Ugh. Always having to take credit for doing good. I find it more respectful for people who do it and ask nothing in return or don't want any photos or recognition...Taking your photo with a basket of bananas just makes me want to puke.
Hopefully these "migrants" don't Rob and beat her for those bananas and her camera.
Saw this on FB with he heading "Hungarians waiting by the highway with food to give to the refugees who will arrive on foot."
Ugh. Always having to take credit for doing good. I find it more respectful for people who do it and ask nothing in return or don't want any photos or recognition. Taking your photo with a basket of bananas just makes me want to puke.
Hopefully these "migrants" don't Rob and beat her for those bananas and her camera.
Going to sound cold but if Europe and or Canada or the US just openly accepted all these folks more and more would come and countries would go broke, it's citizens would revolt and we would have a major mess.
Going to sound cold, but if Europe, Canada, and the US didn't drop bombs on these people as well as fund both sides of nearly every bloody conflict in the middle east then perhaps there would not be the scale of crisis we are now facing.
Bomb their country back to the stone age and then criticise them for wanting to be part of the 21st century.
Like a broken fuckin record
nothing to add then?
I love how some people here seem to think this crisis began 3 years ago, independent of any outside factors, millions of people just woke up one morning and said to themselves "fuck it, you know what, lets up stakes and walk from one continent to another, take a risky as fuck boat ride with a high casualty rate, just so we can rob some social welfare, and flip burgers off the books for a living."
Going to sound cold but if Europe and or Canada or the US just openly accepted all these folks more and more would come and countries would go broke, it's citizens would revolt and we would have a major mess.
Going to sound cold, but if Europe, Canada, and the US didn't drop bombs on these people as well as fund both sides of nearly every bloody conflict in the middle east then perhaps there would not be the scale of crisis we are now facing.
Bomb their country back to the stone age and then criticise them for wanting to be part of the 21st century.
Like a broken fuckin record
nothing to add then?
I love how some people here seem to think this crisis began 3 years ago, independent of any outside factors, millions of people just woke up one morning and said to themselves "fuck it, you know what, lets up stakes and walk from one continent to another, take a risky as fuck boat ride with a high casualty rate, just so we can rob some social welfare, and flip burgers off the books for a living."
Like a broken fuckin record indeed
WTF are you talking about ?
So you think I'm the one with the myopic view? The region was and is a shit show wether we are destabilizing it or not.It has been for 1000s of years. My comment which originally was part of a conversation with someone else is Syria is in the middle of a civil war.The fleeing refugees are fleeing Assads govt who is exterminating them.That you cannot hang on US.But yet you still need to deflect blame.I get it. And if your going to talk shit,at least be accurate.Ive not once made little of the plight of the refugees.Dont confuse calling out hypocritical board members with making light of the struggles of those innocent people.
Going to sound cold but if Europe and or Canada or the US just openly accepted all these folks more and more would come and countries would go broke, it's citizens would revolt and we would have a major mess.
Going to sound cold, but if Europe, Canada, and the US didn't drop bombs on these people as well as fund both sides of nearly every bloody conflict in the middle east then perhaps there would not be the scale of crisis we are now facing.
Bomb their country back to the stone age and then criticise them for wanting to be part of the 21st century.
Like a broken fuckin record
nothing to add then?
I love how some people here seem to think this crisis began 3 years ago, independent of any outside factors, millions of people just woke up one morning and said to themselves "fuck it, you know what, lets up stakes and walk from one continent to another, take a risky as fuck boat ride with a high casualty rate, just so we can rob some social welfare, and flip burgers off the books for a living."
Like a broken fuckin record indeed
WTF are you talking about ?
So you think I'm the one with the myopic view? The region was and is a shit show wether we are destabilizing it or not.It has been for 1000s of years. My comment which originally was part of a conversation with someone else is Syria is in the middle of a civil war.The fleeing refugees are fleeing Assads govt who is exterminating them.That you cannot hang on US.But yet you still need to deflect blame.I get it. And if your going to talk shit,at least be accurate.Ive not once made little of the plight of the refugees.Dont confuse calling out hypocritical board members with making light of the struggles of those innocent people.
Going to sound cold but if Europe and or Canada or the US just openly accepted all these folks more and more would come and countries would go broke, it's citizens would revolt and we would have a major mess.
Going to sound cold, but if Europe, Canada, and the US didn't drop bombs on these people as well as fund both sides of nearly every bloody conflict in the middle east then perhaps there would not be the scale of crisis we are now facing.
Bomb their country back to the stone age and then criticise them for wanting to be part of the 21st century.
