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  • mcgruff10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    is there any money given to the US in times of need by other countries ? serious question, I've never heard of any....maybe Japan ?

    Godfather.

    Dude I thought the same exact thing!!
    When could the US not afford something themselves if they wanted to? If you feel the US or American citizens have been in need, it's because your own government don't deem it necessary to help with money that it has. They spent it on the military instead.
    However, FYI, I know that Canadians have sent TONS of aid during American disasters, both in the form of civilian donations and social services such as search and rescue crews. Not to mention putting up tens of thousands of you when they were stuck in Canada after 9/11.
    I d love for you to compare the aid we send internationally against what Canada sends.
    And i don't want to get into a pissing contest because I m totally in love with everything Canada and thank everything they have done for us but damn pjsoul your post was so damn pompous.
    Pompous seems unfair, she was merely answering the question asked and pointing out that Canada have given aid
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
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  • muskydanmuskydan Posts: 1,013

    PJ_Soul said:

    Let's try again! :lol:

    Somehow it's just not the same now.... but I'll try.

    The mayor of Vancouver (Gregor Robertson... he's totally and madly obsessed with bike lanes, but I'll give him some credit today) held a town hall meeting so that people could come and discuss what the real options are for those who want to help the refugees, how much it can cost, what it would take, what hoops have to be jumped through, etc. Very good idea I thought. If every mayor of every major city in North America did the same thing, that would probably be very helpful.

    They do sometimes. It's fun, I've been to a few.

    I don't understand why everyone's expected to allow them in with open arms. We've all seen the rise in violence due to the influx of illegal immigrants in Texas and New Mexico, we all support building a fence to properly screen and validate every person crossing the border, yet when it happens in a third world country, where violence runs rampant, it's expected to be allowed? Shouldn't it be more restricted and validated even more so there?

    I don't blame the countries for building fences around their points of entry. I would lay out row after row of barbed wire.

    Ask your self honestly if you would be ok with suddenly 100s of Iraqie immigrants living on the same road as your home, living in the yards, bathing and using the rest room in your drive way. I doubt you would be so welcoming after a very short amount of time.

    We all want to pretend we would help, but I think deep down we know the truth. At least I'm honest about it. Unlike 99.9% of the rest of the world who doesn't want to "offend" anyone!
    Come on man, you are looking for honesty and reality on here??
    callen said:

    Yeah Dimi it sucks. Greece should be helped financially.

    I agree, financial assistance is in order. Thank GOD for big deep Oceans
  • Just discovered that Israel is the top recipient of US aid, eeek
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,500

    Just discovered that Israel is the top recipient of US aid, eeek

    Been like that for decades. Check out the aid we send to Pakistan, the hiding spot for bin laden.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    edited December 2015

    is there any money given to the US in times of need by other countries ? serious question, I've never heard of any....maybe Japan ?

    Godfather.

    I didn't say US specifically but here we have Greece struggling financially and they are paying the price by getting all the Syrian refugees.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,954
    mcgruff10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    is there any money given to the US in times of need by other countries ? serious question, I've never heard of any....maybe Japan ?

    Godfather.

    Dude I thought the same exact thing!!
    When could the US not afford something themselves if they wanted to? If you feel the US or American citizens have been in need, it's because your own government don't deem it necessary to help with money that it has. They spent it on the military instead.
    However, FYI, I know that Canadians have sent TONS of aid during American disasters, both in the form of civilian donations and social services such as search and rescue crews. Not to mention putting up tens of thousands of you when they were stuck in Canada after 9/11.
    I d love for you to compare the aid we send internationally against what Canada sends.
    And i don't want to get into a pissing contest because I m totally in love with everything Canada and thank everything they have done for us but damn pjsoul your post was so damn pompous.
    If you think that then you are misinterpreting the point I was trying to make.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    This makes me proud.


    Canada’s Warm Embrace of Refugees

    The simple but powerful words with which Prime Minister Justin Trudeau of Canada greeted the first group of Syrians resettled under an expedited program stood in sharp contrast to the misery and monumental injustice the earlier images represent.

    “You are home,” he said when the refugees disembarked in Toronto on Thursday after a 16-hour flight from Beirut. To a man holding a toddler wearing a headband with flowers, he repeated the sentiment: “Welcome to your new home.”


    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/12/opinion/canadas-warm-embrace-of-refugees.html
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,593

    is there any money given to the US in times of need by other countries ? serious question, I've never heard of any....maybe Japan ?

    Godfather.

    In short ,yes
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    mickeyrat said:

    is there any money given to the US in times of need by other countries ? serious question, I've never heard of any....maybe Japan ?

    Godfather.

    In short ,yes
    I'm not doubting that at all I'm just curious from who ?

    Godfather.

  • ldent42ldent42 Posts: 7,859
    Before the world went mad
    http://www.mymodernmet.com/profiles/blogs/dr-bill-podlich-afghanistan-pre-taliban

    Surprised that there's an open "refugee crisis" thread.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    ldent42 said:

    Before the world went mad
    http://www.mymodernmet.com/profiles/blogs/dr-bill-podlich-afghanistan-pre-taliban

    Surprised that there's an open "refugee crisis" thread.

