just out of curriosity, how many of you would take some of these families into your home ? I mean really, how many ? I know some of you would say yes but really think about it before you answer, do you trust strangers with your belongings or your kid's ?, I don't expect an honest answer on here but while your at home or work think about that for a while, are you willing to take strangers (1 or 2 families) into your home with your family ?
Godfather.
If the brown people scare you Godfather, you can still open up your heart and give cold hard cash to the cause. It would be very welcome.
brown people scar me ? cold hard cash ?....well my wife is brown and I wouldn't want to piss her off, cold hard cash to who ? the red cross ? or one of those other shady money grabbing charity fronts ?...if you think the US wont be pouring cash into this one way or another your not thinking and I'd be willing to bet the people that need it never see a dime in the way of help.
Godfather.
The Red Cross is shady?
Believe it or not, the Red Cross *is* shady.
It is widely known that the organization misappropriated millions in funds earmarked for 9/11 relief. And then four years later, the Red Cross pulled the rug out from under New Orleans after Katrina.
It may be squeaky clean now. But you rip off charitable folks and fuck over those in need in my two favorite cities in the world, then you have credibility issues with me for life.
Thankfully, there are other ways to help and more localized charities on the ground that put your money to work better and faster.
do you know what % of money collected goes to those in need (food water shelter etc.) ? I know the legal amount is just stupid like 1 to 2% but I don't know how much is actually given, if 10% or 50% I don't know....but I do know united way is a scam.
Godfather.
If you actually give a shit you would do your own research and find a reputable organization to donate to. There are plenty out there.
We personally know some of the people involved in this organization, it is very legit. And I'm sure there are plenty of religious organizations sponsoring family's in your area.
Now is the time to act like a Christian. Shit or get off the pot Godfather
Good to know about this! Thank you, dignin!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
GF (quoting up there is fucked). That's not what I meant about you thinking we're all liars. I was talking about how you said you didn't expect anyone here to answer your question honestly.
The part about having people in your home is a totally different topic. But you didn't answer my question. Would you not try to help refugees by letting them stay in your home because they are middle eastern? Or would you refuse shelter to Americans in need who you don't know during a crisis too.
American or middle eastern it don't matter, if I can help I do but my help is limited when it's asked to enter my home(been there done that)
Godfather.
This is an honest answer.I would also do the same.Ill donateMy time and money to certain issues,but short of someone I know,like a family member or friend .I'm not opening my home.Not anymore.Not in Today's world. And anyone on here who says they would ,prove it! Just go on down to your local homeless shelter.Im sure there is a family down there you can also help immediately by letting them into your life and home.
There are a lot of dynamics going on. We in the USA and Canada think we can understand the plight of the refugees and the border countries in Europe.
The USA and Canada are frickin' huge countries though. A million refugees could come into the USA and 95% of the population wouldn't know.
I think for countries like Italy and Greece that are financially broke and don't have strong governments, it may be difficult for individuals living in those countries to be accepting of refugees because there may not be the resources to take care of them, and let's all admit that there is a lot of terrorism in these countries they are coming from and it is reasonable to have some level of trepidation that all of these refugees aren't coming to assimilate to their culture.
Anyway, I'm not saying we shouldn't help these refugees, but let's not automatically judge people because they have legitimate concerns that their way of life can be impacted significantly. We see when assimilation doesn't happen that the negative effects are huge (i.e., riots in France, riots in Sweden, terrorism in London, etc...).
The USA wasn't ready for Hurricane Katrina so don't bitch at Budapest becuase they don't have a plan.
The political climate in The UK would not support a large influx Muslim refugees.The already are bent out of shape about the population shift.When we visited a couple months ago,My wife and I both felt there was powder keg brewing just below the surface in England with respect to the growing number of New Middle Eastern folks currently making their home there and the anger and hostility A lot of the blue collar Englishmen have toward them.Its real and palpable and impossible as an outsider to not see.
GF (quoting up there is fucked). That's not what I meant about you thinking we're all liars. I was talking about how you said you didn't expect anyone here to answer your question honestly.
The part about having people in your home is a totally different topic. But you didn't answer my question. Would you not try to help refugees by letting them stay in your home because they are middle eastern? Or would you refuse shelter to Americans in need who you don't know during a crisis too.
