I can't believe our only options in 2016 will be Bush and Clinton, again.
It really shows the power grip the illuminati has on the untied states. Since 1992, we have had a bush or Clinton in office for 16 years. Longer if you account for when GB senior headed the CIA - all the way back to the Kennedy Days. Sad world.
My theory is this. I have two shirts, a red and a blue shirt. I'm giving you a "choice" of the two shirts. You're "free" to vote for who you want.
But at the end of the day, I am the one still controlling your "choice"
Pair that with the fact that the president is decided by electoral votes only, and not the popular vote, it shows just how much "freedom of choice" we really have.
That's why I am voting trump. Most don't even realize he is there to deflect the fact that it's Clinton and bush again. He is there to make the others "look better" compared to him. Same way they pulled in Sarah Palin to guarantee Obama would win. Same tactics.
Trump is even worse. What you're doing is the equivalent of quitting heroin and moving on to crystal meth. Why do you want someone with 4 bankruptcies who pisses on captured vets fucking up this country?
I can't believe our only options in 2016 will be Bush and Clinton, again.
It really shows the power grip the illuminati has on the untied states. Since 1992, we have had a bush or Clinton in office for 16 years. Longer if you account for when GB senior headed the CIA - all the way back to the Kennedy Days. Sad world.
My theory is this. I have two shirts, a red and a blue shirt. I'm giving you a "choice" of the two shirts. You're "free" to vote for who you want.
But at the end of the day, I am the one still controlling your "choice"
Pair that with the fact that the president is decided by electoral votes only, and not the popular vote, it shows just how much "freedom of choice" we really have.
That's why I am voting trump. Most don't even realize he is there to deflect the fact that it's Clinton and bush again. He is there to make the others "look better" compared to him. Same way they pulled in Sarah Palin to guarantee Obama would win. Same tactics.
If he is part of the boogeyman Illuminati scheme why would you vote for him?
Better him, someone with morals and dignity, than another spawn of the two most powerful families in the country.
Sorry, I'm on planet reality, where 4 bankruptcies, misogyny and pissing on captured vets isn't moral and dignity. Take your meds ffs.
I can't believe our only options in 2016 will be Bush and Clinton, again.
It really shows the power grip the illuminati has on the untied states. Since 1992, we have had a bush or Clinton in office for 16 years. Longer if you account for when GB senior headed the CIA - all the way back to the Kennedy Days. Sad world.
My theory is this. I have two shirts, a red and a blue shirt. I'm giving you a "choice" of the two shirts. You're "free" to vote for who you want.
But at the end of the day, I am the one still controlling your "choice"
Pair that with the fact that the president is decided by electoral votes only, and not the popular vote, it shows just how much "freedom of choice" we really have.
That's why I am voting trump. Most don't even realize he is there to deflect the fact that it's Clinton and bush again. He is there to make the others "look better" compared to him. Same way they pulled in Sarah Palin to guarantee Obama would win. Same tactics.
If he is part of the boogeyman Illuminati scheme why would you vote for him?
Better him, someone with morals and dignity, than another spawn of the two most powerful families in the country.
Sorry, I'm on planet reality, where 4 bankruptcies, misogyny and pissing on captured vets isn't moral and dignity. Take your meds ffs.
to be fair 4 bankruptcies and 4 come backs and pissing on McCain used to be quite stylish here on the Train.
Scott,Hillary can do no wrong.Get this thru your head.This admin is the best ever.Everything is Bushs fault.Im sure Bengahzi really is all about lies about WMDs.If you do not fall lockstep inline you must be A Fox News republican conservative rascist.Havent you been paying attention!
Way to generalize all liberals as those who love anyone with a D next to their name. SMH Were you in a coma when democrats hated Hillary in 08 and preferred Obama or are you really that goddamn ignorant?
Inhiding, Careful with the personal shots.That kinda thing can be so easily misconstrued.Your better than that.
Btw,if you are going to try to break my balls at least pick a qoute of mine that is relevant to your retort.The one above was a sarcastic blurb addressed to the Fireman. Now if you go back a ways Brian properly called me out on one that is relevant.note the tone of the back and forth and i think you will be enlightened by the spirit of these interactions.
But to answer your question no i was not in a coma.Thank you for inquiring.
