Jared the sandwich guy ?

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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,350
    rgambs said:

    I don't know how I feel about that.
    At 15 years old what happened to this boy would have literally been a dream come true for me. I wasn't innocent, I wasn't naive, I wouldn't be a victim. Some 15 year olds would be, but at 15 I was as much of a man as I was at 18.
    The law is the law and she broke it, consequences must be had.
    I just wonder if it is "wrong" in a moral sense. In some cases it obviously is, in others, I really wonder.

    right. minor male , eh, dream come true.
    Minor female , they must fry.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    She was (is) 48 and he, 15. Turn that around on the gender side and most, I think, would be beyond disgusted. Wrong is wrong. She crossed the line and royally fucked up.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,990

    PJ_Soul said:

    I wouldn't be so sure about him not being able to live normally (if he makes it out of prison alive and sane). Karla Homulka (sp?) apparently lives a super normal life now, married with kids and everything, and she raped and murdered girls, including her own little sister, and was one of the biggest international news stories of her day. She made a deal with the prosecutors too.

    Yeah, but this is Canada and we love people like Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka.

    In all seriousness... who would marry such a troll? Who could be so deranged with their thought processes. And why hasn't he woken up bound, gagged, and drugged with a sore ass yet? Maybe he has? Maybe that's his thing? I dunno.
    I have no idea. I could believe my eyes when I read she'd remarried and had kids. Those poor children!
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  • MalrothMalroth broken down chevrolet Posts: 2,526

    hedonist said:

    The more I learn about this scumbag, the more I want to join chadwick in throat-punching him.

    Are you referring to this? Jesus. The balls to ask someone to record their kids.
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  • ldent42ldent42 NYC Posts: 7,859
    Guys - I've seen a lot of episodes of SVU on cable, so I'm basically an expert.
    If they were investigating him for 10 years it's cuz they were trying to get the bigger fish, the guy running the website, the server, whatever. And they gave him that deal cuz he informed on a bunch of the other kiddie porn guys.
    But don't worry. Stabler probably put the fear of God into him when they picked him up.

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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    edited August 2015
    hedonist said:

    She was (is) 48 and he, 15. Turn that around on the gender side and most, I think, would be beyond disgusted. Wrong is wrong. She crossed the line and royally fucked up.

    After thinking about it I realized what I really meant.
    It is wrong, no doubt.
    For a man or woman past their twenties to be involved with anyone under their twenties is weird and Fucked up.
    I don't, however, think the younger party is necessarily a victim. That goes for male and female.

    I have known many 15 year olds who were fully mature at that age, both male and female. They make their own choices and though the law has to draw the line somewhere, it doesn't delineate morality in a nice neat way.

    I also think that when it comes to sex, criticism of double standards doesn't bnecessarily apply. Maturity and stability of the individual has to be taken into account. The nature of a 15 year old boy and girl are often very different, and the penetrative nature of sex itself results in a very different perspective and role for males vs females.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    did not read the entire thread so this might have been posted already.

    apparently someone did not remind jared that fifteen will get you twenty...
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    rgambs said:

    hedonist said:

    She was (is) 48 and he, 15. Turn that around on the gender side and most, I think, would be beyond disgusted. Wrong is wrong. She crossed the line and royally fucked up.

    After thinking about it I realized what I really meant.
    It is wrong, no doubt.
    For a man or woman past their twenties to be involved with anyone under their twenties is weird and Fucked up.
    I don't, however, think the younger party is necessarily a victim. That goes for male and female.

    I have known many 15 year olds who were fully mature at that age, both male and female. They make their own choices and though the law has to draw the line somewhere, it doesn't delineate morality in a nice neat way.

    I also think that when it comes to sex, criticism of double standards doesn't bnecessarily apply. Maturity and stability of the individual has to be taken into account. The nature of a 15 year old boy and girl are often very different, and the penetrative nature of sex itself results in a very different perspective and role for males vs females.
    I understand what you're saying, gambs. And admit I have mixed feelings, especially toward your last paragraph. I'm reminded of that female teacher who had sex with her 13-year-old student, and is still with him years later, have children together.

    There are anomalies for sure, but when someone is an adult (whether or not in a position of power or authority), having sex with someone at 14, 15, even 16 is irresponsible and depending on circumstances, fucked up.

    That said, I've seen Summer of '42, and get it.