    There are some very pretty places over there that I will never be able to visit during my lifetime as it stands.
  • ldent42ldent42 Posts: 7,859
    Iran and Iraq too. It's sad.
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  • dudemandudeman Posts: 3,061
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  • AnnafalkAnnafalk Posts: 4,004
    edited January 2016
    My country is not so nice as it was about 20 years ago I wouldn't recommend coming here. We have for example people sitting and begging for money outside all stores and in every street corner. They have travelled here from poor parts of Europe just to sit and beg, it's very tragic.
    Another horrible thing that has happenend over here was when Abraham Ukbakabir 36 yrs old from Eritrea murdered two innocent people in an IKEA store, a mom and her son it was because he was disappointed about the rejection he had gotten on his asylum application.

    Maybe I shouldn't bring up stories like this, but I can't help getting angry.
    I still think it's right to give asylum to refugees that really needs it but not more than a country can do in a good way both for the sake of people living here already and the people arriving.
    Post edited by Annafalk on
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Annafalk said:

    My country is not so nice as it was about 20 years ago I wouldn't recommend coming here. We have for example people sitting and begging for money outside all stores and in every street corner. They have travelled here from poor parts of Europe just to sit and beg, it's very tragic.
    Another horrible thing that has happenend over here was when Abraham Ukbakabir 36 yrs old from Eritrea murdered two innocent people in an IKEA store, a mom and her son it was because he was disappointed about the rejection he had gotten on his asylum application.

    Maybe I shouldn't bring up stories like this, but I can't help getting angry.
    I still think it's right to give asylum to refugees that really needs it but not more than a country can do in a good way both for the sake of people living here already and the people arriving.
    Sounds like a normal Tuesday afternoon state of affairs for most of the world.
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  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Anna,what you guys are dealing with is the whole assimilation elephant in the room that most open all door refugee supporters tend to neglect when saying take em all in.
  • AnnafalkAnnafalk Posts: 4,004
    rr165892 said:

    Anna,what you guys are dealing with is the whole assimilation elephant in the room that most open all door refugee supporters tend to neglect when saying take em all in.

    Agreed, our politicians has woken up far too late.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,954
    rr165892 said:

    Anna,what you guys are dealing with is the whole assimilation elephant in the room that most open all door refugee supporters tend to neglect when saying take em all in.

    Assimilation doesn't work. Integration should be the goal, and it's not easy.
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  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    PJ_Soul said:

    rr165892 said:

    Anna,what you guys are dealing with is the whole assimilation elephant in the room that most open all door refugee supporters tend to neglect when saying take em all in.

    Assimilation doesn't work. Integration should be the goal, and it's not easy.
    Agreed,but your not going to get that many integrated with out a certain amount of assimilating to the culture and lifestyle of the host country.
  • rgambs said:

    Annafalk said:

    My country is not so nice as it was about 20 years ago I wouldn't recommend coming here. We have for example people sitting and begging for money outside all stores and in every street corner. They have travelled here from poor parts of Europe just to sit and beg, it's very tragic.
    Another horrible thing that has happenend over here was when Abraham Ukbakabir 36 yrs old from Eritrea murdered two innocent people in an IKEA store, a mom and her son it was because he was disappointed about the rejection he had gotten on his asylum application.

    Maybe I shouldn't bring up stories like this, but I can't help getting angry.
    I still think it's right to give asylum to refugees that really needs it but not more than a country can do in a good way both for the sake of people living here already and the people arriving.
    Sounds like a normal Tuesday afternoon state of affairs for most of the world.
    You're not saying that because this is a typical Tuesday in many shit countries... your country shouldn't expect any better are you? In other words... other people deal with f**ked up people so why shouldn't you?

    These stories presented are the items used to counter pro immigration arguments. They are definitely worth considering.

    I'm all for Canada allowing access to any suitable person wishing to come to Canada and be a Canadian. If somebody wishes to immigrate to Canada, but live like a martian as they did in martianville... stay in martianville and be a martian.
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  • dudemandudeman Posts: 3,061

    rgambs said:

    Annafalk said:

    My country is not so nice as it was about 20 years ago I wouldn't recommend coming here. We have for example people sitting and begging for money outside all stores and in every street corner. They have travelled here from poor parts of Europe just to sit and beg, it's very tragic.
    Another horrible thing that has happenend over here was when Abraham Ukbakabir 36 yrs old from Eritrea murdered two innocent people in an IKEA store, a mom and her son it was because he was disappointed about the rejection he had gotten on his asylum application.

    Maybe I shouldn't bring up stories like this, but I can't help getting angry.
    I still think it's right to give asylum to refugees that really needs it but not more than a country can do in a good way both for the sake of people living here already and the people arriving.
    Sounds like a normal Tuesday afternoon state of affairs for most of the world.
    You're not saying that because this is a typical Tuesday in many shit countries... your country shouldn't expect any better are you? In other words... other people deal with f**ked up people so why shouldn't you?

