Most of us watched it for entertainment and information, obviously...
Ya think, gambo? Surely it can't be that simple.
(anyway, I caught a nice buzz in the process )
I want to hear all of the candidates state their views, see whether or not they speak and act with grace and candor, understand where their (in)tolerances lie, among other things.
Baaaa!
I didn't elaborate, but the buzz fell under entertainment and the rest was the info lol
You got me on semantics. One unnamed "official" is saying Stevens turned down extra security twice. Has this been confirmed by anyone else other than this unnamed official? I'm not a fan of Lindsay Graham, but he makes a good point in the second article you posted.
"One of the most outspoken critics, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), told McClatchy that he found it “odd” that Stevens wouldn’t want additional military assets.
“That is odd to me because Stevens requested from the State Department additional security four times, and there was an 18-person special forces security team headed by Lt. Col. Wood that Gen. Ham signed off on that the State Department said no to,” Graham told McClatchy.
You got me on semantics. One unnamed "official" is saying Stevens turned down extra security twice. Has this been confirmed by anyone else other than this unnamed official? I'm not a fan of Lindsay Graham, but he makes a good point in the second article you posted.
"One of the most outspoken critics, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), told McClatchy that he found it “odd” that Stevens wouldn’t want additional military assets.
“That is odd to me because Stevens requested from the State Department additional security four times, and there was an 18-person special forces security team headed by Lt. Col. Wood that Gen. Ham signed off on that the State Department said no to,” Graham told McClatchy.
"Shortly after the cable was sent, Stevens spoke by phone with Army Gen. Carter Ham, the then-chief of the U.S. Africa Command, who offered assistance, but Stevens refused the offer.
Stevens again turned down the offer from Ham when the two met for a previously scheduled meeting in Germany a few weeks later."
Ok, what assistance was general ham offering? Seriously. This statement does not state general ham said this. It also sounds like an unnamed official reporting general ham spoke to Stevens.
Scott,Hillary can do no wrong.Get this thru your head.This admin is the best ever.Everything is Bushs fault.Im sure Bengahzi really is all about lies about WMDs.If you do not fall lockstep inline you must be A Fox News republican conservative rascist.Havent you been paying attention!
I'm certainly not consumed with Fox news. In fact, I rarely watch it. But that doesn't mean I have to think what happened in Benghazi is ok. Obama and Clinton let those people die. Your version of what happened doesn't sound accurate. At best, it's minimizing what happened. But that's ok.
How exactly did Obama and Clinton "let those people die?"
By not acting on the request for reinforcements or support when they knew an attack was imminent.
You Libs really can't admit that one of your poster children has done anything wrong.You do realize that's as detrimental to the process as the weirdo neo cons right? This again does more to divide then bring together.Which is what's wrong in Washington to begin with.
You Libs really can't admit that one of your poster children has done anything wrong.You do realize that's as detrimental to the process as the weirdo neo cons right? This again does more to divide then bring together.Which is what's wrong in Washington to begin with.
I do agree, rr, that it's difficult for any of us to be critical of people we generally admire, although doing so when appropriate is actually a good thing. However, and I'll give this some thought, right off the top of my head I can't think of any of the "libs" here who have been 100% behind any "poster children". That might be a tad bit hyperbole, yes?
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
You Libs really can't admit that one of your poster children has done anything wrong.You do realize that's as detrimental to the process as the weirdo neo cons right? This again does more to divide then bring together.Which is what's wrong in Washington to begin with.
i have said obama has been wrong about a lot of things. i have said clinton has been wrong about some things.
the fact remains, several congressional investigations and hearings have turned up that she did nothing wrong. repeatedly said that she did nothing wrong. repeatedly said she did nothing wrong. back and to the left. back and to the left, back and to the left, BACK and to the left...
seriously. how much money and time is congress going to waste beating the shit out of this dead horse? i called issa personally to ask him and his staffer hung up on me.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
You Libs really can't admit that one of your poster children has done anything wrong.You do realize that's as detrimental to the process as the weirdo neo cons right? This again does more to divide then bring together.Which is what's wrong in Washington to begin with.