Like a broken fuckin record
nothing to add then?
I love how some people here seem to think this crisis began 3 years ago, independent of any outside factors, millions of people just woke up one morning and said to themselves "fuck it, you know what, lets up stakes and walk from one continent to another, take a risky as fuck boat ride with a high casualty rate, just so we can rob some social welfare, and flip burgers off the books for a living."
Like a broken fuckin record indeed
WTF are you talking about ?
So you think I'm the one with the myopic view? The region was and is a shit show wether we are destabilizing it or not.It has been for 1000s of years. My comment which originally was part of a conversation with someone else is Syria is in the middle of a civil war.The fleeing refugees are fleeing Assads govt who is exterminating them.That you cannot hang on US.But yet you still need to deflect blame.I get it. And if your going to talk shit,at least be accurate.Ive not once made little of the plight of the refugees.Dont confuse calling out hypocritical board members with making light of the struggles of those innocent people.
I think there are some people misinterpreting each other here.
Callen's comment: totally agree. The reality is, we can pretend all we like, but to be birthed in the USA vs being birthed in Syria would lend you a very different life, from a probabilistic point of view. Were America's doors always open to refugees, without any checks and balances (double-checking the validity of the refugee's claims), you'd better believe that there'd be an influx of refugees to a point where the quality of life in America would suffer. This would in fact go against what a government's prime objective is: to secure the quality of life for its citizens first. The only time this should change is should the citizens collectively decide that they are willing to sacrifice some of their quality of life, in order that its government should act on their behalves to pursue humanitarian initiatives.
Moonpig's comments: this is a sad reality, intervention at the least contributed to, and at the most caused this refugee issue. Frankly, however, this comment is absolutely useless! It offers NOTHING of an alternative solution for a problem, and merely throws blame. It's one thing to acknowledge that the Western world is responsible for destabilizing the region, but it's just hate-mongering until you can use this to help rally people to band together and support initiative X. If we followed Moonpig's trajectory, he'd be content when this thread has people all agreeing "yeah, this is all America's fault!" But of course, there'd still be this tiny refugee problem that we still hadn't put our personal seals of approval behind any sort of plan or immigration policy to support to negate or minimize this issue: and I was under the impression that THAT is why we're here discussing.
Rr: I'm really not sure I understand your position here. My closest guess is that you're empathetic to the plight of the refugees, but don't believe there is a global obligation to the world to blindly take them in. Instead, you put the onus on the region to work on its own stability. Is that close? (I mean no disrespect from this, I'd honestly just like to understand your position more fully).
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There were a few comments about the situation on the ground in the UK.
To answer the direct question, that will very much depend where you go and whom you mix with. Id be surprised to garner that perception from London, however up North where I live I know that sentiment is very real. Its not openly revealed like a badge on your sleeve type thing but there is definitely a negative approach to immigration and a negative approach to integration up here. Its sad, and mind numbing that despite how far we have all come, society is still fragmented into groups of people. In Yorkshire where I reside, it is clear to see areas that are predominantly Chinese based, Jewish, Muslim, sheikh, African, etc, and there is despite the overwhelming message that we are a united country, a grouping of these ethnicities - rather than a 21 st century integration.
So when the ISIS news started to hit and the shocks started to come, there was a lot of street chatter that was rather anti Muslim in its tone. The public perception was overwhelmingly that those cretins represented the Muslim faith. It doesn't take much for the morons in the uk society to united over a misconceived patriotism, and the various fronts like the Britain first, BNP etc came to the forefront on social media forcing the divide a little wider. People often act like sheep, and unsubstantiated facts and stories and ill informed concepts were spreading like wildlife with the simply press of the 'share' button. That only reinforces the ignorance, and the small minded ignorant voices into being something that is doubtlessly correct. And so the cycle continues.
The fact remains here, that the vast majority of the people are level headed and treat people as humans, but there is without doubt an undertone to society - one steeped in mistrust, preconception and age old racism. It doesn't take long to find such a conversation if you wanted to, or find huge debates on social media from the safety of their keyboards. On the most part people live alongside here very nicely here, although the term integration is very much badly used. And Racism will continue to be alive and well, people are judged on their looks, nationality, and in accordance with whatever the media are feeding them that day (whatever the days agenda is). But to think we can get a sense of this racism palpably on the streets is in my view a bit of a stretch.
I don't know what the answer is or whether we will truly eradicate it, but I know with increasingly diverse populations if we don't soon find a way, things wont end well in the long term.
I know its a simplistic view but people are people. That's all.
Saw this on FB with he heading "Hungarians waiting by the highway with food to give to the refugees who will arrive on foot."