American or middle eastern it don't matter, if I can help I do but my help is limited when it's asked to enter my home(been there done that)
Godfather.
This is an honest answer.I would also do the same.Ill donateMy time and money to certain issues,but short of someone I know,like a family member or friend .I'm not opening my home.Not anymore.Not in Today's world. And anyone on here who says they would ,prove it! Just go on down to your local homeless shelter.Im sure there is a family down there you can also help immediately by letting them into your life and home.
That's totally different the refugees from Syria are escaping evil dictator war torn country , the homeless in your state or mine here in NY are not surely you can't compare ...I'd rather help them over there or any refugees for that matter ...
GF (quoting up there is fucked). That's not what I meant about you thinking we're all liars. I was talking about how you said you didn't expect anyone here to answer your question honestly.
The part about having people in your home is a totally different topic. But you didn't answer my question. Would you not try to help refugees by letting them stay in your home because they are middle eastern? Or would you refuse shelter to Americans in need who you don't know during a crisis too.
American or middle eastern it don't matter, if I can help I do but my help is limited when it's asked to enter my home(been there done that)
Godfather.
And anyone on here who says they would ,prove it! Just go on down to your local homeless shelter.Im sure there is a family down there you can also help immediately by letting them into your life and home.
That's a bullshit statement. Do I even have to say Apples and Oranges? Use that common sense you seem to be full of RR.
There are a lot of dynamics going on. We in the USA and Canada think we can understand the plight of the refugees and the border countries in Europe.
The USA and Canada are frickin' huge countries though. A million refugees could come into the USA and 95% of the population wouldn't know.
I think for countries like Italy and Greece that are financially broke and don't have strong governments, it may be difficult for individuals living in those countries to be accepting of refugees because there may not be the resources to take care of them, and let's all admit that there is a lot of terrorism in these countries they are coming from and it is reasonable to have some level of trepidation that all of these refugees aren't coming to assimilate to their culture.
Anyway, I'm not saying we shouldn't help these refugees, but let's not automatically judge people because they have legitimate concerns that their way of life can be impacted significantly. We see when assimilation doesn't happen that the negative effects are huge (i.e., riots in France, riots in Sweden, terrorism in London, etc...).
The USA wasn't ready for Hurricane Katrina so don't bitch at Budapest becuase they don't have a plan.
The political climate in The UK would not support a large influx Muslim refugees.The already are bent out of shape about the population shift.When we visited a couple months ago,My wife and I both felt there was powder keg brewing just below the surface in England with respect to the growing number of New Middle Eastern folks currently making their home there and the anger and hostility A lot of the blue collar Englishmen have toward them.Its real and palpable and impossible as an outsider to not see.
Sorry but this is a bit of stretch. maybe you felt this way because you were preconditioned to feel that way before you went there. I'd like to hear from our Fellow British fans who live in England. To be honest, I've had friends go to England this year, quite a few, and non have said what you said. My one cousin works for an airline company and he's there quite frequently and he's never felt what you felt.
As for anyone who doesn't think our meddling ways didn't cause this, you need to stop lying to yourself. Thats what happens when you funnel weapons to one side in a civil war.
Open your eyes and better yet, open your fucken hearts. These people are your fellow humans. Some of you who frequent AMT embarrass me to think this is how you guys feel towards your fellow man. People say they are helping and you guys come here and attack their efforts or beliefs for it. What a shame. We have such an awesome future ahead for all us humans.
Stay away for a while and just read posts. You learn a lot about someone/some people from sitting back and just reading. A lot.
There are a lot of dynamics going on. We in the USA and Canada think we can understand the plight of the refugees and the border countries in Europe.
The USA and Canada are frickin' huge countries though. A million refugees could come into the USA and 95% of the population wouldn't know.
I think for countries like Italy and Greece that are financially broke and don't have strong governments, it may be difficult for individuals living in those countries to be accepting of refugees because there may not be the resources to take care of them, and let's all admit that there is a lot of terrorism in these countries they are coming from and it is reasonable to have some level of trepidation that all of these refugees aren't coming to assimilate to their culture.