I don't care for her at all, but the whole Benghazi deal has been so inflated and best to death, it is almost as tired as the truther baloney.
You Libs really can't admit that one of your poster children has done anything wrong.You do realize that's as detrimental to the process as the weirdo neo cons right? This again does more to divide then bring together.Which is what's wrong in Washington to begin with.
I do agree, rr, that it's difficult for any of us to be critical of people we generally admire, although doing so when appropriate is actually a good thing. However, and I'll give this some thought, right off the top of my head I can't think of any of the "libs" here who have been 100% behind any "poster children". That might be a tad bit hyperbole, yes?
You Libs really can't admit that one of your poster children has done anything wrong.You do realize that's as detrimental to the process as the weirdo neo cons right? This again does more to divide then bring together.Which is what's wrong in Washington to begin with.
I do agree, rr, that it's difficult for any of us to be critical of people we generally admire, although doing so when appropriate is actually a good thing. However, and I'll give this some thought, right off the top of my head I can't think of any of the "libs" here who have been 100% behind any "poster children". That might be a tad bit hyperbole, yes?
Indeed Brian.haha
Not that I've ever done that... LOL!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
You Libs really can't admit that one of your poster children has done anything wrong.You do realize that's as detrimental to the process as the weirdo neo cons right? This again does more to divide then bring together.Which is what's wrong in Washington to begin with.
I can admit it. Hillary took responsibility for Benghazi....read her testimony.
The problem is that you don't know enough about Benghazi to be so outraged. Even with additional security it is likely that the death toll would have been higher. WOuld you still be bitching about Benghazi if the additional security had been provided and 20 people were killed?
Did you ever read the timeline of the event? Do you realize that over 30 people got away from there unharmed?
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You Libs really can't admit that one of your poster children has done anything wrong.You do realize that's as detrimental to the process as the weirdo neo cons right? This again does more to divide then bring together.Which is what's wrong in Washington to begin with.
I can admit it. Hillary took responsibility for Benghazi....read her testimony.
The problem is that you don't know enough about Benghazi to be so outraged. Even with additional security it is likely that the death toll would have been higher. WOuld you still be bitching about Benghazi if the additional security had been provided and 20 people were killed?
Did you ever read the timeline of the event? Do you realize that over 30 people got away from there unharmed?
Your response backs up what I said above.
I have read the timeline numerous times.Ive also said I don't blame Hillary as an individual.I also agree that this admin did not break the law or do something immoral.Ive said that the neo cons were pulling at the wrong straws and making it political on their end.
Their mistake was in leveraging the safety of others to give the perception that additional security was not needed.They wanted a certain political aspect and did so while not addressing the known threat.The knowingly kept to security force small as to not show the threat for what it was. Yeah many people survived,but if we had more Marines protecting those interests maybe,just Maybe more people would be alive and we may not of lost the compound.
I don't think that anyone is saying that the administration didn't fuck up. The point is if that is the biggest blemish on an eight year run then I think we did pretty good. Lets say for comparisons sake, the negligence of the Obama administration cost us five lives in the Middle East, while the arrogance and greed of the Bush administration cost us thousands of lives in the Middle East.
I don't think that anyone is saying that the administration didn't fuck up. The point is if that is the biggest blemish on an eight year run then I think we did pretty good. Lets say for comparisons sake, the negligence of the Obama administration cost us five lives in the Middle East, while the arrogance and greed of the Bush administration cost us thousands of lives in the Middle East.
Exactly....
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Scott,Hillary can do no wrong.Get this thru your head.This admin is the best ever.Everything is Bushs fault.Im sure Bengahzi really is all about lies about WMDs.If you do not fall lockstep inline you must be A Fox News republican conservative rascist.Havent you been paying attention!
No there was no imminent attack. Could argue every installation could use more security.
Yes mistakes were made as they have in other terrorist attacks.
Was no malice. It's only being talked about due to Clinton running.
I can't believe our only options in 2016 will be Bush and Clinton, again.