Ugh. Always having to take credit for doing good. I find it more respectful for people who do it and ask nothing in return or don't want any photos or recognition. Taking your photo with a basket of bananas just makes me want to puke.
Hopefully these "migrants" don't Rob and beat her for those bananas and her camera.
WOW.
Is this for real? Are you genuinely not trolling this forum?
Have you considered this? That there are reporters in Hungary whom are covering the developments and reporting on the day to day happenings and came across this lady and took her photo? That she didn't actively solicit it, but happened to be minding her own business?
oh no its has to be outward publicity stunt to boost an ego?
Going to sound cold but if Europe and or Canada or the US just openly accepted all these folks more and more would come and countries would go broke, it's citizens would revolt and we would have a major mess.
Going to sound cold, but if Europe, Canada, and the US didn't drop bombs on these people as well as fund both sides of nearly every bloody conflict in the middle east then perhaps there would not be the scale of crisis we are now facing.
Bomb their country back to the stone age and then criticise them for wanting to be part of the 21st century.
Like a broken fuckin record
nothing to add then?
I love how some people here seem to think this crisis began 3 years ago, independent of any outside factors, millions of people just woke up one morning and said to themselves "fuck it, you know what, lets up stakes and walk from one continent to another, take a risky as fuck boat ride with a high casualty rate, just so we can rob some social welfare, and flip burgers off the books for a living."
Like a broken fuckin record indeed
WTF are you talking about ?
So you think I'm the one with the myopic view? The region was and is a shit show wether we are destabilizing it or not.It has been for 1000s of years. My comment which originally was part of a conversation with someone else is Syria is in the middle of a civil war.The fleeing refugees are fleeing Assads govt who is exterminating them.That you cannot hang on US.But yet you still need to deflect blame.I get it. And if your going to talk shit,at least be accurate.Ive not once made little of the plight of the refugees.Dont confuse calling out hypocritical board members with making light of the struggles of those innocent people.
I think there are some people misinterpreting each other here.
Callen's comment: totally agree. The reality is, we can pretend all we like, but to be birthed in the USA vs being birthed in Syria would lend you a very different life, from a probabilistic point of view. Were America's doors always open to refugees, without any checks and balances (double-checking the validity of the refugee's claims), you'd better believe that there'd be an influx of refugees to a point where the quality of life in America would suffer. This would in fact go against what a government's prime objective is: to secure the quality of life for its citizens first. The only time this should change is should the citizens collectively decide that they are willing to sacrifice some of their quality of life, in order that its government should act on their behalves to pursue humanitarian initiatives.
Point to me where anyone said that we should open the floodgates to people around the world without any checks and balances? It's not an all or nothing deal. We have taken people on mass for humanitarian reasons before, and it has made us a better country ,Canada and the Vietnam boat people, 60,000 in a year. Ukrainians in the 50's. It can be done with little harm to the economy and our standard of life.
There were a few comments about the situation on the ground in the UK.
To answer the direct question, that will very much depend where you go and whom you mix with. Id be surprised to garner that perception from London, however up North where I live I know that sentiment is very real. Its not openly revealed like a badge on your sleeve type thing but there is definitely a negative approach to immigration and a negative approach to integration up here. Its sad, and mind numbing that despite how far we have all come, society is still fragmented into groups of people. In Yorkshire where I reside, it is clear to see areas that are predominantly Chinese based, Jewish, Muslim, sheikh, African, etc, and there is despite the overwhelming message that we are a united country, a grouping of these ethnicities - rather than a 21 st century integration.
So when the ISIS news started to hit and the shocks started to come, there was a lot of street chatter that was rather anti Muslim in its tone. The public perception was overwhelmingly that those cretins represented the Muslim faith. It doesn't take much for the morons in the uk society to united over a misconceived patriotism, and the various fronts like the Britain first, BNP etc came to the forefront on social media forcing the divide a little wider. People often act like sheep, and unsubstantiated facts and stories and ill informed concepts were spreading like wildlife with the simply press of the 'share' button. That only reinforces the ignorance, and the small minded ignorant voices into being something that is doubtlessly correct. And so the cycle continues.
The fact remains here, that the vast majority of the people are level headed and treat people as humans, but there is without doubt an undertone to society - one steeped in mistrust, preconception and age old racism. It doesn't take long to find such a conversation if you wanted to, or find huge debates on social media from the safety of their keyboards. On the most part people live alongside here very nicely here, although the term integration is very much badly used. And Racism will continue to be alive and well, people are judged on their looks, nationality, and in accordance with whatever the media are feeding them that day (whatever the days agenda is). But to think we can get a sense of this racism palpably on the streets is in my view a bit of a stretch.
