The Debate

gimmesometruth27

rr165892 said:

You Libs really can't admit that one of your poster children has done anything wrong.You do realize that's as detrimental to the process as the weirdo neo cons right? This again does more to divide then bring together.Which is what's wrong in Washington to begin with.

i have said obama has been wrong about a lot of things. i have said clinton has been wrong about some things.

the fact remains, several congressional investigations and hearings have turned up that she did nothing wrong. repeatedly said that she did nothing wrong. repeatedly said she did nothing wrong. back and to the left. back and to the left, back and to the left, BACK and to the left...

seriously. how much money and time is congress going to waste beating the shit out of this dead horse? i called issa personally to ask him and his staffer hung up on me.

rgambs

rr165892 said:

You Libs really can't admit that one of your poster children has done anything wrong.You do realize that's as detrimental to the process as the weirdo neo cons right? This again does more to divide then bring together.Which is what's wrong in Washington to begin with.

I don't care for her at all, but the whole Benghazi deal has been so inflated and best to death, it is almost as tired as the truther baloney.

rgambs

Shawshank said:

rgambs said:

Hahaha don't be so sure of that, there are millions of people who would vote for ANYONE rather than a Republican.

While I can appreciate the idiocy of those that would vote for her no matter what, I would be willing to bet almost any amount of money she'd lose.

That is the thought process that predominated the last election and Romney got spanked.

Shawshank

rgambs said:

That is the thought process that predominated the last election and Romney got spanked.

He should have. Obama was the better candidate.

rgambs

Shawshank said:

rgambs said:

That is the thought process that predominated the last election and Romney got spanked.

He should have. Obama was the better candidate.

I agree, but how can you think that and also think Trump could beat Hilary?

rr165892

brianlux said:

rr165892 said:

You Libs really can't admit that one of your poster children has done anything wrong.You do realize that's as detrimental to the process as the weirdo neo cons right? This again does more to divide then bring together.Which is what's wrong in Washington to begin with.

I do agree, rr, that it's difficult for any of us to be critical of people we generally admire, although doing so when appropriate is actually a good thing. However, and I'll give this some thought, right off the top of my head I can't think of any of the "libs" here who have been 100% behind any "poster children". That might be a tad bit hyperbole, yes?

Indeed Brian.haha

brianlux

rr165892 said:

brianlux said:

rr165892 said:

You Libs really can't admit that one of your poster children has done anything wrong.You do realize that's as detrimental to the process as the weirdo neo cons right? This again does more to divide then bring together.Which is what's wrong in Washington to begin with.

I do agree, rr, that it's difficult for any of us to be critical of people we generally admire, although doing so when appropriate is actually a good thing. However, and I'll give this some thought, right off the top of my head I can't think of any of the "libs" here who have been 100% behind any "poster children". That might be a tad bit hyperbole, yes?

Indeed Brian.haha

Not that I've ever done that... LOL!

oftenreading

Anyone really surprised that Trump, and his supporters, would respond this way?

http://www.salon.com/2015/08/11/donald_trump_supporters_reportedly_flooded_megyn_kelly_with_death_threats_following_debate/

Gern Blansten

rr165892 said:

You Libs really can't admit that one of your poster children has done anything wrong.You do realize that's as detrimental to the process as the weirdo neo cons right? This again does more to divide then bring together.Which is what's wrong in Washington to begin with.

I can admit it. Hillary took responsibility for Benghazi....read her testimony.

The problem is that you don't know enough about Benghazi to be so outraged. Even with additional security it is likely that the death toll would have been higher. WOuld you still be bitching about Benghazi if the additional security had been provided and 20 people were killed?

Did you ever read the timeline of the event? Do you realize that over 30 people got away from there unharmed?

rr165892

little drama keeps it fresh

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

You Libs really can't admit that one of your poster children has done anything wrong.You do realize that's as detrimental to the process as the weirdo neo cons right? This again does more to divide then bring together.Which is what's wrong in Washington to begin with.

