The right to bear arms

dankind

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

mcgruff10 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Don't tell people that when the constitution was written the most powerful weapon known to man was a musket that took 4 minutes to reload if you were a marksman. They will tell you that we should ban the internet because newspaper and books were the only methods of spreading information.

don't you two be talking about me like that! lol

I didn't mention any names....

lol touche. pjsoul hates me because I tell her all the time how bad riot act is.

It's so good!!!!!!!!!

Shit. Now I hate him.

You suck, mcgruff.

mcgruff10

dankind said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

mcgruff10 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Don't tell people that when the constitution was written the most powerful weapon known to man was a musket that took 4 minutes to reload if you were a marksman. They will tell you that we should ban the internet because newspaper and books were the only methods of spreading information.

don't you two be talking about me like that! lol

I didn't mention any names....

lol touche. pjsoul hates me because I tell her all the time how bad riot act is.

It's so good!!!!!!!!!

Shit. Now I hate him.

You suck, mcgruff.

Like five people bought riot act and they all hate me. Geez.

rgambs

Save You and LBC alone make that album indispensable.
All or None, You Are, and Thumbing My Way, Green Diseases and Can't Keep.
Yeah, gimme summa dat.

mickeyrat

whats not being addressed here is these national news killings are being done with legally purchased/owned guns.

for the other equally important issues of crime in general with guns, but also the killings in the streets,

show me some stats please on rates of crime relative to gun use, house break-ins or thefts(show where guns were listed as stolen that were then later used in these other crimes). That way we can get a decent enough picture of how many guns were gotten that way vs. how many black market(i.e. legal initial purchase then sold legally but to folks who wouldn't otherwise have legal access)

Last-12-Exit

Gambs, spot on with LBC and save you. Those two alone make the album worth listening to.

callen

mickeyrat said:

whats not being addressed here is these national news killings are being done with legally purchased/owned guns.

for the other equally important issues of crime in general with guns, but also the killings in the streets,

show me some stats please on rates of crime relative to gun use, house break-ins or thefts(show where guns were listed as stolen that were then later used in these other crimes). That way we can get a decent enough picture of how many guns were gotten that way vs. how many black market(i.e. legal initial purchase then sold legally but to folks who wouldn't otherwise have legal access)

Well these high profile cases are a tiny fraction of gun deaths. Would guess the daily robberies and killings that involve the stolen guns.

mickeyrat

Are you fucking kidding me? Rating albums?

Callen I dont understand your post. You would guess what.

dimitrispearljam

mcgruff10 said:

dankind said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

mcgruff10 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Don't tell people that when the constitution was written the most powerful weapon known to man was a musket that took 4 minutes to reload if you were a marksman. They will tell you that we should ban the internet because newspaper and books were the only methods of spreading information.

don't you two be talking about me like that! lol

I didn't mention any names....

lol touche. pjsoul hates me because I tell her all the time how bad riot act is.

It's so good!!!!!!!!!

Shit. Now I hate him.

You suck, mcgruff.

Like five people bought riot act and they all hate me. Geez.

I dont hate u..cos i like your wife

brianlux

Every gun has a history. Check this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nAfWfF4TjM

mcgruff10

dimitrispearljam said:

mcgruff10 said:

dankind said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

mcgruff10 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Don't tell people that when the constitution was written the most powerful weapon known to man was a musket that took 4 minutes to reload if you were a marksman. They will tell you that we should ban the internet because newspaper and books were the only methods of spreading information.

don't you two be talking about me like that! lol

I didn't mention any names....

lol touche. pjsoul hates me because I tell her all the time how bad riot act is.

It's so good!!!!!!!!!

Shit. Now I hate him.

You suck, mcgruff.

Like five people bought riot act and they all hate me. Geez.

I dont hate u..cos i like your wife

Oh damn!!!!

callen

mickeyrat said:

Are you fucking kidding me? Rating albums?

Callen I dont understand your post. You would guess what.

Most crime doesn't make the headlines so can't judge stolen gun problem from these high profile cases.

mickeyrat

callen said:

mickeyrat said:

Are you fucking kidding me? Rating albums?

Callen I dont understand your post. You would guess what.

Most crime doesn't make the headlines so can't judge stolen gun problem from these high profile cases.

I agree, these higher profile cases usually involve a legally purchased weapon. Surely there is data out there on the number of guns stolen.

dudeman

brianlux said:

Every gun has a history. Check this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nAfWfF4TjM

This is deplorable to me. These "customers" come into a store seeking a means of protecting themselves and their families, maybe because something terrible happened to someone close to them and the police arrived too late, and they are made to feel guilt and shame for that because of the acts of some crazy assholes.

The callousness that abounds in the world never ceases to amaze and disgust me.

brianlux

dudeman said:

brianlux said:

Every gun has a history. Check this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nAfWfF4TjM

This is deplorable to me. These "customers" come into a store seeking a means of protecting themselves and their families, maybe because something terrible happened to someone close to them and the police arrived too late, and they are made to feel guilt and shame for that because of the acts of some crazy assholes.

The callousness that abounds in the world never ceases to amaze and disgust me.

Are you saying you find the efforts of the people who made this video to be callous? Why instead don't we look at other countries and cultures where gun violence is lower than ours and why the people there don't get this knee jerk paranoia that someone is going kill you if you don't have a gun. The only person I know who was shot a killed is a friend who was shot on the streets of Sacramento so suddenly and unexpectedly that if he had been armed he would have been killed anyway. I'm 64 years old and have lived in many places and known and met many people and yet I've never met anyone who needed to have a gun to save their life. More people with more guns just means more dead people. Americans have such a tunnel vision approach to the problem. I'm glad someone is out there is using this video to help create a new mentality regarding guns. Sorry you were so offended.

dignin

dudeman said:

brianlux said:

Every gun has a history. Check this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nAfWfF4TjM

This is deplorable to me. These "customers" come into a store seeking a means of protecting themselves and their families, maybe because something terrible happened to someone close to them and the police arrived too late, and they are made to feel guilt and shame for that because of the acts of some crazy assholes.