I don't know what the answer is or whether we will truly eradicate it, but I know with increasingly diverse populations if we don't soon find a way, things wont end well in the long term.
I know its a simplistic view but people are people. That's all.
I posted this a while back, but I'd encourage all to look at this - reading and doing the whole thing will take fifteen minutes and really does a lot to demonstrate why seeking diversity and destroying fear of it is the only way to obtain our happiness in an inevitably diverse world.
Going to sound cold but if Europe and or Canada or the US just openly accepted all these folks more and more would come and countries would go broke, it's citizens would revolt and we would have a major mess.
Going to sound cold, but if Europe, Canada, and the US didn't drop bombs on these people as well as fund both sides of nearly every bloody conflict in the middle east then perhaps there would not be the scale of crisis we are now facing.
Bomb their country back to the stone age and then criticise them for wanting to be part of the 21st century.
Like a broken fuckin record
nothing to add then?
I love how some people here seem to think this crisis began 3 years ago, independent of any outside factors, millions of people just woke up one morning and said to themselves "fuck it, you know what, lets up stakes and walk from one continent to another, take a risky as fuck boat ride with a high casualty rate, just so we can rob some social welfare, and flip burgers off the books for a living."
Like a broken fuckin record indeed
WTF are you talking about ?
So you think I'm the one with the myopic view? The region was and is a shit show wether we are destabilizing it or not.It has been for 1000s of years. My comment which originally was part of a conversation with someone else is Syria is in the middle of a civil war.The fleeing refugees are fleeing Assads govt who is exterminating them.That you cannot hang on US.But yet you still need to deflect blame.I get it. And if your going to talk shit,at least be accurate.Ive not once made little of the plight of the refugees.Dont confuse calling out hypocritical board members with making light of the struggles of those innocent people.
I think there are some people misinterpreting each other here.
Callen's comment: totally agree. The reality is, we can pretend all we like, but to be birthed in the USA vs being birthed in Syria would lend you a very different life, from a probabilistic point of view. Were America's doors always open to refugees, without any checks and balances (double-checking the validity of the refugee's claims), you'd better believe that there'd be an influx of refugees to a point where the quality of life in America would suffer. This would in fact go against what a government's prime objective is: to secure the quality of life for its citizens first. The only time this should change is should the citizens collectively decide that they are willing to sacrifice some of their quality of life, in order that its government should act on their behalves to pursue humanitarian initiatives.
Point to me where anyone said that we should open the floodgates to people around the world without any checks and balances? It's not an all or nothing deal. We have taken people on mass for humanitarian reasons before, and it has made us a better country ,Canada and the Vietnam boat people, 60,000 in a year. Ukrainians in the 50's. It can be done with little harm to the economy and our standard of life.
Not sure why you're being purposefully adversarial. I was responding to Callen's post, which clearly was in response to a scenario where we open the floodgates. Who said it? Got me. I'm just agreeing with someone else's statement that there's a balance which must be struck in terms of how much or little friction is involved in taking in refugee status migrants - this in spite of being absolutely in favour of being empathetic through assistance to those in need.
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Germany says they'll take 500,000 a year for a few years....really ? I can't wait to see how this turns out, here's my guess.. first they(refuges) will be greatfull then once they are settled in the demands will start and when those demands arnt met the protesting and possible riots will start, you know just like it is in the US with the muslims, then there will be a new topic to debate on the train, I see things different than most of you, like say I do invite you into my home, I will not repaint my house because the color offends you, I will not adjust my beliefs to make you happy (in my home we believe Jesus died for our sin's) and if that offends you pack youir things and leave, when you are invited into someones home you should have respect for the family that offered to help you, it's really simple.
Going to sound cold but if Europe and or Canada or the US just openly accepted all these folks more and more would come and countries would go broke, it's citizens would revolt and we would have a major mess.
Going to sound cold, but if Europe, Canada, and the US didn't drop bombs on these people as well as fund both sides of nearly every bloody conflict in the middle east then perhaps there would not be the scale of crisis we are now facing.
Bomb their country back to the stone age and then criticise them for wanting to be part of the 21st century.
Like a broken fuckin record
nothing to add then?
I love how some people here seem to think this crisis began 3 years ago, independent of any outside factors, millions of people just woke up one morning and said to themselves "fuck it, you know what, lets up stakes and walk from one continent to another, take a risky as fuck boat ride with a high casualty rate, just so we can rob some social welfare, and flip burgers off the books for a living."
