The right to bear arms

mickeyrat

oftenreading said:

So the Second Amendment is unassailable, but the according to Trump and his supporters the 14th Amendment is completely up for grabs. Correct?

Yep.

ldent42

Amongst the Ani said:

The only way to make a change is to change our election process. Fire congress and the senate right now and no longer allow any donations from companies, max of $200 from one person. Change the whole election process to only be 3 months to cut the cost down. No more primaries and its straight who got the most votes nationally wins. The 2 party system needs to go and doing it this way will let more people have a shot. No more electoral college with some states having more sway than others. A vote is a vote despite where it comes from. Harshen the laws on public officials taking money or trips on a lobbyists dime. Raise the wages of congress and senate and make it to where that is all they can get. No more speaking gigs or anything until they are out of office, which should be 1 term. Until our elected officials actually serve us and our needs nothing will change.

Well said. Need to eliminate the two party system and the electoral college. Get the money OUT of the election process. Get term limits under control. Get broadcast coverage of debates under NEUTRAL control.

but I just popped in to drop this off.

ldent42

Oh, and I've seen a couple no questions asked gun buyback things here in the city with the pd and the church and they seem to help some. I dug up this old article with some numbers
http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/politics/2012/12/6920679/nypd-gun-buyback-total-so-far
"Since the program’s inception in 2002 there have been 7,360 guns turned in for $100 each at police stations in the five boroughs. In the NYPD program with clergy and DAs that followed there were 8,394 guns turned in to police at churches for $200 each; for a total 15,754 from both programs combined."
He didn't say anything specific about the administrations plans for gun buybacks in the future.

Leezestarr313

I love you, Speedy.

rollings

I'm actually a proponent of the right to tickle arms.

arms, legs, feet, astronomics, wherever....

Asterisk on the Street

pjhawks said:

regulate bullets. how they are manufactured and sold. that's what i'd go after.

^^^This

Make it illegal to sell ammunition online. All sales of ammunition must be in person with limits on quantities sold. Make bullets more expensive to buy, and highly regulate materials used to make your own bullets at home.

brianlux

Asterisk on the Street said:

pjhawks said:

regulate bullets. how they are manufactured and sold. that's what i'd go after.

^^^This

Make it illegal to sell ammunition online. All sales of ammunition must be in person with limits on quantities sold. Make bullets more expensive to buy, and highly regulate materials used to make your own bullets at home.

Whoa! What? You can buy ammunition online?? CRAZY!

I'm not sure how feasible it would be to limit reloading though. Many years ago, I knew a guy who was big into reloading and the materials just didn't seem very difficult to procure.

But in any case, I definitely support the idea of limiting access to ammunition and making it and reloading equipment expensive. Tax the hell out of all of that stuff and give the money the families and fund their grief support groups as well as fund better education. Toughen up gun sales, registration, background checks, etc. Teach people how to get proper nutrition to help create better physical and mental health.

Doing more to alleviate poverty and end stupid senseless racism and hate group mentality (of all kinds) would also go a long way to helping end this madness.

So much of this is just basic sense and education. Damn, we are sick and stupid ass nation/society, at least in some ways. Right? That could change.

Smellyman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pOiOhxujsE&list=PLOKWcH1zBl2kfnCwyyZWk5MW28lgaNa7L

Wma31394

I agree but don't know the answer..many of the thoughts mentioned above are good starts..the amendments are outdated..Americans need to get pissed!

callen

ldent42 said:

Oh, and I've seen a couple no questions asked gun buyback things here in the city with the pd and the church and they seem to help some. I dug up this old article with some numbers
http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/politics/2012/12/6920679/nypd-gun-buyback-total-so-far
"Since the program’s inception in 2002 there have been 7,360 guns turned in for $100 each at police stations in the five boroughs. In the NYPD program with clergy and DAs that followed there were 8,394 guns turned in to police at churches for $200 each; for a total 15,754 from both programs combined."
He didn't say anything specific about the administrations plans for gun buybacks in the future.

Gun manufacturers should be forced to fund this.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

I DO NOT buy into the argument that the lunatics will find another way to commit mass murder if we take away there guns. Sorry, but that thought process just doesn't work for me. America has a BIG problem with handguns, it is pretty fucking obvious.

Lets see, the 2nd amendment was adopted in 1791? Well this is 2015, and we are not living on a Prairie fighting Indians, nor are we protecting are chickens from wild coyotes. I am pretty damned sure when that 2nd amendment was adopted, nobody involved had any idea what America was going to look like in the year 2015.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Lets take a look as to why the early settlers thought it important for one to bear arms in 1791.

