The Debate

rr165892

It's not a hack job movie.Its a Michael Bay Blockbuster and it looks really good.Special Forces were held back when they were on Tarmac ready to deploy.Could of they made a difference? To be seen.
I'm not one who picks apart everything this admin has done.But I'm no cheerleader either.But when it comes foreign policy,it's their big week spot.Are we living in a safer world now then during last admin? No, not even close.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=4CJBuUwd0Os
Here is trailer to "13 Hours" movie

callen

Don't care to spend a trillion dollars and kill thousands for perceived safer world. I don't feel any more threatened in my neck of the woods than I did during last administration. will travel wherever I would've during last administration. Now every freakin yahoo having a gun due to gun lobby paying off politicians? Well different safety. Course we know which party plays to god and guns. Yee freak in haw.

As to movie, hell make it about the lies told to Americans to get us Into Iraq. Bengazi is nothing. But alas the only thing.

Course I don't have all the facts. I could be convinced though probably won't see this movie but look for confirmed facts. Like there weren't any fraakin WMD's.

Gern Blansten

Godfather. said:

Gern Blansten said:

Yeah he is saying what a lot of ignorant racists think but beyond that he's a laughing stock. That's why most of us are laughing at him.

I sincerely hope he gets the nomination or splits to a third party ticket. Both scenarios will guarantee a Democrat in the white house.

sure......a dem ? havent we had enough of dem's and repub's ? both of those parties have fucked us to death, so yea lets get another dem in office and he can finish running this country into the ground.....where obama left off.

Godfather.

Yeah you say that all the time too. The GOP mantra is that the country is falling apart and we need saving.

All indices say otherwise.

Gern Blansten

rr165892 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Godfather. said:

Gern Blansten said:

Yeah he is saying what a lot of ignorant racists think but beyond that he's a laughing stock. That's why most of us are laughing at him.

I sincerely hope he gets the nomination or splits to a third party ticket. Both scenarios will guarantee a Democrat in the white house.

sure......a dem ? havent we had enough of dem's and repub's ? both of those parties have fucked us to death, so yea lets get another dem in office and he can finish running this country into the ground.....where obama left off.

Godfather.

but obama has not run the country into the ground. don't you see that?

republicans are misinformed on this for one of two reasons. 1. they are brainwashed by right wing media or 2. they realize that obama has been the president that republicans wish george w bush had been.

imagine what he could have done if he had a congress that had at least an inkling of attempting to support him in any way.

Gimme,I saw a preview for what looks like a very intense new movie that comes out this fall about Bengazi.Its not going to be a glowing recommendation to the Administrations handling of this blunder.

I fail to see the controversy with Benghazi. Five people were killed in the recruitment center shooting right here in our own county. Four people were killed halfway across the world in Benghazi in a terrorist attack and you people can't stop harping about it.

A CIA base was attacked. There was little that could be done to stop it. Multiple GOP investigations have already confirmed this.

Gern Blansten

Last-12-Exit said:

callen said:

rr165892 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Godfather. said:

Gern Blansten said:

Yeah he is saying what a lot of ignorant racists think but beyond that he's a laughing stock. That's why most of us are laughing at him.

I sincerely hope he gets the nomination or splits to a third party ticket. Both scenarios will guarantee a Democrat in the white house.

sure......a dem ? havent we had enough of dem's and repub's ? both of those parties have fucked us to death, so yea lets get another dem in office and he can finish running this country into the ground.....where obama left off.

Godfather.

but obama has not run the country into the ground. don't you see that?

republicans are misinformed on this for one of two reasons. 1. they are brainwashed by right wing media or 2. they realize that obama has been the president that republicans wish george w bush had been.

imagine what he could have done if he had a congress that had at least an inkling of attempting to support him in any way.

Gimme,I saw a preview for what looks like a very intense new movie that comes out this fall about Bengazi.Its not going to be a glowing recommendation to the Administrations handling of this blunder.

I don't get the Blunder. Some people attacked US embasy and some Americans died. That's it. You can second guess security levels but could do that for any event where people died. Please explain the blunder.

If I'm not mistaken, those people that died were warned of an impending attack and asked the government for backup support. That request was denied. I believe that is the blunder.

Incorrect. The decision was made that sending more security would just result in more dead bodies. They didn't know what they were up against and they had little available resources to assist.

rr165892

callen said:

Don't care to spend a trillion dollars and kill thousands for perceived safer world. I don't feel any more threatened in my neck of the woods than I did during last administration. will travel wherever I would've during last administration. Now every freakin yahoo having a gun due to gun lobby paying off politicians? Well different safety. Course we know which party plays to god and guns. Yee freak in haw.

