Yeah, I don't wtf is up with Townsend. So many people obviously believe him though, including EV. I do find myself thinking that if the man has retained friends like that, then there must be a reason they don't doubt him about the research thing..... maybe there is something we don't know to make it completely reasonable? It totally sounds fishy to me too, but seriously, would Eddie Vedder really ignore it if he didn't have a real reason to?? Or is he just that blinded by idol worship?
Eddie Vedder is human just like everyone else. Sometimes friendships run deep. Sometimes people refuse to believe what they probably should.
I personally think Pete is guilty. Any adult with half a brain doesn't keep a collection of child pornography as a side research project. I still listen to The Who though so I guess I've compromised something?
* And I'm with RR: pedophiles can go jump off a cliff. It's one thing to hurt an adult... it's quite another to hurt a child.
I am kind of tired of explaining the whole Pete thing but I will make this comment. Police confiscated 11 computers from his home and no porn was downloaded on any of them. He used a credit card to access a porn site one time, to make a point about credit card companies financing porn.
He addressed the facts in numerous interviews when he published his memoirs a couple of years ago. Try Google.
that's what I thought too.... I read his biography where he explained what happened. apparently they found that he spent less than a minute on the site and never downloaded anything. I really don't know who to believe, but it seems like he definitely regrets even doing that and was also a victim of child abuse from his aunt and her lovers.
until I read that, I was boycotting the Who on principal. decided to read his book to hear his take on the case. definitely an interesting life he has led.
Oh, is that all? Then if that's actually true then whatever, that's ridiculous, and so is anyone who brings it up in a discussion as a case in point (assuming they know the facts). And since he was never prosecuted or anything, that seems likely. And I don't think it sounds weird for someone to try and access it just see how easy it is and be on there for less than a minute.... It's a shame they got his money for it though.
why would anyone want to search child porn ? unless they were pervs or cops looking to bust pervs, just freakin weird to me.
Godfather.
His claim is that he was doing research for a book and also for his charity that helps survivors of childhood sexual abuse. the suicide rate for survivors is pretty high and he wanted to do something to help them. he claims that he was abused as well. he aborted the book when he found one that had already been written and he felt that it was extraordinary and that he couldn't contribute anything that hadn't already been said in that book.
Once again, I don't know if he is guilty or not.. I am just relaying his side of the story.
He's pretty good at defending his questionable actions.
For example, still on the Sex Offenders Register, he wrote a graphic teen sex story that got him into hot water too. He shrugged it off stating it was designed as a political comment. He removed it from his blog and also apologized to those who enjoyed the story he crafted.
If you are on a sex offenders register, I don't think it's wise to publish stories of teens having sex (let alone imagine them with such vivid detail).
I am kind of tired of explaining the whole Pete thing but I will make this comment. Police confiscated 11 computers from his home and no porn was downloaded on any of them. He used a credit card to access a porn site one time, to make a point about credit card companies financing porn.
He addressed the facts in numerous interviews when he published his memoirs a couple of years ago. Try Google.
Maybe.
I could try Google, but it will give me multiple versions of the story including the one you believe. You may very well be correct, but you'd never find me accessing child pornography to 'prove a point'. If the version he wishes people to endorse is true then at a very minimum he's not very bright.
This is why I don't typically get into the whole debate about it. People seem to overlook that the events happened in the late 90s, when the internet wasn't nearly as widely available. There are a number of people here who seem to believe that he's guilty regardless, even though the police never found anything and never charged him. He voluntarily accepted a 5 year listing on the sex offender registry and now says he regrets doing that. I think it what Pete was trying to do was dumb but he doesn't need me to defend him. I don't personally know the man and he often says and does things I don't agree with.
I don't know if people on this board want to believe the worst of him because Ed thinks so much of him and it makes them feel rebellious (woo!) or if it gives them an excuse not to like The Who. But if you're suggesting, as I think, that the "one I believe" is because I like Pete's music, then I call that pretty fucking condescending. You don't know anything about my life or my experience of sexual abuse/awareness.
