The right to bear arms

cblock4life

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

so no source for the 11 shot allegation.

Heard on the news that's what the investigators released, haven't seen an article on it. 
I searched, saw a heading with NY times stating he fired first and injured in officer, but I'm not a paid subscriber so I couldn't read beyond that. 

https://youtu.be/vx2qDhwZhX8?si=nHtOcfUQTmMrq0Xh

If you pull a gun on a police officer you get what they’re trained to do.  IMO this story should be over and done with if the perpetrator actually shot first. 

tempo_n_groove

mickeyrat said:

4 cops. 96 shots in total. 41 sec. equals 24 each.

I havent found an article with the poster claimed 11 shots fired.

I will expect to hear of gun shot residue findings during autopsy .

would love to know if all 96 are accounted for beyond casings.

the one body cam video linked iin the initial article posted here was after reed was dead at the rear of his vehicle.

this tactical team, is it really their mandate to conduct traffic stops with such a minor infraction precipitating the stop?

if the tint was illegal, why doesnt the city/state crack down on the shops applying illegal tint?

at what point will any agency give clear directive , when more than one officer is on scene ONLY ONE gives commands.

if the tint was illegal, why doesnt the city/state crack down on the shops applying illegal tint?

Stop w this one please.  You really think LE should waste their resources on a shop that does illegal window tinting?

If you know it is illegal to have that tint WHY would you parade around with a bullseye on?

We discuss this every time  multiple cops shoot...  They are trained to eliminate the threat.  That means that all available neutralize the threat. 

mace1229

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

4 cops. 96 shots in total. 41 sec. equals 24 each.

I havent found an article with the poster claimed 11 shots fired.

I will expect to hear of gun shot residue findings during autopsy .

would love to know if all 96 are accounted for beyond casings.

the one body cam video linked iin the initial article posted here was after reed was dead at the rear of his vehicle.

this tactical team, is it really their mandate to conduct traffic stops with such a minor infraction precipitating the stop?

if the tint was illegal, why doesnt the city/state crack down on the shops applying illegal tint?

at what point will any agency give clear directive , when more than one officer is on scene ONLY ONE gives commands.

if the tint was illegal, why doesnt the city/state crack down on the shops applying illegal tint?

Stop w this one please.  You really think LE should waste their resources on a shop that does illegal window tinting?

If you know it is illegal to have that tint WHY would you parade around with a bullseye on?

We discuss this every time  multiple cops shoot...  They are trained to eliminate the threat.  That means that all available neutralize the threat. 

Yeah, but why don't they all just stand down and have 1 designated shooter take 1 shot and shoot the gun out of the bad guys hand? I've seen enough movies to know that's possible. 

tempo_n_groove

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

4 cops. 96 shots in total. 41 sec. equals 24 each.

I havent found an article with the poster claimed 11 shots fired.

I will expect to hear of gun shot residue findings during autopsy .

would love to know if all 96 are accounted for beyond casings.

the one body cam video linked iin the initial article posted here was after reed was dead at the rear of his vehicle.

this tactical team, is it really their mandate to conduct traffic stops with such a minor infraction precipitating the stop?

if the tint was illegal, why doesnt the city/state crack down on the shops applying illegal tint?

at what point will any agency give clear directive , when more than one officer is on scene ONLY ONE gives commands.

if the tint was illegal, why doesnt the city/state crack down on the shops applying illegal tint?

Stop w this one please.  You really think LE should waste their resources on a shop that does illegal window tinting?

If you know it is illegal to have that tint WHY would you parade around with a bullseye on?

We discuss this every time  multiple cops shoot...  They are trained to eliminate the threat.  That means that all available neutralize the threat. 

Yeah, but why don't they all just stand down and have 1 designated shooter take 1 shot and shoot the gun out of the bad guys hand? I've seen enough movies to know that's possible. 