The callousness that abounds in the world never ceases to amaze and disgust me.

Reality and sober second thought is not deplorable or callous.

gimmesometruth27

wow i go away for a week and come back and speedy all of a sudden is a bleeding heart?? No way!!

just kidding speedy, but i am totally with you here.

there has to be a way.

i like the idea of the no questions asked gun buyback.

i also like the idea of making ammo more expensive, or taxing ammo at double purchase price. if a box of ammo costs $100, with tax, it will cost $200. that will make it more difficult for people to afford bullets.

better yet, a 5 year moratorium on the manufacture and import of bullets here in the states. that will create insane demand and drive up the cost.

if ammo is more difficult to get, people could have all the guns they want, just have a more difficult time getting the ammo to kill someone. to me, the gun is not the problem, it is the thing that the gun spits out that takes lives with it. the second amendment does not mention ammo, it just says arms, which to me is the gun itself.

i have more ideas, just am not looking forward to defending myself from the flames i am sure to get after this post.

dudeman

gimmesometruth27 said:

wow i go away for a week and come back and speedy all of a sudden is a bleeding heart?? No way!!

just kidding speedy, but i am totally with you here.

there has to be a way.

i like the idea of the no questions asked gun buyback.

i also like the idea of making ammo more expensive, or taxing ammo at double purchase price. if a box of ammo costs $100, with tax, it will cost $200. that will make it more difficult for people to afford bullets.

better yet, a 5 year moratorium on the manufacture and import of bullets here in the states. that will create insane demand and drive up the cost.

if ammo is more difficult to get, people could have all the guns they want, just have a more difficult time getting the ammo to kill someone. to me, the gun is not the problem, it is the thing that the gun spits out that takes lives with it. the second amendment does not mention ammo, it just says arms, which to me is the gun itself.

i have more ideas, just am not looking forward to defending myself from the flames i am sure to get after this post.

That tax will only guarantee that poor people are singled out as having less value to their lives than those who can afford to pay the tax. Watch for the lawsuit in Seattle and see if that isn't at the core of the argument.

dignin

gimmesometruth27 said:

wow i go away for a week and come back and speedy all of a sudden is a bleeding heart?? No way!!

just kidding speedy, but i am totally with you here.

there has to be a way.

i like the idea of the no questions asked gun buyback.

i also like the idea of making ammo more expensive, or taxing ammo at double purchase price. if a box of ammo costs $100, with tax, it will cost $200. that will make it more difficult for people to afford bullets.

better yet, a 5 year moratorium on the manufacture and import of bullets here in the states. that will create insane demand and drive up the cost.

if ammo is more difficult to get, people could have all the guns they want, just have a more difficult time getting the ammo to kill someone. to me, the gun is not the problem, it is the thing that the gun spits out that takes lives with it. the second amendment does not mention ammo, it just says arms, which to me is the gun itself.

i have more ideas, just am not looking forward to defending myself from the flames i am sure to get after this post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuX-nFmL0II

dudeman

brianlux said:

dudeman said:

brianlux said:

Every gun has a history. Check this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nAfWfF4TjM

This is deplorable to me. These "customers" come into a store seeking a means of protecting themselves and their families, maybe because something terrible happened to someone close to them and the police arrived too late, and they are made to feel guilt and shame for that because of the acts of some crazy assholes.

The callousness that abounds in the world never ceases to amaze and disgust me.

Are you saying you find the efforts of the people who made this video to be callous? Why instead don't we look at other countries and cultures where gun violence is lower than ours and why the people there don't get this knee jerk paranoia that someone is going kill you if you don't have a gun. The only person I know who was shot a killed is a friend who was shot on the streets of Sacramento so suddenly and unexpectedly that if he had been armed he would have been killed anyway. I'm 64 years old and have lived in many places and known and met many people and yet I've never met anyone who needed to have a gun to save their life. More people with more guns just means more dead people. Americans have such a tunnel vision approach to the problem. I'm glad someone is out there is using this video to help create a new mentality regarding guns. Sorry you were so offended.

Brian, I respect your opinions and I am truly sorry to hear about your friend. I can relate. However, our opinions are partly the product of our life experience and thus are surly going to be varied in myriad ways.

You haven't known anyone that has had to use a firearm to defend themselves or their families but I have. I also have lost friends to murderers. Those friends might still be alive if they had the situational awareness, training and tools to protect themselves.

Choosing to own firearms for protection is a very personal choice, and certainly not one to be taken lightly. I don't disagree that fewer guns equal fewer gun deaths, of course that's true. There are also lots of people out there that should never own guns. Background checks need to be done and the gun show loophole and private sales not being subject to checks is a problem, too.

The comparison to other countries is a good place to start, but consider that the population of the United States is comprised of samples of the population from all of those other countries. None of those other countries have demographics that come close to ours. Think there might be something there?

PJ_Soul

dudeman said:

brianlux said:

Every gun has a history. Check this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nAfWfF4TjM

This is deplorable to me. These "customers" come into a store seeking a means of protecting themselves and their families, maybe because something terrible happened to someone close to them and the police arrived too late, and they are made to feel guilt and shame for that because of the acts of some crazy assholes.

The callousness that abounds in the world never ceases to amaze and disgust me.

Well they aren't mentally challenged children dude. They are grown adults who are capable of hearing another side of something and making their own decisions, sheesh. They are every bit as capable as you are of interpreting this information and doing what they think is best.