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    That is a sad assessment Gambs but I won't argue as it is your state and there is no doubt that you know it better then me. I guess my question is if your state in certain parts is as racist as you say then how did it go for Obama in both elections? Why is it trending towards Trump now? Has it become more racist in the last 8 years or is it simply that the African American vote is completely unethused by Clinton. The racism argument just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me considering it's previous voting record.

    Just from the info you guys have stated here, I would assume it's because Ohio was a lot more eager to be xenophobic against Muslims than they were to be racist against black people. Being scared about and angry at Muslims is one of Trump's major platforms, and a lot of Americans are eating it up for breakfast.
    Really?
    Yeah, why? You don't think that a lot of people have been lured in by Trump's very extreme views when it comes to Muslims? It's one of his main talking points.
    No. I don't think that explains it at all. I think that again is using the racism card to discount the real concerns of the working class voter that democrats no longer care to address.

    https://youtu.be/1_O_1bucvaw
    But how does the GOP convince the working class to vote for them? By suggesting that their lives are worse because of affirmative action (racism), immigrants that take their jobs (racism), taxes that are increasing (which they aren't for the middle class).
    Or things like NAFTA and TPP are outsourcing all of the manufacturing jobs.
    Now I'm really confused. Are the factories moving to Mexico? Or are the Mexicans coming here to steal our jobs?
    The jobs are outsourced and your shit party is subsidizing an invasion of third world countries.

    You get what you want, the end of the white race, endless dem votes, and your "diversity". You won't have to worry about rigging elections anymore.

    Unfortunately it also imports a real rape culture, unlike the imagined one in the states, a real war on women, and imports people that throw gays off of building roofs.

    Congrats!


    well that was the most depressing thing I'll read all day. it's so sad people actually think this is how the world is.
    You're in Minneapolis have you looked around the city???? Parts of it look like a 3rd world country
    Yeah and 99% of it doesn't. I guess you think poverty is something new in this country.
    99% of is doesn't??? every city have poverty but Minneapolis is a Somali ISIS breading ground...i used to live there and go back often to visit and i don't even recognize most of the city anymore.....anyway irrelevant to this thread i suppose

    It's not irrelevant. Hillary's America will be like this in every town.
    Fear of a Black Planet right here. I thought you gun owners weren't afraid of nuthin?
    Black planet? Uh no.

    I've never claimed to be unafraid. The prospect of a Clinton Presidency terrifies me. I don't want to see the USA go down the drain to pacify her globalist boss.
    How do you ever step outside of your bunker?
    Aren't you in Canada?
    oh, here we go with the "you aren't from here, you have no valid opinion" argument again. "america is an island, unless you support my position".
    Just wondering how you became so much of an expert on illegal immigration and the importation of thousands of "refugees" because your country manufactured another illegal war with a country that is sending these "refugees".

    How much of a burden is it to Canada? I mean, from your personal experience of course.

    Does Trudeau get his strings pulled by Soros and the Saudis as easily as Clinton does hers?
    I didn't become an expert. never claimed that. why is that retort used so often against the left? if you are disagreed with, somehow that person is claiming to be an expert. it's either we are idiots or we're experts with some of you.
    And if we disagree with your policies we are accused of being racist.

    wrong. I don't think everyone on the right is a racist. nor do I believe that all trump supporters are racist. I do, however, think someone is a racist based on their dialogue. yours today seems dangerously close to that classification. Which honestly comes as a surprise to me. I never pegged you as someone who was concerned for the "preservation of the white race" and the "influx of rapists from the south", to paraphrase some recent comments of yours.
    And yes that's paraphrasing.

    My statement was that the left wants to see the end of the white race.

    I stand by that. That is not racist, well not on my part anyway.

    I also said your desire for diversity will import a real rape culture, and judging by the events that took place in Germany and other parts of Europe it is a factually accurate statement.
    Are you concerned about cross breeding between whites and other colors? Is that what you mean by the end of the white race?
    I can't tell you why the left wants to end it, you'd have to ask a leftist.
    let's say they do (they don't). why does it matter to you?
    7% of the babies born here are born to illegal immigrants.

    It's a problem when they don't bring anything to the table.

    The USA is turning into a country of consumers, not producers. The gravy train will end at some point.

    That is my fear.
    I'll trade you the 2nd amendment for the 14th. And so much for that holier than thou document you're always waving around.

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/09/11/number-of-babies-born-in-u-s-to-unauthorized-immigrants-declines/

    Seems Obama's done a pretty good job in this regard as well.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
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    That is a sad assessment Gambs but I won't argue as it is your state and there is no doubt that you know it better then me. I guess my question is if your state in certain parts is as racist as you say then how did it go for Obama in both elections? Why is it trending towards Trump now? Has it become more racist in the last 8 years or is it simply that the African American vote is completely unethused by Clinton. The racism argument just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me considering it's previous voting record.

