Refugee crisis
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how would it be if all shared the same idea or opinion ?.....no fun at all. LOL !badbrains said:
Thank you for this. Nice to see that in some places in the world, people actually CARE. I seriously can't believe some of the shit I'm reading on the thread about the refugees. How some people sleep at night is baffling to me. But I guess when you have NO HEART, sleep comes easy.jnimhaoileoin said:
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Yeah, because the refugee crisis is SO fun, right?Godfather. said:
how would it be if all shared the same idea or opinion ?.....no fun at all. LOL !badbrains said:
Thank you for this. Nice to see that in some places in the world, people actually CARE. I seriously can't believe some of the shit I'm reading on the thread about the refugees. How some people sleep at night is baffling to me. But I guess when you have NO HEART, sleep comes easy.jnimhaoileoin said:
Godfather.
I don't think you're going to have any luck convincing people that supporting not helping people in desperate need and instead criticizing and being paranoid/suspicious about those in need is a valuable contribution to interesting diversity.With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
what have you done to help these people ? money, timePJ_Soul said:
Yeah, because the refugee crisis is SO fun, right?Godfather. said:
how would it be if all shared the same idea or opinion ?.....no fun at all. LOL !badbrains said:
Thank you for this. Nice to see that in some places in the world, people actually CARE. I seriously can't believe some of the shit I'm reading on the thread about the refugees. How some people sleep at night is baffling to me. But I guess when you have NO HEART, sleep comes easy.jnimhaoileoin said:
Godfather.
I don't think you're going to have any luck convincing people that supporting not helping people in desperate need and instead criticizing and being paranoid/suspicious about those in need is a valuable contribution to interesting diversity.
what have you done help these people ? money , time ? or does it make you feel better to say you support them and their struggle, lighten up Francis.PJ_Soul said:
Yeah, because the refugee crisis is SO fun, right?Godfather. said:
how would it be if all shared the same idea or opinion ?.....no fun at all. LOL !badbrains said:
Thank you for this. Nice to see that in some places in the world, people actually CARE. I seriously can't believe some of the shit I'm reading on the thread about the refugees. How some people sleep at night is baffling to me. But I guess when you have NO HEART, sleep comes easy.jnimhaoileoin said:
Godfather.
I don't think you're going to have any luck convincing people that supporting not helping people in desperate need and instead criticizing and being paranoid/suspicious about those in need is a valuable contribution to interesting diversity.
Godfather.
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The madness goes on, as Russia starts bombing a country already devastated , here in the UK most people are conditioned and programmed by right wing media( daily mail/sun) and even some of my friends say things that leave me stunned. If you dig deep you can find the real reason, why now? When people saw that dead Syrian child understandingly they were disgusted but since the 'illegal' bombing of Iraq in 2003 dead children have been heart achingly common place, it's a crime. Order out of chaos, problem , reaction, solution(Hegelian dialectic) , conspiracies aside there is an agenda behind what we see and now with the destabilising of the Middle East , the shadows can build a world which they say is free, Afghanistan , the golden triangle (control of opium distribution) Iraq (oil)...and now why suprised that ordinary people want to flee, we all have a responsibility, imagine seeing your family die and children frightened in shock because of terrorists and western bombing, a solution is hard to see, but if I was there I would leave and walk that long road, where no one cares and everyone's opinions are created by a 'controlled media' . Empathy people.0
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First of all, not specifically helping them isn't the same as specifically thinking they should not be helped at all. In fact, one has nothing to do with that other.Godfather. said:
what have you done help these people ? money , time ? or does it make you feel better to say you support them and their struggle, lighten up Francis.PJ_Soul said:
Yeah, because the refugee crisis is SO fun, right?Godfather. said:
how would it be if all shared the same idea or opinion ?.....no fun at all. LOL !badbrains said:
Thank you for this. Nice to see that in some places in the world, people actually CARE. I seriously can't believe some of the shit I'm reading on the thread about the refugees. How some people sleep at night is baffling to me. But I guess when you have NO HEART, sleep comes easy.jnimhaoileoin said:
Godfather.
I don't think you're going to have any luck convincing people that supporting not helping people in desperate need and instead criticizing and being paranoid/suspicious about those in need is a valuable contribution to interesting diversity.
Godfather.
Second, I have absolutely no resources to offer them, I'm sorry to say. But in any case, I wasn't talking about you sending aid (and in general, I am talking about government helping them, not individuals). I was talking about you actually feeling that the refugees don't need help, and shouldn't be helped, for various reasons.