Anyway, I'm not saying we shouldn't help these refugees, but let's not automatically judge people because they have legitimate concerns that their way of life can be impacted significantly. We see when assimilation doesn't happen that the negative effects are huge (i.e., riots in France, riots in Sweden, terrorism in London, etc...).
The USA wasn't ready for Hurricane Katrina so don't bitch at Budapest becuase they don't have a plan.
The political climate in The UK would not support a large influx Muslim refugees.The already are bent out of shape about the population shift.When we visited a couple months ago,My wife and I both felt there was powder keg brewing just below the surface in England with respect to the growing number of New Middle Eastern folks currently making their home there and the anger and hostility A lot of the blue collar Englishmen have toward them.Its real and palpable and impossible as an outsider to not see.
Sorry but this is a bit of stretch. maybe you felt this way because you were preconditioned to feel that way before you went there. I'd like to hear from our Fellow British fans who live in England. To be honest, I've had friends go to England this year, quite a few, and non have said what you said. My one cousin works for an airline company and he's there quite frequently and he's never felt what you felt.
As for anyone who doesn't think our meddling ways didn't cause this, you need to stop lying to yourself. Thats what happens when you funnel weapons to one side in a civil war.
Open your eyes and better yet, open your fucken hearts. These people are your fellow humans. Some of you who frequent AMT embarrass me to think this is how you guys feel towards your fellow man. People say they are helping and you guys come here and attack their efforts or beliefs for it. What a shame. We have such an awesome future ahead for all us humans.
Stay away for a while and just read posts. You learn a lot about someone/some people from sitting back and just reading. A lot.
Thanks again - a lot of useful info and links in one post.
Likewise, dignin. Good and helpful article. Thanks for putting it up.
It's impossible to imagine what these people are going through. The least we can do is acknowledge our part in all this (very well explained by bb- thanks!) become better educated about what's going on and do what we can to help.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
There are a lot of dynamics going on. We in the USA and Canada think we can understand the plight of the refugees and the border countries in Europe.
The USA and Canada are frickin' huge countries though. A million refugees could come into the USA and 95% of the population wouldn't know.
I think for countries like Italy and Greece that are financially broke and don't have strong governments, it may be difficult for individuals living in those countries to be accepting of refugees because there may not be the resources to take care of them, and let's all admit that there is a lot of terrorism in these countries they are coming from and it is reasonable to have some level of trepidation that all of these refugees aren't coming to assimilate to their culture.
Anyway, I'm not saying we shouldn't help these refugees, but let's not automatically judge people because they have legitimate concerns that their way of life can be impacted significantly. We see when assimilation doesn't happen that the negative effects are huge (i.e., riots in France, riots in Sweden, terrorism in London, etc...).
The USA wasn't ready for Hurricane Katrina so don't bitch at Budapest becuase they don't have a plan.
The political climate in The UK would not support a large influx Muslim refugees.The already are bent out of shape about the population shift.When we visited a couple months ago,My wife and I both felt there was powder keg brewing just below the surface in England with respect to the growing number of New Middle Eastern folks currently making their home there and the anger and hostility A lot of the blue collar Englishmen have toward them.Its real and palpable and impossible as an outsider to not see.
Sorry but this is a bit of stretch. maybe you felt this way because you were preconditioned to feel that way before you went there. I'd like to hear from our Fellow British fans who live in England. To be honest, I've had friends go to England this year, quite a few, and non have said what you said. My one cousin works for an airline company and he's there quite frequently and he's never felt what you felt.
As for anyone who doesn't think our meddling ways didn't cause this, you need to stop lying to yourself. Thats what happens when you funnel weapons to one side in a civil war.
Open your eyes and better yet, open your fucken hearts. These people are your fellow humans. Some of you who frequent AMT embarrass me to think this is how you guys feel towards your fellow man. People say they are helping and you guys come here and attack their efforts or beliefs for it. What a shame. We have such an awesome future ahead for all us humans.
Stay away for a while and just read posts. You learn a lot about someone/some people from sitting back and just reading. A lot.
There are a lot of dynamics going on. We in the USA and Canada think we can understand the plight of the refugees and the border countries in Europe.
The USA and Canada are frickin' huge countries though. A million refugees could come into the USA and 95% of the population wouldn't know.