    Just from the info you guys have stated here, I would assume it's because Ohio was a lot more eager to be xenophobic against Muslims than they were to be racist against black people. Being scared about and angry at Muslims is one of Trump's major platforms, and a lot of Americans are eating it up for breakfast.
    Really?
    Yeah, why? You don't think that a lot of people have been lured in by Trump's very extreme views when it comes to Muslims? It's one of his main talking points.
    No. I don't think that explains it at all. I think that again is using the racism card to discount the real concerns of the working class voter that democrats no longer care to address.

    https://youtu.be/1_O_1bucvaw
    But how does the GOP convince the working class to vote for them? By suggesting that their lives are worse because of affirmative action (racism), immigrants that take their jobs (racism), taxes that are increasing (which they aren't for the middle class).
    Or things like NAFTA and TPP are outsourcing all of the manufacturing jobs.
    Now I'm really confused. Are the factories moving to Mexico? Or are the Mexicans coming here to steal our jobs?
    The jobs are outsourced and your shit party is subsidizing an invasion of third world countries.

    You get what you want, the end of the white race, endless dem votes, and your "diversity". You won't have to worry about rigging elections anymore.

    Unfortunately it also imports a real rape culture, unlike the imagined one in the states, a real war on women, and imports people that throw gays off of building roofs.

    Congrats!


    well that was the most depressing thing I'll read all day. it's so sad people actually think this is how the world is.
    You're in Minneapolis have you looked around the city???? Parts of it look like a 3rd world country
    Yeah and 99% of it doesn't. I guess you think poverty is something new in this country.
    99% of is doesn't??? every city have poverty but Minneapolis is a Somali ISIS breading ground...i used to live there and go back often to visit and i don't even recognize most of the city anymore.....anyway irrelevant to this thread i suppose

    It's not irrelevant. Hillary's America will be like this in every town.
    Fear of a Black Planet right here. I thought you gun owners weren't afraid of nuthin?
    Black planet? Uh no.

    I've never claimed to be unafraid. The prospect of a Clinton Presidency terrifies me. I don't want to see the USA go down the drain to pacify her globalist boss.
    How do you ever step outside of your bunker?
    Aren't you in Canada?
    oh, here we go with the "you aren't from here, you have no valid opinion" argument again. "america is an island, unless you support my position".
    Just wondering how you became so much of an expert on illegal immigration and the importation of thousands of "refugees" because your country manufactured another illegal war with a country that is sending these "refugees".

    How much of a burden is it to Canada? I mean, from your personal experience of course.

    Does Trudeau get his strings pulled by Soros and the Saudis as easily as Clinton does hers?
    I didn't become an expert. never claimed that. why is that retort used so often against the left? if you are disagreed with, somehow that person is claiming to be an expert. it's either we are idiots or we're experts with some of you.
    And if we disagree with your policies we are accused of being racist.

    wrong. I don't think everyone on the right is a racist. nor do I believe that all trump supporters are racist. I do, however, think someone is a racist based on their dialogue. yours today seems dangerously close to that classification. Which honestly comes as a surprise to me. I never pegged you as someone who was concerned for the "preservation of the white race" and the "influx of rapists from the south", to paraphrase some recent comments of yours.
    And yes that's paraphrasing.

    My statement was that the left wants to see the end of the white race.

    I stand by that. That is not racist, well not on my part anyway.

    I also said your desire for diversity will import a real rape culture, and judging by the events that took place in Germany and other parts of Europe it is a factually accurate statement.
    Are you concerned about cross breeding between whites and other colors? Is that what you mean by the end of the white race?
    I can't tell you why the left wants to end it, you'd have to ask a leftist.
    let's say they do (they don't). why does it matter to you?
    7% of the babies born here are born to illegal immigrants.

    It's a problem when they don't bring anything to the table.

    The USA is turning into a country of consumers, not producers. The gravy train will end at some point.

    That is my fear.
    I'll trade you the 2nd amendment for the 14th. And so much for that holier than thou document you're always waving around.

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/09/11/number-of-babies-born-in-u-s-to-unauthorized-immigrants-declines/

    Seems Obama's done a pretty good job in this regard as well.
    Nah, we'll need the 2nd to settle more than the 14th.

    Getting rid of 2A won't matter much anyway.
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    carry on not addressing the recent wikis and her unquenchable thirst for the dolla dolla bill y'all.

    I am confused. I thought most Americans are really gung-ho about making money.
    that's what funny about this. nothing is addressed about Trump's legal avoidance of taxes and bankruptcy claims which left thousands of workers and vendors without payment, but aw, "Hillary likes to make money making speeches! for shame!". And all this "queen" talk leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth. You never heard anyone talk about a male POTUS or candidate as "king". what's with the queen bullshit? I'm guessing it's a dig at her supporters that the perception is they are grovelling idiots who will bow down to her and believe everything she says. which is rubbish. almost all of them have already plainly stated that they'd only prefer her over Trump, because that's the choice they were given. no other reason.
    PRIVATE CITIZEN. duhhhhh

    So Bill Clinton was expected to do what after leaving the White House? Never work again?
    So you think that people who work for government have no right to secondary incomes?
    jesus, no kidding. what a stupid argument.
    Having his Secretary of State wife line up cash donors from Russian oligarchs to Moroccan Kings for PAY FOR PLAY services is wholey kosher. lmao

    of course it's not. but.....Trump.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487

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    carry on not addressing the recent wikis and her unquenchable thirst for the dolla dolla bill y'all.