I must say that I am a bit sick to see those who are "against" the refugees defend their view by trying to accuse those who feel for them of not giving money and time. It is an idiotic attempt to defend an indefensible attitude towards them.Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Amencydonia said:The madness goes on, as Russia starts bombing a country already devastated , here in the UK most people are conditioned and programmed by right wing media( daily mail/sun) and even some of my friends say things that leave me stunned. If you dig deep you can find the real reason, why now? When people saw that dead Syrian child understandingly they were disgusted but since the 'illegal' bombing of Iraq in 2003 dead children have been heart achingly common place, it's a crime. Order out of chaos, problem , reaction, solution(Hegelian dialectic) , conspiracies aside there is an agenda behind what we see and now with the destabilising of the Middle East , the shadows can build a world which they say is free, Afghanistan , the golden triangle (control of opium distribution) Iraq (oil)...and now why suprised that ordinary people want to flee, we all have a responsibility, imagine seeing your family die and children frightened in shock because of terrorists and western bombing, a solution is hard to see, but if I was there I would leave and walk that long road, where no one cares and everyone's opinions are created by a 'controlled media' . Empathy people.
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You call me Francis... I'll kill 'ya.Godfather. said:
what have you done to help these people ? money, timePJ_Soul said:
Yeah, because the refugee crisis is SO fun, right?Godfather. said:
how would it be if all shared the same idea or opinion ?.....no fun at all. LOL !badbrains said:
Thank you for this. Nice to see that in some places in the world, people actually CARE. I seriously can't believe some of the shit I'm reading on the thread about the refugees. How some people sleep at night is baffling to me. But I guess when you have NO HEART, sleep comes easy.jnimhaoileoin said:
Godfather.
I don't think you're going to have any luck convincing people that supporting not helping people in desperate need and instead criticizing and being paranoid/suspicious about those in need is a valuable contribution to interesting diversity.
what have you done help these people ? money , time ? or does it make you feel better to say you support them and their struggle, lighten up Francis.PJ_Soul said:
Yeah, because the refugee crisis is SO fun, right?Godfather. said:
how would it be if all shared the same idea or opinion ?.....no fun at all. LOL !badbrains said:
Thank you for this. Nice to see that in some places in the world, people actually CARE. I seriously can't believe some of the shit I'm reading on the thread about the refugees. How some people sleep at night is baffling to me. But I guess when you have NO HEART, sleep comes easy.jnimhaoileoin said:
Godfather.
I don't think you're going to have any luck convincing people that supporting not helping people in desperate need and instead criticizing and being paranoid/suspicious about those in need is a valuable contribution to interesting diversity.
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if we had ever met you would understand that how I feel in my heart for people that need help is much different than the reality of what I am able to do and what history time and time again shows us.PJ_Soul said:
First of all, not specifically helping them isn't the same as specifically thinking they should not be helped at all. In fact, one has nothing to do with that other.Godfather. said:
what have you done help these people ? money , time ? or does it make you feel better to say you support them and their struggle, lighten up Francis.PJ_Soul said:
Yeah, because the refugee crisis is SO fun, right?Godfather. said:
how would it be if all shared the same idea or opinion ?.....no fun at all. LOL !badbrains said:
Thank you for this. Nice to see that in some places in the world, people actually CARE. I seriously can't believe some of the shit I'm reading on the thread about the refugees. How some people sleep at night is baffling to me. But I guess when you have NO HEART, sleep comes easy.jnimhaoileoin said:
Godfather.
I don't think you're going to have any luck convincing people that supporting not helping people in desperate need and instead criticizing and being paranoid/suspicious about those in need is a valuable contribution to interesting diversity.
Godfather.
Second, I have absolutely no resources to offer them, I'm sorry to say. But in any case, I wasn't talking about you sending aid (and in general, I am talking about government helping them, not individuals). I was talking about you actually feeling that the refugees don't need help, and shouldn't be helped, for various reasons.
I must say that I am a bit sick to see those who are "against" the refugees defend their view by trying to accuse those who feel for them of not giving money and time. It is an idiotic attempt to defend an indefensible attitude towards them.
people have a habit of biting the hand that feeds them and sometimes one would have to think that they are about to be bit again.
Godfather.
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HAHHAHAHAHAHHA YEAHHHHH I'm glad someone picked that up ! you rock Thirty !Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
You call me Francis... I'll kill 'ya.Godfather. said:
what have you done to help these people ? money, timePJ_Soul said:
Yeah, because the refugee crisis is SO fun, right?Godfather. said:
how would it be if all shared the same idea or opinion ?.....no fun at all. LOL !badbrains said:
Thank you for this. Nice to see that in some places in the world, people actually CARE. I seriously can't believe some of the shit I'm reading on the thread about the refugees. How some people sleep at night is baffling to me. But I guess when you have NO HEART, sleep comes easy.jnimhaoileoin said:
Godfather.