I was thinking ninja stars to immobilize them.

mickeyrat

how easily adept are you guys at understanding whats going on and whats expected of you when multiple people are shouting at you? able to fully comply with any and all commands?

as for the facetious window tints comment. I didnt say the LE were responsible for that. That becomes a state or city inspection problem. when I got tint in my pick up they made clear what the law allowed for, and willing offered and applied a tint darker than legal for me. 

my point was shouldnt that be something already address by state or local civil departments? LE has issue with tint darkness. its understandable. completely. when I am stopped, I make the decision to turn on my interior light and have the window rolled down already.

but do go on with your phallic love and complete and total reverence for an organization type that all too often goes way the fuck out of bounds and covers it up. we see enough to warrant suspicion of THEIR narrative. as we should be of any official accounting by any level of government.

and some call us sheep.......

tempo_n_groove

mickeyrat said:

how easily adept are you guys at understanding whats going on and whats expected of you when multiple people are shouting at you? able to fully comply with any and all commands?

as for the facetious window tints comment. I didnt say the LE were responsible for that. That becomes a state or city inspection problem. when I got tint in my pick up they made clear what the law allowed for, and willing offered and applied a tint darker than legal for me. 

my point was shouldnt that be something already address by state or local civil departments? LE has issue with tint darkness. its understandable. completely. when I am stopped, I make the decision to turn on my interior light and have the window rolled down already.

but do go on with your phallic love and complete and total reverence for an organization type that all too often goes way the fuck out of bounds and covers it up. we see enough to warrant suspicion of THEIR narrative. as we should be of any official accounting by any level of government.

and some call us sheep.......

I will say the cops intuition was right here.

Do cops go overboard?  Sure they do.  If a cop does something wrong I call that shit out.  This didn't look like they were in the wrong here.

mace1229

mickeyrat said:

how easily adept are you guys at understanding whats going on and whats expected of you when multiple people are shouting at you? able to fully comply with any and all commands?

as for the facetious window tints comment. I didnt say the LE were responsible for that. That becomes a state or city inspection problem. when I got tint in my pick up they made clear what the law allowed for, and willing offered and applied a tint darker than legal for me. 

my point was shouldnt that be something already address by state or local civil departments? LE has issue with tint darkness. its understandable. completely. when I am stopped, I make the decision to turn on my interior light and have the window rolled down already.

but do go on with your phallic love and complete and total reverence for an organization type that all too often goes way the fuck out of bounds and covers it up. we see enough to warrant suspicion of THEIR narrative. as we should be of any official accounting by any level of government.

and some call us sheep.......

He fired 11 times hitting 1 cop. The cops are going to return fire. They don't need to get together in a huddle and decide who's going to fire how many times while getting shot at. They each have the right to defend themselves, and they did. 
Expecting them to not return fire and save their own lives is unrealistic. 

tempo_n_groove

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

how easily adept are you guys at understanding whats going on and whats expected of you when multiple people are shouting at you? able to fully comply with any and all commands?

as for the facetious window tints comment. I didnt say the LE were responsible for that. That becomes a state or city inspection problem. when I got tint in my pick up they made clear what the law allowed for, and willing offered and applied a tint darker than legal for me. 

my point was shouldnt that be something already address by state or local civil departments? LE has issue with tint darkness. its understandable. completely. when I am stopped, I make the decision to turn on my interior light and have the window rolled down already.

but do go on with your phallic love and complete and total reverence for an organization type that all too often goes way the fuck out of bounds and covers it up. we see enough to warrant suspicion of THEIR narrative. as we should be of any official accounting by any level of government.

and some call us sheep.......

He fired 11 times hitting 1 cop. The cops are going to return fire. They don't need to get together in a huddle and decide who's going to fire how many times while getting shot at. They each have the right to defend themselves, and they did. 
Expecting them to not return fire and save their own lives is unrealistic. 

I think he was getting at how they got to that point.

mickeyrat

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

how easily adept are you guys at understanding whats going on and whats expected of you when multiple people are shouting at you? able to fully comply with any and all commands?

as for the facetious window tints comment. I didnt say the LE were responsible for that. That becomes a state or city inspection problem. when I got tint in my pick up they made clear what the law allowed for, and willing offered and applied a tint darker than legal for me. 

my point was shouldnt that be something already address by state or local civil departments? LE has issue with tint darkness. its understandable. completely. when I am stopped, I make the decision to turn on my interior light and have the window rolled down already.

but do go on with your phallic love and complete and total reverence for an organization type that all too often goes way the fuck out of bounds and covers it up. we see enough to warrant suspicion of THEIR narrative. as we should be of any official accounting by any level of government.

and some call us sheep.......