One more thing.it is a fact that the few of us here who dont quite fit under the liberal umbrella with our thinking catch alot shit from folks who are supposed to be the caring ,welcoming bunch if we dont care for your candidates.just sayin
I understand that it must be frustrating for people who have certain conservative beliefs here on AMT. But most of us liberals on here don't even like Hilary (or at least that I've noticed for the last month or so since I've been checking in here).
Actually right now as a Bernie supporter she is public enemy number one, nothing would help my cause more than for her to fuck up in some major way. Deep down I secretly wish that Benghazi was a bigger deal so I could scold her for it and tell people not to vote for her because of it, but I can't because it not a valid reason.
I can't believe our only options in 2016 will be Bush and Clinton, again.
It really shows the power grip the illuminati has on the untied states. Since 1992, we have had a bush or Clinton in office for 16 years. Longer if you account for when GB senior headed the CIA - all the way back to the Kennedy Days. Sad world.
My theory is this. I have two shirts, a red and a blue shirt. I'm giving you a "choice" of the two shirts. You're "free" to vote for who you want.
But at the end of the day, I am the one still controlling your "choice"
Pair that with the fact that the president is decided by electoral votes only, and not the popular vote, it shows just how much "freedom of choice" we really have.
That's why I am voting trump. Most don't even realize he is there to deflect the fact that it's Clinton and bush again. He is there to make the others "look better" compared to him. Same way they pulled in Sarah Palin to guarantee Obama would win. Same tactics.
If he is part of the boogeyman Illuminati scheme why would you vote for him?
Better him, someone with morals and dignity, than another spawn of the two most powerful families in the country.
I love how you ignore everything else I said and try and make fun of me yet again. The bullying continues. Seems to happen when I make a real point no one has anything to say but to try and make fun of me. Must make you feel better.
Gotta get in that 2 minute hate once a day!
Gotta get that victim card out once a day right? Lol lighten up a bit.
I can't believe our only options in 2016 will be Bush and Clinton, again.
It really shows the power grip the illuminati has on the untied states. Since 1992, we have had a bush or Clinton in office for 16 years. Longer if you account for when GB senior headed the CIA - all the way back to the Kennedy Days. Sad world.
My theory is this. I have two shirts, a red and a blue shirt. I'm giving you a "choice" of the two shirts. You're "free" to vote for who you want.
But at the end of the day, I am the one still controlling your "choice"
Pair that with the fact that the president is decided by electoral votes only, and not the popular vote, it shows just how much "freedom of choice" we really have.
That's why I am voting trump. Most don't even realize he is there to deflect the fact that it's Clinton and bush again. He is there to make the others "look better" compared to him. Same way they pulled in Sarah Palin to guarantee Obama would win. Same tactics.
If he is part of the boogeyman Illuminati scheme why would you vote for him?
Better him, someone with morals and dignity, than another spawn of the two most powerful families in the country.
I love how you ignore everything else I said and try and make fun of me yet again. The bullying continues. Seems to happen when I make a real point no one has anything to say but to try and make fun of me. Must make you feel better.
I can't believe our only options in 2016 will be Bush and Clinton, again.
It really shows the power grip the illuminati has on the untied states. Since 1992, we have had a bush or Clinton in office for 16 years. Longer if you account for when GB senior headed the CIA - all the way back to the Kennedy Days. Sad world.
My theory is this. I have two shirts, a red and a blue shirt. I'm giving you a "choice" of the two shirts. You're "free" to vote for who you want.
But at the end of the day, I am the one still controlling your "choice"
Pair that with the fact that the president is decided by electoral votes only, and not the popular vote, it shows just how much "freedom of choice" we really have.
That's why I am voting trump. Most don't even realize he is there to deflect the fact that it's Clinton and bush again. He is there to make the others "look better" compared to him. Same way they pulled in Sarah Palin to guarantee Obama would win. Same tactics.
If he is part of the boogeyman Illuminati scheme why would you vote for him?
Better him, someone with morals and dignity, than another spawn of the two most powerful families in the country.
I love how you ignore everything else I said and try and make fun of me yet again. The bullying continues. Seems to happen when I make a real point no one has anything to say but to try and make fun of me. Must make you feel better.