    These stories presented are the items used to counter pro immigration arguments. They are definitely worth considering.

    I'm all for Canada allowing access to any suitable person wishing to come to Canada and be a Canadian. If somebody wishes to immigrate to Canada, but live like a martian as they did in martianville... stay in martianville and be a martian.
    This.
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576

    rgambs said:

    Annafalk said:

    My country is not so nice as it was about 20 years ago I wouldn't recommend coming here. We have for example people sitting and begging for money outside all stores and in every street corner. They have travelled here from poor parts of Europe just to sit and beg, it's very tragic.
    Another horrible thing that has happenend over here was when Abraham Ukbakabir 36 yrs old from Eritrea murdered two innocent people in an IKEA store, a mom and her son it was because he was disappointed about the rejection he had gotten on his asylum application.

    Maybe I shouldn't bring up stories like this, but I can't help getting angry.
    I still think it's right to give asylum to refugees that really needs it but not more than a country can do in a good way both for the sake of people living here already and the people arriving.
    Sounds like a normal Tuesday afternoon state of affairs for most of the world.
    You're not saying that because this is a typical Tuesday in many shit countries... your country shouldn't expect any better are you? In other words... other people deal with f**ked up people so why shouldn't you?

    These stories presented are the items used to counter pro immigration arguments. They are definitely worth considering.

    I'm all for Canada allowing access to any suitable person wishing to come to Canada and be a Canadian. If somebody wishes to immigrate to Canada, but live like a martian as they did in martianville... stay in martianville and be a martian.
    No, I was only trying to make the point that there is violence everywhere, and while Sweden may have been a virtual paradise for a while, I doubt it's become the kind of place that shouldn't be recommended for travel.
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  • And begs the question: why no longer a 'virtual paradise'? What happened?
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,086
    Annafalk said:

    My country is not so nice as it was about 20 years ago I wouldn't recommend coming here. We have for example people sitting and begging for money outside all stores and in every street corner. They have travelled here from poor parts of Europe just to sit and beg, it's very tragic.
    Another horrible thing that has happenend over here was when Abraham Ukbakabir 36 yrs old from Eritrea murdered two innocent people in an IKEA store, a mom and her son it was because he was disappointed about the rejection he had gotten on his asylum application.

    Maybe I shouldn't bring up stories like this, but I can't help getting angry.
    I still think it's right to give asylum to refugees that really needs it but not more than a country can do in a good way both for the sake of people living here already and the people arriving.
    You may not recommend coming to Sweden, but seriously, all of the Scandinavian countries have a great reputation for awesomeness, and I'd love to visit them all, despite any Ikea stabber.
  • AnnafalkAnnafalk Posts: 4,004

    Annafalk said:

    My country is not so nice as it was about 20 years ago I wouldn't recommend coming here. We have for example people sitting and begging for money outside all stores and in every street corner. They have travelled here from poor parts of Europe just to sit and beg, it's very tragic.
    Another horrible thing that has happenend over here was when Abraham Ukbakabir 36 yrs old from Eritrea murdered two innocent people in an IKEA store, a mom and her son it was because he was disappointed about the rejection he had gotten on his asylum application.

    Maybe I shouldn't bring up stories like this, but I can't help getting angry.
    I still think it's right to give asylum to refugees that really needs it but not more than a country can do in a good way both for the sake of people living here already and the people arriving.
    You may not recommend coming to Sweden, but seriously, all of the Scandinavian countries have a great reputation for awesomeness, and I'd love to visit them all, despite any Ikea stabber.
    Hello Go Beavers, that's very nice to hear :) I hope you will some day!, Norway has beautiful fjords and most people in Scandinavia speaks English.
  • AnnafalkAnnafalk Posts: 4,004
    edited January 2016

    rgambs said:

    Annafalk said:

    My country is not so nice as it was about 20 years ago I wouldn't recommend coming here. We have for example people sitting and begging for money outside all stores and in every street corner. They have travelled here from poor parts of Europe just to sit and beg, it's very tragic.
    Another horrible thing that has happenend over here was when Abraham Ukbakabir 36 yrs old from Eritrea murdered two innocent people in an IKEA store, a mom and her son it was because he was disappointed about the rejection he had gotten on his asylum application.

    Maybe I shouldn't bring up stories like this, but I can't help getting angry.
    I still think it's right to give asylum to refugees that really needs it but not more than a country can do in a good way both for the sake of people living here already and the people arriving.
    Sounds like a normal Tuesday afternoon state of affairs for most of the world.
    You're not saying that because this is a typical Tuesday in many shit countries... your country shouldn't expect any better are you? In other words... other people deal with f**ked up people so why shouldn't you?

    These stories presented are the items used to counter pro immigration arguments. They are definitely worth considering.

    I'm all for Canada allowing access to any suitable person wishing to come to Canada and be a Canadian. If somebody wishes to immigrate to Canada, but live like a martian as they did in martianville... stay in martianville and be a martian.
    Exactly, and yes we should still help people.
    Post edited by Annafalk on
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