He fired 11 times hitting 1 cop. The cops are going to return fire. They don't need to get together in a huddle and decide who's going to fire how many times while getting shot at. They each have the right to defend themselves, and they did. 
Expecting them to not return fire and save their own lives is unrealistic. 

again post where you found that or stop.

and at whay fucking point did I say anything about how many should fire or not. I said ONE officer in charge of commands given. RIF teach./.....

mace1229

mickeyrat said:

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

how easily adept are you guys at understanding whats going on and whats expected of you when multiple people are shouting at you? able to fully comply with any and all commands?

as for the facetious window tints comment. I didnt say the LE were responsible for that. That becomes a state or city inspection problem. when I got tint in my pick up they made clear what the law allowed for, and willing offered and applied a tint darker than legal for me. 

my point was shouldnt that be something already address by state or local civil departments? LE has issue with tint darkness. its understandable. completely. when I am stopped, I make the decision to turn on my interior light and have the window rolled down already.

but do go on with your phallic love and complete and total reverence for an organization type that all too often goes way the fuck out of bounds and covers it up. we see enough to warrant suspicion of THEIR narrative. as we should be of any official accounting by any level of government.

and some call us sheep.......

He fired 11 times hitting 1 cop. The cops are going to return fire. They don't need to get together in a huddle and decide who's going to fire how many times while getting shot at. They each have the right to defend themselves, and they did. 
Expecting them to not return fire and save their own lives is unrealistic. 

again post where you found that or stop.

and at whay fucking point did I say anything about how many should fire or not. I said ONE officer in charge of commands given. RIF teach./.....

It's already been posted. DIdn't know you wanted it posted every time it was brought up. My appologies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx2qDhwZhX8&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fcommunity.pearljam.com%2F&source_ve_path=MTc4NDI0

mace1229

mickeyrat said:

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

how easily adept are you guys at understanding whats going on and whats expected of you when multiple people are shouting at you? able to fully comply with any and all commands?

as for the facetious window tints comment. I didnt say the LE were responsible for that. That becomes a state or city inspection problem. when I got tint in my pick up they made clear what the law allowed for, and willing offered and applied a tint darker than legal for me. 

my point was shouldnt that be something already address by state or local civil departments? LE has issue with tint darkness. its understandable. completely. when I am stopped, I make the decision to turn on my interior light and have the window rolled down already.

but do go on with your phallic love and complete and total reverence for an organization type that all too often goes way the fuck out of bounds and covers it up. we see enough to warrant suspicion of THEIR narrative. as we should be of any official accounting by any level of government.

and some call us sheep.......

He fired 11 times hitting 1 cop. The cops are going to return fire. They don't need to get together in a huddle and decide who's going to fire how many times while getting shot at. They each have the right to defend themselves, and they did. 
Expecting them to not return fire and save their own lives is unrealistic. 

again post where you found that or stop.

and at whay fucking point did I say anything about how many should fire or not. I said ONE officer in charge of commands given. RIF teach./.....

And you want one officer in charge. So the cop staring down the barrel of a gun has to wait for orders to fire? That's how the British lost the Battle of New Orleans. 

mickeyrat

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

how easily adept are you guys at understanding whats going on and whats expected of you when multiple people are shouting at you? able to fully comply with any and all commands?

as for the facetious window tints comment. I didnt say the LE were responsible for that. That becomes a state or city inspection problem. when I got tint in my pick up they made clear what the law allowed for, and willing offered and applied a tint darker than legal for me. 

my point was shouldnt that be something already address by state or local civil departments? LE has issue with tint darkness. its understandable. completely. when I am stopped, I make the decision to turn on my interior light and have the window rolled down already.

but do go on with your phallic love and complete and total reverence for an organization type that all too often goes way the fuck out of bounds and covers it up. we see enough to warrant suspicion of THEIR narrative. as we should be of any official accounting by any level of government.

and some call us sheep.......

He fired 11 times hitting 1 cop. The cops are going to return fire. They don't need to get together in a huddle and decide who's going to fire how many times while getting shot at. They each have the right to defend themselves, and they did. 
Expecting them to not return fire and save their own lives is unrealistic. 

again post where you found that or stop.

and at whay fucking point did I say anything about how many should fire or not. I said ONE officer in charge of commands given. RIF teach./.....