I think for countries like Italy and Greece that are financially broke and don't have strong governments, it may be difficult for individuals living in those countries to be accepting of refugees because there may not be the resources to take care of them, and let's all admit that there is a lot of terrorism in these countries they are coming from and it is reasonable to have some level of trepidation that all of these refugees aren't coming to assimilate to their culture.
Anyway, I'm not saying we shouldn't help these refugees, but let's not automatically judge people because they have legitimate concerns that their way of life can be impacted significantly. We see when assimilation doesn't happen that the negative effects are huge (i.e., riots in France, riots in Sweden, terrorism in London, etc...).
The USA wasn't ready for Hurricane Katrina so don't bitch at Budapest becuase they don't have a plan.
The political climate in The UK would not support a large influx Muslim refugees.The already are bent out of shape about the population shift.When we visited a couple months ago,My wife and I both felt there was powder keg brewing just below the surface in England with respect to the growing number of New Middle Eastern folks currently making their home there and the anger and hostility A lot of the blue collar Englishmen have toward them.Its real and palpable and impossible as an outsider to not see.
Sorry but this is a bit of stretch. maybe you felt this way because you were preconditioned to feel that way before you went there. I'd like to hear from our Fellow British fans who live in England. To be honest, I've had friends go to England this year, quite a few, and non have said what you said. My one cousin works for an airline company and he's there quite frequently and he's never felt what you felt.
As for anyone who doesn't think our meddling ways didn't cause this, you need to stop lying to yourself. Thats what happens when you funnel weapons to one side in a civil war.
Open your eyes and better yet, open your fucken hearts. These people are your fellow humans. Some of you who frequent AMT embarrass me to think this is how you guys feel towards your fellow man. People say they are helping and you guys come here and attack their efforts or beliefs for it. What a shame. We have such an awesome future ahead for all us humans.
Stay away for a while and just read posts. You learn a lot about someone/some people from sitting back and just reading. A lot.
Nart,good to have you back.You were missed.
I can only comment on what we experienced,we talked about this after We returned I forget what thread.But we had at least 4 locals make comments ,out of blue unprovoked about how the population tide was turning and their concern about New Muslim influx into government and they were really tweeted by the amount of high dollar real estate they were moving in and buying up.These are not my feelings,just observations as a tourist.It was evident that there was a heavy conservative Islamic population.You need to be blind to miss that. I too would like to hear some of our UK folks comment on this.
GF (quoting up there is fucked). That's not what I meant about you thinking we're all liars. I was talking about how you said you didn't expect anyone here to answer your question honestly.
The part about having people in your home is a totally different topic. But you didn't answer my question. Would you not try to help refugees by letting them stay in your home because they are middle eastern? Or would you refuse shelter to Americans in need who you don't know during a crisis too.
American or middle eastern it don't matter, if I can help I do but my help is limited when it's asked to enter my home(been there done that)
Godfather.
And anyone on here who says they would ,prove it! Just go on down to your local homeless shelter.Im sure there is a family down there you can also help immediately by letting them into your life and home.
That's a bullshit statement. Do I even have to say Apples and Oranges? Use that common sense you seem to be full of RR.
No it's not dig.Im just saying these same folks who say they would help by opening their homes are talking shit.Thats all.
GF (quoting up there is fucked). That's not what I meant about you thinking we're all liars. I was talking about how you said you didn't expect anyone here to answer your question honestly.
The part about having people in your home is a totally different topic. But you didn't answer my question. Would you not try to help refugees by letting them stay in your home because they are middle eastern? Or would you refuse shelter to Americans in need who you don't know during a crisis too.
American or middle eastern it don't matter, if I can help I do but my help is limited when it's asked to enter my home(been there done that)
Godfather.
And anyone on here who says they would ,prove it! Just go on down to your local homeless shelter.Im sure there is a family down there you can also help immediately by letting them into your life and home.
That's a bullshit statement. Do I even have to say Apples and Oranges? Use that common sense you seem to be full of RR.
No it's not dig.Im just saying these same folks who say they would help by opening their homes are talking shit.Thats all.
