to >>> block even the most commonsense reforms.
>>> --- >>> Harrell Kirstein >>> hkirstein@hillaryclinton.com >>> 609 915-5662 | @harrellkirstein >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Ben Krauss wrote: >>> >>>> Hey everyone, >>>> >>>> Attaching a draft op-ed from HRC on gun violence for placement in the >>>> New York Daily News. >>>> >>>> Please let me know any edits or comments in the next hour or so. >>>> >>>> Thanks!
> Benjamin A. Krauss > +1 (914) 299-6480 > bakrauss@gmail.com > -- Corey Ciorciari Policy Department Hillary for America @CoreyCiorciari
And your issue is?
someone wanted a link to the wikileak and i obliged....this is what Erica Garner was pissed about
using her father as part of an anti gun campaign while speaking "ill" of her instead of making the issue about police brutality
I get why your responding but again, what's the issue? Read the email chain in time sequence. The 9:48 or so email says not to use Eric garner in this context. The link provided to the article doesn't mention Eric garner. "Her" could refer to HRC not Eric Garner's wife or sister. Where is this ill will you speak of? Where's the link to the NYP op ed? Did Eric Garner get mentioned there? If so, in what context?
out of all the things that have come out i personally don't have a big issue with this but i see why Erica Garner might, but its grasping at straws unless there is another email i didn't see and read...they wanted to shift the focus on guns and not police violence...there is an agenda there, but nothing ground breaking
“I’m troubled by the revelation that you and this campaign actually discussed ‘using’ Eric Garner … Why would you want to ‘use my dad?” she said. “These people will co opt anything to push their agenda. Police violence is not the same as gun violence.
Hillary for president and all costs ?
Godfather.
what? no link to the actual email? once again, when you actually read the content it seems pretty benign.
and i hate to toss around the word irony so loosely. but you're accusing the campaign of 'using' Eric Garner to push their agenda, while you're 'using' Erica Garner to push yours.
From:kfinney@hillaryclinton.com To: nmerrill@hillaryclinton.com Date: 2016-03-17 21:42 Subject: Re: HRC Op-Ed on Gun Violence
Agree with 1-3, couple of things - first as former senator from NY we need an NYC example, either naming a victim or applauding some of the efforts in the City to deal with the issue like a group of mothers in Harlem or members of the city council pushing CDC to collect data;
Also reminder that Re: Eric Garner he wasn't killed by a gun it was police violence.
Last just flagging that one of the more high-profile cases recently involved two police officers from the precinct right next to the Avalon apt building a bunch of us live in, I think they were shot sitting in their car. So would keep the emphasis on young people losing their lives to gun violence
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 17, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Nick Merrill wrote:
Four small things:
I'd change "him" to "them" in the first line.
I'm not sure I'd say she's lead the fight on the Charleston loophole, because she really has no power other than to advocate or denounce. Good to be strong in our language but might lose that first line.
And check the NRA piece with Jen. That played strangely in Ohio for us at least initially. I think it should stay in but flag that for her.
Finally, I know we have Erica Garner issues but we don't want to mention Eric at all? I can see her coming after us for leaving him out of the piece.
On Mar 17, 2016, at 5:18 PM, Corey Ciorciari wrote:
On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Ben Krauss wrote:
> Hey everyone, > > This op-ed is live again, and we've made a few revisions. Would be great > if everyone could take another quick look so we can get to HRC tonight. > > Thanks! > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Emily Aden > wrote: > >> Research edits attached, need backup on one stat. >> >> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Harrell Kirstein < >> hkirstein@hillaryclinton.com> wrote: >> >>> I like it. Since it is the NYDN I think we should add the terrorist >>> watch list piece. I defer to you on where but we could stick at the end of >>> this riff as a proof point against the NRA? >>> >>> I’ve been fighting for this issue for years. So have families across >>> the country. Still, the NRA and their allies in Congress have managed to >>> block even the most commonsense reforms.
>>> --- >>> Harrell Kirstein >>> hkirstein@hillaryclinton.com >>> 609 915-5662 | @harrellkirstein >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Ben Krauss wrote: >>> >>>> Hey everyone, >>>> >>>> Attaching a draft op-ed from HRC on gun violence for placement in the >>>> New York Daily News. >>>> >>>> Please let me know any edits or comments in the next hour or so. >>>> >>>> Thanks!