Like a broken fuckin record indeed
WTF are you talking about ?
So you think I'm the one with the myopic view? The region was and is a shit show wether we are destabilizing it or not.It has been for 1000s of years. My comment which originally was part of a conversation with someone else is Syria is in the middle of a civil war.The fleeing refugees are fleeing Assads govt who is exterminating them.That you cannot hang on US.But yet you still need to deflect blame.I get it. And if your going to talk shit,at least be accurate.Ive not once made little of the plight of the refugees.Dont confuse calling out hypocritical board members with making light of the struggles of those innocent people.
I think there are some people misinterpreting each other here.
Callen's comment: totally agree. The reality is, we can pretend all we like, but to be birthed in the USA vs being birthed in Syria would lend you a very different life, from a probabilistic point of view. Were America's doors always open to refugees, without any checks and balances (double-checking the validity of the refugee's claims), you'd better believe that there'd be an influx of refugees to a point where the quality of life in America would suffer. This would in fact go against what a government's prime objective is: to secure the quality of life for its citizens first. The only time this should change is should the citizens collectively decide that they are willing to sacrifice some of their quality of life, in order that its government should act on their behalves to pursue humanitarian initiatives.
Point to me where anyone said that we should open the floodgates to people around the world without any checks and balances? It's not an all or nothing deal. We have taken people on mass for humanitarian reasons before, and it has made us a better country ,Canada and the Vietnam boat people, 60,000 in a year. Ukrainians in the 50's. It can be done with little harm to the economy and our standard of life.
Not sure why you're being purposefully adversarial. I was responding to Callen's post, which clearly was in response to a scenario where we open the floodgates. Who said it? Got me. I'm just agreeing with someone else's statement that there's a balance which must be struck in terms of how much or little friction is involved in taking in refugee status migrants - this in spite of being absolutely in favour of being empathetic through assistance to those in need.
You were agreeing with Callens hypothetical which was brought up, as far as I can tell, by Callen alone. An exaggerated argument used by many as a excuse to do nothing....because, you know, we can't help everyone. I'm not saying that is where either of you stand but can you see why that is how it can be taken?
I'm not trying to be adversarial, it's just a false argument.
Germany says they'll take 500,000 a year for a few years....really ? I can't wait to see how this turns out, here's my guess.. first they(refuges) will be greatfull then once they are settled in the demands will start and when those demands arnt met the protesting and possible riots will start, you know just like it is in the US with the muslims, then there will be a new topic to debate on the train, I see things different than most of you, like say I do invite you into my home, I will not repaint my house because the color offends you, I will not adjust my beliefs to make you happy (in my home we believe Jesus died for our sin's) and if that offends you pack youir things and leave, when you are invited into someones home you should have respect for the family that offered to help you, it's really simple.
Godfather.
Can you find an example of a sponsored refugee wanting the home owner to repaint their house or change their beliefs?
I would like to know where you come up with this BS?
Also, I think it is incumbent on other western nations to take in more refugees so Germany doesn't have to take in so many. It's embarrassing that we aren't.
Germany says they'll take 500,000 a year for a few years....really ? I can't wait to see how this turns out, here's my guess.. first they(refuges) will be greatfull then once they are settled in the demands will start and when those demands arnt met the protesting and possible riots will start, you know just like it is in the US with the muslims, then there will be a new topic to debate on the train, I see things different than most of you, like say I do invite you into my home, I will not repaint my house because the color offends you, I will not adjust my beliefs to make you happy (in my home we believe Jesus died for our sin's) and if that offends you pack youir things and leave, when you are invited into someones home you should have respect for the family that offered to help you, it's really simple.
Godfather.
Can you find an example of a sponsored refugee wanting the home owner to repaint their house or change their beliefs?
I would like to know where you come up with this BS?
Also, I think it is incumbent on other western nations to take in more refugees so Germany doesn't have to take in so many. It's embarrassing that we aren't.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Also, GF, what Muslims in the US are you talking about? I haven't heard about any rioting Muslim refugees in the USA. I'm also curious to know when and where you heard about refugees asking anyone to adjust their beliefs or change their homes? As dignin asked already.... where are you coming up with this shit??
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Ben,My position is this. I see a similar migration of exiled folks who's lives have been uprooted and life turned upside down as I do the Jews fleeing occupied areas during and prior to WW2.I see some Parralel issues and really feel for these folks.I want to see countries help.
