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whispering hands

ldent42 said:

ewwwwwwwww. What's special about the bottles though?

Nothing special. I just can't justify spending that much money and only using them ONCE! That was why I bought the SS bottle. Really wish I hadn't lost that! :-(

ldent42

No I mean whats special about them that makes them unsafe to reuse? I've contacted the manufacturer to ask if they are safe to reuse once before recycling

whispering hands

I have no idea.. I just always wrote it off as BS.. Most often things like that are gimmicks to make you buy more, so I just ignore it.

Amongst the Ani

This is why: huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/14/reuse-plastic-water-bottle_n_5671681.html

ldent42

cdysinge said:

This is why: huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/14/reuse-plastic-water-bottle_n_5671681.html

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh for long term use, yea I get that. I was using them as
new water>wash>juice>wash>same juice>recycle
or
new water>wash>juice>recycle
Depending on if I get them back from her right away or not. If it was overnight I'd recycle them. If I wash em but they dont seem clean enough I'd recycle them. Never used a bottle more than once or twice. There's no need as I'd go through the new ones just as quick if not quicker than her daily juice.
whew. that's that problem solved! Now if only we can fix this comiccon ticket probelmmmmmmm

oceaninmyeyes

RKCNDY said:

ldent42 said:

Dicker? You mean haggle?
I've been "going to" buy a mattress for the past year. I haven't done cuz the idea of dealing with them makes me cringe. I had a Marketing teacher explain to us once that the mattress manufacturers only make x number type of mattresses. Then every single store, Sleepys, Macys, whatever, gets "their" version of it, which is sold under the name unique for them so it cannot be price matched at other stores. And the only difference in the mattress is like the color of the stitching, IF even that. But because it has a different name, you can't price shop it.


I thought of a new one: Textbooks. I once had a teacher put a book HE WROTE on the "required materials". That shit should be illegal.

Of course! Cell phones are the same way, so you can't price shop those either.
I don't mind going to different stores to look at different styles of certain products. The sales people don't like me because I won't fall for their 'up-sells'..."no, I don't want your extended warranty".

Fucking textbooks pissed me off... I took an online class (yeah AT the college) and we were required to purchase workbooks, the pack of workbooks was like a series of 30, and ridiculously expensive...the class only needed 10 of them, so you were basically forced to take the 3 quarter series of classes to get your money's worth.

I hate buying water...I'm perfectly fine bringing my own, but some venues/fairs won't let you bring your own, you have to buy it from them. They jack up the prices more than soda sometimes too...and you wonder why people are fat?

What about the water, or concessions in general at the movie theater. Crrrrrrr ipes! The small is around 5 dollars for like a gallon of soda or icee. The bottle of water is the same price. So the choice is $5 for water, sugar diabetes, or dry salty mouth from the overpriced popcorn.

PJ_Soul

ldent42 said:

Textbooks. I once had a teacher put a book HE WROTE on the "required materials". That shit should be illegal.

Whoa whoa whoa. I think you're looking at this wrong. Don't you want the professor who is teaching the material to be the one who wrote the material? That is absolutely ideal! It means that your professor is the #1 expert on what he's teaching you. I can assure you that the textbook was peer reviewed and published by a publisher because of its academic merit, and the university/academic department approved whatever texts are used in their courses. It's not like the prof self-publishes his textbooks and sells them out of the trunk of his car or on Amazon. And FYI, I am the operations manager at a university press, so I can tell you with 100% certainty that the professor is not making very much money at all on that. We publish several textbooks that are written by the professors of the courses the texts are used in, and they never make more than 8% of the book sales in royalties. That's nothing. I think for our biggest selling textbook last year, with the professor getting 8% of the sales revenue, he ended up with less than $800 for the whole year. The biggest annual royalties cheque I have ever cut for a professor who was teaching his own book was around $2500.

HesCalledDyer

PJ_Soul said:

ldent42 said:

Textbooks. I once had a teacher put a book HE WROTE on the "required materials". That shit should be illegal.

