Migrants rushing Europian Borders

rr165892

That's solid Bri

JUST A GIRL

brianlux said:

Saw this on FB with he heading "Hungarians waiting by the highway with food to give to the refugees who will arrive on foot."

Ugh. Always having to take credit for doing good. I find it more respectful for people who do it and ask nothing in return or don't want any photos or recognition. Taking your photo with a basket of bananas just makes me want to puke.

Hopefully these "migrants" don't Rob and beat her for those bananas and her camera.

rgambs

JUST A GIRL said:

brianlux said:

Saw this on FB with he heading "Hungarians waiting by the highway with food to give to the refugees who will arrive on foot."

Ugh. Always having to take credit for doing good. I find it more respectful for people who do it and ask nothing in return or don't want any photos or recognition. Taking your photo with a basket of bananas just makes me want to puke.

Hopefully these "migrants" don't Rob and beat her for those bananas and her camera.

Sure as hell better than doing nothing and criticising those who do.
Does it make you feel inadequate or something?
You talk about "doing God's work" when some bigot tries to disenfranchise gay couples and then shit on these people who are very literally following the words of Jesus because they let someone take a picture of them?
Typical Christian bullshit. Self-centered, judgemental, hypocritical, moronic dogmas.

Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh

JUST A GIRL said:

brianlux said:

Saw this on FB with he heading "Hungarians waiting by the highway with food to give to the refugees who will arrive on foot."

Ugh. Always having to take credit for doing good. I find it more respectful for people who do it and ask nothing in return or don't want any photos or recognition. Taking your photo with a basket of bananas just makes me want to puke.

Hopefully these "migrants" don't Rob and beat her for those bananas and her camera.

Man what happend to you in life that you shit on all positivity here and stir up absolute bullshit conspiracies.

brianlux

JUST A GIRL said:

brianlux said:

Saw this on FB with he heading "Hungarians waiting by the highway with food to give to the refugees who will arrive on foot."

Ugh. Always having to take credit for doing good. I find it more respectful for people who do it and ask nothing in return or don't want any photos or recognition. Taking your photo with a basket of bananas just makes me want to puke.

Hopefully these "migrants" don't Rob and beat her for those bananas and her camera.

Are you enjoying the negative attention you so fervently seek?

dignin

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dignin

JUST A GIRL said:

brianlux said:

Saw this on FB with he heading "Hungarians waiting by the highway with food to give to the refugees who will arrive on foot."

Ugh. Always having to take credit for doing good. I find it more respectful for people who do it and ask nothing in return or don't want any photos or recognition. Taking your photo with a basket of bananas just makes me want to puke.

Hopefully these "migrants" don't Rob and beat her for those bananas and her camera.

JUST A GIRL

No trolling. This is what happens sometimes. We're talking about migrants from Syria. They aren't like Americans.

For reference

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hteEc2Y-2EI

hedonist

rgambs said:

Typical Christian bullshit. Self-centered, judgemental, hypocritical, moronic dogmas.

Just typical bullshit, gambo.

Seemingly-intentional too.

Some odd MO's around here lately, but I look at this way - welcome to those who show their character and heart, or lack thereof. Would rather the exposure be there than not, no matter the outcome.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

JUST A GIRL said:

brianlux said:

Saw this on FB with he heading "Hungarians waiting by the highway with food to give to the refugees who will arrive on foot."

Ugh. Always having to take credit for doing good. I find it more respectful for people who do it and ask nothing in return or don't want any photos or recognition. Taking your photo with a basket of bananas just makes me want to puke.

Hopefully these "migrants" don't Rob and beat her for those bananas and her camera.

Geezuz.

Are you sure these people did this for publicity? One can't be too sure from the photo, but they look pretty down to earth and humble to me.

As RG asked... aren't you a god fearing person? Don't you believe there's a man floating in the sky somewhere that is omnipresent and makes judgements on everyone? What do you think the big fella thinks of you being so pessimistic? You better change your attitude or your soul might not get exclusive access to heaven where all those other billion souls are chilling in right now.

mookeywrench

JUST A GIRL said:

Ugh. Always having to take credit for doing good. I find it more respectful for people who do it and ask nothing in return or don't want any photos or recognition...Taking your photo with a basket of bananas just makes me want to puke.

Hopefully these "migrants" don't Rob and beat her for those bananas and her camera.