    I am confused. I thought most Americans are really gung-ho about making money.
    that's what funny about this. nothing is addressed about Trump's legal avoidance of taxes and bankruptcy claims which left thousands of workers and vendors without payment, but aw, "Hillary likes to make money making speeches! for shame!". And all this "queen" talk leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth. You never heard anyone talk about a male POTUS or candidate as "king". what's with the queen bullshit? I'm guessing it's a dig at her supporters that the perception is they are grovelling idiots who will bow down to her and believe everything she says. which is rubbish. almost all of them have already plainly stated that they'd only prefer her over Trump, because that's the choice they were given. no other reason.
    PRIVATE CITIZEN. duhhhhh

    So Bill Clinton was expected to do what after leaving the White House? Never work again?
    So you think that people who work for government have no right to secondary incomes?
    jesus, no kidding. what a stupid argument.
    Having his Secretary of State wife line up cash donors from Russian oligarchs to Moroccan Kings for PAY FOR PLAY services is wholey kosher. lmao

    of course it's not. but.....Trump.
    Why? Because he's said bad things?
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    That is a sad assessment Gambs but I won't argue as it is your state and there is no doubt that you know it better then me. I guess my question is if your state in certain parts is as racist as you say then how did it go for Obama in both elections? Why is it trending towards Trump now? Has it become more racist in the last 8 years or is it simply that the African American vote is completely unethused by Clinton. The racism argument just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me considering it's previous voting record.

    Just from the info you guys have stated here, I would assume it's because Ohio was a lot more eager to be xenophobic against Muslims than they were to be racist against black people. Being scared about and angry at Muslims is one of Trump's major platforms, and a lot of Americans are eating it up for breakfast.
    Really?
    Yeah, why? You don't think that a lot of people have been lured in by Trump's very extreme views when it comes to Muslims? It's one of his main talking points.
    No. I don't think that explains it at all. I think that again is using the racism card to discount the real concerns of the working class voter that democrats no longer care to address.

    https://youtu.be/1_O_1bucvaw
    But how does the GOP convince the working class to vote for them? By suggesting that their lives are worse because of affirmative action (racism), immigrants that take their jobs (racism), taxes that are increasing (which they aren't for the middle class).
    Or things like NAFTA and TPP are outsourcing all of the manufacturing jobs.
    Now I'm really confused. Are the factories moving to Mexico? Or are the Mexicans coming here to steal our jobs?
    The jobs are outsourced and your shit party is subsidizing an invasion of third world countries.

    You get what you want, the end of the white race, endless dem votes, and your "diversity". You won't have to worry about rigging elections anymore.

    Unfortunately it also imports a real rape culture, unlike the imagined one in the states, a real war on women, and imports people that throw gays off of building roofs.

    Congrats!


    well that was the most depressing thing I'll read all day. it's so sad people actually think this is how the world is.
    You're in Minneapolis have you looked around the city???? Parts of it look like a 3rd world country
    Yeah and 99% of it doesn't. I guess you think poverty is something new in this country.
    99% of is doesn't??? every city have poverty but Minneapolis is a Somali ISIS breading ground...i used to live there and go back often to visit and i don't even recognize most of the city anymore.....anyway irrelevant to this thread i suppose

    It's not irrelevant. Hillary's America will be like this in every town.
    Fear of a Black Planet right here. I thought you gun owners weren't afraid of nuthin?
    Black planet? Uh no.

    I've never claimed to be unafraid. The prospect of a Clinton Presidency terrifies me. I don't want to see the USA go down the drain to pacify her globalist boss.
    How do you ever step outside of your bunker?
    Aren't you in Canada?
    oh, here we go with the "you aren't from here, you have no valid opinion" argument again. "america is an island, unless you support my position".
    Just wondering how you became so much of an expert on illegal immigration and the importation of thousands of "refugees" because your country manufactured another illegal war with a country that is sending these "refugees".

    How much of a burden is it to Canada? I mean, from your personal experience of course.

    Does Trudeau get his strings pulled by Soros and the Saudis as easily as Clinton does hers?
    I didn't become an expert. never claimed that. why is that retort used so often against the left? if you are disagreed with, somehow that person is claiming to be an expert. it's either we are idiots or we're experts with some of you.
    And if we disagree with your policies we are accused of being racist.

    wrong. I don't think everyone on the right is a racist. nor do I believe that all trump supporters are racist. I do, however, think someone is a racist based on their dialogue. yours today seems dangerously close to that classification. Which honestly comes as a surprise to me. I never pegged you as someone who was concerned for the "preservation of the white race" and the "influx of rapists from the south", to paraphrase some recent comments of yours.
    And yes that's paraphrasing.

    My statement was that the left wants to see the end of the white race.

    I stand by that. That is not racist, well not on my part anyway.

    I also said your desire for diversity will import a real rape culture, and judging by the events that took place in Germany and other parts of Europe it is a factually accurate statement.
    Are you concerned about cross breeding between whites and other colors? Is that what you mean by the end of the white race?
    I can't tell you why the left wants to end it, you'd have to ask a leftist.
    let's say they do (they don't). why does it matter to you?
    7% of the babies born here are born to illegal immigrants.

    It's a problem when they don't bring anything to the table.

    The USA is turning into a country of consumers, not producers. The gravy train will end at some point.

    That is my fear.
    No, your fear is elimination of the white race.
    I have ZERO problems telling you or anyone else how I feel. You don't speak for me.