I think all this nonsense started because I commented on some of the western posters that said they would open their homes to these refugees.If true that is awesome and heartwarming,but like many things on these boards I thought It was lip service bullshit on behalf of some(not all) and I made a comment on the hypocrisy by stating they should go to a homeless shelter and help someone in need right here.That didn't go over well with some.Oh well,it happenes.Then like always someone blames the U.S. For this problem which I acknowledge may have been part of original destabilization but that Assads regime and IsIs are the one directly responsible now. I also commented that I wouldn't let strangers stay in my house but would be fine with helping with $$. Oh,and I commented on that I thought UK would have a issue with the influx of more Muslims.Based on my visit there and the comments we heard non Muslim locals making.Nart thinks I'm off base so I asked one of our UK posters to verify the feeling on the ground in England.To date no one commented.thats it pal.Ive stated nothing negative about the fleeing families other then wishing them safe passage.So you tell me,where do I stand on this?
Seriously, whoever reported my avatar as offensive needs to grow up. Can't fucken believe in 2015 on a pearl jam forum, someone logs onto their account, takes the time to report a pic as offensive. And I'm shocked that a band like pearl jam would allow whoever it was that changed my avatar to change it in the first place. And how many people has vedder himself offend throughout these 20+ years? Talk about hypocrisy. Wonder if this post is gonna get me suspended again. Some of my fellow pearl jam fanclub members really surprise me. Wonder if the person who reported it has it in them to let us know. Stand by your reporting. Unreal.
Seriously, whoever reported my avatar as offensive needs to grow up. Can't fucken believe in 2015 on a pearl jam forum, someone logs onto their account, takes the time to report a pic as offensive. And I'm shocked that a band like pearl jam would allow whoever it was that changed my avatar to change it in the first place. And how many people has vedder himself offend throughout these 20+ years? Talk about hypocrisy. Wonder if this post is gonna get me suspended again. Some of my fellow pearl jam fanclub members really surprise me. Wonder if the person who reported it has it in them to let us know. Stand by your reporting. Unreal.
Whose eyesight is even good enough to see anything in these tiny fucking avatars anyway??
BB, that's fucking bullshit. The person who reported it should be ashamed of themselves, and I agree that it was a very poor decision on 10C's part when they decided to humour the person complaining.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Seriously, whoever reported my avatar as offensive needs to grow up. Can't fucken believe in 2015 on a pearl jam forum, someone logs onto their account, takes the time to report a pic as offensive. And I'm shocked that a band like pearl jam would allow whoever it was that changed my avatar to change it in the first place. And how many people has vedder himself offend throughout these 20+ years? Talk about hypocrisy. Wonder if this post is gonna get me suspended again. Some of my fellow pearl jam fanclub members really surprise me. Wonder if the person who reported it has it in them to let us know. Stand by your reporting. Unreal.
i bet i know.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
My avatar had EVERYTHING to do with this refugee crisis. I don't get it. And I agree, I should've gotten a pm with something like hey man, some people find your avatar offensive, do you mind changing it? Instead, they just change my avatar without any warning or anything. Who does that? My avatar is for a cause, a cause that's happening right now in this day and age. What's the point of a cause if I can't even use a simple pic. I just don't understand that this is a pearl jam website. Pearl jam, the band who's lead singer wrote pro choice, who wore a shirt with NW on it in Australia, who wore a bush mask on tour. I just don't get it, a cause I'd think vedder himself would be a part of, and I can't post a pic that is RELEVANT to the shit that's happening tbis very day. So weird.
My avatar had EVERYTHING to do with this refugee crisis. I don't get it. And I agree, I should've gotten a pm with something like hey man, some people find your avatar offensive, do you mind changing it? Instead, they just change my avatar without any warning or anything. Who does that? My avatar is for a cause, a cause that's happening right now in this day and age. What's the point of a cause if I can't even use a simple pic. I just don't understand that this is a pearl jam website. Pearl jam, the band who's lead singer wrote pro choice, who wore a shirt with NW on it in Australia, who wore a bush mask on tour. I just don't get it, a cause I'd think vedder himself would be a part of, and I can't post a pic that is RELEVANT to the shit that's happening tbis very day. So weird.
i think a few people have an agenda around here these days.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Saw this on FB with he heading "Hungarians waiting by the highway with food to give to the refugees who will arrive on foot."
Ugh. Always having to take credit for doing good. I find it more respectful for people who do it and ask nothing in return or don't want any photos or recognition. Taking your photo with a basket of bananas just makes me want to puke.
Hopefully these "migrants" don't Rob and beat her for those bananas and her camera.