> Benjamin A. Krauss > +1 (914) 299-6480 > bakrauss@gmail.com > -- Corey Ciorciari Policy Department Hillary for America @CoreyCiorciari
And your issue is?
someone wanted a link to the wikileak and i obliged....this is what Erica Garner was pissed about
using her father as part of an anti gun campaign while speaking "ill" of her instead of making the issue about police brutality
I get why your responding but again, what's the issue? Read the email chain in time sequence. The 9:48 or so email says not to use Eric garner in this context. The link provided to the article doesn't mention Eric garner. "Her" could refer to HRC not Eric Garner's wife or sister. Where is this ill will you speak of? Where's the link to the NYP op ed? Did Eric Garner get mentioned there? If so, in what context?
out of all the things that have come out i personally don't have a big issue with this but i see why Erica Garner might, but its grasping at straws unless there is another email i didn't see and read...they wanted to shift the focus on guns and not police violence...there is an agenda there, but nothing ground breaking
Yea, the agenda is stricter gun control, something Hillary has been for for decades. In a political campaign no less. The outrage.
I've read probably at least 20 of these types of posts where the poster makes a claim, posts the alleged emails and imbedd links and after spending some time reading through it all, it turns out to be complete horseshit. When I've challenged the original poster with questions or calling it out as horseshit, I've been ignored or gotten a response like yours, no big deal.
Yawn. Distort and distract. Turd Blossom is proud.
“I’m troubled by the revelation that you and this campaign actually discussed ‘using’ Eric Garner … Why would you want to ‘use my dad?” she said. “These people will co opt anything to push their agenda. Police violence is not the same as gun violence.
Hillary for president and all costs ?
Godfather.
what? no link to the actual email? once again, when you actually read the content it seems pretty benign.
and i hate to toss around the word irony so loosely. but you're accusing the campaign of 'using' Eric Garner to push their agenda, while you're 'using' Erica Garner to push yours.
From:kfinney@hillaryclinton.com To: nmerrill@hillaryclinton.com Date: 2016-03-17 21:42 Subject: Re: HRC Op-Ed on Gun Violence
Agree with 1-3, couple of things - first as former senator from NY we need an NYC example, either naming a victim or applauding some of the efforts in the City to deal with the issue like a group of mothers in Harlem or members of the city council pushing CDC to collect data;
Also reminder that Re: Eric Garner he wasn't killed by a gun it was police violence.
Last just flagging that one of the more high-profile cases recently involved two police officers from the precinct right next to the Avalon apt building a bunch of us live in, I think they were shot sitting in their car. So would keep the emphasis on young people losing their lives to gun violence
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On Mar 17, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Nick Merrill wrote:
Four small things:
I'd change "him" to "them" in the first line.
I'm not sure I'd say she's lead the fight on the Charleston loophole, because she really has no power other than to advocate or denounce. Good to be strong in our language but might lose that first line.
And check the NRA piece with Jen. That played strangely in Ohio for us at least initially. I think it should stay in but flag that for her.
Finally, I know we have Erica Garner issues but we don't want to mention Eric at all? I can see her coming after us for leaving him out of the piece.
On Mar 17, 2016, at 5:18 PM, Corey Ciorciari wrote:
On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Ben Krauss wrote:
> Hey everyone, > > This op-ed is live again, and we've made a few revisions. Would be great > if everyone could take another quick look so we can get to HRC tonight. > > Thanks! > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Emily Aden > wrote: > >> Research edits attached, need backup on one stat. >> >> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Harrell Kirstein < >> hkirstein@hillaryclinton.com> wrote: >> >>> I like it. Since it is the NYDN I think we should add the terrorist >>> watch list piece. I defer to you on where but we could stick at the end of >>> this riff as a proof point against the NRA? >>> >>> I’ve been fighting for this issue for years. So have families across >>> the country. Still, the NRA and their allies in Congress have managed to >>> block even the most commonsense reforms.
>>> --- >>> Harrell Kirstein >>> hkirstein@hillaryclinton.com >>> 609 915-5662 | @harrellkirstein >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Ben Krauss wrote: >>> >>>> Hey everyone, >>>> >>>> Attaching a draft op-ed from HRC on gun violence for placement in the >>>> New York Daily News. >>>> >>>> Please let me know any edits or comments in the next hour or so. >>>> >>>> Thanks!