Whoa whoa whoa. I think you're looking at this wrong. Don't you want the professor who is teaching the material to be the one who wrote the material? That is absolutely ideal! It means that your professor is the #1 expert on what he's teaching you. I can assure you that the textbook was peer reviewed and published by a publisher because of its academic merit, and the university/academic department approved whatever texts are used in their courses. It's not like the prof self-publishes his textbooks and sells them out of the trunk of his car or on Amazon. And FYI, I am the operations manager at a university press, so I can tell you with 100% certainty that the professor is not making very much money at all on that. We publish several textbooks that are written by the professors of the courses the texts are used in, and they never make more than 8% of the book sales in royalties. That's nothing. I think for our biggest selling textbook last year, with the professor getting 8% of the sales revenue, he ended up with less than $800 for the whole year. The biggest annual royalties cheque I have ever cut for a professor who was teaching his own book was around $2500.

Eh, I dunno. I had a professor that wrote a textbook. Luckily, I took the class with a different professor. The book was great! But when I had that prof for a couple different classes later on, he was terrible!!

PJfanwillneverleave1

Air for tires.

PJ_Soul

HesCalledDyer said:

PJ_Soul said:

ldent42 said:

Textbooks. I once had a teacher put a book HE WROTE on the "required materials". That shit should be illegal.

Whoa whoa whoa. I think you're looking at this wrong. Don't you want the professor who is teaching the material to be the one who wrote the material? That is absolutely ideal! It means that your professor is the #1 expert on what he's teaching you. I can assure you that the textbook was peer reviewed and published by a publisher because of its academic merit, and the university/academic department approved whatever texts are used in their courses. It's not like the prof self-publishes his textbooks and sells them out of the trunk of his car or on Amazon. And FYI, I am the operations manager at a university press, so I can tell you with 100% certainty that the professor is not making very much money at all on that. We publish several textbooks that are written by the professors of the courses the texts are used in, and they never make more than 8% of the book sales in royalties. That's nothing. I think for our biggest selling textbook last year, with the professor getting 8% of the sales revenue, he ended up with less than $800 for the whole year. The biggest annual royalties cheque I have ever cut for a professor who was teaching his own book was around $2500.

Eh, I dunno. I had a professor that wrote a textbook. Luckily, I took the class with a different professor. The book was great! But when I had that prof for a couple different classes later on, he was terrible!!

Oh, sorry, to be clear, just because a professor wrote a great book it doesn't mean he's a great teacher. I should have said that a textbook written and taught by a good professor who can also teach is ideal (but if he isn't a good teacher, it's still best to have a good textbook, and if that prof with no teaching skills has written that text, there is no reason for him not to use it... imagine how bad he or she might be if they were trying to teach someone else's text!).
But my main point is that looking at a text written by the prof as some kind of shady financial deal set up by the prof is just mistaken thinking. That's not how it works.

ldent42

PJ_Soul said:

HesCalledDyer said:

PJ_Soul said:

ldent42 said:

Textbooks. I once had a teacher put a book HE WROTE on the "required materials". That shit should be illegal.

Whoa whoa whoa. I think you're looking at this wrong. Don't you want the professor who is teaching the material to be the one who wrote the material? That is absolutely ideal! It means that your professor is the #1 expert on what he's teaching you. I can assure you that the textbook was peer reviewed and published by a publisher because of its academic merit, and the university/academic department approved whatever texts are used in their courses. It's not like the prof self-publishes his textbooks and sells them out of the trunk of his car or on Amazon. And FYI, I am the operations manager at a university press, so I can tell you with 100% certainty that the professor is not making very much money at all on that. We publish several textbooks that are written by the professors of the courses the texts are used in, and they never make more than 8% of the book sales in royalties. That's nothing. I think for our biggest selling textbook last year, with the professor getting 8% of the sales revenue, he ended up with less than $800 for the whole year. The biggest annual royalties cheque I have ever cut for a professor who was teaching his own book was around $2500.

Eh, I dunno. I had a professor that wrote a textbook. Luckily, I took the class with a different professor. The book was great! But when I had that prof for a couple different classes later on, he was terrible!!