I can admit it. Hillary took responsibility for Benghazi....read her testimony.

The problem is that you don't know enough about Benghazi to be so outraged. Even with additional security it is likely that the death toll would have been higher. WOuld you still be bitching about Benghazi if the additional security had been provided and 20 people were killed?

Did you ever read the timeline of the event? Do you realize that over 30 people got away from there unharmed?

Your response backs up what I said above.

I have read the timeline numerous times.Ive also said I don't blame Hillary as an individual.I also agree that this admin did not break the law or do something immoral.Ive said that the neo cons were pulling at the wrong straws and making it political on their end.

Their mistake was in leveraging the safety of others to give the perception that additional security was not needed.They wanted a certain political aspect and did so while not addressing the known threat.The knowingly kept to security force small as to not show the threat for what it was.
Yeah many people survived,but if we had more Marines protecting those interests maybe,just Maybe more people would be alive and we may not of lost the compound.

Gern Blansten

OR...more Marines would be dead.

RiotZact

I don't think that anyone is saying that the administration didn't fuck up. The point is if that is the biggest blemish on an eight year run then I think we did pretty good. Lets say for comparisons sake, the negligence of the Obama administration cost us five lives in the Middle East, while the arrogance and greed of the Bush administration cost us thousands of lives in the Middle East.

Gern Blansten

RiotZact said:

I don't think that anyone is saying that the administration didn't fuck up. The point is if that is the biggest blemish on an eight year run then I think we did pretty good. Lets say for comparisons sake, the negligence of the Obama administration cost us five lives in the Middle East, while the arrogance and greed of the Bush administration cost us thousands of lives in the Middle East.

Exactly....

callen

rr165892 said:

Scott,Hillary can do no wrong.Get this thru your head.This admin is the best ever.Everything is Bushs fault.Im sure Bengahzi really is all about lies about WMDs.If you do not fall lockstep inline you must be A Fox News republican conservative rascist.Havent you been paying attention!

No there was no imminent attack. Could argue every installation could use more security.

Yes mistakes were made as they have in other terrorist attacks.

Was no malice. It's only being talked about due to Clinton running.

JUST A GIRL

I can't believe our only options in 2016 will be Bush and Clinton, again.

It really shows the power grip the illuminati has on the untied states. Since 1992, we have had a bush or Clinton in office for 16 years. Longer if you account for when GB senior headed the CIA - all the way back to the Kennedy Days. Sad world.

My theory is this. I have two shirts, a red and a blue shirt. I'm giving you a "choice" of the two shirts. You're "free" to vote for who you want.

But at the end of the day, I am the one still controlling your "choice"

Pair that with the fact that the president is decided by electoral votes only, and not the popular vote, it shows just how much "freedom of choice" we really have.

That's why I am voting trump. Most don't even realize he is there to deflect the fact that it's Clinton and bush again. He is there to make the others "look better" compared to him. Same way they pulled in Sarah Palin to guarantee Obama would win. Same tactics.

rgambs

JUST A GIRL said:

I can't believe our only options in 2016 will be Bush and Clinton, again.

It really shows the power grip the illuminati has on the untied states. Since 1992, we have had a bush or Clinton in office for 16 years. Longer if you account for when GB senior headed the CIA - all the way back to the Kennedy Days. Sad world.

My theory is this. I have two shirts, a red and a blue shirt. I'm giving you a "choice" of the two shirts. You're "free" to vote for who you want.

But at the end of the day, I am the one still controlling your "choice"

Pair that with the fact that the president is decided by electoral votes only, and not the popular vote, it shows just how much "freedom of choice" we really have.

That's why I am voting trump. Most don't even realize he is there to deflect the fact that it's Clinton and bush again. He is there to make the others "look better" compared to him. Same way they pulled in Sarah Palin to guarantee Obama would win. Same tactics.