As to movie, hell make it about the lies told to Americans to get us Into Iraq. Bengazi is nothing. But alas the only thing.

Course I don't have all the facts. I could be convinced though probably won't see this movie but look for confirmed facts. Like there weren't any fraakin WMD's.

The movie about lies in Iraq was the Damon flick Green Zone.It was well done.

rr165892

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Godfather. said:

Gern Blansten said:

Yeah he is saying what a lot of ignorant racists think but beyond that he's a laughing stock. That's why most of us are laughing at him.

I sincerely hope he gets the nomination or splits to a third party ticket. Both scenarios will guarantee a Democrat in the white house.

sure......a dem ? havent we had enough of dem's and repub's ? both of those parties have fucked us to death, so yea lets get another dem in office and he can finish running this country into the ground.....where obama left off.

Godfather.

but obama has not run the country into the ground. don't you see that?

republicans are misinformed on this for one of two reasons. 1. they are brainwashed by right wing media or 2. they realize that obama has been the president that republicans wish george w bush had been.

imagine what he could have done if he had a congress that had at least an inkling of attempting to support him in any way.

Gimme,I saw a preview for what looks like a very intense new movie that comes out this fall about Bengazi.Its not going to be a glowing recommendation to the Administrations handling of this blunder.

I fail to see the controversy with Benghazi. Five people were killed in the recruitment center shooting right here in our own county. Four people were killed halfway across the world in Benghazi in a terrorist attack and you people can't stop harping about it.

A CIA base was attacked. There was little that could be done to stop it. Multiple GOP investigations have already confirmed this.

"You people can't stop harping about it" Wtf Gern?

By "you people "do you mean Americans,or independents or non democrat, kool aid drinking mother fuckers? Which is it?

I'm not ok with American sovereign ground being attacked.If 1 dies or 1000,here at home or abroad.Its not ok.Thats fine if you see no wrong here your entitled to that.But Minimizing the situation does not give this Admin a pass.

Gern Blansten

rr165892 said:

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Godfather. said:

Gern Blansten said:

Yeah he is saying what a lot of ignorant racists think but beyond that he's a laughing stock. That's why most of us are laughing at him.

I sincerely hope he gets the nomination or splits to a third party ticket. Both scenarios will guarantee a Democrat in the white house.

sure......a dem ? havent we had enough of dem's and repub's ? both of those parties have fucked us to death, so yea lets get another dem in office and he can finish running this country into the ground.....where obama left off.

Godfather.

but obama has not run the country into the ground. don't you see that?

republicans are misinformed on this for one of two reasons. 1. they are brainwashed by right wing media or 2. they realize that obama has been the president that republicans wish george w bush had been.

imagine what he could have done if he had a congress that had at least an inkling of attempting to support him in any way.

Gimme,I saw a preview for what looks like a very intense new movie that comes out this fall about Bengazi.Its not going to be a glowing recommendation to the Administrations handling of this blunder.

I fail to see the controversy with Benghazi. Five people were killed in the recruitment center shooting right here in our own county. Four people were killed halfway across the world in Benghazi in a terrorist attack and you people can't stop harping about it.

A CIA base was attacked. There was little that could be done to stop it. Multiple GOP investigations have already confirmed this.

"You people can't stop harping about it" Wtf Gern?

By "you people "do you mean Americans,or independents or non democrat, kool aid drinking mother fuckers? Which is it?

I'm not ok with American sovereign ground being attacked.If 1 dies or 1000,here at home or abroad.Its not ok.Thats fine if you see no wrong here your entitled to that.But Minimizing the situation does not give this Admin a pass.

"You people" = people who are too consumed by Faux News that they can't discern fact from fiction.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/transcript-hillary-clinton-takes-responsibility-benghazi-attack-article-1.1246025

Hillary accepted responsibility for it. Please read the link.