Gotta get in that 2 minute hate once a day!
But if Trump wins the nomination, or if he splits and becomes an Independent, that will insure a Clinton victory. According to your theory, it sure sounds like Trump is playing the same role as Palin this time around. He's being put up to make sure that Clinton wins. What is the difference?
I understand that it must be frustrating for people who have certain conservative beliefs here on AMT. But most of us liberals on here don't even like Hilary (or at least that I've noticed for the last month or so since I've been checking in here).
Actually right now as a Bernie supporter she is public enemy number one, nothing would help my cause more than for her to fuck up in some major way. Deep down I secretly wish that Benghazi was a bigger deal so I could scold her for it and tell people not to vote for her because of it, but I can't because it not a valid reason.
Not frustrating RiotZ ,fun is a better way to put it. Im a moderate with fiscal conservative leanings and I'm fairly liberal on social issues.
I understand that it must be frustrating for people who have certain conservative beliefs here on AMT. But most of us liberals on here don't even like Hilary (or at least that I've noticed for the last month or so since I've been checking in here).
Actually right now as a Bernie supporter she is public enemy number one, nothing would help my cause more than for her to fuck up in some major way. Deep down I secretly wish that Benghazi was a bigger deal so I could scold her for it and tell people not to vote for her because of it, but I can't because it not a valid reason.
Not frustrating RiotZ ,fun is a better way to put it. Im a moderate with fiscal conservative leanings and I'm fairly liberal on social issues.
I understand that it must be frustrating for people who have certain conservative beliefs here on AMT. But most of us liberals on here don't even like Hilary (or at least that I've noticed for the last month or so since I've been checking in here).
Actually right now as a Bernie supporter she is public enemy number one, nothing would help my cause more than for her to fuck up in some major way. Deep down I secretly wish that Benghazi was a bigger deal so I could scold her for it and tell people not to vote for her because of it, but I can't because it not a valid reason.
Not frustrating RiotZ ,fun is a better way to put it. Im a moderate with fiscal conservative leanings and I'm fairly liberal on social issues.
I understand that it must be frustrating for people who have certain conservative beliefs here on AMT. But most of us liberals on here don't even like Hilary (or at least that I've noticed for the last month or so since I've been checking in here).
Actually right now as a Bernie supporter she is public enemy number one, nothing would help my cause more than for her to fuck up in some major way. Deep down I secretly wish that Benghazi was a bigger deal so I could scold her for it and tell people not to vote for her because of it, but I can't because it not a valid reason.
Not frustrating RiotZ ,fun is a better way to put it. Im a moderate with fiscal conservative leanings and I'm fairly liberal on social issues.
Bengazi Bengazi Bengazi!!!
Moderate??? Phooey!!!!!!
I kid.
I would consider rr on the right side of most issues. Definitely not godfather tight, but right nonetheless.
I understand that it must be frustrating for people who have certain conservative beliefs here on AMT. But most of us liberals on here don't even like Hilary (or at least that I've noticed for the last month or so since I've been checking in here).
Actually right now as a Bernie supporter she is public enemy number one, nothing would help my cause more than for her to fuck up in some major way. Deep down I secretly wish that Benghazi was a bigger deal so I could scold her for it and tell people not to vote for her because of it, but I can't because it not a valid reason.
Not frustrating RiotZ ,fun is a better way to put it. Im a moderate with fiscal conservative leanings and I'm fairly liberal on social issues.
Yes, Bernie's and now Hillary's 340 billion dollar college education program paid for by "taxing the rich." My experience has taught me that "taxing the rich" almost always ends up as a tax on everybody but the rich.
In 2008, I actively campaigned for Obama, and that involved telling people with a straight face that he would not raise taxes on the middle class. Well, lo and behold, one year in office, and guess whose freaking taxes went up? Everybody's. The Bush tax cuts "expired," he said. Bullshit, Obama. You raised our taxes.
When Hillary unveiled free college paid by me I cringed.
That makes me sick to my stomach.
why does this bother everyone?
is it really fair for tuition to increase exponentially and then kids come out of school 100 grand in debt in this job market?
if nothing else, people will have another way to berate the younger generations when they talk about having to walk 30 miles to school in the snow, uphill both ways, AND had to pay for their own college.
it is about time we invest in people.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
When Hillary unveiled free college paid by me I cringed.