If he is part of the boogeyman Illuminati scheme why would you vote for him?

JUST A GIRL

rgambs said:

JUST A GIRL said:

I can't believe our only options in 2016 will be Bush and Clinton, again.

It really shows the power grip the illuminati has on the untied states. Since 1992, we have had a bush or Clinton in office for 16 years. Longer if you account for when GB senior headed the CIA - all the way back to the Kennedy Days. Sad world.

My theory is this. I have two shirts, a red and a blue shirt. I'm giving you a "choice" of the two shirts. You're "free" to vote for who you want.

But at the end of the day, I am the one still controlling your "choice"

Pair that with the fact that the president is decided by electoral votes only, and not the popular vote, it shows just how much "freedom of choice" we really have.

That's why I am voting trump. Most don't even realize he is there to deflect the fact that it's Clinton and bush again. He is there to make the others "look better" compared to him. Same way they pulled in Sarah Palin to guarantee Obama would win. Same tactics.

If he is part of the boogeyman Illuminati scheme why would you vote for him?

Better him, someone with morals and dignity, than another spawn of the two most powerful families in the country.

I love how you ignore everything else I said and try and make fun of me yet again. The bullying continues. Seems to happen when I make a real point no one has anything to say but to try and make fun of me. Must make you feel better.

Gotta get in that 2 minute hate once a day!

jeffbr

JUST A GIRL said:

rgambs said:

JUST A GIRL said:

I can't believe our only options in 2016 will be Bush and Clinton, again.

It really shows the power grip the illuminati has on the untied states. Since 1992, we have had a bush or Clinton in office for 16 years. Longer if you account for when GB senior headed the CIA - all the way back to the Kennedy Days. Sad world.

My theory is this. I have two shirts, a red and a blue shirt. I'm giving you a "choice" of the two shirts. You're "free" to vote for who you want.

But at the end of the day, I am the one still controlling your "choice"

Pair that with the fact that the president is decided by electoral votes only, and not the popular vote, it shows just how much "freedom of choice" we really have.

That's why I am voting trump. Most don't even realize he is there to deflect the fact that it's Clinton and bush again. He is there to make the others "look better" compared to him. Same way they pulled in Sarah Palin to guarantee Obama would win. Same tactics.

If he is part of the boogeyman Illuminati scheme why would you vote for him?

Better him, someone with morals and dignity, than another spawn of the two most powerful families in the country.

I love how you ignore everything else I said and try and make fun of me yet again. The bullying continues. Seems to happen when I make a real point no one has anything to say but to try and make fun of me. Must make you feel better.

Gotta get in that 2 minute hate once a day!

But if Trump wins the nomination, or if he splits and becomes an Independent, that will insure a Clinton victory. According to your theory, it sure sounds like Trump is playing the same role as Palin this time around. He's being put up to make sure that Clinton wins. What is the difference?

InHiding80

rr165892 said:

Scott,Hillary can do no wrong.Get this thru your head.This admin is the best ever.Everything is Bushs fault.Im sure Bengahzi really is all about lies about WMDs.If you do not fall lockstep inline you must be A Fox News republican conservative rascist.Havent you been paying attention!

Way to generalize all liberals as those who love anyone with a D next to their name. SMH Were you in a coma when democrats hated Hillary in 08 and preferred Obama or are you really that goddamn ignorant?

InHiding80

brianlux said:

rr165892 said:

You Libs really can't admit that one of your poster children has done anything wrong.You do realize that's as detrimental to the process as the weirdo neo cons right? This again does more to divide then bring together.Which is what's wrong in Washington to begin with.

I do agree, rr, that it's difficult for any of us to be critical of people we generally admire, although doing so when appropriate is actually a good thing. However, and I'll give this some thought, right off the top of my head I can't think of any of the "libs" here who have been 100% behind any "poster children". That might be a tad bit hyperbole, yes?

I can attest to that as a converted green partier who hates Hillary and DINO Monsantobama.