Migrants rushing Europian Borders
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the rail stations were closed down to stop the influx of people trying to get to Germany. I see big problems with this.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/09/01/europe-searches-vainly-for-answers-as-migrant-crisis-grows/
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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/09/01/europe-searches-vainly-for-answers-as-migrant-crisis-grows/
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These are asylum seekers; refugees...
Over 2500 of them have died around the Mediterranean so far this year.
This is what happens when we destabilize entire regions....
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/8/31/preserving_borders_vs_preserving_people_death
Problem is, some of those people are super fucking nuts and evil, and unfortunately, fairly organized.
Of course I do not expect just those European countries bordering on crossings to deal with it all. I feel terrible for their situation as well. I'm sure it's a real rock and a hard place for thise who aren't just nastily angry and defensive. It's sad to think of the dilemma that puts some good people in.
What an awful, depressing clusterfuck. There as we're now more refugees in the world right at this very second as there were during all of the Second World War.
Drowned,you say "we" destabilized the region.Assad and IsIs is doing a fine job of it without our help.You can't put this one on the west.
No mention of foreign intervention or the results of west-waged war?
Afghanistan and Syria are the two major refugee source countries - two countries in which the US/western powers are heavily involved. Afghanistan is not considered an arab spring nation, and we should take a huge part of the blame for their plight. Syria....well, you've seen my opinions on what is happening there. It hasn't been about crushing a protest movement there for years.
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/iceland_could_only_take_in_50_syrian_refugees_10000_icelanders_20150901
Canada is pathetic when it comes to granting asylum or accepting refugees. our government was denied the ability to turn away refugees based on source country by our supreme court this summer.
you can say we do it for oil but after the body count is finished will it really matter ? people will depend on the bleeding hearts of America to come to the rescue...they always do, just out of curiosity how many of you would be willing send your loved ones off to another war ?...that has to be fought with political correctness in mind...meaning no colleteral damage...meaning the war will never be finished because people will scream and whine about the innocent victims of war and demand a pull out. cold hearted or not it a real possibality, personally I hope the US does not get involved...at all !
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Tempted to apologise for that but not going to
Geopolitical influence has a 3 year half life now?
It was KNOWN from before the invasion that the region would be destabilized and that there was no way for the US to be in and out and leave the place in peace. There are many (including myself) who believe destabilization was the plan...and thats because there were think tanks full of revolving door politician/oligarchs suggesting it as the best way for the US to retain hegemony.
I guess you don't read my posts or you don't believe anything I share here....I've posted a million articles showing that ISIS has been funded, armed, reinforced and trained covertly or overtly by the US and their allies.
The Syria situation has been in the works for decades, with planning starting in earnest almost a decade ago. http://www.globalresearch.ca/timeline-of-military-intelligence-operation-u-s-had-planned-syrian-civilian-catastrophe-since-2007/5348052
Even if you believe the 'official account' of how Syria got to where it is today: it started as a peaceful protest .....eventually, fighting broke out and Assad went all homicidal tyrant. Then ISIS began to stream in from a broken Iraq with the aim of overthrowing Assad, using arms the US had given Iraq.
That's the (bullshit) official story. Even after watering down the truth to the point of lies, the US has culpability in Syria.
How are Assad and ISIS destabilizing Afghanistan (the main source of refugees for years prior to last), Libya, Yemen, Somalia etc?
Its all our fault.We are evil.We are the cause of all the worlds problems.No one else in the Middle East or North Africa is to blame.The area is a cesspool of violence.All caused by money Hungry fat Americans.Fucked up radical Islamic fundamentalists really aren't a problem it's all the media fault.
Do I have this right? Because blame always goes one way on this subject.Im at least willing to acknowledge we do hold some responsibility for destabilization of the reason.But by no means all.It would be nice to see the same from you guys.Wheres the critical assessment of the the other destabilizing governments and entities?
We can decry radicalism and opportunistic tyrants and warlords who take advantage of vulnerable people. What does that do? What difference will it make? We can't influence the idiots halfway across the world.
But here, in America, we can vote to influence our government, and ultimately our government's influence on the idiots across the world.
That's why you can be damn sure that people like myself and Drowned will do our best to make sure that people know what share of the blame our government holds, so that we can hope to elect politicians who won't drag us into the next boneheaded conflict.
He is a much, much better candidate than I ever would have guessed, and he couldn't be any worse than Hillary.
I worry that he would jump into war with Iran, or a proxy war against China if the hawks came at him. Would he buck the establishment, or fall into his brother's trap?
Do any other countries overthrow governments or work to do so thru proxies? It happens, but extremely rarely, and if any other country does so it is almost exclusively a neighbour and the result of a border conflict of some sort...or a reaction to provocations that may or may not have had western involvement. It's not a government on the other side of the world who poses no threat.
Tell me who you're talking about; give me an example and I'll give you an honest assessment.
Americans seem to take this so personally....this isn't an attack on your personal integrity, rr. This is reality: it's macro-gangsterism. Your country is the sole superpower. No military competition whatsoever. It's not even close. When a country wants to fuck with another country, they ok it with the US. They don't have the power to fuck with the other country, they ask for US support (at a cost). They do so without US support, they risk incurring the wrath of the sole superpower. If the nations in question have any dealings with the US (which most do in some form), the balance cannot be upset unless it somehow benefits the US. The U.S. Also holds enormous sway due to their purchasing power (trade threats). It's just the way it is man! If you read the article I posted, and followed the links it provided, you'd see that the radicals you speak of have been used as a means to an end BY THE US. Divide and conquer. Yes they're a problem but the problem is exacerbated by U.S. - Allied support.
And yes, the media is largely at fault because they frame the narrative of war as humanitarian, or criticize mostly from a partisan approach, or refuse to rock the boat and lose a press pass or whatever.
AQ,IS and The Taliban have greatly added to the refugee issue in the countries they operate.
Gambs,I really want to see a JEB/ Kasich ticket.I think although he won't bad mouth his brother.Jeb isn't Cheneys puppet and will work across the isle.He is a bright guy although a little white bread he's a moderate who has to talk shit in the election cycle.It is a very interesting race.I believe Hillary is done.
AQ was a US creation too, and for similar reason - to fight for US interests.
The US government gave $43 million in aid to the Taliban in 2000 and $132 million in 2001. In negotiations for a pipeline deal, they were told “You either accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we bury you under a carpet of bombs.”....
Egypt...Mubarak was a US puppet for how many decades? They supported him till the bitter end. Did you know the US just resumed supplying arms (heavy arms - tanks and F16s), and billions in aid to Egypt? Of course they did so while 'expressing concerns' over al-sisi's abysmal human rights record. There are US fingerprints all over that country.
I agree with gambs that we absolutely must hold those committing the violence accountable. But in many cases they are not held responsible because they are our allies, or because they have common goals. They are only held responsible if their actions do not align with US interests. It benefits the US to prop up dictators because they can control their populations with greater ease than a democratic leader can. If a dictator won't play ball, we take them out. Do you honestly think the US gets involved in these places out of the kindness of it's heart?
What bothers me also is the difference in how many refuges the countries are taking in. Some countries hardly take in any refuges and the weight gets heavy for others with possible problems to follow.
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Also, the media needs to stop calling these people "migrants"