And you want one officer in charge. So the cop staring down the barrel of a gun has to wait for orders to fire? That's how the British lost the Battle of New Orleans. 

MISSING THE FUCKING POINT AS USUAL. WHEN FIRST STOPPED WHY THE FUCK IS IT NECESSARY FOR MORE THAN ONE OFFICER TO GIVE COMMANDS TO THE DETAINEE SUSPECT? HMMMM? FUCKING ANSWER THAT. WOULDNT IT BE MORE CONDUCIVE TO A SAFE SUCCESSFUL OUTCOME, ONE IN WHICH EVERYONE INVOLVED IS ALIVE AT THE END OF IT IF THERE WERE ONLY ONE OFFICER GIVING VERBAL COMMANDS TO A SUSPECT/DETAINEE?  OFFICER IN FIRST CONTACT, IN MY MIND, IS THE ONE IN COMMAND OF THE SITUATION UNLESS AND UNTIL A SUPERIOR OFFICER ARRIVES ON SCENE TO TAKE OVER OR OVERSEE THE 1ST CONTACT OFFICER.

I SAID NOTHING ABOUT WAITING FOR ORDERS AMONG OFFICER OR ANY OTHER BULLSHIT YOU WANT TO SAY I SAID OR INFERRED

mickeyrat

 The head of the police union says it? GTFOH with that bullshit.

mace1229

mickeyrat said:

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

how easily adept are you guys at understanding whats going on and whats expected of you when multiple people are shouting at you? able to fully comply with any and all commands?

as for the facetious window tints comment. I didnt say the LE were responsible for that. That becomes a state or city inspection problem. when I got tint in my pick up they made clear what the law allowed for, and willing offered and applied a tint darker than legal for me. 

my point was shouldnt that be something already address by state or local civil departments? LE has issue with tint darkness. its understandable. completely. when I am stopped, I make the decision to turn on my interior light and have the window rolled down already.

but do go on with your phallic love and complete and total reverence for an organization type that all too often goes way the fuck out of bounds and covers it up. we see enough to warrant suspicion of THEIR narrative. as we should be of any official accounting by any level of government.

and some call us sheep.......

He fired 11 times hitting 1 cop. The cops are going to return fire. They don't need to get together in a huddle and decide who's going to fire how many times while getting shot at. They each have the right to defend themselves, and they did. 
Expecting them to not return fire and save their own lives is unrealistic. 

again post where you found that or stop.

and at whay fucking point did I say anything about how many should fire or not. I said ONE officer in charge of commands given. RIF teach./.....

And you want one officer in charge. So the cop staring down the barrel of a gun has to wait for orders to fire? That's how the British lost the Battle of New Orleans. 

MISSING THE FUCKING POINT AS USUAL. WHEN FIRST STOPPED WHY THE FUCK IS IT NECESSARY FOR MORE THAN ONE OFFICER TO GIVE COMMANDS TO THE DETAINEE SUSPECT? HMMMM? FUCKING ANSWER THAT. WOULDNT IT BE MORE CONDUCIVE TO A SAFE SUCCESSFUL OUTCOME, ONE IN WHICH EVERYONE INVOLVED IS ALIVE AT THE END OF IT IF THERE WERE ONLY ONE OFFICER GIVING VERBAL COMMANDS TO A SUSPECT/DETAINEE?  OFFICER IN FIRST CONTACT, IN MY MIND, IS THE ONE IN COMMAND OF THE SITUATION UNLESS AND UNTIL A SUPERIOR OFFICER ARRIVES ON SCENE TO TAKE OVER OR OVERSEE THE 1ST CONTACT OFFICER.

I SAID NOTHING ABOUT WAITING FOR ORDERS AMONG OFFICER OR ANY OTHER BULLSHIT YOU WANT TO SAY I SAID OR INFERRED

We were discussing the fact multiple cops were shooting when you responded. If you wanted to change focus and talk about the initial pull over, you should have made that clear. Because it sounds like you want one person in charge of and keeping track of who shoots during a shoot out. 

Kat

Timeout on this one until people cool down. You can discuss an issue without yelling.