I don't think you're going to have any luck convincing people that supporting not helping people in desperate need and instead criticizing and being paranoid/suspicious about those in need is a valuable contribution to interesting diversity.
what have you done help these people ? money , time ? or does it make you feel better to say you support them and their struggle, lighten up Francis.PJ_Soul said:
Yeah, because the refugee crisis is SO fun, right?Godfather. said:
how would it be if all shared the same idea or opinion ?.....no fun at all. LOL !badbrains said:
Thank you for this. Nice to see that in some places in the world, people actually CARE. I seriously can't believe some of the shit I'm reading on the thread about the refugees. How some people sleep at night is baffling to me. But I guess when you have NO HEART, sleep comes easy.jnimhaoileoin said:
Godfather.
I don't think you're going to have any luck convincing people that supporting not helping people in desperate need and instead criticizing and being paranoid/suspicious about those in need is a valuable contribution to interesting diversity.
Godfather.
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Okay. So how did Muslims bite your hand while you fed them so that you don't want Muslim refugees in your community or your country?Godfather. said:
if we had ever met you would understand that how I feel in my heart for people that need help is much different than the reality of what I am able to do and what history time and time again shows us.PJ_Soul said:
First of all, not specifically helping them isn't the same as specifically thinking they should not be helped at all. In fact, one has nothing to do with that other.Godfather. said:
what have you done help these people ? money , time ? or does it make you feel better to say you support them and their struggle, lighten up Francis.PJ_Soul said:
Yeah, because the refugee crisis is SO fun, right?Godfather. said:
how would it be if all shared the same idea or opinion ?.....no fun at all. LOL !badbrains said:
Thank you for this. Nice to see that in some places in the world, people actually CARE. I seriously can't believe some of the shit I'm reading on the thread about the refugees. How some people sleep at night is baffling to me. But I guess when you have NO HEART, sleep comes easy.jnimhaoileoin said:
Godfather.
I don't think you're going to have any luck convincing people that supporting not helping people in desperate need and instead criticizing and being paranoid/suspicious about those in need is a valuable contribution to interesting diversity.
Godfather.
Second, I have absolutely no resources to offer them, I'm sorry to say. But in any case, I wasn't talking about you sending aid (and in general, I am talking about government helping them, not individuals). I was talking about you actually feeling that the refugees don't need help, and shouldn't be helped, for various reasons.
I must say that I am a bit sick to see those who are "against" the refugees defend their view by trying to accuse those who feel for them of not giving money and time. It is an idiotic attempt to defend an indefensible attitude towards them.
people have a habit of biting the hand that feeds them and sometimes one would have to think that they are about to be bit again.
Godfather.With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
.....ummm I didn't realize we were talking about muslims in general, you know my feelings on that, are you trying to set up another bigot/racist discussion ?PJ_Soul said:
Okay. So how did Muslims bite your hand while you fed them so that you don't want Muslim refugees in your community or your country?Godfather. said:
if we had ever met you would understand that how I feel in my heart for people that need help is much different than the reality of what I am able to do and what history time and time again shows us.PJ_Soul said:
First of all, not specifically helping them isn't the same as specifically thinking they should not be helped at all. In fact, one has nothing to do with that other.Godfather. said:
what have you done help these people ? money , time ? or does it make you feel better to say you support them and their struggle, lighten up Francis.PJ_Soul said:
Yeah, because the refugee crisis is SO fun, right?Godfather. said:
how would it be if all shared the same idea or opinion ?.....no fun at all. LOL !badbrains said:
Thank you for this. Nice to see that in some places in the world, people actually CARE. I seriously can't believe some of the shit I'm reading on the thread about the refugees. How some people sleep at night is baffling to me. But I guess when you have NO HEART, sleep comes easy.jnimhaoileoin said:
Godfather.
I don't think you're going to have any luck convincing people that supporting not helping people in desperate need and instead criticizing and being paranoid/suspicious about those in need is a valuable contribution to interesting diversity.
Godfather.
Second, I have absolutely no resources to offer them, I'm sorry to say. But in any case, I wasn't talking about you sending aid (and in general, I am talking about government helping them, not individuals). I was talking about you actually feeling that the refugees don't need help, and shouldn't be helped, for various reasons.