So I'm talking bullshit, while I'm preparing my home to welcome refugees? Thank you very much... In Europe there are at the moment two separate political movements going on. On one hand the fear for the invasion of those Islamic refugees, is increasing. On the other hand there are a lot of people really reaching out and helping these refugees, with all means they have. I think it depends on which people you talk to, which opinion you hear... I for one, have to act when I see these kind of human tragedy, helping them however i can, to lift some of the burden and suffering of their shoulders.
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
Good for you Aafke.You sound like a very generous person with a caring heart.I was referring to those hear in the west not in Europe.
I know.... no heart feelings.
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
I feel so upset every time I see/read/hear about this crisis. I can't even imagine how desperate some of those people are - I literally get choked up about it. It's shameful that the world as a whole still hasn't managed to figure out a way to help them. There are enough resources and enough space to help them and find homes and jobs for them, but it would take international cooperation and coordination, and the no world leaders give a fuck. A few countries and people are attempting to step up and do what they can, but it's not nearly enough and they have no support. This crisis, to me, is highlighting how selfish the world is.
Of course I do not expect just those European countries bordering on crossings to deal with it all. I feel terrible for their situation as well. I'm sure it's a real rock and a hard place for thise who aren't just nastily angry and defensive. It's sad to think of the dilemma that puts some good people in.
What an awful, depressing clusterfuck. There as we're now more refugees in the world right at this very second as there were during all of the Second World War.
Why don't you uproot your life and go help?
The answer you give is likely the same as everyone else who is too "selfish to help"
what all this means.. is war, the US will be asked to help and we will because that's what we do, you can say we do it for oil but after the body count is finished will it really matter ? people will depend on the bleeding hearts of America to come to the rescue...they always do, just out of curiosity how many of you would be willing send your loved ones off to another war ?...that has to be fought with political correctness in mind...meaning no colleteral damage...meaning the war will never be finished because people will scream and whine about the innocent victims of war and demand a pull out. cold hearted or not it a real possibality, personally I hope the US does not get involved...at all !
Godfather.
A true humanitarian.
everybody wants to stop the bad guys but nobody wants to do what it takes to get it done.
Godfather.
Speaking truth!! I don't see anyone here getting off their ass and doing jack to help. Crying don't change a thing.
It is horrible to read the news from Germany at the moment. The refugee influx has given a certain group of people who are very hostile towards foreigners new forums and support from all kinds of sides. It is especially bad in one state, Saxonia. People are gathering and riot in front of the refugee camps, show their stupidity, intolerance and ignorance on all channels of the social media. It reminds a lot of stuff that happened in the past, and it is horrifying to think about what happens next. I try to catch up with events, but am not always up on everything. From what I am reading, there are certain locations where camps have been set up without getting the vote of the people who live there. The East has a certain history with being hostile to foreigners, oddly enough being an area of Germany where not a lot of them were present for a long time. But it is also happening in the Western part of the country. Not everybody of those rioters would be called a Neonazi, but the tendencies in their thinking and in their words are there. The "concerned citizens", as they have been labelled, try to bring their points of intolerance across by claiming rassist statements that cannot or are not true or to be feared in the least, stating that they are "just concerned". Then the angry mob leads the way and terrible things are happening. It is good to see that this is not something that is everywhere. It is good to see people stepping up, celebrities, politicians, regular people, by having "welcome refugees" fests, donating actions and generally speaking up against this abhorrent display of hate.
It is really sickening to me that racism is growing because those sick fucks see a lot of people, including children, who are desperate and in need. Imagine looking at them and getting angry at them. Just awful. These are evil people who deserve to be excommunicated by all who are decent.
People are evil and must be murdered. Makes no sense. Two wrongs don't make a right
just out of curriosity, how many of you would take some of these families into your home ? I mean really, how many ? I know some of you would say yes but really think about it before you answer, do you trust strangers with your belongings or your kid's ?, I don't expect an honest answer on here but while your at home or work think about that for a while, are you willing to take strangers (1 or 2 families) into your home with your family ?
Godfather.
If the brown people scare you Godfather, you can still open up your heart and give cold hard cash to the cause. It would be very welcome.
brown people scar me ? cold hard cash ?....well my wife is brown and I wouldn't want to piss her off, cold hard cash to who ? the red cross ? or one of those other shady money grabbing charity fronts ?...if you think the US wont be pouring cash into this one way or another your not thinking and I'd be willing to bet the people that need it never see a dime in the way of help.