Bentleyspop

JUST A GIRL said:

brianlux said:

Saw this on FB with he heading "Hungarians waiting by the highway with food to give to the refugees who will arrive on foot."

Ugh. Always having to take credit for doing good. I find it more respectful for people who do it and ask nothing in return or don't want any photos or recognition. Taking your photo with a basket of bananas just makes me want to puke.

Hopefully these "migrants" don't Rob and beat her for those bananas and her camera.

Spoken like the true christian you claim to be

brianlux

JUST A GIRL said:

No trolling. This is what happens sometimes. We're talking about migrants from Syria. They aren't like Americans.

For reference

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hteEc2Y-2EI

What the hell does this have to do with anything we're talking about here?

As for trolling, no I don't believe you're trolling. I like trolls. Like this cool guy

Moonpig

rr165892 said:

Moonpig said:

callen said:

Going to sound cold but if Europe and or Canada or the US just openly accepted all these folks more and more would come and countries would go broke, it's citizens would revolt and we would have a major mess.

Going to sound cold, but if Europe, Canada, and the US didn't drop bombs on these people as well as fund both sides of nearly every bloody conflict in the middle east then perhaps there would not be the scale of crisis we are now facing.

Bomb their country back to the stone age and then criticise them for wanting to be part of the 21st century.

Like a broken fuckin record

nothing to add then?

I love how some people here seem to think this crisis began 3 years ago, independent of any outside factors, millions of people just woke up one morning and said to themselves "fuck it, you know what, lets up stakes and walk from one continent to another, take a risky as fuck boat ride with a high casualty rate, just so we can rob some social welfare, and flip burgers off the books for a living."

Like a broken fuckin record indeed

rr165892

Moonpig said:

rr165892 said:

Moonpig said:

callen said:

Going to sound cold but if Europe and or Canada or the US just openly accepted all these folks more and more would come and countries would go broke, it's citizens would revolt and we would have a major mess.

Going to sound cold, but if Europe, Canada, and the US didn't drop bombs on these people as well as fund both sides of nearly every bloody conflict in the middle east then perhaps there would not be the scale of crisis we are now facing.

Bomb their country back to the stone age and then criticise them for wanting to be part of the 21st century.

Like a broken fuckin record

nothing to add then?

I love how some people here seem to think this crisis began 3 years ago, independent of any outside factors, millions of people just woke up one morning and said to themselves "fuck it, you know what, lets up stakes and walk from one continent to another, take a risky as fuck boat ride with a high casualty rate, just so we can rob some social welfare, and flip burgers off the books for a living."

Like a broken fuckin record indeed

WTF are you talking about ?

So you think I'm the one with the myopic view? The region was and is a shit show wether we are destabilizing it or not.It has been for 1000s of years.
My comment which originally was part of a conversation with someone else is Syria is in the middle of a civil war.The fleeing refugees are fleeing Assads govt who is exterminating them.That you cannot hang on US.But yet you still need to deflect blame.I get it.
And if your going to talk shit,at least be accurate.Ive not once made little of the plight of the refugees.Dont confuse calling out hypocritical board members with making light of the struggles of those innocent people.

Godfather.

rr165892 said:

Moonpig said:

rr165892 said:

Moonpig said:

callen said:

Going to sound cold but if Europe and or Canada or the US just openly accepted all these folks more and more would come and countries would go broke, it's citizens would revolt and we would have a major mess.

Going to sound cold, but if Europe, Canada, and the US didn't drop bombs on these people as well as fund both sides of nearly every bloody conflict in the middle east then perhaps there would not be the scale of crisis we are now facing.

Bomb their country back to the stone age and then criticise them for wanting to be part of the 21st century.

Like a broken fuckin record

nothing to add then?

I love how some people here seem to think this crisis began 3 years ago, independent of any outside factors, millions of people just woke up one morning and said to themselves "fuck it, you know what, lets up stakes and walk from one continent to another, take a risky as fuck boat ride with a high casualty rate, just so we can rob some social welfare, and flip burgers off the books for a living."

Like a broken fuckin record indeed

WTF are you talking about ?