Enabling people to organize a militia
To participate in law enforcement
To deter a tyrannical government
To repel invasion
To suppress slave revolts
Self defense

It was 1791 people.
What was the entire population of the USA in 1791? 3,900,000
And in the year 2015 how many handguns are there out there?

dimitrispearljam

speedy is right..usa let this shit to go too far..
the guns shit needs to be control...
If someone has a tiny piece of mind in his head,he can understand this clearly
if usa wants their people more safe,if they want the world to know usa for different things than unreal killing every day they need to change it NOW

2-feign-reluctance

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

Lets take a look as to why the early settlers thought it important for one to bear arms in 1791.

Enabling people to organize a militia
To participate in law enforcement
To deter a tyrannical government
To repel invasion
To suppress slave revolts
Self defense

It was 1791 people.
What was the entire population of the USA in 1791? 3,900,000
And in the year 2015 how many handguns are there out there?

Professor McSpeedy in the house. Unfortunately a good number of politicians act and behave like it's still 1791.

Shawshank

If they do a gun buyback and people turn in their handguns (I'm assuming people would still be allowed to have hunting rifles right?)...how do you control the black market side of things? How do you keep guns out of the hands of the criminal element? I am in no way trying to argue the need to do something...not at all...I see the need. I'm just wondering how this could be done. I cannot see how criminals would be disarmed in all of this. They will find a way to get guns. They will carry guns. They will use guns.

josevolution

There is to much money involved in guns , rifles , ammo the NRA has all those greedy politicians in their pockets this is not going to change there will be more killings that you can bank on it , go ahead find me one of those candidates running for president that will run on gun reform not one will step up to the plate on this issue none of'em ....

2-feign-reluctance

Shawshank said:

If they do a gun buyback and people turn in their handguns (I'm assuming people would still be allowed to have hunting rifles right?)...how do you control the black market side of things? How do you keep guns out of the hands of the criminal element? I am in no way trying to argue the need to do something...not at all...I see the need. I'm just wondering how this could be done. I cannot see how criminals would be disarmed in all of this. They will find a way to get guns. They will carry guns. They will use guns.

Would be more difficult in our country - easier in other countries with smaller populations.

Stickman12

I am pro gun and support the second amendment. I, like everyone else, see the senseless violence that has been going on and agree that something needs to be done to get things under control. I cannot however support additional gun control laws when current laws are not being enforced. Speedy posted that he does not buy into the idea that lunatics will find another way to commit murder if we take away their guns. I personally disagree. Im not going to sit here and site example after example but one that comes to mind is drugs. Drugs are illegal and will get confiscated if found by the police. Drugs still find there way to places they shouldnt be. Whether its your friendly pot head or scumbag crack head, people who want drugs will find a way to get them. I do have my own solution to help curb gun violence. I would propose somehow making guns, ammunition, and magazines more expensive. If the price were increased significantly, there would be less gun sales, less ammo sales, and less magazine sales. If a handgun were $1000 as opposed to $400 or if an AR15 were $2000 instead of $700, I believe over time guns would be less available to those who shouldnt have them. If a box of bullets cost $50 instead of $15, people may think twice about spraying them with no clear target.

Shawshank

2-feign-reluctance said:

Would be more difficult in our country - easier in other countries with smaller populations.

I have to agree. I mean I see people tout Australia, and yes their plan is great. But there is absolutely no way that would work here. Yes, you could keep everyday gun owners from having one, but you would never stop the crazies and the criminals. The additional problem we have, is that there is no security here. We aren't surrounded by water like Australia. Shipments of guns would easily cross into our country from Mexico and enter the black market. I mean hell...WE shipped guns down to Mexico.

Cliffy6745

Stickman12 said:

I am pro gun and support the second amendment. I, like everyone else, see the senseless violence that has been going on and agree that something needs to be done to get things under control. I cannot however support additional gun control laws when current laws are not being enforced. Speedy posted that he does not buy into the idea that lunatics will find another way to commit murder if we take away their guns. I personally disagree. Im not going to sit here and site example after example but one that comes to mind is drugs. Drugs are illegal and will get confiscated if found by the police. Drugs still find there way to places they shouldnt be. Whether its your friendly pot head or scumbag crack head, people who want drugs will find a way to get them. I do have my own solution to help curb gun violence. I would propose somehow making guns, ammunition, and magazines more expensive. If the price were increased significantly, there would be less gun sales, less ammo sales, and less magazine sales. If a handgun were $1000 as opposed to $400 or if an AR15 were $2000 instead of $700, I believe over time guns would be less available to those who shouldnt have them. If a box of bullets cost $50 instead of $15, people may think twice about spraying them with no clear target.

That is a fucking horrific comparison. Drugs/addicts and mass murders cannot be compared by any stretch of the imagination

Why do other countries of our stature who have strict gun laws have a fraction of the gun related deaths that we do?