Godfather.
The Red Cross is shady?
WOW. Do some research before speaking! There are more cases than we can count of Red Cross being shady. As shit.
It is horrible to read the news from Germany at the moment. The refugee influx has given a certain group of people who are very hostile towards foreigners new forums and support from all kinds of sides. It is especially bad in one state, Saxonia. People are gathering and riot in front of the refugee camps, show their stupidity, intolerance and ignorance on all channels of the social media. It reminds a lot of stuff that happened in the past, and it is horrifying to think about what happens next. I try to catch up with events, but am not always up on everything. From what I am reading, there are certain locations where camps have been set up without getting the vote of the people who live there. The East has a certain history with being hostile to foreigners, oddly enough being an area of Germany where not a lot of them were present for a long time. But it is also happening in the Western part of the country. Not everybody of those rioters would be called a Neonazi, but the tendencies in their thinking and in their words are there. The "concerned citizens", as they have been labelled, try to bring their points of intolerance across by claiming rassist statements that cannot or are not true or to be feared in the least, stating that they are "just concerned". Then the angry mob leads the way and terrible things are happening. It is good to see that this is not something that is everywhere. It is good to see people stepping up, celebrities, politicians, regular people, by having "welcome refugees" fests, donating actions and generally speaking up against this abhorrent display of hate.
It is really sickening to me that racism is growing because those sick fucks see a lot of people, including children, who are desperate and in need. Imagine looking at them and getting angry at them. Just awful. These are evil people who deserve to be excommunicated by all who are decent.
People are evil and must be murdered. Makes no sense. Two wrongs don't make a right
Wait- do you really believe the word "excommunicated" is a synonym for "murdered"? No, dear, excommunication does not involve bludgeoning someone to death with a chalice.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
GF (quoting up there is fucked). That's not what I meant about you thinking we're all liars. I was talking about how you said you didn't expect anyone here to answer your question honestly.
The part about having people in your home is a totally different topic. But you didn't answer my question. Would you not try to help refugees by letting them stay in your home because they are middle eastern? Or would you refuse shelter to Americans in need who you don't know during a crisis too.
American or middle eastern it don't matter, if I can help I do but my help is limited when it's asked to enter my home(been there done that)
Godfather.
And anyone on here who says they would ,prove it! Just go on down to your local homeless shelter.Im sure there is a family down there you can also help immediately by letting them into your life and home.
That's a bullshit statement. Do I even have to say Apples and Oranges? Use that common sense you seem to be full of RR.
To be clear, you're saying Syrian migrants are above and beyond a better choice to have in your home than ny state homeless children? Apples to oranges? Pretty bold claim, that our children are that much worse than them.
There are a lot of dynamics going on. We in the USA and Canada think we can understand the plight of the refugees and the border countries in Europe.
The USA and Canada are frickin' huge countries though. A million refugees could come into the USA and 95% of the population wouldn't know.
I think for countries like Italy and Greece that are financially broke and don't have strong governments, it may be difficult for individuals living in those countries to be accepting of refugees because there may not be the resources to take care of them, and let's all admit that there is a lot of terrorism in these countries they are coming from and it is reasonable to have some level of trepidation that all of these refugees aren't coming to assimilate to their culture.
Anyway, I'm not saying we shouldn't help these refugees, but let's not automatically judge people because they have legitimate concerns that their way of life can be impacted significantly. We see when assimilation doesn't happen that the negative effects are huge (i.e., riots in France, riots in Sweden, terrorism in London, etc...).
The USA wasn't ready for Hurricane Katrina so don't bitch at Budapest becuase they don't have a plan.
The political climate in The UK would not support a large influx Muslim refugees.The already are bent out of shape about the population shift.When we visited a couple months ago,My wife and I both felt there was powder keg brewing just below the surface in England with respect to the growing number of New Middle Eastern folks currently making their home there and the anger and hostility A lot of the blue collar Englishmen have toward them.Its real and palpable and impossible as an outsider to not see.
Sorry but this is a bit of stretch. maybe you felt this way because you were preconditioned to feel that way before you went there. I'd like to hear from our Fellow British fans who live in England. To be honest, I've had friends go to England this year, quite a few, and non have said what you said. My one cousin works for an airline company and he's there quite frequently and he's never felt what you felt.