  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524

    did not read the entire thread so this might have been posted already.

    apparently someone did not remind jared that fifteen will get you twenty...

    Ha! Sad that 14 probably won't even get him that.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,990
    edited August 2015
    hedonist said:

    rgambs said:

    hedonist said:

    She was (is) 48 and he, 15. Turn that around on the gender side and most, I think, would be beyond disgusted. Wrong is wrong. She crossed the line and royally fucked up.

    After thinking about it I realized what I really meant.
    It is wrong, no doubt.
    For a man or woman past their twenties to be involved with anyone under their twenties is weird and Fucked up.
    I don't, however, think the younger party is necessarily a victim. That goes for male and female.

    I have known many 15 year olds who were fully mature at that age, both male and female. They make their own choices and though the law has to draw the line somewhere, it doesn't delineate morality in a nice neat way.

    I also think that when it comes to sex, criticism of double standards doesn't bnecessarily apply. Maturity and stability of the individual has to be taken into account. The nature of a 15 year old boy and girl are often very different, and the penetrative nature of sex itself results in a very different perspective and role for males vs females.
    I understand what you're saying, gambs. And admit I have mixed feelings, especially toward your last paragraph. I'm reminded of that female teacher who had sex with her 13-year-old student, and is still with him years later, have children together.

    There are anomalies for sure, but when someone is an adult (whether or not in a position of power or authority), having sex with someone at 14, 15, even 16 is irresponsible and depending on circumstances, fucked up.

    That said, I've seen Summer of '42, and get it.

    Yeah, the fact of the matter is that in MOST cases, no 15 year old truly wants to be fucking what they would consider an old person. Okay, there are rare cases where for some reason the kid is happily in it for life. But in most cases, and why the laws exist, the kid is simply being manipulated and used by some gross pervert so they can satisfy their own desire for sexual power and control. Even if the kid THINKS everything is cool, that isn't true because the adult is a fucking sickie weirdo. Any 48 year old who falls romantically and sexually for a 13 or 15 year old has serious problems that the kid likely doesn't even understand yet, and the kid should be kept away from that person no matter how they feel about the relationship.
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  • Stickman12Stickman12 Posts: 504
    lifetime supply of footlongs for him in prison is a good start
  • What's sad is when a woman does it they are cougar but when a man does it he is a creeper. Having known someone wrongfully accused and later acquitted, I can inform you on how much these accusations can hurt an innocent person.

    We sure are fast to call for violence in this thread. Everyone seems so anti violence until it's morally acceptable then kill the fucker. Great mentality to have guys.

    Let's just stone Jared to death. Those innocent little girls had zero idea they were using him for money and later exposing him. No, they are just too young to realize what they are doing. Give me a break
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited December 2015

    What's sad is when a woman does it they are cougar but when a man does it he is a creeper. Having known someone wrongfully accused and later acquitted, I can inform you on how much these accusations can hurt an innocent person.

    We sure are fast to call for violence in this thread. Everyone seems so anti violence until it's morally acceptable then kill the fucker. Great mentality to have guys.

    Let's just stone Jared to death. Those innocent little girls had zero idea they were using him for money and later exposing him. No, they are just too young to realize what they are doing. Give me a break

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,990
    edited August 2015

    What's sad is when a woman does it they are cougar but when a man does it he is a creeper. Having known someone wrongfully accused and later acquitted, I can inform you on how much these accusations can hurt an innocent person.

    We sure are fast to call for violence in this thread. Everyone seems so anti violence until it's morally acceptable then kill the fucker. Great mentality to have guys.

    Let's just stone Jared to death. Those innocent little girls had zero idea they were using him for money and later exposing him. No, they are just too young to realize what they are doing. Give me a break

    I don't think that female pedophiles are called cougars actually.

    Are you trying to suggest that Jared Fogle might be wrongfully accused? If not, I'm not sure why you're talking about innocent people being accused. Also, are you attempting to blame child victims of sexual abuse for his and other pedophiles' crimes??!? If so, that is super fucked up.

    Not everyone here calls for violence.
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  • PJ_Soul said:

    What's sad is when a woman does it they are cougar but when a man does it he is a creeper. Having known someone wrongfully accused and later acquitted, I can inform you on how much these accusations can hurt an innocent person.