"That’s why Chris Stevens went to Benghazi in the first place. I asked him to go. During the beginning of the revolution against Qadhafi, we needed somebody in Benghazi who could begin to build bridges with the insurgents and to begin to demonstrate that America would stand against Qadhafi. Nobody knew the dangers or the opportunities better than Chris, first during the revolution, then during the transition. A weak Libyan Government, marauding militias, even terrorist groups; a bomb exploded in the parking lot of his hotel. He never wavered. He never asked to come home. He never said, “Let’s shut it down, quit, and go somewhere else.” Because he understood it was critical for America to be represented in that place at that pivotal time."

rr165892

I'm not a Fox News watcher,a religious whacko or a republican.I can tell fact from fiction just fine.This isn't about the why we were there,or who sent Stevens.it's about the attack and our poor response.

rr165892

I'm also aware of the shit show the neo cons were trying to fabricate.Thats not truthful either.

Godfather.

rr this place politically is as soft as a sneaker full of shit, they won't ever see the reality of anything without pointing the fickle finger somewhere else ...not all but many.

Godfather.

Last-12-Exit

I'm certainly not consumed with Fox news. In fact, I rarely watch it. But that doesn't mean I have to think what happened in Benghazi is ok. Obama and Clinton let those people die. Your version of what happened doesn't sound accurate. At best, it's minimizing what happened. But that's ok.

Gern Blansten

Last-12-Exit said:

I'm certainly not consumed with Fox news. In fact, I rarely watch it. But that doesn't mean I have to think what happened in Benghazi is ok. Obama and Clinton let those people die. Your version of what happened doesn't sound accurate. At best, it's minimizing what happened. But that's ok.

I'm not saying it's ok. I'm saying they were casualties of terrorism that most likely couldn't have been prevented. If not for a few lucky mortar rounds there would have only been two deaths.

Is Benghazi being investigating more than similar attacks under GOP presidents?

http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/ronald-reagans-benghazi

241 killed in Beirut...was that Reagan's Benghazi? No.....

rr165892

Different time and circumstances

callen

rr165892 said:

I'm not a Fox News watcher,a religious whacko or a republican.I can tell fact from fiction just fine.This isn't about the why we were there,or who sent Stevens.it's about the attack and our poor response.

Well we weren't able to predict what may happen. Our country gets attacked all the time. It's a dangerous place. Shit happens unfortunately. This isn't a Hillary thing. Agreed?

Now as to response like to hear more.

I doubt that anyone in Obama's or hilliaries circle were malicious. Hell they care for the troops more than those that supposedly support them.

So I can't see this Bengazi thing as anything but attempting to discredit. And folks say must be a Faux thing because it appears to be a bit far fetched.

Gern Blansten

Last-12-Exit said:

I'm certainly not consumed with Fox news. In fact, I rarely watch it. But that doesn't mean I have to think what happened in Benghazi is ok. Obama and Clinton let those people die. Your version of what happened doesn't sound accurate. At best, it's minimizing what happened. But that's ok.

How exactly did Obama and Clinton "let those people die?"

Last-12-Exit

Gern Blansten said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I'm certainly not consumed with Fox news. In fact, I rarely watch it. But that doesn't mean I have to think what happened in Benghazi is ok. Obama and Clinton let those people die. Your version of what happened doesn't sound accurate. At best, it's minimizing what happened. But that's ok.

How exactly did Obama and Clinton "let those people die?"

By not acting on the request for reinforcements or support when they knew an attack was imminent.

rr165892

That is also my issue

rr165892

callen said:

rr165892 said:

I'm not a Fox News watcher,a religious whacko or a republican.I can tell fact from fiction just fine.This isn't about the why we were there,or who sent Stevens.it's about the attack and our poor response.

Well we weren't able to predict what may happen. Our country gets attacked all the time. It's a dangerous place. Shit happens unfortunately. This isn't a Hillary thing. Agreed?

Now as to response like to hear more.

I doubt that anyone in Obama's or hilliaries circle were malicious. Hell they care for the troops more than those that supposedly support them.

So I can't see this Bengazi thing as anything but attempting to discredit. And folks say must be a Faux thing because it appears to be a bit far fetched.

I'm not blaming Hillary directly.Im lumping the entire admin as neglectful in this matter.They new problems were imminent,and failed to properly adjust to threat.

Gern Blansten

Last-12-Exit said:

Gern Blansten said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I'm certainly not consumed with Fox news. In fact, I rarely watch it. But that doesn't mean I have to think what happened in Benghazi is ok. Obama and Clinton let those people die. Your version of what happened doesn't sound accurate. At best, it's minimizing what happened. But that's ok.

How exactly did Obama and Clinton "let those people die?"

By not acting on the request for reinforcements or support when they knew an attack was imminent.

And what is your source for that? What information did they have that told them an attack was imminent?