As for anyone who doesn't think our meddling ways didn't cause this, you need to stop lying to yourself. Thats what happens when you funnel weapons to one side in a civil war.
Open your eyes and better yet, open your fucken hearts. These people are your fellow humans. Some of you who frequent AMT embarrass me to think this is how you guys feel towards your fellow man. People say they are helping and you guys come here and attack their efforts or beliefs for it. What a shame. We have such an awesome future ahead for all us humans.
Stay away for a while and just read posts. You learn a lot about someone/some people from sitting back and just reading. A lot.
It is horrible to read the news from Germany at the moment. The refugee influx has given a certain group of people who are very hostile towards foreigners new forums and support from all kinds of sides. It is especially bad in one state, Saxonia. People are gathering and riot in front of the refugee camps, show their stupidity, intolerance and ignorance on all channels of the social media. It reminds a lot of stuff that happened in the past, and it is horrifying to think about what happens next. I try to catch up with events, but am not always up on everything. From what I am reading, there are certain locations where camps have been set up without getting the vote of the people who live there. The East has a certain history with being hostile to foreigners, oddly enough being an area of Germany where not a lot of them were present for a long time. But it is also happening in the Western part of the country. Not everybody of those rioters would be called a Neonazi, but the tendencies in their thinking and in their words are there. The "concerned citizens", as they have been labelled, try to bring their points of intolerance across by claiming rassist statements that cannot or are not true or to be feared in the least, stating that they are "just concerned". Then the angry mob leads the way and terrible things are happening. It is good to see that this is not something that is everywhere. It is good to see people stepping up, celebrities, politicians, regular people, by having "welcome refugees" fests, donating actions and generally speaking up against this abhorrent display of hate.
It is really sickening to me that racism is growing because those sick fucks see a lot of people, including children, who are desperate and in need. Imagine looking at them and getting angry at them. Just awful. These are evil people who deserve to be excommunicated by all who are decent.
People are evil and must be murdered. Makes no sense. Two wrongs don't make a right
Wait- do you really believe the word "excommunicated" is a synonym for "murdered"? No, dear, excommunication does not involve bludgeoning someone to death with a chalice.
Thought it said executed. I can admit when I'm wrong.
I feel so upset every time I see/read/hear about this crisis. I can't even imagine how desperate some of those people are - I literally get choked up about it. It's shameful that the world as a whole still hasn't managed to figure out a way to help them. There are enough resources and enough space to help them and find homes and jobs for them, but it would take international cooperation and coordination, and the no world leaders give a fuck. A few countries and people are attempting to step up and do what they can, but it's not nearly enough and they have no support. This crisis, to me, is highlighting how selfish the world is.
Of course I do not expect just those European countries bordering on crossings to deal with it all. I feel terrible for their situation as well. I'm sure it's a real rock and a hard place for thise who aren't just nastily angry and defensive. It's sad to think of the dilemma that puts some good people in.
What an awful, depressing clusterfuck. There as we're now more refugees in the world right at this very second as there were during all of the Second World War.
Why don't you uproot your life and go help?
The answer you give is likely the same as everyone else who is too "selfish to help"
Aside from your religious beliefs I agree with your above statements. I myself am not personally in a position to uproot my life and go help/sponsor a refugee. I am also aware enough to realize that my donation to the cause means fuck all.
So in the meantime I continue to see this current event unfold before my eyes (via press) all the while awaiting for the next "human crisis"
There are walkers and talkers. I am doing fuck all about this crisis because I don't know where to begin. Donating money means/does nothing except stroke the ego of bleeding heart first worlders.
I feel so upset every time I see/read/hear about this crisis. I can't even imagine how desperate some of those people are - I literally get choked up about it. It's shameful that the world as a whole still hasn't managed to figure out a way to help them. There are enough resources and enough space to help them and find homes and jobs for them, but it would take international cooperation and coordination, and the no world leaders give a fuck. A few countries and people are attempting to step up and do what they can, but it's not nearly enough and they have no support. This crisis, to me, is highlighting how selfish the world is.