Oh, sorry, to be clear, just because a professor wrote a great book it doesn't mean he's a great teacher. I should have said that a textbook written and taught by a good professor who can also teach is ideal (but if he isn't a good teacher, it's still best to have a good textbook, and if that prof with no teaching skills has written that text, there is no reason for him not to use it... imagine how bad he or she might be if they were trying to teach someone else's text!).
But my main point is that looking at a text written by the prof as some kind of shady financial deal set up by the prof is just mistaken thinking. That's not how it works.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. But that's okay. I'm not talking about a textbook. I know I said textbook but I talk stupid. It's published by university press so I don't know how you'd call it. Academic book or whatever. And if you're being serious about peer review stuff then ok, but I have to tell you it's not what you think. It's a philosophy class, not like biology or something where there's like right and wrong answers and stuff isn't open to interpretation. More than that it's a foundations philosophy class focusing on texts from Ancient Greece. If the man is an expert then good for him but he ain't the only one. It was one of two books that was required to purchase. Only a couple chapters were used. Everything else was available for free. Out of 5-6 classes in the Philosophy dept in that school that I took there was only one other class that required a textbook (and it was a more modern class, philosophy of science, so it made sense. And that was a textbook textbook. Not just a book.)

I don't work in publishing but I know that the writers of books like that, particularly academic stuff don't get paid the big bucks. What I find shady is that the man is adding his book to a required purchase for like 150 people a year when he's only using two chapters. He owns that material, he could give it to everyone for free and encourage they buy his book cuz it'll be useful for them later. We're talking about source material that is thousands of years old. That shit has been covered already. Most of my "textbooks" I found at the thriftstore randomly and just picked them up just in case. Then when chapter's get assigned from the Republic boom! I've got my 30 year old used $1.50 ready.

And it's not like he only wrote one book and wants to use it the man published that shit in the ninetys and revises it every other year. I learned that while looking for the stupid book online.

Wobbie

over the counter medicine, in general...most of it doesn't do shit and it's absurdly expensive.

when I get sick, I just gut it out.

if they made something for a hangover that worked, I'd pay any price. but they don't...so I take some kirkland ibuprofen that doesn't do anything but is cheap.

whispering hands

imalive said:

over the counter medicine, in general...most of it doesn't do shit and it's absurdly expensive.

when I get sick, I just gut it out.

if they made something for a hangover that worked, I'd pay any price. but they don't...so I take some kirkland ibuprofen that doesn't do anything but is cheap.

Menudo is great for hangovers. And cheap.

whispering hands

And I don't mean the boy band from the 80's.

ldent42

whispering hands said:

And I don't mean the boy band from the 80's.

Literally the first thing I thought of.

PJ_Soul

ldent42 said:

PJ_Soul said:

HesCalledDyer said:

PJ_Soul said:

ldent42 said:

Textbooks. I once had a teacher put a book HE WROTE on the "required materials". That shit should be illegal.

Whoa whoa whoa. I think you're looking at this wrong. Don't you want the professor who is teaching the material to be the one who wrote the material? That is absolutely ideal! It means that your professor is the #1 expert on what he's teaching you. I can assure you that the textbook was peer reviewed and published by a publisher because of its academic merit, and the university/academic department approved whatever texts are used in their courses. It's not like the prof self-publishes his textbooks and sells them out of the trunk of his car or on Amazon. And FYI, I am the operations manager at a university press, so I can tell you with 100% certainty that the professor is not making very much money at all on that. We publish several textbooks that are written by the professors of the courses the texts are used in, and they never make more than 8% of the book sales in royalties. That's nothing. I think for our biggest selling textbook last year, with the professor getting 8% of the sales revenue, he ended up with less than $800 for the whole year. The biggest annual royalties cheque I have ever cut for a professor who was teaching his own book was around $2500.

Eh, I dunno. I had a professor that wrote a textbook. Luckily, I took the class with a different professor. The book was great! But when I had that prof for a couple different classes later on, he was terrible!!