> Benjamin A. Krauss > +1 (914) 299-6480 > bakrauss@gmail.com > -- Corey Ciorciari Policy Department Hillary for America @CoreyCiorciari
And your issue is?
someone wanted a link to the wikileak and i obliged....this is what Erica Garner was pissed about
using her father as part of an anti gun campaign while speaking "ill" of her instead of making the issue about police brutality
I get why your responding but again, what's the issue? Read the email chain in time sequence. The 9:48 or so email says not to use Eric garner in this context. The link provided to the article doesn't mention Eric garner. "Her" could refer to HRC not Eric Garner's wife or sister. Where is this ill will you speak of? Where's the link to the NYP op ed? Did Eric Garner get mentioned there? If so, in what context?
out of all the things that have come out i personally don't have a big issue with this but i see why Erica Garner might, but its grasping at straws unless there is another email i didn't see and read...they wanted to shift the focus on guns and not police violence...there is an agenda there, but nothing ground breaking
Yea, the agenda is stricter gun control, something Hillary has been for for decades. In a political campaign no less. The outrage.
I've read probably at least 20 of these types of posts where the poster makes a claim, posts the alleged emails and imbedd links and after spending some time reading through it all, it turns out to be complete horseshit. When I've challenged the original poster with questions or calling it out as horseshit, I've been ignored or gotten a response like yours, no big deal.
Yawn. Distort and distract. Turd Blossom is proud.
That's the Fox News formula. Horseshit.
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Has anyone ever met anyone who actually likes Hillary Clinton? Several of you are voting for her, but do you actually like her? Most of the people I've met who are supporting her are mainly supporting her because of trump or because she's the left candidate. Does this kind of explain why she can't get people to turn out for her live events?
Has anyone ever met anyone who actually likes Hillary Clinton? Several of you are voting for her, but do you actually like her? Most of the people I've met who are supporting her are mainly supporting her because of trump or because she's the left candidate. Does this kind of explain why she can't get people to turn out for her live events?
LOL...more with the attendance?
Yes I like her. I know a lot of people that like her and can't get over the bullshit she is having to go through.
I've said a few times on here...she is getting worse treatment as a woman than Obama did as an African American. Unreal.
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Has anyone ever met anyone who actually likes Hillary Clinton? Several of you are voting for her, but do you actually like her? Most of the people I've met who are supporting her are mainly supporting her because of trump or because she's the left candidate. Does this kind of explain why she can't get people to turn out for her live events?
I've liked her for a long time...and I liked her even more after she had her alien baby.
Has anyone ever met anyone who actually likes Hillary Clinton? Several of you are voting for her, but do you actually like her? Most of the people I've met who are supporting her are mainly supporting her because of trump or because she's the left candidate. Does this kind of explain why she can't get people to turn out for her live events?
LOL...more with the attendance?
Yes I like her. I know a lot of people that like her and can't get over the bullshit she is having to go through.
I've said a few times on here...she is getting worse treatment as a woman than Obama did as an African American. Unreal.
Wait... First off, that's your screwed up personal opionion. The fact that she has been consistently polling so high in the negative department for over a year is reality. Second, She's getting the worst treatment because why? You honestly can't be that blind to the fact that she herself is doing this to herself. We believed, before the leaks, that she was screwed up and now with the leaks it proves it. People disliked her for being a two face politician, amongst many other reasons, and the leaks have proven that to be fact.
You've said it yourself several times that wasn't the best candidate. Not only that, but the fact is that you are a former BernieBro, or was that all BS? Therefore there was definitely a better option for you. Her having attendance issues has always been the case. That was the case during the primaries. There's no need to play games here. It is what it is.
Has anyone ever met anyone who actually likes Hillary Clinton? Several of you are voting for her, but do you actually like her? Most of the people I've met who are supporting her are mainly supporting her because of trump or because she's the left candidate. Does this kind of explain why she can't get people to turn out for her live events?
LOL...more with the attendance?
Yes I like her. I know a lot of people that like her and can't get over the bullshit she is having to go through.
I've said a few times on here...she is getting worse treatment as a woman than Obama did as an African American. Unreal.
Wait... First off, that's your screwed up personal opionion. The fact that she has been consistently polling so high in the negative department for over a year is reality. Second, She's getting the worst treatment because why? You honestly can't be that blind to the fact that she herself is doing this to herself. We believed before the leaks, and now with the leaks it proves it. People disliked her for being a two face politician, amongst many other reasons, and the leaks have proven that to be fact.
You've said it yourself several times that wasn't the best candidate. Not only that, but the fact is that you are a former BernieBro, or was that all BS? Therefore there was definitely a better option for you. Her having attendance issues has always been the case. That was the case during the primaries. There's no need to play games here. It is what it is.