    I see people fighting over a $30 electronic device made in China on black Friday.

    I can't imagine what people will do when they fight over a can of beans so they can feed their kids.

    This country is heading in a direction that will bring those things to reality. We don't produce, we subsidize nearly everything, we import just about everything, you disagree you get called a racist (who really cares anymore) or get locked up.

    It's unsustainable.

    That is my fear.
    The trade deficit this year to date is less than it was last year, so it seems like you're wrong again. Now you're just trying to shift away from what you said earlier. No one called you a racist for disagreeing. You were called a racist for saying racist things. It looks like you're just being guided by fear at this point. Try and relax some.
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    That is a sad assessment Gambs but I won't argue as it is your state and there is no doubt that you know it better then me. I guess my question is if your state in certain parts is as racist as you say then how did it go for Obama in both elections? Why is it trending towards Trump now? Has it become more racist in the last 8 years or is it simply that the African American vote is completely unethused by Clinton. The racism argument just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me considering it's previous voting record.

    Just from the info you guys have stated here, I would assume it's because Ohio was a lot more eager to be xenophobic against Muslims than they were to be racist against black people. Being scared about and angry at Muslims is one of Trump's major platforms, and a lot of Americans are eating it up for breakfast.
    Really?
    Yeah, why? You don't think that a lot of people have been lured in by Trump's very extreme views when it comes to Muslims? It's one of his main talking points.
    No. I don't think that explains it at all. I think that again is using the racism card to discount the real concerns of the working class voter that democrats no longer care to address.

    https://youtu.be/1_O_1bucvaw
    But how does the GOP convince the working class to vote for them? By suggesting that their lives are worse because of affirmative action (racism), immigrants that take their jobs (racism), taxes that are increasing (which they aren't for the middle class).
    Or things like NAFTA and TPP are outsourcing all of the manufacturing jobs.
    Now I'm really confused. Are the factories moving to Mexico? Or are the Mexicans coming here to steal our jobs?
    The jobs are outsourced and your shit party is subsidizing an invasion of third world countries.

    You get what you want, the end of the white race, endless dem votes, and your "diversity". You won't have to worry about rigging elections anymore.

    Unfortunately it also imports a real rape culture, unlike the imagined one in the states, a real war on women, and imports people that throw gays off of building roofs.

    Congrats!


    well that was the most depressing thing I'll read all day. it's so sad people actually think this is how the world is.
    You're in Minneapolis have you looked around the city???? Parts of it look like a 3rd world country
    Yeah and 99% of it doesn't. I guess you think poverty is something new in this country.
    99% of is doesn't??? every city have poverty but Minneapolis is a Somali ISIS breading ground...i used to live there and go back often to visit and i don't even recognize most of the city anymore.....anyway irrelevant to this thread i suppose

    It's not irrelevant. Hillary's America will be like this in every town.
    Fear of a Black Planet right here. I thought you gun owners weren't afraid of nuthin?
    Black planet? Uh no.

    I've never claimed to be unafraid. The prospect of a Clinton Presidency terrifies me. I don't want to see the USA go down the drain to pacify her globalist boss.
    How do you ever step outside of your bunker?
    Aren't you in Canada?
    oh, here we go with the "you aren't from here, you have no valid opinion" argument again. "america is an island, unless you support my position".
    Just wondering how you became so much of an expert on illegal immigration and the importation of thousands of "refugees" because your country manufactured another illegal war with a country that is sending these "refugees".

    How much of a burden is it to Canada? I mean, from your personal experience of course.

    Does Trudeau get his strings pulled by Soros and the Saudis as easily as Clinton does hers?
    I didn't become an expert. never claimed that. why is that retort used so often against the left? if you are disagreed with, somehow that person is claiming to be an expert. it's either we are idiots or we're experts with some of you.
    And if we disagree with your policies we are accused of being racist.

    wrong. I don't think everyone on the right is a racist. nor do I believe that all trump supporters are racist. I do, however, think someone is a racist based on their dialogue. yours today seems dangerously close to that classification. Which honestly comes as a surprise to me. I never pegged you as someone who was concerned for the "preservation of the white race" and the "influx of rapists from the south", to paraphrase some recent comments of yours.
    And yes that's paraphrasing.

    My statement was that the left wants to see the end of the white race.

    I stand by that. That is not racist, well not on my part anyway.

    I also said your desire for diversity will import a real rape culture, and judging by the events that took place in Germany and other parts of Europe it is a factually accurate statement.
    Are you concerned about cross breeding between whites and other colors? Is that what you mean by the end of the white race?
    I can't tell you why the left wants to end it, you'd have to ask a leftist.
    let's say they do (they don't). why does it matter to you?
    7% of the babies born here are born to illegal immigrants.

    It's a problem when they don't bring anything to the table.

    The USA is turning into a country of consumers, not producers. The gravy train will end at some point.

    That is my fear.
    No, your fear is elimination of the white race.
    I have ZERO problems telling you or anyone else how I feel. You don't speak for me.

    I see people fighting over a $30 electronic device made in China on black Friday.

    I can't imagine what people will do when they fight over a can of beans so they can feed their kids.

    This country is heading in a direction that will bring those things to reality. We don't produce, we subsidize nearly everything, we import just about everything, you disagree you get called a racist (who really cares anymore) or get locked up.