    We sure are fast to call for violence in this thread. Everyone seems so anti violence until it's morally acceptable then kill the fucker. Great mentality to have guys.

    Let's just stone Jared to death. Those innocent little girls had zero idea they were using him for money and later exposing him. No, they are just too young to realize what they are doing. Give me a break

    Not everyone here calls for violence.
    I know. Some people need to get their shit together and not be such wusses.

    Some people need whoopings. No biggie. Just give 'em a whoopin'.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited December 2015
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  • lolobugglolobugg BLUE RDGE MTNS Posts: 8,195
    yeah... I am not proud of it... but I draw the line when it comes to kids... the bastard can rot for all I care.

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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    PJ_Soul said:

    What's sad is when a woman does it they are cougar but when a man does it he is a creeper. Having known someone wrongfully accused and later acquitted, I can inform you on how much these accusations can hurt an innocent person.

    We sure are fast to call for violence in this thread. Everyone seems so anti violence until it's morally acceptable then kill the fucker. Great mentality to have guys.

    Let's just stone Jared to death. Those innocent little girls had zero idea they were using him for money and later exposing him. No, they are just too young to realize what they are doing. Give me a break

    I don't think that female pedophiles are called cougars actually.

    Are you trying to suggest that Jared Fogle might be wrongfully accused? If not, I'm not sure why you're talking about innocent people being accused. Also, are you attempting to blame child victims of sexual abuse for his and other pedophiles' crimes??!? If so, that is super fucked up.

    Not everyone here calls for violence.
    I can't get my head around that mentality. It's like going back in time and pisses me right off.

    Also, the lovely and tender Jared pleaded guilty to some charges. Wrongfully accused, my ass.
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Well said, Hedo. The hairs on my neck stand up when I hear people blaming child victims. It is surprising enough when misdirected blame happens, but when it happens in a case where the predator has already entered a guilty plea it is beyond surprising. I don't know if JAG is just trying to stir the shit, or if her version of reality is really that twisted. As PJSoul said: super fucked up!
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
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    All the while my neighbor might be spending the rest of his life behind bars for growing pot.

    Fked up. Yeay war on drugs BS.

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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,147

    What's sad is when a woman does it they are cougar but when a man does it he is a creeper. Having known someone wrongfully accused and later acquitted, I can inform you on how much these accusations can hurt an innocent person.

    We sure are fast to call for violence in this thread. Everyone seems so anti violence until it's morally acceptable then kill the fucker. Great mentality to have guys.

    Let's just stone Jared to death. Those innocent little girls had zero idea they were using him for money and later exposing him. No, they are just too young to realize what they are doing. Give me a break

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,990
    Jason P said:

    What's sad is when a woman does it they are cougar but when a man does it he is a creeper. Having known someone wrongfully accused and later acquitted, I can inform you on how much these accusations can hurt an innocent person.

    We sure are fast to call for violence in this thread. Everyone seems so anti violence until it's morally acceptable then kill the fucker. Great mentality to have guys.

    Let's just stone Jared to death. Those innocent little girls had zero idea they were using him for money and later exposing him. No, they are just too young to realize what they are doing. Give me a break

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  • Jason P said:

    What's sad is when a woman does it they are cougar but when a man does it he is a creeper. Having known someone wrongfully accused and later acquitted, I can inform you on how much these accusations can hurt an innocent person.

    We sure are fast to call for violence in this thread. Everyone seems so anti violence until it's morally acceptable then kill the fucker. Great mentality to have guys.

    Let's just stone Jared to death. Those innocent little girls had zero idea they were using him for money and later exposing him. No, they are just too young to realize what they are doing. Give me a break

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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Also would like to say that many "innocent little girls" who, in their youngish teens, are open to this have likely had prior experience with sick fucks like Jared, but at a much younger and, I don't know, still-innocent age.

    Ridiculous premise.

    "I knew she was young but she seemed willing and was sooo hot".

    Fuck Jared and fuck that perspective, along with anyone who supports it.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,350
    Important info of what's going on, federaly and what the state of NY MAY do or not do and why.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/08/25/jared-fogle-admitted-to-sex-crimes-against-minors-why-wasnt-he-charged-with-rape/
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  • mickeyrat said:
    Well hopefully some type of investigation is under way of the services that provided him this opportunity. 16,17 whatever. These young girls were exploited by multiple people whether "willing" or not. Let's not get it fucking twisted. For anyone to say otherwise is ridiculous.
  • What's sad is when a woman does it they are cougar but when a man does it he is a creeper. Having known someone wrongfully accused and later acquitted, I can inform you on how much these accusations can hurt an innocent person.