I must say that I am a bit sick to see those who are "against" the refugees defend their view by trying to accuse those who feel for them of not giving money and time. It is an idiotic attempt to defend an indefensible attitude towards them.
people have a habit of biting the hand that feeds them and sometimes one would have to think that they are about to be bit again.
Godfather.
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A small Dutch village (called ' Oranje' (Orange), as if this story was made up) with a few hundred inhabitants will receive 1400 refugees ( or newcomers, so to speak). The inhabitants are not happy with that. They make themselves heard in the most idiotic ways and they use racist arguments (as if all those men are terrorist rapists...). But to portray their resistance as racist frightens me. Because their anger is also about the way that the government has dropped these refugees upon them, about being unclear (and maybe even lying) and about the effects on society, which will have to occur with such an influx (and that would occur as well if you would put 1400 blond bubbly girls in that village).
The protests of the people of Oranje suck. They suck big time. But the government sucks as well in the way this was played. This burocratic ivory towery hautain way of dealing with this topic frightens the hell out of me. The public support for supporting refugees, which exists in the Netherlands and is vibrant, will be damaged by behaviour like this.Post edited by Aafke on
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee0 -
a few hundred inhabitants will receive 1400 refugees ????? wtf ! yeah I'd be pissed too ! basically their will be over run with muslims....totally different religious beliefs, different customs...a whole different attitude, these people have every right to be pissed....so as the story will go (as if the story is made up) all the years, traditions and generations of this town will be replaced with "new comers" ...fucked up story in my opinion. there will be blood spilled before the story is over.Aafke said:A small Dutch village (called ' Oranje' (Orange), as if this story was made up) with a few hundred inhabitants will receive 1400 refugees ( or newcomers, so to speak). The inhabitants are not happy with that. They make themselves heard in the most idiotic ways and they use racist arguments (as if all those men are terrorist rapists...). But to portray their resistance as racist frightens me. Because their anger is also about the way that the government has dropped these refugees upon them, about being unclear (and maybe even lying) and about the effects on society, which will have to occur with such an influx (and that would occur as well if you would put 1400 blond bubbly girls in that village).
The protests of the people of Oranje suck. They suck big time. But the government sucks as well in the way this was played. This burocratic ivory towery hautain way of dealing with this topic frightens the hell out of me. The public support for supporting refugees, which exists in the Netherlands and is vibrant, will be damaged by behaviour like this.
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If I look at the dreadful scenes about the refugees and hear the responses from a lot of western citizens, I ask myself why each year we celebrate our freedom, if we are not willing to share this freedom with these people. Or is freedom supposed to be only for the privileged ones?
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee0 -
We're not in the USA Godfather, but the tensions are rising for sure...Godfather. said:
a few hundred inhabitants will receive 1400 refugees ????? wtf ! yeah I'd be pissed too ! basically their will be over run with muslims....totally different religious beliefs, different customs...a whole different attitude, these people have every right to be pissed....so as the story will go (as if the story is made up) all the years, traditions and generations of this town will be replaced with "new comers" ...fucked up story in my opinion. there will be blood spilled before the story is over.Aafke said:A small Dutch village (called ' Oranje' (Orange), as if this story was made up) with a few hundred inhabitants will receive 1400 refugees ( or newcomers, so to speak). The inhabitants are not happy with that. They make themselves heard in the most idiotic ways and they use racist arguments (as if all those men are terrorist rapists...). But to portray their resistance as racist frightens me. Because their anger is also about the way that the government has dropped these refugees upon them, about being unclear (and maybe even lying) and about the effects on society, which will have to occur with such an influx (and that would occur as well if you would put 1400 blond bubbly girls in that village).
The protests of the people of Oranje suck. They suck big time. But the government sucks as well in the way this was played. This burocratic ivory towery hautain way of dealing with this topic frightens the hell out of me. The public support for supporting refugees, which exists in the Netherlands and is vibrant, will be damaged by behaviour like this.
Godfather.
In my hometown 3000 refugees have been placed on a site were there is room for about 1000 people. They have been given tents to live in without air circulation and there is no space for some privacy. Without an A-status the refugees aren't allowed to work and under normal circumstances this takes a couple of years to get one. But these aren't normal circumstances... This year we have already taken 20 times the quota from the previous years.
And have nothing to do all day long, even in normal circumstances this will pretty soon work on someones nerves, but these people have gone through traumatic experiences before the even arrived...