That makes me sick to my stomach.
why does this bother everyone?
is it really fair for tuition to increase exponentially and then kids come out of school 100 grand in debt in this job market?
if nothing else, people will have another way to berate the younger generations when they talk about having to walk 30 miles to school in the snow, uphill both ways, AND had to pay for their own college.
it is about time we invest in people.
It bothers me because WE ARE BROKE. There is nothing left in the piggy bank.
And because there are plenty of other ways to keep college costs down for everybody while still helping low-income students make their way through.
And because not everybody comes out with this inflammatory six-figure loan debt, a figure irresponsibly tossed about by certain politicians to get people fired up. Sure, some students do have that much debt -- the ones who *choose* to go to really expensive private schools and/or out of state and/or continue onto a post-graduate program -- but not everybody does. According to the Wall Street Journal, the average student loan debt of newly graduated students is currently $35,000. Huffington Post says it's $23,000. I just checked today to make sure I get the real facts. And with insanely low interest rates and flexible terms (deferments, etc.), the payments are manageable for people who make a financially responsible choice to invest in themselves.
Rather than scaring people into believing nobody can go to college unless the government pays the entire bill, I would prefer to frame the education debate this way: Why are states not providing more practical, less expensive options for students who want to learn a technical trade after high school? Why do we stigmatize those young people who choose that option? Does everybody really need to sit through four-six years of Jane Austen and chemistry labs, if they don't want to be a critic or a chemist? And most importantly -- why has the corporate business community completely abdicated their responsibility in training the workforce? There used to be this thing called "on-the-job-training" in this country. Whatever happened to that?
When Hillary unveiled free college paid by me I cringed.
That makes me sick to my stomach.
why does this bother everyone?
is it really fair for tuition to increase exponentially and then kids come out of school 100 grand in debt in this job market?
if nothing else, people will have another way to berate the younger generations when they talk about having to walk 30 miles to school in the snow, uphill both ways, AND had to pay for their own college.
it is about time we invest in people.
It bothers me because WE ARE BROKE. There is nothing left in the piggy bank.
And because there are plenty of other ways to keep college costs down for everybody while still helping low-income students make their way through.
And because not everybody comes out with this inflammatory six-figure loan debt, a figure irresponsibly tossed about by certain politicians to get people fired up. Sure, some students do have that much debt -- the ones who *choose* to go to really expensive private schools and/or out of state and/or continue onto a post-graduate program -- but not everybody does. According to the Wall Street Journal, the average student loan debt of newly graduated students is currently $35,000. Huffington Post says it's $23,000. I just checked today to make sure I get the real facts. And with insanely low interest rates and flexible terms (deferments, etc.), the payments are manageable for people who make a financially responsible choice to invest in themselves.
Rather than scaring people into believing nobody can go to college unless the government pays the entire bill, I would prefer to frame the education debate this way: Why are states not providing more practical, less expensive options for students who want to learn a technical trade after high school? Why do we stigmatize those young people who choose that option? Does everybody really need to sit through four-six years of Jane Austen and chemistry labs, if they don't want to be a critic or a chemist? And most importantly -- why has the corporate business community completely abdicated their responsibility in training the workforce? There used to be this thing called "on-the-job-training" in this country. Whatever happened to that?
I agree with your post in most ways, but interest rates are not insanely low and post graduate programs should not be excluded from the conversation. The professional career tracts are suffering and we do not want to go down a road where it is no longer profitable to study the higher levels of education. Education comes from the top down, if we aren't cognizant of that, the effect will be felt in all facets of society.
When Hillary unveiled free college paid by me I cringed.
That makes me sick to my stomach.
why does this bother everyone?
is it really fair for tuition to increase exponentially and then kids come out of school 100 grand in debt in this job market?
if nothing else, people will have another way to berate the younger generations when they talk about having to walk 30 miles to school in the snow, uphill both ways, AND had to pay for their own college.
it is about time we invest in people.
It bothers me because WE ARE BROKE. There is nothing left in the piggy bank.
And because there are plenty of other ways to keep college costs down for everybody while still helping low-income students make their way through.
