Hillary won more votes for President

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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487

    I don't see the non-corrupt politicians getting very far- meaning voters choose the candidate that has qualities they end up resenting. Voters are manipulated by the money in politics and they want the ego driven person. A person running a campaign and platform of high ethical standards and compromise is going to come across as less appealing. People want to see an individual encapsulate things beyond the reality of the position and what they can do.
    I used to think this was why Rand didn't get traction.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,215
    unsung said:

    But you acknowledge that the system is corrupt. So why continue to participate in it? I'm not saying this to be rude, I'm saying it because voting can't fix it. Corruption at any level should be grounds for physically removing these crooks by any and all means necessary.
    Because someone's going to win whether I vote or not. Because no one is going to remove these people. Because I'm not up for starting a revolution that tears down the government (and neither are you). Because I know that this kind of change is a slow evolutionary process (or a quick complete and deadly disaster). So I think the only logical thing to do is choose the best candidate and vote for them. Because the best of a bad lot is still better than the rest. I am not delusional about the power of my actions, so understand that not voting for anyone in protest is completely pointless, and can actually contribute to putting the worse of the candidates in office, which only makes the problems worse instead of better.
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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    edited October 2016
    But you say that only the demise of the system will bring about change, so then the worst candidate should hasten it.

    In turn begin anew.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,215
    edited October 2016
    unsung said:

    But you say that only the demise of the system will bring about change, so then the worst candidate should hasten it.

    In turn begin anew.

    Maybe in a couple of hundred years it could evolve in a positive direction. Not in our lifetime. But I don't consider the collapse of the government (likely to be replaced by something even worse) to be the best option. Not at all. I don't know why you would assume that such a thing would result in any kind of improvement. Seems crazy. Also, why would the worst candidate hasten such a thing??? I don't think that's true at all. Usually, the worst candidate just gets politicians further entrenched in corruption.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • PJ_Soul said:

    Maybe in a couple of hundred years it could evolve in a positive direction. Not in our lifetime. But I don't consider the collapse of the government (likely to be replaced by something even worse) is the best option. Not at all. I don't know why you would assume that such a thing would result in any kind of improvement. Seems crazy.
    No one is assuming anything.
    Just responding to your thoughts.
    Don't know why you would think that.
    lol
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,215

    No one is assuming anything.
    Just responding to your thoughts.
    Don't know why you would think that.
    lol
    How do you know what unsung is or isn't assuming any better than me then?
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  • PJ_Soul said:

    How do you know what unsung is or isn't assuming any better than me then?
    I can assume the unsung will call Hillary corrupt openly.
    I can't assume you will.
    Will you?
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    PJ_Soul said:

    How do you know what unsung is or isn't assuming any better than me then?
    I was just trying to have a conversation.


    It seems these forums demand the use of disclaimers anymore. ***non-hostile intent***
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,215
    unsung said:

    I was just trying to have a conversation.


    It seems these forums demand the use of disclaimers anymore. ***non-hostile intent***
    Lol. I thought you and I were having a pleasant conversation. PJfan doesn't seem to like those though. ;)
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,215

    I can assume the unsung will call Hillary corrupt openly.
    I can't assume you will.
    Will you?
    I'm not fucking playing this game with you. Stop asking me a question I already answered the first time.
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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487

    I can assume the unsung will call Hillary corrupt openly.
    I can't assume you will.
    Will you?
    Hillary Clinton is the most corrupt individual to ever secure a major party nomination for President in my lifetime.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,405
    unsung said:

    Hillary Clinton is the most corrupt individual to ever secure a major party nomination for President in my lifetime.
    Yet she committed no crimes. Amazing statement.
  • PJ_Soul said:

    I'm not fucking playing this game with you. Stop asking me a question I already answered the first time.
    I'll take that as a no.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,215
    unsung said:

    Hillary Clinton is the most corrupt individual to ever secure a major party nomination for President in my lifetime.
    So you're how old? 15 or so?
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Hillary Wants To Make It Official With ISIS

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoY16tJvhQo

    lol
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,502
    unsung said:

    Hillary Clinton is the most corrupt individual to ever secure a major party nomination for President in my lifetime.
    Do you get satellite TV in your bubble?
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  • Do you get satellite TV in your bubble?
    Et tu, Brute

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,645
    rssesq said:

    Not a one will answer this. They wanna talk about how any criticism of the current system is "racist". Find new material. This is straight outta the Abe Foxman playbook.

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,645
    unsung said:

    So you don't think Congress will stifle him?
    Of course they will. So he will get nothing done at the same time as ruining global relations because of what he tries to get done. He will do immeasurable damage on the diplomatic stage. And thats saying something given americas track record in that area.

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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited October 2016

    Of course they will. So he will get nothing done at the same time as ruining global relations because of what he tries to get done. He will do immeasurable damage on the diplomatic stage. And thats saying something given americas track record in that area.