Sure as hell better than doing nothing and criticising those who do. Does it make you feel inadequate or something? You talk about "doing God's work" when some bigot tries to disenfranchise gay couples and then shit on these people who are very literally following the words of Jesus because they let someone take a picture of them? Typical Christian bullshit. Self-centered, judgemental, hypocritical, moronic dogmas.
don't respond. they win when you do.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
For what it's worth Nart.thats a pretty fucking funny avatar you got going now.Not to diminish the impact and statement of the last one,but still it's solid
Saw this on FB with he heading "Hungarians waiting by the highway with food to give to the refugees who will arrive on foot."
Ugh. Always having to take credit for doing good. I find it more respectful for people who do it and ask nothing in return or don't want any photos or recognition. Taking your photo with a basket of bananas just makes me want to puke.
Hopefully these "migrants" don't Rob and beat her for those bananas and her camera.
Sure as hell better than doing nothing and criticising those who do. Does it make you feel inadequate or something? You talk about "doing God's work" when some bigot tries to disenfranchise gay couples and then shit on these people who are very literally following the words of Jesus because they let someone take a picture of them? Typical Christian bullshit. Self-centered, judgemental, hypocritical, moronic dogmas.
don't respond. they win when you do.
I know you are probably right, don't feed the trolls but... Damn it's hard to let people spew ignorant bullshit without calling it out.
My avatar had EVERYTHING to do with this refugee crisis. I don't get it. And I agree, I should've gotten a pm with something like hey man, some people find your avatar offensive, do you mind changing it? Instead, they just change my avatar without any warning or anything. Who does that? My avatar is for a cause, a cause that's happening right now in this day and age. What's the point of a cause if I can't even use a simple pic. I just don't understand that this is a pearl jam website. Pearl jam, the band who's lead singer wrote pro choice, who wore a shirt with NW on it in Australia, who wore a bush mask on tour. I just don't get it, a cause I'd think vedder himself would be a part of, and I can't post a pic that is RELEVANT to the shit that's happening tbis very day. So weird.
So fucked up. Some of you people who like to use the report function should take a step back and chill the fuck out. And for the mods to change the god damn picture without saying a word is almost worse. It's like communist Russia in this place.
what i find offensive is what has happened to this place. we used to post photos of war dead and atrocities on here and have a real discussion about things. remember the white phosphorus debates we had during the iraq war? remember the isreali incursions and war crimes? i am afraid to post any of that stuff anymore. the imagery is what is the most powerful part of those debates, just like the imagery is the most powerful part of this issue. the image of a 3 year old washed up on a beach made me want to research it. that is for sure.
im starting to sound like an old man about the old days. most of my old friends got banned. maybe i should have left with them. i was doing a nice job of staying away but i got sucked back in.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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As for trolling, no I don't believe you're trolling. I like trolls. Like this cool guy
I love how some people here seem to think this crisis began 3 years ago, independent of any outside factors, millions of people just woke up one morning and said to themselves "fuck it, you know what, lets up stakes and walk from one continent to another, take a risky as fuck boat ride with a high casualty rate, just so we can rob some social welfare, and flip burgers off the books for a living."
Like a broken fuckin record indeed
So you think I'm the one with the myopic view? The region was and is a shit show wether we are destabilizing it or not.It has been for 1000s of years.
My comment which originally was part of a conversation with someone else is Syria is in the middle of a civil war.The fleeing refugees are fleeing Assads govt who is exterminating them.That you cannot hang on US.But yet you still need to deflect blame.I get it.
And if your going to talk shit,at least be accurate.Ive not once made little of the plight of the refugees.Dont confuse calling out hypocritical board members with making light of the struggles of those innocent people.
Godfather.
Callen's comment: totally agree. The reality is, we can pretend all we like, but to be birthed in the USA vs being birthed in Syria would lend you a very different life, from a probabilistic point of view. Were America's doors always open to refugees, without any checks and balances (double-checking the validity of the refugee's claims), you'd better believe that there'd be an influx of refugees to a point where the quality of life in America would suffer. This would in fact go against what a government's prime objective is: to secure the quality of life for its citizens first. The only time this should change is should the citizens collectively decide that they are willing to sacrifice some of their quality of life, in order that its government should act on their behalves to pursue humanitarian initiatives.
Moonpig's comments: this is a sad reality, intervention at the least contributed to, and at the most caused this refugee issue. Frankly, however, this comment is absolutely useless! It offers NOTHING of an alternative solution for a problem, and merely throws blame. It's one thing to acknowledge that the Western world is responsible for destabilizing the region, but it's just hate-mongering until you can use this to help rally people to band together and support initiative X. If we followed Moonpig's trajectory, he'd be content when this thread has people all agreeing "yeah, this is all America's fault!" But of course, there'd still be this tiny refugee problem that we still hadn't put our personal seals of approval behind any sort of plan or immigration policy to support to negate or minimize this issue: and I was under the impression that THAT is why we're here discussing.