So you think I'm the one with the myopic view? The region was and is a shit show wether we are destabilizing it or not.It has been for 1000s of years.
My comment which originally was part of a conversation with someone else is Syria is in the middle of a civil war.The fleeing refugees are fleeing Assads govt who is exterminating them.That you cannot hang on US.But yet you still need to deflect blame.I get it.
And if your going to talk shit,at least be accurate.Ive not once made little of the plight of the refugees.Dont confuse calling out hypocritical board members with making light of the struggles of those innocent people.

that's moonpigs MO,


Godfather.

benjs

rr165892 said:

Moonpig said:

rr165892 said:

Moonpig said:

callen said:

Going to sound cold but if Europe and or Canada or the US just openly accepted all these folks more and more would come and countries would go broke, it's citizens would revolt and we would have a major mess.

Going to sound cold, but if Europe, Canada, and the US didn't drop bombs on these people as well as fund both sides of nearly every bloody conflict in the middle east then perhaps there would not be the scale of crisis we are now facing.

Bomb their country back to the stone age and then criticise them for wanting to be part of the 21st century.

Like a broken fuckin record

nothing to add then?

I love how some people here seem to think this crisis began 3 years ago, independent of any outside factors, millions of people just woke up one morning and said to themselves "fuck it, you know what, lets up stakes and walk from one continent to another, take a risky as fuck boat ride with a high casualty rate, just so we can rob some social welfare, and flip burgers off the books for a living."

Like a broken fuckin record indeed

WTF are you talking about ?

So you think I'm the one with the myopic view? The region was and is a shit show wether we are destabilizing it or not.It has been for 1000s of years.
My comment which originally was part of a conversation with someone else is Syria is in the middle of a civil war.The fleeing refugees are fleeing Assads govt who is exterminating them.That you cannot hang on US.But yet you still need to deflect blame.I get it.
And if your going to talk shit,at least be accurate.Ive not once made little of the plight of the refugees.Dont confuse calling out hypocritical board members with making light of the struggles of those innocent people.

I think there are some people misinterpreting each other here.

Callen's comment: totally agree. The reality is, we can pretend all we like, but to be birthed in the USA vs being birthed in Syria would lend you a very different life, from a probabilistic point of view. Were America's doors always open to refugees, without any checks and balances (double-checking the validity of the refugee's claims), you'd better believe that there'd be an influx of refugees to a point where the quality of life in America would suffer. This would in fact go against what a government's prime objective is: to secure the quality of life for its citizens first. The only time this should change is should the citizens collectively decide that they are willing to sacrifice some of their quality of life, in order that its government should act on their behalves to pursue humanitarian initiatives.

Moonpig's comments: this is a sad reality, intervention at the least contributed to, and at the most caused this refugee issue. Frankly, however, this comment is absolutely useless! It offers NOTHING of an alternative solution for a problem, and merely throws blame. It's one thing to acknowledge that the Western world is responsible for destabilizing the region, but it's just hate-mongering until you can use this to help rally people to band together and support initiative X. If we followed Moonpig's trajectory, he'd be content when this thread has people all agreeing "yeah, this is all America's fault!" But of course, there'd still be this tiny refugee problem that we still hadn't put our personal seals of approval behind any sort of plan or immigration policy to support to negate or minimize this issue: and I was under the impression that THAT is why we're here discussing.

Rr: I'm really not sure I understand your position here. My closest guess is that you're empathetic to the plight of the refugees, but don't believe there is a global obligation to the world to blindly take them in. Instead, you put the onus on the region to work on its own stability. Is that close? (I mean no disrespect from this, I'd honestly just like to understand your position more fully).

pdalowsky

There were a few comments about the situation on the ground in the UK.

To answer the direct question, that will very much depend where you go and whom you mix with. Id be surprised to garner that perception from London, however up North where I live I know that sentiment is very real. Its not openly revealed like a badge on your sleeve type thing but there is definitely a negative approach to immigration and a negative approach to integration up here. Its sad, and mind numbing that despite how far we have all come, society is still fragmented into groups of people. In Yorkshire where I reside, it is clear to see areas that are predominantly Chinese based, Jewish, Muslim, sheikh, African, etc, and there is despite the overwhelming message that we are a united country, a grouping of these ethnicities - rather than a 21 st century integration.