And because not everybody comes out with this inflammatory six-figure loan debt, a figure irresponsibly tossed about by certain politicians to get people fired up. Sure, some students do have that much debt -- the ones who *choose* to go to really expensive private schools and/or out of state and/or continue onto a post-graduate program -- but not everybody does. According to the Wall Street Journal, the average student loan debt of newly graduated students is currently $35,000. Huffington Post says it's $23,000. I just checked today to make sure I get the real facts. And with insanely low interest rates and flexible terms (deferments, etc.), the payments are manageable for people who make a financially responsible choice to invest in themselves.
Rather than scaring people into believing nobody can go to college unless the government pays the entire bill, I would prefer to frame the education debate this way: Why are states not providing more practical, less expensive options for students who want to learn a technical trade after high school? Why do we stigmatize those young people who choose that option? Does everybody really need to sit through four-six years of Jane Austen and chemistry labs, if they don't want to be a critic or a chemist? And most importantly -- why has the corporate business community completely abdicated their responsibility in training the workforce? There used to be this thing called "on-the-job-training" in this country. Whatever happened to that?
we are broke? did reagan know that when he cut taxes? how about w? were we broke with w put a trillion dollar war on the credit card AND cut taxes at the same time?
being broke does not bother me as much as it bothers some people. we have enough money for war. we have enough money for the piece of shit f-35 or whatever it is called, but we don't have money for roads, infrastructure, health care, and schools, let alone college. nobody ever says anything about that. there is always money for the military and pentagon and defense contractors. but never enough for security at embassies, ie benghazi.
not everyone come out with that high of debt. in 2000 i came out owing $48,000 for my bachelors and masters. that is even with a graduate assistant position that paid for my graduate tuition. the same education would cost a kid today nearly twice that. in a 15 year span. has then been anything that nearly doubles in cost aside from college?
you speak of insanely low interest rates. what source are you getting that from? a lot of students are paying 7% interest on their loans. that is hardly insanely low. why should people have to pay higher interest on college than they pay for their own home? is that fair? and once they graduate, they HAVE to start paying on them 6 months after they graduate. most people can't even find a job in 6 months. like the military, the lending institutions ALWAYS get their money. how is it fair for banks to make loans on those terms? they are saddling the people with the least money, broke ass college kids, with the worst terms for these loans. it is predatory if you ask me.
who is stigmatizing people who choose trade school? a lot of those graduates, assuming they find a job, come out making more money than your entry level college graduate position.
the corporate business community does not offer "on the job training" because that training costs them money. it is bad for the bottom line, know what i'm sayin'?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Seriously? Why does it bother me to pay for someone else to go to college? I went to college. I know what a waste of time it is. I'm in enough debt because of college.
Secondary education is one of the biggest scams this country has. There is no reason college tuition rates have tripled since I went to school. My worthless degree cost me about 40+k in debts. Why the hell should the tax payers have to take on that? I would rather pay for military defense and infrastructure.
Seriously? Why does it bother me to pay for someone else to go to college? I went to college. I know what a waste of time it is. I'm in enough debt because of college.
you sound like a bitter old man.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Secondary education is one of the biggest scams this country has. There is no reason college tuition rates have tripled since I went to school. My worthless degree cost me about 40+k in debts. Why the hell should the tax payers have to take on that? I would rather pay for military defense and infrastructure.
and why have college tuition costs tripled? it is all about money. everyone has their hands out. the school raises prices, the bigger the loans are, and the lenders make out like bandits on the interest. fund the schools so the kids go for free. let them get loans for books and housing. if tuition is waived they come out debt free or without crippling debt, and fuck the lenders.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Seriously? Why does it bother me to pay for someone else to go to college? I went to college. I know what a waste of time it is. I'm in enough debt because of college.
you sound like a bitter old man.
Well, if you spend any time on aet, you'll see that I am. But that's beside the point. I'm paying out enough welfare. I don't want to add college tuition to the list.
Seriously? Why does it bother me to pay for someone else to go to college? I went to college. I know what a waste of time it is. I'm in enough debt because of college.
Furthering this the first two years are really a waste and how many will go and never graduate. Heck percentage is horrible now. pssst no one defended MB.
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Godfather.