    It's unsustainable.

    That is my fear.
    The trade deficit this year to date is less than it was last year, so it seems like you're wrong again. Now you're just trying to shift away from what you said earlier. No one called you a racist for disagreeing. You were called a racist for saying racist things. It looks like you're just being guided by fear at this point. Try and relax some.
    I have to admit he kind of has a point....think about it what if this came to fruition and the whole system collapsed...i believe that we cannot sustain this debt and all the borrowing from China...what happens when they cut us off? Yeah it is fear and we shouldn't let it consume our lives but lets get real it is something that very well could happen
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
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    That is a sad assessment Gambs but I won't argue as it is your state and there is no doubt that you know it better then me. I guess my question is if your state in certain parts is as racist as you say then how did it go for Obama in both elections? Why is it trending towards Trump now? Has it become more racist in the last 8 years or is it simply that the African American vote is completely unethused by Clinton. The racism argument just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me considering it's previous voting record.

    Just from the info you guys have stated here, I would assume it's because Ohio was a lot more eager to be xenophobic against Muslims than they were to be racist against black people. Being scared about and angry at Muslims is one of Trump's major platforms, and a lot of Americans are eating it up for breakfast.
    Really?
    Yeah, why? You don't think that a lot of people have been lured in by Trump's very extreme views when it comes to Muslims? It's one of his main talking points.
    No. I don't think that explains it at all. I think that again is using the racism card to discount the real concerns of the working class voter that democrats no longer care to address.

    https://youtu.be/1_O_1bucvaw
    But how does the GOP convince the working class to vote for them? By suggesting that their lives are worse because of affirmative action (racism), immigrants that take their jobs (racism), taxes that are increasing (which they aren't for the middle class).
    Or things like NAFTA and TPP are outsourcing all of the manufacturing jobs.
    Now I'm really confused. Are the factories moving to Mexico? Or are the Mexicans coming here to steal our jobs?
    The jobs are outsourced and your shit party is subsidizing an invasion of third world countries.

    You get what you want, the end of the white race, endless dem votes, and your "diversity". You won't have to worry about rigging elections anymore.

    Unfortunately it also imports a real rape culture, unlike the imagined one in the states, a real war on women, and imports people that throw gays off of building roofs.

    Congrats!


    well that was the most depressing thing I'll read all day. it's so sad people actually think this is how the world is.
    You're in Minneapolis have you looked around the city???? Parts of it look like a 3rd world country
    Yeah and 99% of it doesn't. I guess you think poverty is something new in this country.
    99% of is doesn't??? every city have poverty but Minneapolis is a Somali ISIS breading ground...i used to live there and go back often to visit and i don't even recognize most of the city anymore.....anyway irrelevant to this thread i suppose

    It's not irrelevant. Hillary's America will be like this in every town.
    Fear of a Black Planet right here. I thought you gun owners weren't afraid of nuthin?
    Black planet? Uh no.

    I've never claimed to be unafraid. The prospect of a Clinton Presidency terrifies me. I don't want to see the USA go down the drain to pacify her globalist boss.
    How do you ever step outside of your bunker?
    Aren't you in Canada?
    oh, here we go with the "you aren't from here, you have no valid opinion" argument again. "america is an island, unless you support my position".
    Just wondering how you became so much of an expert on illegal immigration and the importation of thousands of "refugees" because your country manufactured another illegal war with a country that is sending these "refugees".

    How much of a burden is it to Canada? I mean, from your personal experience of course.

    Does Trudeau get his strings pulled by Soros and the Saudis as easily as Clinton does hers?
    I didn't become an expert. never claimed that. why is that retort used so often against the left? if you are disagreed with, somehow that person is claiming to be an expert. it's either we are idiots or we're experts with some of you.
    And if we disagree with your policies we are accused of being racist.

    wrong. I don't think everyone on the right is a racist. nor do I believe that all trump supporters are racist. I do, however, think someone is a racist based on their dialogue. yours today seems dangerously close to that classification. Which honestly comes as a surprise to me. I never pegged you as someone who was concerned for the "preservation of the white race" and the "influx of rapists from the south", to paraphrase some recent comments of yours.
    And yes that's paraphrasing.

    My statement was that the left wants to see the end of the white race.

    I stand by that. That is not racist, well not on my part anyway.

    I also said your desire for diversity will import a real rape culture, and judging by the events that took place in Germany and other parts of Europe it is a factually accurate statement.
    Are you concerned about cross breeding between whites and other colors? Is that what you mean by the end of the white race?
    I can't tell you why the left wants to end it, you'd have to ask a leftist.
    let's say they do (they don't). why does it matter to you?
    7% of the babies born here are born to illegal immigrants.

    It's a problem when they don't bring anything to the table.

    The USA is turning into a country of consumers, not producers. The gravy train will end at some point.

    That is my fear.
    anchor babies?
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    carry on not addressing the recent wikis and her unquenchable thirst for the dolla dolla bill y'all.