So when the ISIS news started to hit and the shocks started to come, there was a lot of street chatter that was rather anti Muslim in its tone. The public perception was overwhelmingly that those cretins represented the Muslim faith. It doesn't take much for the morons in the uk society to united over a misconceived patriotism, and the various fronts like the Britain first, BNP etc came to the forefront on social media forcing the divide a little wider. People often act like sheep, and unsubstantiated facts and stories and ill informed concepts were spreading like wildlife with the simply press of the 'share' button. That only reinforces the ignorance, and the small minded ignorant voices into being something that is doubtlessly correct. And so the cycle continues.

The fact remains here, that the vast majority of the people are level headed and treat people as humans, but there is without doubt an undertone to society - one steeped in mistrust, preconception and age old racism. It doesn't take long to find such a conversation if you wanted to, or find huge debates on social media from the safety of their keyboards. On the most part people live alongside here very nicely here, although the term integration is very much badly used. And Racism will continue to be alive and well, people are judged on their looks, nationality, and in accordance with whatever the media are feeding them that day (whatever the days agenda is). But to think we can get a sense of this racism palpably on the streets is in my view a bit of a stretch.

I don't know what the answer is or whether we will truly eradicate it, but I know with increasingly diverse populations if we don't soon find a way, things wont end well in the long term.

I know its a simplistic view but people are people. That's all.

pdalowsky

JUST A GIRL said:

brianlux said:

Saw this on FB with he heading "Hungarians waiting by the highway with food to give to the refugees who will arrive on foot."

Ugh. Always having to take credit for doing good. I find it more respectful for people who do it and ask nothing in return or don't want any photos or recognition. Taking your photo with a basket of bananas just makes me want to puke.

Hopefully these "migrants" don't Rob and beat her for those bananas and her camera.

WOW.

Is this for real? Are you genuinely not trolling this forum?

Have you considered this? That there are reporters in Hungary whom are covering the developments and reporting on the day to day happenings and came across this lady and took her photo? That she didn't actively solicit it, but happened to be minding her own business?

oh no its has to be outward publicity stunt to boost an ego?

get a grip.

dignin

benjs said:

rr165892 said:

Moonpig said:

rr165892 said:

Moonpig said:

callen said:

Going to sound cold but if Europe and or Canada or the US just openly accepted all these folks more and more would come and countries would go broke, it's citizens would revolt and we would have a major mess.

Going to sound cold, but if Europe, Canada, and the US didn't drop bombs on these people as well as fund both sides of nearly every bloody conflict in the middle east then perhaps there would not be the scale of crisis we are now facing.

Bomb their country back to the stone age and then criticise them for wanting to be part of the 21st century.

Like a broken fuckin record

nothing to add then?

I love how some people here seem to think this crisis began 3 years ago, independent of any outside factors, millions of people just woke up one morning and said to themselves "fuck it, you know what, lets up stakes and walk from one continent to another, take a risky as fuck boat ride with a high casualty rate, just so we can rob some social welfare, and flip burgers off the books for a living."

Like a broken fuckin record indeed

WTF are you talking about ?

So you think I'm the one with the myopic view? The region was and is a shit show wether we are destabilizing it or not.It has been for 1000s of years.
My comment which originally was part of a conversation with someone else is Syria is in the middle of a civil war.The fleeing refugees are fleeing Assads govt who is exterminating them.That you cannot hang on US.But yet you still need to deflect blame.I get it.
And if your going to talk shit,at least be accurate.Ive not once made little of the plight of the refugees.Dont confuse calling out hypocritical board members with making light of the struggles of those innocent people.

I think there are some people misinterpreting each other here.

Callen's comment: totally agree. The reality is, we can pretend all we like, but to be birthed in the USA vs being birthed in Syria would lend you a very different life, from a probabilistic point of view. Were America's doors always open to refugees, without any checks and balances (double-checking the validity of the refugee's claims), you'd better believe that there'd be an influx of refugees to a point where the quality of life in America would suffer. This would in fact go against what a government's prime objective is: to secure the quality of life for its citizens first. The only time this should change is should the citizens collectively decide that they are willing to sacrifice some of their quality of life, in order that its government should act on their behalves to pursue humanitarian initiatives.

Point to me where anyone said that we should open the floodgates to people around the world without any checks and balances? It's not an all or nothing deal. We have taken people on mass for humanitarian reasons before, and it has made us a better country ,Canada and the Vietnam boat people, 60,000 in a year. Ukrainians in the 50's. It can be done with little harm to the economy and our standard of life.