Polling negative because of bullshit attacks.
No I don't believe she is doing it to herself. Look at the fucking emails. Admit it...you expected to see some really damaging shit in there and there isn't any.
She's a politician yes....she was nominated over Bernie Sanders and one other guy. No one else wanted to go up against her.
It remains to be seen how the election will turn out but a significant win for Clinton will show you how lopsided the coverage is. She wins because of people like me. Reasonable, intelligent people that see through the bullshit that you can't see through.
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Has anyone ever met anyone who actually likes Hillary Clinton? Several of you are voting for her, but do you actually like her? Most of the people I've met who are supporting her are mainly supporting her because of trump or because she's the left candidate. Does this kind of explain why she can't get people to turn out for her live events?
LOL...more with the attendance?
Yes I like her. I know a lot of people that like her and can't get over the bullshit she is having to go through.
I've said a few times on here...she is getting worse treatment as a woman than Obama did as an African American. Unreal.
Wait... First off, that's your screwed up personal opionion. The fact that she has been consistently polling so high in the negative department for over a year is reality. Second, She's getting the worst treatment because why? You honestly can't be that blind to the fact that she herself is doing this to herself. We believed before the leaks, and now with the leaks it proves it. People disliked her for being a two face politician, amongst many other reasons, and the leaks have proven that to be fact.
You've said it yourself several times that wasn't the best candidate. Not only that, but the fact is that you are a former BernieBro, or was that all BS? Therefore there was definitely a better option for you. Her having attendance issues has always been the case. That was the case during the primaries. There's no need to play games here. It is what it is.
You're trying to talk as though her being a woman hasn't altered people's perception because of gender bias and double standards. Part of the negative perception with Hillary is that she's seen as cold and/or a b---h. The expectation about women that people hold is that there has to be a certain level of interpersonal warmth combined with placating others. This expectation just isn't there for male politicians.
Has anyone ever met anyone who actually likes Hillary Clinton? Several of you are voting for her, but do you actually like her? Most of the people I've met who are supporting her are mainly supporting her because of trump or because she's the left candidate. Does this kind of explain why she can't get people to turn out for her live events?
LOL...more with the attendance?
Yes I like her. I know a lot of people that like her and can't get over the bullshit she is having to go through.
I've said a few times on here...she is getting worse treatment as a woman than Obama did as an African American. Unreal.
Wait... First off, that's your screwed up personal opionion. The fact that she has been consistently polling so high in the negative department for over a year is reality. Second, She's getting the worst treatment because why? You honestly can't be that blind to the fact that she herself is doing this to herself. We believed before the leaks, and now with the leaks it proves it. People disliked her for being a two face politician, amongst many other reasons, and the leaks have proven that to be fact.
You've said it yourself several times that wasn't the best candidate. Not only that, but the fact is that you are a former BernieBro, or was that all BS? Therefore there was definitely a better option for you. Her having attendance issues has always been the case. That was the case during the primaries. There's no need to play games here. It is what it is.
Polling negative because of bullshit attacks.
.
and this is where we find out that there is nothing, even facts, can sway you
Trump has dealt with some BS attacks being labeled a racist, xenophobe, a rapist and whatever else with no proof, but yes poor Hillary with all this evidence just piling up
Has anyone ever met anyone who actually likes Hillary Clinton? Several of you are voting for her, but do you actually like her? Most of the people I've met who are supporting her are mainly supporting her because of trump or because she's the left candidate. Does this kind of explain why she can't get people to turn out for her live events?
LOL...more with the attendance?
Yes I like her. I know a lot of people that like her and can't get over the bullshit she is having to go through.
I've said a few times on here...she is getting worse treatment as a woman than Obama did as an African American. Unreal.
Wait... First off, that's your screwed up personal opionion. The fact that she has been consistently polling so high in the negative department for over a year is reality. Second, She's getting the worst treatment because why? You honestly can't be that blind to the fact that she herself is doing this to herself. We believed before the leaks, and now with the leaks it proves it. People disliked her for being a two face politician, amongst many other reasons, and the leaks have proven that to be fact.
You've said it yourself several times that wasn't the best candidate. Not only that, but the fact is that you are a former BernieBro, or was that all BS? Therefore there was definitely a better option for you. Her having attendance issues has always been the case. That was the case during the primaries. There's no need to play games here. It is what it is.
