Heard they burned the U.S. Flag in Charleston today.
I was in class all day for work, but I heard this was a group pissed off about the confederate flag. But I am NOT sure about that.
One truth about this country is that no matter where you look there are always stupid people willing to do stupid things. North and South do have that in common.
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Heard they burned the U.S. Flag in Charleston today.
I was in class all day for work, but I heard this was a group pissed off about the confederate flag. But I am NOT sure about that.
One truth about this country is that no matter where you look there are always stupid people willing to do stupid things. North and South do have that in common.
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Flag discussion aside for a moment, have to say that this community is fucking amazing. To grieve, to mourn, with such grace, unison and resolution...hats off to them.
I saw some jackass on CNN start babbling about how President Lincoln didn't actually support ending slavery right along with the South, and therefore there is nothing wrong with the confederate flag being flown today. And this was an educated man (in charge of a group called Sons of the Confederate Army or something like that - some kind of historical society). Educated or not, when it comes to this issue, some people seem to abandon logic and reason completely.
Well, if you want to get technical about it, Lincoln wasn't exactly an abolitionist, and that is where the story gets twisted around. Even the Emancipation Proclamation was a military tactic, and timed perfectly to further dampen the morale of the rebellion after their loss at Antietam. It even exempted four states from having to adhere to it. Don't get me wrong, I'm a HUGE fan of Lincoln...I mean to the point that my wife worries sometimes about my love of studying this man. However, even though I revere him, I'm also a realist and have come to realize he wasn't the God-like savior that some of the history books have made him out to be. But back in that time, no one really fought on one side or the other for or against slavery. No one was throwing themselves into battle...facing down cannons loaded with grapeshot...with the mindset of "I'm freeing the slaves"...or... "I'm fighting so we can keep slaves". That is utter nonsense. Lincoln may not have agreed with slavery for moral reasons, but the Constitution had provisions to protect it.
A couple of nuggets that people often don't realize is, he had no intention of giving slaves social or political equality. He didn't feel that African-American's were equal to, or should ever be equal to, "the white race". And that was the attitude of many, actually most, whites both North and South. That is just how it was back then, and it is impossible for many of us to even comprehend today.
He also had planned on shipping freed African Americans out of the country, and having them colonize parts of Central America and Africa. He had the same mindset that many had shared at that time, which was African Americans and Whites could not live together in peace.
I wasn't trying to say that Lincoln was an abolitionist. I'm aware he was wishy-washy on that subject at best. My point was that the other guy's point was illogical when it comes to justifying the confederate flag today.
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Flag discussion aside for a moment, have to say that this community is fucking amazing. To grieve, to mourn, with such grace, unison and resolution...hats off to them.
I agree. The Charleston community really banded together in the face of a tragedy (2 tragedies, actually if you include the Walter Scott shooting) that could have easily become the next Ferguson-type situation.
I can only find scant info on these incidences. More serious shit for sure but it seems these attacks are being avoided, overlooked or out right ignored by news media. Bad shit going down, for sure.
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Has the 5th been confirmed? What I have seen is one is still under investigation as a possible electrical fire.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Flag discussion aside for a moment, have to say that this community is fucking amazing. To grieve, to mourn, with such grace, unison and resolution...hats off to them.
I agree. The Charleston community really banded together in the face of a tragedy (2 tragedies, actually if you include the Walter Scott shooting) that could have easily become the next Ferguson-type situation.
The real difference is just that a cop didn't shoot these people. If one had, then obviously we'd be seeing a completely different story playing out. Black communities don't just riot and protest whenever a black person is murdered. They riot and protest when the people who are supposed to be protecting them are murdering them instead, with the government's support.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Flag discussion aside for a moment, have to say that this community is fucking amazing. To grieve, to mourn, with such grace, unison and resolution...hats off to them.
I agree. The Charleston community really banded together in the face of a tragedy (2 tragedies, actually if you include the Walter Scott shooting) that could have easily become the next Ferguson-type situation.
The real difference is just that a cop didn't shoot these people. If one had, then obviously we'd be seeing a completely different story playing out. Black communities don't just riot and protest whenever a black person is murdered. They riot and protest when the people who are supposed to be protecting them are murdering them instead, with the government's support.
That was exactly the Walter Scott situation though. There was a very real worry that the 2 events occurring so close together would just boil down into one very nasty reaction. Some people tried to combine them together, but the majority of Charleston chose peace, forgiveness, and love.
Another black church burnt down. 6 in 2 weeks. Some black rioters burn a CVS and the whole mediasphere explodes on the thugs. 6 black churches burnt down and it's crickets.
Another black church burnt down. 6 in 2 weeks. Some black rioters burn a CVS and the whole mediasphere explodes on the thugs. 6 black churches burnt down and it's crickets.
They are still investigating this fire. A line of severe storms ripped through this area just prior to the fire being reported. Lightning could have started this. Here is the lightning strike map for the area yesterday evening.
On average at least 1 house of worship burns down every day in America. A good percentage are insurance related arson. Some are lightning Some are electrical A small percentage are hatred related arson
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
A couple of nuggets that people often don't realize is, he had no intention of giving slaves social or political equality. He didn't feel that African-American's were equal to, or should ever be equal to, "the white race". And that was the attitude of many, actually most, whites both North and South. That is just how it was back then, and it is impossible for many of us to even comprehend today.
He also had planned on shipping freed African Americans out of the country, and having them colonize parts of Central America and Africa. He had the same mindset that many had shared at that time, which was African Americans and Whites could not live together in peace.
While it wasn't held at the best location, the Bridge to Peace was pretty inspiring.
http://www.refinery29.com/2015/06/89531/bridge-to-peace-march-photos
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Some black rioters burn a CVS and the whole mediasphere explodes on the thugs. 6 black churches burnt down and it's crickets.
Never mind. I don't know why it won't come up.
As much as I counter RG at times, he's raised a legitimate point that is certainly worth considering.
So sad, the violence in the world.
A good percentage are insurance related arson.
Some are lightning
Some are electrical
A small percentage are hatred related arson
At least that's how it seemed when I saw The Book of Mormon musical in New York, so that's pretty authoritative, right?