It really shows the power grip the illuminati has on the untied states. Since 1992, we have had a bush or Clinton in office for 16 years. Longer if you account for when GB senior headed the CIA - all the way back to the Kennedy Days. Sad world.
My theory is this. I have two shirts, a red and a blue shirt. I'm giving you a "choice" of the two shirts. You're "free" to vote for who you want.
But at the end of the day, I am the one still controlling your "choice"
Pair that with the fact that the president is decided by electoral votes only, and not the popular vote, it shows just how much "freedom of choice" we really have.
That's why I am voting trump. Most don't even realize he is there to deflect the fact that it's Clinton and bush again. He is there to make the others "look better" compared to him. Same way they pulled in Sarah Palin to guarantee Obama would win. Same tactics.
I can't believe our only options in 2016 will be Bush and Clinton, again.
It really shows the power grip the illuminati has on the untied states. Since 1992, we have had a bush or Clinton in office for 16 years. Longer if you account for when GB senior headed the CIA - all the way back to the Kennedy Days. Sad world.
My theory is this. I have two shirts, a red and a blue shirt. I'm giving you a "choice" of the two shirts. You're "free" to vote for who you want.
But at the end of the day, I am the one still controlling your "choice"
Pair that with the fact that the president is decided by electoral votes only, and not the popular vote, it shows just how much "freedom of choice" we really have.
That's why I am voting trump. Most don't even realize he is there to deflect the fact that it's Clinton and bush again. He is there to make the others "look better" compared to him. Same way they pulled in Sarah Palin to guarantee Obama would win. Same tactics.
If he is part of the boogeyman Illuminati scheme why would you vote for him?
I can't believe our only options in 2016 will be Bush and Clinton, again.
It really shows the power grip the illuminati has on the untied states. Since 1992, we have had a bush or Clinton in office for 16 years. Longer if you account for when GB senior headed the CIA - all the way back to the Kennedy Days. Sad world.
My theory is this. I have two shirts, a red and a blue shirt. I'm giving you a "choice" of the two shirts. You're "free" to vote for who you want.
But at the end of the day, I am the one still controlling your "choice"
Pair that with the fact that the president is decided by electoral votes only, and not the popular vote, it shows just how much "freedom of choice" we really have.
That's why I am voting trump. Most don't even realize he is there to deflect the fact that it's Clinton and bush again. He is there to make the others "look better" compared to him. Same way they pulled in Sarah Palin to guarantee Obama would win. Same tactics.
If he is part of the boogeyman Illuminati scheme why would you vote for him?
Better him, someone with morals and dignity, than another spawn of the two most powerful families in the country.
I love how you ignore everything else I said and try and make fun of me yet again. The bullying continues. Seems to happen when I make a real point no one has anything to say but to try and make fun of me. Must make you feel better.
I can't believe our only options in 2016 will be Bush and Clinton, again.
It really shows the power grip the illuminati has on the untied states. Since 1992, we have had a bush or Clinton in office for 16 years. Longer if you account for when GB senior headed the CIA - all the way back to the Kennedy Days. Sad world.
My theory is this. I have two shirts, a red and a blue shirt. I'm giving you a "choice" of the two shirts. You're "free" to vote for who you want.
But at the end of the day, I am the one still controlling your "choice"
Pair that with the fact that the president is decided by electoral votes only, and not the popular vote, it shows just how much "freedom of choice" we really have.
That's why I am voting trump. Most don't even realize he is there to deflect the fact that it's Clinton and bush again. He is there to make the others "look better" compared to him. Same way they pulled in Sarah Palin to guarantee Obama would win. Same tactics.
If he is part of the boogeyman Illuminati scheme why would you vote for him?
Better him, someone with morals and dignity, than another spawn of the two most powerful families in the country.
I love how you ignore everything else I said and try and make fun of me yet again. The bullying continues. Seems to happen when I make a real point no one has anything to say but to try and make fun of me. Must make you feel better.
Gotta get in that 2 minute hate once a day!