Of course I do not expect just those European countries bordering on crossings to deal with it all. I feel terrible for their situation as well. I'm sure it's a real rock and a hard place for thise who aren't just nastily angry and defensive. It's sad to think of the dilemma that puts some good people in.
What an awful, depressing clusterfuck. There as we're now more refugees in the world right at this very second as there were during all of the Second World War.
Why don't you uproot your life and go help?
The answer you give is likely the same as everyone else who is too "selfish to help"
I am also aware enough to realize that my donation to the cause means fuck all.
Donating money means/does nothing except stroke the ego of bleeding heart first worlders.
Whatever helps you all sleep at night. This, to no surprise, puts you in lot with Just A Girl and Godfather. You guys would make quite the crew.
I feel so upset every time I see/read/hear about this crisis. I can't even imagine how desperate some of those people are - I literally get choked up about it. It's shameful that the world as a whole still hasn't managed to figure out a way to help them. There are enough resources and enough space to help them and find homes and jobs for them, but it would take international cooperation and coordination, and the no world leaders give a fuck. A few countries and people are attempting to step up and do what they can, but it's not nearly enough and they have no support. This crisis, to me, is highlighting how selfish the world is.
Of course I do not expect just those European countries bordering on crossings to deal with it all. I feel terrible for their situation as well. I'm sure it's a real rock and a hard place for thise who aren't just nastily angry and defensive. It's sad to think of the dilemma that puts some good people in.
What an awful, depressing clusterfuck. There as we're now more refugees in the world right at this very second as there were during all of the Second World War.
Why don't you uproot your life and go help?
The answer you give is likely the same as everyone else who is too "selfish to help"
I am also aware enough to realize that my donation to the cause means fuck all.
Donating money means/does nothing except stroke the ego of bleeding heart first worlders.
Whatever helps you all sleep at night. This, to no surprise, puts you in lot with Just A Girl and Godfather. You guys would make quite the crew.
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And anyone on here who says they would ,prove it! Just go on down to your local homeless shelter.Im sure there is a family down there you can also help immediately by letting them into your life and home.
http://mashable.com/2015/09/03/refugee-crisis-how-to-help/#:eyJzIjoiZiIsImkiOiJfaGUweXpuMzB2cWhoNTRuciJ9
As for anyone who doesn't think our meddling ways didn't cause this, you need to stop lying to yourself. Thats what happens when you funnel weapons to one side in a civil war.
Open your eyes and better yet, open your fucken hearts. These people are your fellow humans. Some of you who frequent AMT embarrass me to think this is how you guys feel towards your fellow man. People say they are helping and you guys come here and attack their efforts or beliefs for it. What a shame. We have such an awesome future ahead for all us humans.
Stay away for a while and just read posts. You learn a lot about someone/some people from sitting back and just reading. A lot.
It's impossible to imagine what these people are going through. The least we can do is acknowledge our part in all this (very well explained by bb- thanks!) become better educated about what's going on and do what we can to help.
I can only comment on what we experienced,we talked about this after We returned I forget what thread.But we had at least 4 locals make comments ,out of blue unprovoked about how the population tide was turning and their concern about New Muslim influx into government and they were really tweeted by the amount of high dollar real estate they were moving in and buying up.These are not my feelings,just observations as a tourist.It was evident that there was a heavy conservative Islamic population.You need to be blind to miss that.
I too would like to hear some of our UK folks comment on this.
In Europe there are at the moment two separate political movements going on. On one hand the fear for the invasion of those Islamic refugees, is increasing. On the other hand there are a lot of people really reaching out and helping these refugees, with all means they have. I think it depends on which people you talk to, which opinion you hear...
I for one, have to act when I see these kind of human tragedy, helping them however i can, to lift some of the burden and suffering of their shoulders.
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
The answer you give is likely the same as everyone else who is too "selfish to help"
I myself am not personally in a position to uproot my life and go help/sponsor a refugee.
I am also aware enough to realize that my donation to the cause means fuck all.
So in the meantime I continue to see this current event unfold before my eyes (via press) all the while awaiting for the next "human crisis"
There are walkers and talkers.
I am doing fuck all about this crisis because I don't know where to begin.
Donating money means/does nothing except stroke the ego of bleeding heart first worlders.