I will now let this thread go back to being about Jared, who is a disgusting excuse for a human. I'm out.
I am kind of tired of explaining the whole Pete thing but I will make this comment. Police confiscated 11 computers from his home and no porn was downloaded on any of them. He used a credit card to access a porn site one time, to make a point about credit card companies financing porn.
He addressed the facts in numerous interviews when he published his memoirs a couple of years ago. Try Google.
Maybe.
I could try Google, but it will give me multiple versions of the story including the one you believe. You may very well be correct, but you'd never find me accessing child pornography to 'prove a point'. If the version he wishes people to endorse is true then at a very minimum he's not very bright.
This is why I don't typically get into the whole debate about it. People seem to overlook that the events happened in the late 90s, when the internet wasn't nearly as widely available. There are a number of people here who seem to believe that he's guilty regardless, even though the police never found anything and never charged him. He voluntarily accepted a 5 year listing on the sex offender registry and now says he regrets doing that. I think it what Pete was trying to do was dumb but he doesn't need me to defend him. I don't personally know the man and he often says and does things I don't agree with.
I don't know if people on this board want to believe the worst of him because Ed thinks so much of him and it makes them feel rebellious (woo!) or if it gives them an excuse not to like The Who. But if you're suggesting, as I think, that the "one I believe" is because I like Pete's music, then I call that pretty fucking condescending. You don't know anything about my life or my experience of sexual abuse/awareness.
I will now let this thread go back to being about Jared, who is a disgusting excuse for a human. I'm out.
No.
I don't think you get to throw a bunch of shots and then simply exit.
I'm not feeling rebellious at all. I remain skeptical because I'm a bit of a skeptic and where there's smoke... there's fire.
I also said I still listen to The Who so I'm not looking for an excuse to not listen to them.
There are conflicting stories. You believe one and asserted it. I never offered any reason for your motivation- that is for you to reconcile.
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Jared fuckface will still be know as the sandwich guy in prison only that Nasty Nate will be providing the saw-sage..... if this guy is actually guilty of what they say he is.... then they should castrate him and throw him in with the general population for a life sentence.
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Jared fuckface will still be know as the sandwich guy in prison only that Nasty Nate will be providing the saw-sage..... if this guy is actually guilty of what they say he is.... then they should castrate him and throw him in with the general population for a life sentence.
Jared fuckface will still be know as the sandwich guy in prison only that Nasty Nate will be providing the saw-sage..... if this guy is actually guilty of what they say he is.... then they should castrate him and throw him in with the general population for a life sentence.
Yes. I'm sure he will still be able to get his beloved 6 inch or footlong while in the pen.
that jared guy sure has a fucked up smile (& his eyes aren't any better) when looking at previous pictures. the ceo of subway should (just for kicks & good times) boot jared fogle directly off a cliff. heck, why not punch him in the throat or get a tank & race it down a mountain as fast as you can travel that big bastard running fogle right over? get a log on fire & smack him in the head with it. i know, he can spar tyson in a pit fight. we could hook fogle up to a utility pole lowering him into a industrial chipper that generally eats refrigerators, stoves, couches, cars, 900 tons of broken hammers, i-beams, & endless bags of dog shit picked up from the yard where the neighbors' dogs have their craps
in all reality it should be like it was back in the day - if so - fogle would be nice wearing a .44 caliber hole upside his sick & dumbass head
as you can tell, (hell, maybe you can't) i've no time for these fools
that jared guy sure has a fucked up smile (& his eyes aren't any better) when looking at previous pictures. the ceo of subway should (just for kicks & good times) boot jared fogle directly off a cliff. heck, why not punch him in the throat or get a tank & race it down a mountain as fast as you can travel that big bastard running fogle right over? get a log on fire & smack him in the head with it. i know, he can spar tyson in a pit fight. we could hook fogle up to a utility pole lowering him into a industrial chipper that generally eats refrigerators, stoves, couches, cars, 900 tons of broken hammers, i-beams, & endless bags of dog shit picked up from the yard where the neighbors' dogs have their craps
in all reality it should be like it was back in the day - if so - fogle would be nice wearing a .44 caliber hole upside his sick & dumbass head
as you can tell, (hell, maybe you can't) i've no time for these fools
that jared guy sure has a fucked up smile (& his eyes aren't any better) when looking at previous pictures. the ceo of subway should (just for kicks & good times) boot jared fogle directly off a cliff. heck, why not punch him in the throat or get a tank & race it down a mountain as fast as you can travel that big bastard running fogle right over? get a log on fire & smack him in the head with it. i know, he can spar tyson in a pit fight. we could hook fogle up to a utility pole lowering him into a industrial chipper that generally eats refrigerators, stoves, couches, cars, 900 tons of broken hammers, i-beams, & endless bags of dog shit picked up from the yard where the neighbors' dogs have their craps
in all reality it should be like it was back in the day - if so - fogle would be nice wearing a .44 caliber hole upside his sick & dumbass head
as you can tell, (hell, maybe you can't) i've no time for these fools
Punch him in the throat too? Seems excessive.