Polling negative because of bullshit attacks.
.
and this is where we find out that there is nothing, even facts, can sway you
Trump has dealt with some BS attacks being labeled a racist, xenophone, a rapist and whatever else with no proof, but yes poor Hillary with all this evidence just piling up
For real? Trump has admitted that he is a sex offender.
Has anyone ever met anyone who actually likes Hillary Clinton? Several of you are voting for her, but do you actually like her? Most of the people I've met who are supporting her are mainly supporting her because of trump or because she's the left candidate. Does this kind of explain why she can't get people to turn out for her live events?
LOL...more with the attendance?
Yes I like her. I know a lot of people that like her and can't get over the bullshit she is having to go through.
I've said a few times on here...she is getting worse treatment as a woman than Obama did as an African American. Unreal.
Wait... First off, that's your screwed up personal opionion. The fact that she has been consistently polling so high in the negative department for over a year is reality. Second, She's getting the worst treatment because why? You honestly can't be that blind to the fact that she herself is doing this to herself. We believed before the leaks, and now with the leaks it proves it. People disliked her for being a two face politician, amongst many other reasons, and the leaks have proven that to be fact.
You've said it yourself several times that wasn't the best candidate. Not only that, but the fact is that you are a former BernieBro, or was that all BS? Therefore there was definitely a better option for you. Her having attendance issues has always been the case. That was the case during the primaries. There's no need to play games here. It is what it is.
Polling negative because of bullshit attacks.
.
and this is where we find out that there is nothing, even facts, can sway you
Trump has dealt with some BS attacks being labeled a racist, xenophobe, a rapist and whatever else with no proof, but yes poor Hillary with all this evidence just piling up
That shit came right out of Trump's mouth.
I know she has some baggage....just nothing near what is being assigned to her. And no where fucking close to what Trump has on him.
If the Clinton Foundation had the IRS penalty that the Trump Foundation did you would be going ballistic.
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Has anyone ever met anyone who actually likes Hillary Clinton? Several of you are voting for her, but do you actually like her? Most of the people I've met who are supporting her are mainly supporting her because of trump or because she's the left candidate. Does this kind of explain why she can't get people to turn out for her live events?
LOL...more with the attendance?
Yes I like her. I know a lot of people that like her and can't get over the bullshit she is having to go through.
I've said a few times on here...she is getting worse treatment as a woman than Obama did as an African American. Unreal.
Wait... First off, that's your screwed up personal opionion. The fact that she has been consistently polling so high in the negative department for over a year is reality. Second, She's getting the worst treatment because why? You honestly can't be that blind to the fact that she herself is doing this to herself. We believed before the leaks, and now with the leaks it proves it. People disliked her for being a two face politician, amongst many other reasons, and the leaks have proven that to be fact.
You've said it yourself several times that wasn't the best candidate. Not only that, but the fact is that you are a former BernieBro, or was that all BS? Therefore there was definitely a better option for you. Her having attendance issues has always been the case. That was the case during the primaries. There's no need to play games here. It is what it is.
You're trying to talk as though her being a woman hasn't altered people's perception because of gender bias and double standards. Part of the negative perception with Hillary is that she's seen as cold and/or a b---h. The expectation about women that people hold is that there has to be a certain level of interpersonal warmth combined with placating others. This expectation just isn't there for male politicians.
Huh?!? Who the hell even mentioned her gender? We're talking About reality here, brother! Her gender hasn't even been brought up once in this campaign, like race was brought up for Obama. Stop wasting time. So you can have that convo with someone else.
Has anyone ever met anyone who actually likes Hillary Clinton? Several of you are voting for her, but do you actually like her? Most of the people I've met who are supporting her are mainly supporting her because of trump or because she's the left candidate. Does this kind of explain why she can't get people to turn out for her live events?
LOL...more with the attendance?
Yes I like her. I know a lot of people that like her and can't get over the bullshit she is having to go through.
I've said a few times on here...she is getting worse treatment as a woman than Obama did as an African American. Unreal.
Wait... First off, that's your screwed up personal opionion. The fact that she has been consistently polling so high in the negative department for over a year is reality. Second, She's getting the worst treatment because why? You honestly can't be that blind to the fact that she herself is doing this to herself. We believed, before the leaks, that she was screwed up and now with the leaks it proves it. People disliked her for being a two face politician, amongst many other reasons, and the leaks have proven that to be fact.