    Ok.
    Without wanting a response of "As a Trump supporter or a (rightist)" what is this immeasurable damage he will do?
    Please don't respond with he build a wall.
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087

    Of course they will. So he will get nothing done at the same time as ruining global relations because of what he tries to get done. He will do immeasurable damage on the diplomatic stage. And thats saying something given americas track record in that area.

    Oh definitely, the US would not want their reputation damaged by a loudmouth, its much more effective damaging your reputation through war, bullying and meddling...
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,645
    I don't know how many times this has to be stated: it is a fact, in my opinion, that you simply cannot get to the highest office in the land without backroom bullshit. I am shocked that nothing about Obama has come to light. Maybe he's the exception, maybe he's just that damn good. Either way both hillary and donald are not immune. If you think he is anti establishment, you are a fool. If you think he gives a shit about you, you are a fool. If you think he wont use the presidency as a springboard to make millions afterwards, you are a fool.

    Either participate in the system or dont. But dont even try to put one candidate on a an anti corruption pedestal over the other. If you do, you are a fool.

    It comes down, unfortunately, in this particular election, of who you think wont put the country into the ground financially, socially, progressively, and diplomatically.

    To me, without question, that person is hillary. Trump has the bigger potential to be a trainwreck. He is a massive risk that i cant believe so many are comfortable taking. With hillary, you get more of the same. With trump, you dont have a sweet clue what you are getting.
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  • I don't know how many times this has to be stated: it is a fact, in my opinion, that you simply cannot get to the highest office in the land without backroom bullshit. I am shocked that nothing about Obama has come to light. Maybe he's the exception, maybe he's just that damn good. Either way both hillary and donald are not immune. If you think he is anti establishment, you are a fool. If you think he gives a shit about you, you are a fool. If you think he wont use the presidency as a springboard to make millions afterwards, you are a fool.

    Either participate in the system or dont. But dont even try to put one candidate on a an anti corruption pedestal over the other. If you do, you are a fool.

    It comes down, unfortunately, in this particular election, of who you think wont put the country into the ground financially, socially, progressively, and diplomatically.

    To me, without question, that person is hillary. Trump has the bigger potential to be a trainwreck. He is a massive risk that i cant believe so many are comfortable taking. With hillary, you get more of the same. With trump, you dont have a sweet clue what you are getting.

    That is a nice response.
    Perhaps the ever so slight majority is tired of the same.
    And what is sweet is that they kind of like what they may get.
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    mrussel1 said:

    Yet she committed no crimes. Amazing statement.
    Of course not, that would mean the lawmakers would have to reign themselves in.

    Its the elite vs the non-elite.
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487

    Of course they will. So he will get nothing done at the same time as ruining global relations because of what he tries to get done. He will do immeasurable damage on the diplomatic stage. And thats saying something given americas track record in that area.

    I see similar results for clinton. She'd just destroy us domestically as well.
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    lukin2006 said:

    Oh definitely, the US would not want their reputation damaged by a loudmouth, its much more effective damaging your reputation through war, bullying and meddling...
    LOL, think the last 16 have been bad, well the world hasn't seen anything yet.
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    unsung said:

    LOL, think the last 16 have been bad, well the world hasn't seen anything yet.
    Agree...
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087

    I don't know how many times this has to be stated: it is a fact, in my opinion, that you simply cannot get to the highest office in the land without backroom bullshit. I am shocked that nothing about Obama has come to light. Maybe he's the exception, maybe he's just that damn good. Either way both hillary and donald are not immune. If you think he is anti establishment, you are a fool. If you think he gives a shit about you, you are a fool. If you think he wont use the presidency as a springboard to make millions afterwards, you are a fool.

    Either participate in the system or dont. But dont even try to put one candidate on a an anti corruption pedestal over the other. If you do, you are a fool.

    It comes down, unfortunately, in this particular election, of who you think wont put the country into the ground financially, socially, progressively, and diplomatically.

    To me, without question, that person is hillary. Trump has the bigger potential to be a trainwreck. He is a massive risk that i cant believe so many are comfortable taking. With hillary, you get more of the same. With trump, you dont have a sweet clue what you are getting.

    You really think POTUS is the highest office in the land? Is that why out of a country of 300 + million these are the best the US can do, no way sir, I seriously doubt the best and brightest enter politics...more like leeches who suck off the productivity of others.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • lukin2006 said:

    You really think POTUS is the highest office in the land? Is that why out of a country of 300 + million these are the best the US can do, no way sir, I seriously doubt the best and brightest enter politics...more like leeches who suck off the productivity of others.
    It is very strange that a Canadian regard POTUS the highest office of the land from Canada.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,645
    lukin2006 said:

    You really think POTUS is the highest office in the land? Is that why out of a country of 300 + million these are the best the US can do, no way sir, I seriously doubt the best and brightest enter politics...more like leeches who suck off the productivity of others.
    it is the highest office. i didn't say it was occupied by the highest. an eagle's nest full of rats.
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