    We sure are fast to call for violence in this thread. Everyone seems so anti violence until it's morally acceptable then kill the fucker. Great mentality to have guys.

    Let's just stone Jared to death. Those innocent little girls had zero idea they were using him for money and later exposing him. No, they are just too young to realize what they are doing. Give me a break

    Don't care about anything you just said.
    I hope a violent death comes his way.
    Have a nice day.
    We didn't make it one whole post without proving my point. An instant call for violence and death from such a passive, non violent group.

  • JUST A GIRLJUST A GIRL Posts: 372
    edited August 2015
    PJ_Soul said:

    Jason P said:

    What's sad is when a woman does it they are cougar but when a man does it he is a creeper. Having known someone wrongfully accused and later acquitted, I can inform you on how much these accusations can hurt an innocent person.

    We sure are fast to call for violence in this thread. Everyone seems so anti violence until it's morally acceptable then kill the fucker. Great mentality to have guys.

    Let's just stone Jared to death. Those innocent little girls had zero idea they were using him for money and later exposing him. No, they are just too young to realize what they are doing. Give me a break

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    Bullying^^

    And more ganging up once it starts. You guys are great at proving me wrong.

    I didn't suggest any of the things you suggested I did. I simply said that those girls knew what they were doing. Happens every day, wether you choose to believe it or not.

    Look at this years big brother. A 33 year old dating a 23 year old boy. Back it up 6 years and suddenly we have a pedo on our hands. But now it's cute. That's what I am referring to, the social acceptance of it, the "way to go bro!" When a teenage boy has sex with a teacher. When it's a man to a girl, we call for murder. When it's a girl to a man, it's a cougar.

    Hope now you guys can see my point.

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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576

    PJ_Soul said:

    Jason P said:

    What's sad is when a woman does it they are cougar but when a man does it he is a creeper. Having known someone wrongfully accused and later acquitted, I can inform you on how much these accusations can hurt an innocent person.

    We sure are fast to call for violence in this thread. Everyone seems so anti violence until it's morally acceptable then kill the fucker. Great mentality to have guys.

    Let's just stone Jared to death. Those innocent little girls had zero idea they were using him for money and later exposing him. No, they are just too young to realize what they are doing. Give me a break

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    Bullying^^

    And more ganging up once it starts. You guys are great at proving me wrong.

    I didn't suggest any of the things you suggested I did. I simply said that those girls knew what they were doing. Happens every day, wether you choose to believe it or not.

    Look at this years big brother. A 33 year old dating a 23 year old boy. Back it up 6 years and suddenly we have a pedo on our hands. But now it's cute. That's what I am referring to, the social acceptance of it, the "way to go bro!" When a teenage boy has sex with a teacher. When it's a man to a girl, we call for murder. When it's a girl to a man, it's a cougar.

    Hope now you guys can see my point.

    I see your point. Now.
    The previous post made half as much sense as this, and as it was written, was surely suggesting that young girls were scamming him and were to blame.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,147

    PJ_Soul said:

    Jason P said:

    What's sad is when a woman does it they are cougar but when a man does it he is a creeper. Having known someone wrongfully accused and later acquitted, I can inform you on how much these accusations can hurt an innocent person.

    We sure are fast to call for violence in this thread. Everyone seems so anti violence until it's morally acceptable then kill the fucker. Great mentality to have guys.

    Let's just stone Jared to death. Those innocent little girls had zero idea they were using him for money and later exposing him. No, they are just too young to realize what they are doing. Give me a break

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    Bullying^^

    And more ganging up once it starts. You guys are great at proving me wrong.

    I didn't suggest any of the things you suggested I did. I simply said that those girls knew what they were doing. Happens every day, wether you choose to believe it or not.

    Look at this years big brother. A 33 year old dating a 23 year old boy. Back it up 6 years and suddenly we have a pedo on our hands. But now it's cute. That's what I am referring to, the social acceptance of it, the "way to go bro!" When a teenage boy has sex with a teacher. When it's a man to a girl, we call for murder. When it's a girl to a man, it's a cougar.

    Hope now you guys can see my point.

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