No,sounds about right.Thank Chad.
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I know it's not impossible, but how - being married to and having children with someone, living your life with them - is there absolutely NO inkling that something is amiss?
Whether or not he violated his own children (haven't seen mention of this at all, surprisingly), those kids are gonna need some kind of therapy over time.
I know it's not impossible, but how - being married to and having children with someone, living your life with them - is there absolutely NO inkling that something is amiss?
Whether or not he violated his own children (haven't seen mention of this at all, surprisingly), those kids are gonna need some kind of therapy over time.
Yeah, it is weird that these people can live their life and pretend to be something they are not. I remember when I was a kid, one of my classmate's dads tried to come on to some teenage boy who was during yard work for him. the kid beat the shit out of him with a golf club.
I mean this guy was married for a long time, had three kids, coached baseball, ran a popular local restaurant and was respected in the community.... no one had any idea what was going on.
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5 years min ... 12 years max ... seems light considering he had sex with two minors (that we know of)
From what I understand it is up to the courts to accept this plea deal. At least that is how I read it.
Does that mean if the courts reject it, that Jared will then have to stand trail, and if found guilty, he could get 30 years? Actually 20-30 years each, on a couple of different charges?
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5 years min ... 12 years max ... seems light considering he had sex with two minors (that we know of)
People get similar sentences for murdering someone.
Just offering this for perspective- I'm definitely in favour of heavy sentences for both. Obviously, much heavier than what we frequently witness for ending someone's life.
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I just need to say...
"He expects to get well". Good. Thanks, defense attorney. Fuck you and your wealthy client.
As one who was molested as a child, I feel the crime / criminal is unforgivable - yet, over time, found a way to forgive that piece of shit so I could achieve peace of mind in life and in myself. And I have. Anger still resides, and I expect it'll always be there - though not eating away at me, more like providing strength.
Receiving a hundred grand would've been nice and all, and paid for the years of counseling I experienced as a young woman, but really...would've LOVED to see that motherfucker jailed for life. And then some.
Minimum five years? Max not even thirteen? (oh the irony. And fuck that)
"He expects to get well". Good. Thanks, defense attorney. Fuck you and your wealthy client.
As one who was molested as a child, I feel the crime / criminal is unforgivable - yet, over time, found a way to forgive that piece of shit so I could achieve peace of mind in life and in myself. And I have. Anger still resides, and I expect it'll always be there - though not eating away at me, more like providing strength.
Receiving a hundred grand would've been nice and all, and paid for the years of counseling I experienced as a young woman, but really...would've LOVED to see that motherfucker jailed for life. And then some.
Minimum five years? Max not even thirteen? (oh the irony. And fuck that)
I'm always shocked how many women have been abused by pigs. I say 'pigs' because 'men' is simply not fitting.
One girlfriend in particular carried significant baggage from her ordeal as a child. Outwardly, she was a very confident, happy, fun, great looking woman who carried herself well, but she harboured pain.