But if Trump wins the nomination, or if he splits and becomes an Independent, that will insure a Clinton victory. According to your theory, it sure sounds like Trump is playing the same role as Palin this time around. He's being put up to make sure that Clinton wins. What is the difference?
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
Scott,Hillary can do no wrong.Get this thru your head.This admin is the best ever.Everything is Bushs fault.Im sure Bengahzi really is all about lies about WMDs.If you do not fall lockstep inline you must be A Fox News republican conservative rascist.Havent you been paying attention!
Way to generalize all liberals as those who love anyone with a D next to their name. SMH Were you in a coma when democrats hated Hillary in 08 and preferred Obama or are you really that goddamn ignorant?
You Libs really can't admit that one of your poster children has done anything wrong.You do realize that's as detrimental to the process as the weirdo neo cons right? This again does more to divide then bring together.Which is what's wrong in Washington to begin with.
I do agree, rr, that it's difficult for any of us to be critical of people we generally admire, although doing so when appropriate is actually a good thing. However, and I'll give this some thought, right off the top of my head I can't think of any of the "libs" here who have been 100% behind any "poster children". That might be a tad bit hyperbole, yes?
I can attest to that as a converted green partier who hates Hillary and DINO Monsantobama.
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General Ham is the source.
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Stevens again turned down the offer from Ham when the two met for a previously scheduled meeting in Germany a few weeks later."
Ok, what assistance was general ham offering? Seriously. This statement does not state general ham said this. It also sounds like an unnamed official reporting general ham spoke to Stevens.
GOP did not provide the amount of money for embassy security that obama administration had requested. there is some culpability there.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
the fact remains, several congressional investigations and hearings have turned up that she did nothing wrong. repeatedly said that she did nothing wrong. repeatedly said she did nothing wrong. back and to the left. back and to the left, back and to the left, BACK and to the left...
seriously. how much money and time is congress going to waste beating the shit out of this dead horse? i called issa personally to ask him and his staffer hung up on me.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
http://www.salon.com/2015/08/11/donald_trump_supporters_reportedly_flooded_megyn_kelly_with_death_threats_following_debate/
The problem is that you don't know enough about Benghazi to be so outraged. Even with additional security it is likely that the death toll would have been higher. WOuld you still be bitching about Benghazi if the additional security had been provided and 20 people were killed?
Did you ever read the timeline of the event? Do you realize that over 30 people got away from there unharmed?
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
I have read the timeline numerous times.Ive also said I don't blame Hillary as an individual.I also agree that this admin did not break the law or do something immoral.Ive said that the neo cons were pulling at the wrong straws and making it political on their end.
Their mistake was in leveraging the safety of others to give the perception that additional security was not needed.They wanted a certain political aspect and did so while not addressing the known threat.The knowingly kept to security force small as to not show the threat for what it was.
Yeah many people survived,but if we had more Marines protecting those interests maybe,just Maybe more people would be alive and we may not of lost the compound.
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Yes mistakes were made as they have in other terrorist attacks.
Was no malice. It's only being talked about due to Clinton running.
It really shows the power grip the illuminati has on the untied states. Since 1992, we have had a bush or Clinton in office for 16 years. Longer if you account for when GB senior headed the CIA - all the way back to the Kennedy Days. Sad world.
My theory is this. I have two shirts, a red and a blue shirt. I'm giving you a "choice" of the two shirts. You're "free" to vote for who you want.
But at the end of the day, I am the one still controlling your "choice"
Pair that with the fact that the president is decided by electoral votes only, and not the popular vote, it shows just how much "freedom of choice" we really have.
That's why I am voting trump. Most don't even realize he is there to deflect the fact that it's Clinton and bush again. He is there to make the others "look better" compared to him. Same way they pulled in Sarah Palin to guarantee Obama would win. Same tactics.
I love how you ignore everything else I said and try and make fun of me yet again. The bullying continues. Seems to happen when I make a real point no one has anything to say but to try and make fun of me. Must make you feel better.
Gotta get in that 2 minute hate once a day!