    I am confused. I thought most Americans are really gung-ho about making money.
    that's what funny about this. nothing is addressed about Trump's legal avoidance of taxes and bankruptcy claims which left thousands of workers and vendors without payment, but aw, "Hillary likes to make money making speeches! for shame!". And all this "queen" talk leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth. You never heard anyone talk about a male POTUS or candidate as "king". what's with the queen bullshit? I'm guessing it's a dig at her supporters that the perception is they are grovelling idiots who will bow down to her and believe everything she says. which is rubbish. almost all of them have already plainly stated that they'd only prefer her over Trump, because that's the choice they were given. no other reason.
    PRIVATE CITIZEN. duhhhhh

    So Bill Clinton was expected to do what after leaving the White House? Never work again?
    So you think that people who work for government have no right to secondary incomes?
    jesus, no kidding. what a stupid argument.
    Having his Secretary of State wife line up cash donors from Russian oligarchs to Moroccan Kings for PAY FOR PLAY services is wholey kosher. lmao

    of course it's not. but.....Trump.
    Why? Because he's said bad things?
    no, because of what he has said he WILL do if he wins. it will be an unmitigated disaster.
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    unsung said:

    rssesq said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    rssesq said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    rssesq said:

    carry on not addressing the recent wikis and her unquenchable thirst for the dolla dolla bill y'all.

    I am confused. I thought most Americans are really gung-ho about making money.
    that's what funny about this. nothing is addressed about Trump's legal avoidance of taxes and bankruptcy claims which left thousands of workers and vendors without payment, but aw, "Hillary likes to make money making speeches! for shame!". And all this "queen" talk leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth. You never heard anyone talk about a male POTUS or candidate as "king". what's with the queen bullshit? I'm guessing it's a dig at her supporters that the perception is they are grovelling idiots who will bow down to her and believe everything she says. which is rubbish. almost all of them have already plainly stated that they'd only prefer her over Trump, because that's the choice they were given. no other reason.
    PRIVATE CITIZEN. duhhhhh

    So Bill Clinton was expected to do what after leaving the White House? Never work again?
    So you think that people who work for government have no right to secondary incomes?
    jesus, no kidding. what a stupid argument.
    Having his Secretary of State wife line up cash donors from Russian oligarchs to Moroccan Kings for PAY FOR PLAY services is wholey kosher. lmao

    of course it's not. but.....Trump.
    Why? Because he's said bad things?
    no, because of what he has said he WILL do if he wins. it will be an unmitigated disaster.
    So you don't think Congress will stifle him?
  • Guess we'll have to do something about those Japanese then?

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikepatton/2014/10/28/who-owns-the-most-u-s-debt/#4e1a865c1907

    Given the state of the global markets, the U.S. is still considered to be the best house in a bad neighborhood. Even though more than one third of the debt is owned by foreign nations, as long as there are no safer places to invest, money will find its way here. Therefore, global turmoil would be in the best interest of the federal government. Anything which raises fear will bring money to the Treasury and allay the need for higher taxes. However, one day this unsustainable path we’re on will reach its day of reckoning. However, that’s probably not any time soon.

    The only thing we have to sell is fear and there is a whole lot of buying going on.
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  • rssesqrssesq Posts: 3,299
    BS44325 said:

    Free said:

    rssesq said:
    Follow the $$$$!
    The corruption by the Clintons is undeniable now. I accept Trump is an asshole and yet still think he's a better choice by my own stupid calculus. I wish the Clinton supporters would at least say "I know Hillary and Bill are corrupt as fuck but I'm still with her". Can't we all just be honest at this point? Even is she wins don't you want her held to a better standard?
    Not a one will answer this. They wanna talk about how any criticism of the current system is "racist". Find new material. This is straight outta the Abe Foxman playbook.

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,939
    edited October 2016
    I have always accepted that 90% of politicians are corrupt. To me that's just a given, so feel no compulsion to keep pointing it out every day of my life. It would be like spending my time declaring that the sky is blue and shit stinks. Corruption is now systemically built into politics. It's what keeps good people from entering politics in the first place, and what attracts all these jerks to it. And what turns good people to the dark side (almost all do IMO). Yes, that's the status quo. Yes, I want it to change. But it's not going to any time soon, and hating the Clintons or harping on about how they conduct politics (legally) isn't going to change it either. Nothing will. Nothing short of a total collapse of the government, that is.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • PJ_Soul said:

    I have always accepted that 90% of politicians are corrupt.

    Is Hillary in that 90%?
  • rssesq said:

    BS44325 said:

    Free said:

    rssesq said:
    Follow the $$$$!
    The corruption by the Clintons is undeniable now. I accept Trump is an asshole and yet still think he's a better choice by my own stupid calculus. I wish the Clinton supporters would at least say "I know Hillary and Bill are corrupt as fuck but I'm still with her". Can't we all just be honest at this point? Even is she wins don't you want her held to a better standard?
    Not a one will answer this. They wanna talk about how any criticism of the current system is "racist". Find new material. This is straight outta the Abe Foxman playbook.
    It truly is astounding. As long as you stay positive and don't say anything negative about her you will be just fine. Or they come back with facts the whole world knows anyway.
    They half say Hillary is corrupt but will not come out and say it.
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    unsung said:

    rssesq said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    rssesq said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    rssesq said:

    carry on not addressing the recent wikis and her unquenchable thirst for the dolla dolla bill y'all.