Careful with the personal shots.That kinda thing can be so easily misconstrued.Your better than that.
Btw,if you are going to try to break my balls at least pick a qoute of mine that is relevant to your retort.The one above was a sarcastic blurb addressed to the Fireman.
Now if you go back a ways Brian properly called me out on one that is relevant.note the tone of the back and forth and i think you will be enlightened by the spirit of these interactions.
But to answer your question no i was not in a coma.Thank you for inquiring.
Actually right now as a Bernie supporter she is public enemy number one, nothing would help my cause more than for her to fuck up in some major way. Deep down I secretly wish that Benghazi was a bigger deal so I could scold her for it and tell people not to vote for her because of it, but I can't because it not a valid reason.
Im a moderate with fiscal conservative leanings and I'm fairly liberal on social issues.
Moderate??? Phooey!!!!!!
I kid.
I do lean right for sure on buisness,economy and tax issues,but I'm pretty much common sense on everything else.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
In 2008, I actively campaigned for Obama, and that involved telling people with a straight face that he would not raise taxes on the middle class. Well, lo and behold, one year in office, and guess whose freaking taxes went up? Everybody's. The Bush tax cuts "expired," he said. Bullshit, Obama. You raised our taxes.
is it really fair for tuition to increase exponentially and then kids come out of school 100 grand in debt in this job market?
if nothing else, people will have another way to berate the younger generations when they talk about having to walk 30 miles to school in the snow, uphill both ways, AND had to pay for their own college.
it is about time we invest in people.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Godfather.
And because there are plenty of other ways to keep college costs down for everybody while still helping low-income students make their way through.
And because not everybody comes out with this inflammatory six-figure loan debt, a figure irresponsibly tossed about by certain politicians to get people fired up. Sure, some students do have that much debt -- the ones who *choose* to go to really expensive private schools and/or out of state and/or continue onto a post-graduate program -- but not everybody does. According to the Wall Street Journal, the average student loan debt of newly graduated students is currently $35,000. Huffington Post says it's $23,000. I just checked today to make sure I get the real facts. And with insanely low interest rates and flexible terms (deferments, etc.), the payments are manageable for people who make a financially responsible choice to invest in themselves.
Rather than scaring people into believing nobody can go to college unless the government pays the entire bill, I would prefer to frame the education debate this way: Why are states not providing more practical, less expensive options for students who want to learn a technical trade after high school? Why do we stigmatize those young people who choose that option? Does everybody really need to sit through four-six years of Jane Austen and chemistry labs, if they don't want to be a critic or a chemist? And most importantly -- why has the corporate business community completely abdicated their responsibility in training the workforce? There used to be this thing called "on-the-job-training" in this country. Whatever happened to that?
The professional career tracts are suffering and we do not want to go down a road where it is no longer profitable to study the higher levels of education.
Education comes from the top down, if we aren't cognizant of that, the effect will be felt in all facets of society.
being broke does not bother me as much as it bothers some people. we have enough money for war. we have enough money for the piece of shit f-35 or whatever it is called, but we don't have money for roads, infrastructure, health care, and schools, let alone college. nobody ever says anything about that. there is always money for the military and pentagon and defense contractors. but never enough for security at embassies, ie benghazi.
not everyone come out with that high of debt. in 2000 i came out owing $48,000 for my bachelors and masters. that is even with a graduate assistant position that paid for my graduate tuition. the same education would cost a kid today nearly twice that. in a 15 year span. has then been anything that nearly doubles in cost aside from college?
you speak of insanely low interest rates. what source are you getting that from? a lot of students are paying 7% interest on their loans. that is hardly insanely low. why should people have to pay higher interest on college than they pay for their own home? is that fair? and once they graduate, they HAVE to start paying on them 6 months after they graduate. most people can't even find a job in 6 months. like the military, the lending institutions ALWAYS get their money. how is it fair for banks to make loans on those terms? they are saddling the people with the least money, broke ass college kids, with the worst terms for these loans. it is predatory if you ask me.
who is stigmatizing people who choose trade school? a lot of those graduates, assuming they find a job, come out making more money than your entry level college graduate position.
the corporate business community does not offer "on the job training" because that training costs them money. it is bad for the bottom line, know what i'm sayin'?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."