You've said it yourself several times that wasn't the best candidate. Not only that, but the fact is that you are a former BernieBro, or was that all BS? Therefore there was definitely a better option for you. Her having attendance issues has always been the case. That was the case during the primaries. There's no need to play games here. It is what it is.
oooohhhh bam ! Gern that was a real truth bomb and it just blew up all in your ass ! sorry Tonifig8 for using your post but it was spot on and I couldn't resist. LOL !!!!!
Has anyone ever met anyone who actually likes Hillary Clinton? Several of you are voting for her, but do you actually like her? Most of the people I've met who are supporting her are mainly supporting her because of trump or because she's the left candidate. Does this kind of explain why she can't get people to turn out for her live events?
LOL...more with the attendance?
Yes I like her. I know a lot of people that like her and can't get over the bullshit she is having to go through.
I've said a few times on here...she is getting worse treatment as a woman than Obama did as an African American. Unreal.
Wait... First off, that's your screwed up personal opionion. The fact that she has been consistently polling so high in the negative department for over a year is reality. Second, She's getting the worst treatment because why? You honestly can't be that blind to the fact that she herself is doing this to herself. We believed before the leaks, and now with the leaks it proves it. People disliked her for being a two face politician, amongst many other reasons, and the leaks have proven that to be fact.
You've said it yourself several times that wasn't the best candidate. Not only that, but the fact is that you are a former BernieBro, or was that all BS? Therefore there was definitely a better option for you. Her having attendance issues has always been the case. That was the case during the primaries. There's no need to play games here. It is what it is.
Polling negative because of bullshit attacks.
.
and this is where we find out that there is nothing, even facts, can sway you
Trump has dealt with some BS attacks being labeled a racist, xenophone, a rapist and whatever else with no proof, but yes poor Hillary with all this evidence just piling up
For real? Trump has admitted that he is a sex offender.
Trump has a laundry list of issues too i won't even try and deny that im just saying there is alot of BS being thrown his way too thats isn't backed up with facts
Has anyone ever met anyone who actually likes Hillary Clinton? Several of you are voting for her, but do you actually like her? Most of the people I've met who are supporting her are mainly supporting her because of trump or because she's the left candidate. Does this kind of explain why she can't get people to turn out for her live events?
LOL...more with the attendance?
Yes I like her. I know a lot of people that like her and can't get over the bullshit she is having to go through.
I've said a few times on here...she is getting worse treatment as a woman than Obama did as an African American. Unreal.
Wait... First off, that's your screwed up personal opionion. The fact that she has been consistently polling so high in the negative department for over a year is reality. Second, She's getting the worst treatment because why? You honestly can't be that blind to the fact that she herself is doing this to herself. We believed before the leaks, and now with the leaks it proves it. People disliked her for being a two face politician, amongst many other reasons, and the leaks have proven that to be fact.
You've said it yourself several times that wasn't the best candidate. Not only that, but the fact is that you are a former BernieBro, or was that all BS? Therefore there was definitely a better option for you. Her having attendance issues has always been the case. That was the case during the primaries. There's no need to play games here. It is what it is.
Polling negative because of bullshit attacks.
No I don't believe she is doing it to herself. Look at the fucking emails. Admit it...you expected to see some really damaging shit in there and there isn't any.
She's a politician yes....she was nominated over Bernie Sanders and one other guy. No one else wanted to go up against her.
It remains to be seen how the election will turn out but a significant win for Clinton will show you how lopsided the coverage is. She wins because of people like me. Reasonable, intelligent people that see through the bullshit that you can't see through.
Wait! How the hell is she polling negative because of bullshit attacks with the fucking media is on her side?!? Who's sending those bullshit attacks... The person she's running against likes to talk about grabbing pussy and is a complete moron. Yet she still in a very contested race. You're talking like an elitist, "people like me who are intelligent... Blah blah blah..." Wtf is wrong with you? She was nominated over Sanders, and you were a BernieBro- therefore there was someone better in the election, so that means you like her enough to vote for her, but you'd prefer sanders(since that was your primary candidate). Let's not forget DWS resigned because her and the DNC rigged the primary as much as they possibly could.
The emails have proven a whole fucking lot! We weren't looking for her to be arrested(stop kidding yourself) we would hope she would, but ultimately we got the satisfaction that we were right! The fact that we're Not conspiracy nuts and that we were telling the truth. Hillary Clinton is a two face piece of garbage politician! That's exactly what she is! All about the money for her and all about misleading the American public. That's why she has two different policy positions. Example, She takes money from donors, such as the guy who is fighting for GMO labeling, and then does something entirely different. The list goes on and on!
im sure there are people who genuinely like her, such as her high ranking staff and those few people who turn out for her events(assuming most aren't getting paid to be there), but the majority of you folks are voting for her because of trump! You are a prima example, a former BernieBro.