    I am confused. I thought most Americans are really gung-ho about making money.
    that's what funny about this. nothing is addressed about Trump's legal avoidance of taxes and bankruptcy claims which left thousands of workers and vendors without payment, but aw, "Hillary likes to make money making speeches! for shame!". And all this "queen" talk leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth. You never heard anyone talk about a male POTUS or candidate as "king". what's with the queen bullshit? I'm guessing it's a dig at her supporters that the perception is they are grovelling idiots who will bow down to her and believe everything she says. which is rubbish. almost all of them have already plainly stated that they'd only prefer her over Trump, because that's the choice they were given. no other reason.
    PRIVATE CITIZEN. duhhhhh

    So Bill Clinton was expected to do what after leaving the White House? Never work again?
    So you think that people who work for government have no right to secondary incomes?
    jesus, no kidding. what a stupid argument.
    Having his Secretary of State wife line up cash donors from Russian oligarchs to Moroccan Kings for PAY FOR PLAY services is wholey kosher. lmao

    of course it's not. but.....Trump.
    Why? Because he's said bad things?
    no, because of what he has said he WILL do if he wins. it will be an unmitigated disaster.
    Not to mention how he committed fraud through his own charitable foundation, doesn't pay employees, and swindles old ladies via a fake university.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    PJ_Soul said:

    I have always accepted that 90% of politicians are corrupt. To me that's just a given, so feel no compulsion to keep pointing it out every day of my life. It would be like spending my time declaring that the sky is blue and shit stinks. Corruption is a now systemically built into politics. It's what keeps good people from entering politics in the first place, and what attracts all these jerks to it. Yes, that's the status quo. Yes, I want it to change. But it's not going to any time soon, and hating the Clintons or harping on about how they conduct politics (legally) isn't going to change it either. Nothing will. Nothing short of a total collapse of the government, that is.

    Knowing that...

    But are you still voting?
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,939
    edited October 2016

    PJ_Soul said:

    I have always accepted that 90% of politicians are corrupt.

    Is Hillary in that 90%?
    Duh, obviously. I'm thinking 90% is actually a conservative estimate. I was making room for the Elizabeth Warrens and Jack Leytons of the world as well as some naive, well-meaning local politicians ... I'm thinking it's probably more like 98% once you get out of local politics. At best.
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  • PJ_Soul said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    I have always accepted that 90% of politicians are corrupt.

    Is Hillary in that 90%?
    Duh, obviously. I'm thinking 90% is actually a conservative estimate. I was making room for the Elizabeth Warrens and Jack Leytons of the world as well as some naive, well-meaning local politicians ... I'm thinking it's probably more like 98% once you get out of local politics. At best.
    So is Hillary in your 2% then?
    Duh?
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,939

    PJ_Soul said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    I have always accepted that 90% of politicians are corrupt.

    Is Hillary in that 90%?
    Duh, obviously. I'm thinking 90% is actually a conservative estimate. I was making room for the Elizabeth Warrens and Jack Leytons of the world as well as some naive, well-meaning local politicians ... I'm thinking it's probably more like 98% once you get out of local politics. At best.
    So is Hillary in your 2% then?
    Duh?
    Pardon? I just told you that she is in the 90 (or 98)%. Obviously. Duh.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,939
    edited October 2016
    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    I have always accepted that 90% of politicians are corrupt. To me that's just a given, so feel no compulsion to keep pointing it out every day of my life. It would be like spending my time declaring that the sky is blue and shit stinks. Corruption is a now systemically built into politics. It's what keeps good people from entering politics in the first place, and what attracts all these jerks to it. Yes, that's the status quo. Yes, I want it to change. But it's not going to any time soon, and hating the Clintons or harping on about how they conduct politics (legally) isn't going to change it either. Nothing will. Nothing short of a total collapse of the government, that is.

    Knowing that...

    But are you still voting?
    Of course (In Canada). Some corrupt politicians are better than other corrupt politicians. If that 2% happens to be running and hold many of the same views as me that I think are important, I'll vote for them. I've only had that opportunity once in my life.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited October 2016
    PJ_Soul said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    I have always accepted that 90% of politicians are corrupt.

    Is Hillary in that 90%?
    Duh, obviously. I'm thinking 90% is actually a conservative estimate. I was making room for the Elizabeth Warrens and Jack Leytons of the world as well as some naive, well-meaning local politicians ... I'm thinking it's probably more like 98% once you get out of local politics. At best.
    So is Hillary in your 2% then?
    Duh?
    Pardon? I just told you that she is in the 90 (or 98)%. Obviously. Duh.
    So you are saying without a doubt Hillary is corrupt?
    edit - I ask because you say legally.....
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    edited October 2016
    rssesq said:

    BS44325 said:

    Free said:

    rssesq said:
    Follow the $$$$!
    The corruption by the Clintons is undeniable now. I accept Trump is an asshole and yet still think he's a better choice by my own stupid calculus. I wish the Clinton supporters would at least say "I know Hillary and Bill are corrupt as fuck but I'm still with her". Can't we all just be honest at this point? Even is she wins don't you want her held to a better standard?
    Not a one will answer this. They wanna talk about how any criticism of the current system is "racist". Find new material. This is straight outta the Abe Foxman playbook.

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    And you won't answer to your anti-semitism. We all have our hang ups I guess.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,939
    edited October 2016

    PJ_Soul said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    I have always accepted that 90% of politicians are corrupt.