These people have gone trough an horrific journey to arrive out here, most of them were upper class citizens in there country of origin, have lost a good home, have given up a good job, have left there families and friends, to find asylum, to stay alive.
While they arrive many people see them as pariahs and threat them this way. I understand that many of them are scared to lose there jobs to these people, or can't get social housing because of the new arrivals....
Yes, for sure tensions are rising... I can only hope we will get through this without much incidents...Post edited by Aafke on
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee0 -
Americans fought and died for our independence ...it wasn't free and it still isn't ,men and women of America fight for this country so why should it just be given to people not willing to fight for their own homes and freedom ?Aafke said:Freedom
If I look at the dreadful scenes about the refugees and hear the responses from a lot of western citizens, I ask myself why each year we celebrate our freedom, if we are not willing to share this freedom with these people. Or is freedom supposed to be only for the privileged ones?
Godfather.
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I was talking about the situation in the Netherlands, and we didn't fight either for our own freedom (just a couple of people fought in WWII but most of the Dutch, were to much of cowards to fight the German occupants). Canadian, British and American soldiers had set us free! But each year we do celebrate that freedom, why can't we share it?Godfather. said:
Americans fought and died for our independence ...it wasn't free and it still isn't ,men and women of America fight for this country so why should it just be given to people not willing to fight for their own homes and freedom ?Aafke said:Freedom
If I look at the dreadful scenes about the refugees and hear the responses from a lot of western citizens, I ask myself why each year we celebrate our freedom, if we are not willing to share this freedom with these people. Or is freedom supposed to be only for the privileged ones?
Godfather.
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee0 -
freedom for everyone ! do you mean sending a zillion refugees to America ? we are pretty filled up with illegal citizens and a continuous flow of refugees from Cuba and a few other countries as it is so I think Americans do a pretty good job of sharing as it is, seems like everybody want's freedom or something else from America but not as many are willing to fight for freedom or change in their own countries or willing to adapt to American customs, it's almost like these people flee a country with brutal customs and laws and then try and bring those same messed up law's and custom's with them to America...why do they even leave ?Aafke said:
I was talking about the situation in the Netherlands, and we didn't fight either for our own freedom (just a couple of people fought in WWII but most of the Dutch, were to much of cowards to fight the German occupants). Canadian, British and American soldiers had set us free! But each year we do celebrate that freedom, why can't we share it?Godfather. said:
Americans fought and died for our independence ...it wasn't free and it still isn't ,men and women of America fight for this country so why should it just be given to people not willing to fight for their own homes and freedom ?Aafke said:Freedom
If I look at the dreadful scenes about the refugees and hear the responses from a lot of western citizens, I ask myself why each year we celebrate our freedom, if we are not willing to share this freedom with these people. Or is freedom supposed to be only for the privileged ones?
Godfather.
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As I said before ( but maybe not clear enough) I was talking about my own country... And if you are forced due to war to flee from your country it is not surprising to me that you bring some of your own customs with you. You can love your country so much but if you starve to death or get bombs dropped on your house or head any second, your country might not be the safest place to stay in, no matter how much you love it.Godfather. said:
freedom for everyone ! do you mean sending a zillion refugees to America ? we are pretty filled up with illegal citizens and a continuous flow of refugees from Cuba and a few other countries as it is so I think Americans do a pretty good job of sharing as it is, seems like everybody want's freedom or something else from America but not as many are willing to fight for freedom or change in their own countries or willing to adapt to American customs, it's almost like these people flee a country with brutal customs and laws and then try and bring those same messed up law's and custom's with them to America...why do they even leave ?Aafke said:
I was talking about the situation in the Netherlands, and we didn't fight either for our own freedom (just a couple of people fought in WWII but most of the Dutch, were to much of cowards to fight the German occupants). Canadian, British and American soldiers had set us free! But each year we do celebrate that freedom, why can't we share it?Godfather. said:
Americans fought and died for our independence ...it wasn't free and it still isn't ,men and women of America fight for this country so why should it just be given to people not willing to fight for their own homes and freedom ?Aafke said:Freedom
If I look at the dreadful scenes about the refugees and hear the responses from a lot of western citizens, I ask myself why each year we celebrate our freedom, if we are not willing to share this freedom with these people. Or is freedom supposed to be only for the privileged ones?
Godfather.
Godfather.
Bye the way adaptation is not a one way street, it has to come from both sides. Open your heart to other people and they aren't as scary as they might look like, you might have a lot more in common than you might think you have.
It was not my intention to suggest that the US has to take in a zillion refugees. But by closing the borders you might miss out on a precious gift they could share with you...
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee0
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