Has anyone ever met anyone who actually likes Hillary Clinton? Several of you are voting for her, but do you actually like her? Most of the people I've met who are supporting her are mainly supporting her because of trump or because she's the left candidate. Does this kind of explain why she can't get people to turn out for her live events?
LOL...more with the attendance?
Yes I like her. I know a lot of people that like her and can't get over the bullshit she is having to go through.
I've said a few times on here...she is getting worse treatment as a woman than Obama did as an African American. Unreal.
Wait... First off, that's your screwed up personal opionion. The fact that she has been consistently polling so high in the negative department for over a year is reality. Second, She's getting the worst treatment because why? You honestly can't be that blind to the fact that she herself is doing this to herself. We believed before the leaks, and now with the leaks it proves it. People disliked her for being a two face politician, amongst many other reasons, and the leaks have proven that to be fact.
You've said it yourself several times that wasn't the best candidate. Not only that, but the fact is that you are a former BernieBro, or was that all BS? Therefore there was definitely a better option for you. Her having attendance issues has always been the case. That was the case during the primaries. There's no need to play games here. It is what it is.
You're trying to talk as though her being a woman hasn't altered people's perception because of gender bias and double standards. Part of the negative perception with Hillary is that she's seen as cold and/or a b---h. The expectation about women that people hold is that there has to be a certain level of interpersonal warmth combined with placating others. This expectation just isn't there for male politicians.
Huh?!? Who the hell even mentioned her gender? We're talking About reality here, brother! Her gender hasn't even been brought up once in this campaign, like race was brought up for Obama. Stop wasting time. So you can have that convo with someone else.
Maybe I'm going too fast for ya. You talked about the negative perception of her, I was saying gender bias and sexism plays a role in this. Gender doesn't have to be brought up specifically for it to be an issue. If often happens below the conscience anyway. People have expectations on how women should act and they look at different things to judge them on. An example is why Bill is brought up so often. Women are judged more on their relationships with others and that their relationships will influence them more than men, and men are perceived to be more independent, so you hear less about their relationships. Don't you pay attention to how people treat women differently than men in the same situation?
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Pretty much everyone I know personally who are voting for Hillary are actually voting against Trump. What a strange process that is. Some of us refuse to throw our votes away in that manner. My voting for Stein may seem like throwing a vote away but it is never a waste to take action that stands with one's beliefs.
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“I’m troubled by the revelation that you and this campaign actually discussed ‘using’ Eric Garner … Why would you want to ‘use my dad?” she said. “These people will co opt anything to push their agenda. Police violence is not the same as gun violence.
Hillary for president and all costs ?
Godfather.
once again, when you actually read the content it seems pretty benign.
and i hate to toss around the word irony so loosely. but you're accusing the campaign of 'using' Eric Garner to push their agenda, while you're 'using' Erica Garner to push yours.
Re: HRC Op-Ed on Gun Violence
From:kfinney@hillaryclinton.com
To: nmerrill@hillaryclinton.com
Date: 2016-03-17 21:42
Subject: Re: HRC Op-Ed on Gun Violence
Agree with 1-3, couple of things - first as former senator from NY we need
an NYC example, either naming a victim or applauding some of the efforts in
the City to deal with the issue like a group of mothers in Harlem or
members of the city council pushing CDC to collect data;
Also reminder that Re: Eric Garner he wasn't killed by a gun it was police
violence.
Last just flagging that one of the more high-profile cases recently
involved two police officers from the precinct right next to the Avalon
apt building a bunch of us live in, I think they were shot sitting in their
car. So would keep the emphasis on young people losing their lives to gun
violence
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On Mar 17, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Nick Merrill
wrote:
Four small things:
I'd change "him" to "them" in the first line.
I'm not sure I'd say she's lead the fight on the Charleston loophole,
because she really has no power other than to advocate or denounce. Good
to be strong in our language but might lose that first line.
And check the NRA piece with Jen. That played strangely in Ohio for us at
least initially. I think it should stay in but flag that for her.
Finally, I know we have Erica Garner issues but we don't want to mention
Eric at all? I can see her coming after us for leaving him out of the
piece.