    Is Hillary in that 90%?
    Duh, obviously. I'm thinking 90% is actually a conservative estimate. I was making room for the Elizabeth Warrens and Jack Leytons of the world as well as some naive, well-meaning local politicians ... I'm thinking it's probably more like 98% once you get out of local politics. At best.
    So is Hillary in your 2% then?
    Duh?
    Pardon? I just told you that she is in the 90 (or 98)%. Obviously. Duh.
    So you are saying without a doubt Hillary is corrupt?
    edit - I ask because you say legally.....
    Of course, she is about as corrupt as any other sane person who has run for president in recent history. I think she is about average on the corrupt politician scale. So a normal politician. That's how I view her.
    I don't think she's done anything illegal. She has not been charged with any crime.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    I have always accepted that 90% of politicians are corrupt. To me that's just a given, so feel no compulsion to keep pointing it out every day of my life. It would be like spending my time declaring that the sky is blue and shit stinks. Corruption is a now systemically built into politics. It's what keeps good people from entering politics in the first place, and what attracts all these jerks to it. Yes, that's the status quo. Yes, I want it to change. But it's not going to any time soon, and hating the Clintons or harping on about how they conduct politics (legally) isn't going to change it either. Nothing will. Nothing short of a total collapse of the government, that is.

    Knowing that...

    But are you still voting?
    Of course (In Canada). Some corrupt politicians are better than other corrupt politicians. If that 2% happens to be running and hold many of the same views as me that I think are important, I'll vote for them. I've only had that opportunity once in my life.
    But you acknowledge that the system is corrupt. So why continue to participate in it? I'm not saying this to be rude, I'm saying it because voting can't fix it. Corruption at any level should be grounds for physically removing these crooks by any and all means necessary.
  • PJ_Soul said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    I have always accepted that 90% of politicians are corrupt.

    Is Hillary in that 90%?
    Duh, obviously. I'm thinking 90% is actually a conservative estimate. I was making room for the Elizabeth Warrens and Jack Leytons of the world as well as some naive, well-meaning local politicians ... I'm thinking it's probably more like 98% once you get out of local politics. At best.
    So is Hillary in your 2% then?
    Duh?
    Pardon? I just told you that she is in the 90 (or 98)%. Obviously. Duh.
    So you are saying without a doubt Hillary is corrupt?
    edit - I ask because you say legally.....
    Of course, she is about as corrupt as any other sane person who has run for president in recent history. I think she is about average on the corrupt politician scale. So a normal politician. That's how I view her.
    I don't think she's done anything illegal. She has not been charged with any crime.
    Ok.
    So is Hillary corrupt?
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    I believe that issue is agreed upon by most people.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,065
    PJ_Soul said:

    I have always accepted that 90% of politicians are corrupt. To me that's just a given, so feel no compulsion to keep pointing it out every day of my life. It would be like spending my time declaring that the sky is blue and shit stinks. Corruption is now systemically built into politics. It's what keeps good people from entering politics in the first place, and what attracts all these jerks to it. And what turns good people to the dark side (almost all do IMO). Yes, that's the status quo. Yes, I want it to change. But it's not going to any time soon, and hating the Clintons or harping on about how they conduct politics (legally) isn't going to change it either. Nothing will. Nothing short of a total collapse of the government, that is.

    I don't see the non-corrupt politicians getting very far- meaning voters choose the candidate that has qualities they end up resenting. Voters are manipulated by the money in politics and they want the ego driven person. A person running a campaign and platform of high ethical standards and compromise is going to come across as less appealing. People want to see an individual encapsulate things beyond the reality of the position and what they can do.
  • PJ_Soul said:

    I have always accepted that 90% of politicians are corrupt. To me that's just a given, so feel no compulsion to keep pointing it out every day of my life. It would be like spending my time declaring that the sky is blue and shit stinks. Corruption is now systemically built into politics. It's what keeps good people from entering politics in the first place, and what attracts all these jerks to it. And what turns good people to the dark side (almost all do IMO). Yes, that's the status quo. Yes, I want it to change. But it's not going to any time soon, and hating the Clintons or harping on about how they conduct politics (legally) isn't going to change it either. Nothing will. Nothing short of a total collapse of the government, that is.

    I don't see the non-corrupt politicians getting very far- meaning voters choose the candidate that has qualities they end up resenting. Voters are manipulated by the money in politics and they want the ego driven person. A person running a campaign and platform of high ethical standards and compromise is going to come across as less appealing. People want to see an individual encapsulate things beyond the reality of the position and what they can do.
    Ok.
    Same question to you GoBeavers.
    Is Hillary corrupt?
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    PJ_Soul said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    I have always accepted that 90% of politicians are corrupt.

    Is Hillary in that 90%?
    Duh, obviously. I'm thinking 90% is actually a conservative estimate. I was making room for the Elizabeth Warrens and Jack Leytons of the world as well as some naive, well-meaning local politicians ... I'm thinking it's probably more like 98% once you get out of local politics. At best.
    So is Hillary in your 2% then?
    Duh?
    Pardon? I just told you that she is in the 90 (or 98)%. Obviously. Duh.
    According to the Corruption Perceptions Index, we're only 24% corrupt. Seems we should look to the Northern Europeans for advice.
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