I never came across the 'friend of the family'... but I really wanted to. It's best I didn't I guess.
"He expects to get well". Good. Thanks, defense attorney. Fuck you and your wealthy client.
As one who was molested as a child, I feel the crime / criminal is unforgivable - yet, over time, found a way to forgive that piece of shit so I could achieve peace of mind in life and in myself. And I have. Anger still resides, and I expect it'll always be there - though not eating away at me, more like providing strength.
Receiving a hundred grand would've been nice and all, and paid for the years of counseling I experienced as a young woman, but really...would've LOVED to see that motherfucker jailed for life. And then some.
Minimum five years? Max not even thirteen? (oh the irony. And fuck that)
Yeah, I (as someone with little experience in the realm thankfully) also thinks this guy is skating away pretty lightly, even with 12.5 years.
It seems that Fogel's cartel here was in direct contact and involved with producing content... as well as Fogel himself having relations with minors (14 I think?).
And them his lawyer making it all about Fogel would be pretty insulting to victims on top of the deal they made for themselves.
"He expects to get well". Good. Thanks, defense attorney. Fuck you and your wealthy client.
As one who was molested as a child, I feel the crime / criminal is unforgivable - yet, over time, found a way to forgive that piece of shit so I could achieve peace of mind in life and in myself. And I have. Anger still resides, and I expect it'll always be there - though not eating away at me, more like providing strength.
Receiving a hundred grand would've been nice and all, and paid for the years of counseling I experienced as a young woman, but really...would've LOVED to see that motherfucker jailed for life. And then some.
Minimum five years? Max not even thirteen? (oh the irony. And fuck that)
I'm always shocked how many women have been abused by pigs. I say 'pigs' because 'men' is simply not fitting.
One girlfriend in particular carried significant baggage from her ordeal as a child. Outwardly, she was a very confident, happy, fun, great looking woman who carried herself well, but she harboured pain.
I never came across the 'friend of the family'... but I really wanted to. It's best I didn't I guess.
Yeah. I had two girlfriends that were abused as kids....that means it is much too common it is unbelievable... it makes me scared for my own daughter... obviously I watch out for her but you can't be with them all the time.... I would hate to think of what I would do to such a sick fuck.
what's sad is in most cases it was someone who was close to the mother. and sometimes they told them and they didn't believe it... I can't fathom letting something like that happen to my kid.
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"He expects to get well". Good. Thanks, defense attorney. Fuck you and your wealthy client.
As one who was molested as a child, I feel the crime / criminal is unforgivable - yet, over time, found a way to forgive that piece of shit so I could achieve peace of mind in life and in myself. And I have. Anger still resides, and I expect it'll always be there - though not eating away at me, more like providing strength.
Receiving a hundred grand would've been nice and all, and paid for the years of counseling I experienced as a young woman, but really...would've LOVED to see that motherfucker jailed for life. And then some.
Minimum five years? Max not even thirteen? (oh the irony. And fuck that)
very sorry to see this...
Those people don't "get well"...ever.
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It gets me beyond riled that this (and, dare I say, worse) still happens to so many, around the world. With all the information out there and the means to receive it, you'd think (hope) it'd be lessened. Paradoxically, that technological methodology also opens the door to create and share such filth.
I'm fortunate that in my relationships, I didn't seek out someone who would perpetuate such actions - as some sadly do - and am blessed to live this life with a man who loves and respects women in general, and me specifically. Wish more, all, were so lucky.
(Must add that it's truly heartening to see - and know - some absolutely fine men in this forum. Parent or not, you're great examples.)
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The individual states should be able to get a crack at him for statutory rape at a minimum.
I would think statutory is a lot lighter of a charge. You could have 2 willing participants with statutory.
Obviously at 12, there's probably not a willing participant.
IF as the atricle stated he paid for it, that means there was agreed upon terms. Not debating whether its right (its not) or even they are fully capable of entering into such an arrangement, but I posted a link to the NY law regarding age of consent a page or two ago. Will need to reread it myself.