On Mar 17, 2016, at 5:18 PM, Corey Ciorciari
wrote:
Here is 55k back-up: http://labs.time.com/story/gun-loophole/
On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Ben Krauss wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> This op-ed is live again, and we've made a few revisions. Would be great
> if everyone could take another quick look so we can get to HRC tonight.
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Emily Aden
> wrote:
>
>> Research edits attached, need backup on one stat.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Harrell Kirstein <
>> hkirstein@hillaryclinton.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I like it. Since it is the NYDN I think we should add the terrorist
>>> watch list piece. I defer to you on where but we could stick at the end of
>>> this riff as a proof point against the NRA?
>>>
>>> I’ve been fighting for this issue for years. So have families across
>>> the country. Still, the NRA and their allies in Congress have managed to
>>> block even the most commonsense reforms.
>>> ---
>>> Harrell Kirstein
>>> hkirstein@hillaryclinton.com
>>> 609 915-5662 | @harrellkirstein
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Ben Krauss wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey everyone,
>>>>
>>>> Attaching a draft op-ed from HRC on gun violence for placement in the
>>>> New York Daily News.
>>>>
>>>> Please let me know any edits or comments in the next hour or so.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
> Benjamin A. Krauss
> +1 (914) 299-6480
> bakrauss@gmail.com
>
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using her father as part of an anti gun campaign while speaking "ill" of her instead of making the issue about police brutality
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1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
I've read probably at least 20 of these types of posts where the poster makes a claim, posts the alleged emails and imbedd links and after spending some time reading through it all, it turns out to be complete horseshit. When I've challenged the original poster with questions or calling it out as horseshit, I've been ignored or gotten a response like yours, no big deal.
Yawn. Distort and distract. Turd Blossom is proud.
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1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Does this kind of explain why she can't get people to turn out for her live events?
Yes I like her. I know a lot of people that like her and can't get over the bullshit she is having to go through.
I've said a few times on here...she is getting worse treatment as a woman than Obama did as an African American. Unreal.
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
You've said it yourself several times that wasn't the best candidate. Not only that, but the fact is that you are a former BernieBro, or was that all BS? Therefore there was definitely a better option for you.
Her having attendance issues has always been the case. That was the case during the primaries. There's no need to play games here. It is what it is.
No I don't believe she is doing it to herself. Look at the fucking emails. Admit it...you expected to see some really damaging shit in there and there isn't any.
She's a politician yes....she was nominated over Bernie Sanders and one other guy. No one else wanted to go up against her.
It remains to be seen how the election will turn out but a significant win for Clinton will show you how lopsided the coverage is. She wins because of people like me. Reasonable, intelligent people that see through the bullshit that you can't see through.
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Trump has dealt with some BS attacks being labeled a racist, xenophobe, a rapist and whatever else with no proof, but yes poor Hillary with all this evidence just piling up
I know she has some baggage....just nothing near what is being assigned to her. And no where fucking close to what Trump has on him.
If the Clinton Foundation had the IRS penalty that the Trump Foundation did you would be going ballistic.
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Huh?!? Who the hell even mentioned her gender? We're talking About reality here, brother! Her gender hasn't even been brought up once in this campaign, like race was brought up for Obama. Stop wasting time. So you can have that convo with someone else.
sorry Tonifig8 for using your post but it was spot on and I couldn't resist. LOL !!!!!
Godfather.
You're talking like an elitist, "people like me who are intelligent... Blah blah blah..." Wtf is wrong with you?
She was nominated over Sanders, and you were a BernieBro- therefore there was someone better in the election, so that means you like her enough to vote for her, but you'd prefer sanders(since that was your primary candidate). Let's not forget DWS resigned because her and the DNC rigged the primary as much as they possibly could.
The emails have proven a whole fucking lot! We weren't looking for her to be arrested(stop kidding yourself) we would hope she would, but ultimately we got the satisfaction that we were right! The fact that we're Not conspiracy nuts and that we were telling the truth. Hillary Clinton is a two face piece of garbage politician! That's exactly what she is! All about the money for her and all about misleading the American public. That's why she has two different policy positions. Example, She takes money from donors, such as the guy who is fighting for GMO labeling, and then does something entirely different. The list goes on and on!
im sure there are people who genuinely like her, such as her high ranking staff and those few people who turn out for her events(assuming most aren't getting paid to be there), but the majority of you folks are voting for her because of trump! You are a prima example, a former BernieBro.