Rr: I'm really not sure I understand your position here. My closest guess is that you're empathetic to the plight of the refugees, but don't believe there is a global obligation to the world to blindly take them in. Instead, you put the onus on the region to work on its own stability. Is that close? (I mean no disrespect from this, I'd honestly just like to understand your position more fully).
EV
Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
To answer the direct question, that will very much depend where you go and whom you mix with. Id be surprised to garner that perception from London, however up North where I live I know that sentiment is very real. Its not openly revealed like a badge on your sleeve type thing but there is definitely a negative approach to immigration and a negative approach to integration up here. Its sad, and mind numbing that despite how far we have all come, society is still fragmented into groups of people. In Yorkshire where I reside, it is clear to see areas that are predominantly Chinese based, Jewish, Muslim, sheikh, African, etc, and there is despite the overwhelming message that we are a united country, a grouping of these ethnicities - rather than a 21 st century integration.
So when the ISIS news started to hit and the shocks started to come, there was a lot of street chatter that was rather anti Muslim in its tone. The public perception was overwhelmingly that those cretins represented the Muslim faith. It doesn't take much for the morons in the uk society to united over a misconceived patriotism, and the various fronts like the Britain first, BNP etc came to the forefront on social media forcing the divide a little wider. People often act like sheep, and unsubstantiated facts and stories and ill informed concepts were spreading like wildlife with the simply press of the 'share' button. That only reinforces the ignorance, and the small minded ignorant voices into being something that is doubtlessly correct. And so the cycle continues.
The fact remains here, that the vast majority of the people are level headed and treat people as humans, but there is without doubt an undertone to society - one steeped in mistrust, preconception and age old racism. It doesn't take long to find such a conversation if you wanted to, or find huge debates on social media from the safety of their keyboards. On the most part people live alongside here very nicely here, although the term integration is very much badly used. And Racism will continue to be alive and well, people are judged on their looks, nationality, and in accordance with whatever the media are feeding them that day (whatever the days agenda is). But to think we can get a sense of this racism palpably on the streets is in my view a bit of a stretch.
I don't know what the answer is or whether we will truly eradicate it, but I know with increasingly diverse populations if we don't soon find a way, things wont end well in the long term.
I know its a simplistic view but people are people. That's all.
Is this for real? Are you genuinely not trolling this forum?
Have you considered this? That there are reporters in Hungary whom are covering the developments and reporting on the day to day happenings and came across this lady and took her photo? That she didn't actively solicit it, but happened to be minding her own business?
oh no its has to be outward publicity stunt to boost an ego?
get a grip.
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EV
Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
EV
Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
Godfather.
I'm not trying to be adversarial, it's just a false argument.
I would like to know where you come up with this BS?
Also, I think it is incumbent on other western nations to take in more refugees so Germany doesn't have to take in so many. It's embarrassing that we aren't.
I see a similar migration of exiled folks who's lives have been uprooted and life turned upside down as I do the Jews fleeing occupied areas during and prior to WW2.I see some Parralel issues and really feel for these folks.I want to see countries help.
I think all this nonsense started because I commented on some of the western posters that said they would open their homes to these refugees.If true that is awesome and heartwarming,but like many things on these boards I thought It was lip service bullshit on behalf of some(not all) and I made a comment on the hypocrisy by stating they should go to a homeless shelter and help someone in need right here.That didn't go over well with some.Oh well,it happenes.Then like always someone blames the U.S. For this problem which I acknowledge may have been part of original destabilization but that Assads regime and IsIs are the one directly responsible now.
I also commented that I wouldn't let strangers stay in my house but would be fine with helping with $$.
Oh,and I commented on that I thought UK would have a issue with the influx of more Muslims.Based on my visit there and the comments we heard non Muslim locals making.Nart
thinks I'm off base so I asked one of our UK posters to verify the feeling on the ground in England.To date no one commented.thats it pal.Ive stated nothing negative about the fleeing families other then wishing them safe passage.So you tell me,where do I stand on this?
BB, that's fucking bullshit. The person who reported it should be ashamed of themselves, and I agree that it was a very poor decision on 10C's part when they decided to humour the person complaining.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Damn it's hard to let people spew ignorant bullshit without calling it out.
im starting to sound like an old man about the old days. most of my old friends got banned. maybe i should have left with them. i was doing a nice job of staying away but i got sucked back in.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."