I want beteer details on how many and age of each. Regardless the 17 yr old is out for that crime. That age can consent with whomever.
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The individual states should be able to get a crack at him for statutory rape at a minimum.
I would think statutory is a lot lighter of a charge. You could have 2 willing participants with statutory.
Obviously at 12, there's probably not a willing participant.
heres the text or the parameters of the law in NY. Other jurisdictions could vary. I am using NY's as a basis because the article Hedonist posted said NY.
What Is the Age of Consent for Sex in New York? In New York, the age of consent for sex is 17 years old. This applies to men and women, and applies to both heterosexual and homosexual conduct.
However, as in many other states, New York has allowances for minors who are below the age of consent but are close to the same age. This close-in-age exception exists because statutory rape laws are meant to prevent minors from being sexually exploited by adults. It is not meant to punish individuals who are close in age for engaging in consensual, non-exploitative sexual conduct.
The close-in-age exception applies in New York in the older person is less than four years older than the minor and the minor. the exception does not apply if the minor is under the age of 15.
What Are the Penalties for Having Sex with Someone Underage? In New York, if you are 21 years old or older and have sex with someone under 17 years old and the close in age exception does not apply, then that can be considered a criminal sexual act in the third degree which is a class E felony. A class E felony prison sentence is a minimum of 3 years and a maximum of 4 years.
It is considered rape in the second degree if someone older than 18 years old has sex with someone under 15 years old. Rape in the second degree is a class D felony and carries a prison sentence up to 7 years.
If you are older than 18 years and the minor was less than 13 years old, that is considered rape in the first degree and is a class B felony, which has a prison sentence that can range from 10-25 years.
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For example, still on the Sex Offenders Register, he wrote a graphic teen sex story that got him into hot water too. He shrugged it off stating it was designed as a political comment. He removed it from his blog and also apologized to those who enjoyed the story he crafted.
If you are on a sex offenders register, I don't think it's wise to publish stories of teens having sex (let alone imagine them with such vivid detail).
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/5106694.stm
I don't know if people on this board want to believe the worst of him because Ed thinks so much of him and it makes them feel rebellious (woo!) or if it gives them an excuse not to like The Who. But if you're suggesting, as I think, that the "one I believe" is because I like Pete's music, then I call that pretty fucking condescending. You don't know anything about my life or my experience of sexual abuse/awareness.
I will now let this thread go back to being about Jared, who is a disgusting excuse for a human. I'm out.
I don't think you get to throw a bunch of shots and then simply exit.
I'm not feeling rebellious at all. I remain skeptical because I'm a bit of a skeptic and where there's smoke... there's fire.
I also said I still listen to The Who so I'm not looking for an excuse to
not listen to them.
There are conflicting stories. You believe one and asserted it. I never offered any reason for your motivation- that is for you to reconcile.
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Jared fuckface will still be know as the sandwich guy in prison
only that Nasty Nate will be providing the saw-sage.....
if this guy is actually guilty of what they say he is....
then they should castrate him and throw him in with the general population for a life sentence.
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Seems excessive.
Whether or not he violated his own children (haven't seen mention of this at all, surprisingly), those kids are gonna need some kind of therapy over time.
I remember when I was a kid, one of my classmate's dads tried to come on to some teenage boy who was during yard work for him. the kid beat the shit out of him with a golf club.
I mean this guy was married for a long time, had three kids, coached baseball, ran a popular local restaurant and was respected in the community.... no one had any idea what was going on.
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Does that mean if the courts reject it, that Jared will then have to stand trail, and if found guilty, he could get 30 years? Actually 20-30 years each, on a couple of different charges?
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Just offering this for perspective- I'm definitely in favour of heavy sentences for both. Obviously, much heavier than what we frequently witness for ending someone's life.
"He expects to get well". Good. Thanks, defense attorney. Fuck you and your wealthy client.
As one who was molested as a child, I feel the crime / criminal is unforgivable - yet, over time, found a way to forgive that piece of shit so I could achieve peace of mind in life and in myself. And I have. Anger still resides, and I expect it'll always be there - though not eating away at me, more like providing strength.
Receiving a hundred grand would've been nice and all, and paid for the years of counseling I experienced as a young woman, but really...would've LOVED to see that motherfucker jailed for life. And then some.
Minimum five years? Max not even thirteen? (oh the irony. And fuck that)
One girlfriend in particular carried significant baggage from her ordeal as a child. Outwardly, she was a very confident, happy, fun, great looking woman who carried herself well, but she harboured pain.
I never came across the 'friend of the family'... but I really wanted to. It's best I didn't I guess.
Yeah, I (as someone with little experience in the realm thankfully) also thinks this guy is skating away pretty lightly, even with 12.5 years.
It seems that Fogel's cartel here was in direct contact and involved with producing content... as well as Fogel himself having relations with minors (14 I think?).
And them his lawyer making it all about Fogel would be pretty insulting to victims on top of the deal they made for themselves.
it is unbelievable... it makes me scared for my own daughter...
obviously I watch out for her but you can't be with them all the time....
I would hate to think of what I would do to such a sick fuck.
what's sad is in most cases it was someone who was close to the mother.
and sometimes they told them and they didn't believe it...
I can't fathom letting something like that happen to my kid.
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1996- Charleston, SC
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2000- Atlanta, GA: New Orleans, LA: Memphis, TN: Nashville, TN
2003- Raleigh, NC: Charlotte, NC: Atlanta, GA
2004- Asheville, NC (hometown show)
2006- Cincinnati, OH
2008- Columbia, SC
2009- Chicago, IL x 2 / Ed Vedder- Atlanta, GA x 2
2010- Bristow, VA
2011- Alpine Valley, WI (PJ20) x 2 / Ed Vedder- Chicago, IL
2012- Atlanta, GA
2013- Charlotte, NC
2014- Cincinnati, OH
2015- New York, NY
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2017- ED VED- Louisville, KY
2018- Chicago, IL x2, Boston, MA x2
2020- Nashville, TN
2022- Smashville
2023- Austin, TX x2
2024- Baltimore
Those people don't "get well"...ever.
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
I'm fortunate that in my relationships, I didn't seek out someone who would perpetuate such actions - as some sadly do - and am blessed to live this life with a man who loves and respects women in general, and me specifically. Wish more, all, were so lucky.
(Must add that it's truly heartening to see - and know - some absolutely fine men in this forum. Parent or not, you're great examples.)
Godfather.
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Godfather.
Obviously at 12, there's probably not a willing participant.
I want beteer details on how many and age of each. Regardless the 17 yr old is out for that crime. That age can consent with whomever.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
What Is the Age of Consent for Sex in New York?
In New York, the age of consent for sex is 17 years old. This applies to men and women, and applies to both heterosexual and homosexual conduct.
However, as in many other states, New York has allowances for minors who are below the age of consent but are close to the same age. This close-in-age exception exists because statutory rape laws are meant to prevent minors from being sexually exploited by adults. It is not meant to punish individuals who are close in age for engaging in consensual, non-exploitative sexual conduct.
The close-in-age exception applies in New York in the older person is less than four years older than the minor and the minor. the exception does not apply if the minor is under the age of 15.
What Are the Penalties for Having Sex with Someone Underage?
In New York, if you are 21 years old or older and have sex with someone under 17 years old and the close in age exception does not apply, then that can be considered a criminal sexual act in the third degree which is a class E felony. A class E felony prison sentence is a minimum of 3 years and a maximum of 4 years.
It is considered rape in the second degree if someone older than 18 years old has sex with someone under 15 years old. Rape in the second degree is a class D felony and carries a prison sentence up to 7 years.
If you are older than 18 years and the minor was less than 13 years old, that is considered rape in the first degree and is a class B felony, which has a prison sentence that can range from 10-25 years.
- See more at: http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/new-york-age-of-consent-lawyers.html#sthash.ulyXccYd.dpuf
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14