Oh, sorry, to be clear, just because a professor wrote a great book it doesn't mean he's a great teacher. I should have said that a textbook written and taught by a good professor who can also teach is ideal (but if he isn't a good teacher, it's still best to have a good textbook, and if that prof with no teaching skills has written that text, there is no reason for him not to use it... imagine how bad he or she might be if they were trying to teach someone else's text!).
But my main point is that looking at a text written by the prof as some kind of shady financial deal set up by the prof is just mistaken thinking. That's not how it works.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. But that's okay. I'm not talking about a textbook. I know I said textbook but I talk stupid. It's published by university press so I don't know how you'd call it. Academic book or whatever. And if you're being serious about peer review stuff then ok, but I have to tell you it's not what you think. It's a philosophy class, not like biology or something where there's like right and wrong answers and stuff isn't open to interpretation. More than that it's a foundations philosophy class focusing on texts from Ancient Greece. If the man is an expert then good for him but he ain't the only one. It was one of two books that was required to purchase. Only a couple chapters were used. Everything else was available for free. Out of 5-6 classes in the Philosophy dept in that school that I took there was only one other class that required a textbook (and it was a more modern class, philosophy of science, so it made sense. And that was a textbook textbook. Not just a book.)

I don't work in publishing but I know that the writers of books like that, particularly academic stuff don't get paid the big bucks. What I find shady is that the man is adding his book to a required purchase for like 150 people a year when he's only using two chapters. He owns that material, he could give it to everyone for free and encourage they buy his book cuz it'll be useful for them later. We're talking about source material that is thousands of years old. That shit has been covered already. Most of my "textbooks" I found at the thriftstore randomly and just picked them up just in case. Then when chapter's get assigned from the Republic boom! I've got my 30 year old used $1.50 ready.

And it's not like he only wrote one book and wants to use it the man published that shit in the ninetys and revises it every other year. I learned that while looking for the stupid book online.

I was being serious, yes (not sure what made you wonder if I was being sarcastic, lol!). I work at a university press so know exactly what really happens. It doesn't matter what subject it is. All textbooks (not sure what your distinction about textbooks vs academic books?? They're the same thing, no? Are you just talking about some photocopied pages that are stapled together then?? If so, that is a whole different thing. FYI, a University Press is generally an extremely reputable publishing house. So maybe you're confusing a University Press with a university's reprographics department that just fulfills printing orders??) are pretty much done the same way. They are peer reviewed. If it's a biology text it would be peer reviewed by biologists. If it were a philosophy text it would be peer reviewed by philosophers/other philosophy professors. Subjective material is still peer reviewed, so that other experts in the field can evaluate that subjective material and tell the publisher if they think it is well presented and reasonable, or flawed and wrong, or presented poorly.

If your professor's book happened to be the only one that contained the material the prof wanted to teach (which is perfectly possible), then it makes total sense that he would use his own textbook. However, if you mean that he literally had written a textbook that was just filled with old source material and no original work (so an Anthology), and only used 1 or 2 chapters from that, then yes, that is a ripoff, but not really, because it would be pretty silly of any student to actually pay for it..... If he used the whole anthology, or at least a lot of it, and the anthology contained his own work as well, i.e. interpretations, discussion points, etc, and I think you said it did, it seems perfectly reasonable.

As for owning that material in the textbook... actually, he probably doesn't. Most textbook contracts between the author and the press would give copyright to the publisher alone, not the author. If he wanted to hand out that stuff to his class for free, then he would have to just print out the source material indepent from the textbook... but again, surely there was material in that textbook besides the old and easily accessible source material that has no copyright on it??? If not, then whatever publishing house that published that book should be ashamed of itself.

Sorry.... this is a long talk about the fine details of textbook publishing, which I'm sure is very boring for everyone.

ldent42

Well have to agree to disagree. It's a grimey move to make your students buy the book you wrote.

whispering hands

ldent42 said:

Well have to agree to disagree. It's a grimey move to make your students buy the book you wrote.

I definitely agree with you! Especially if there is another text out there in the same subject, for a cheaper price, which was the case in my English class.

whispering hands

Although I
Also see PJ_Soul's point in royalties. I get a whopping .01 cent for every copy of my
Livestock Integrations; husbandry, breeding, and the ecological affect. Book that's sold or used at OKU's A&M campus. So far in the last ten years.. I've made 72 dollars and some odd cents! So she is right in the fact they don't make much.. At ALL! But still shady and not right in
My opinion.

Longueuil

RKCNDY said:

I hate buying water...I'm perfectly fine bringing my own, but some venues/fairs won't let you bring your own, you have to buy it from them. They jack up the prices more than soda sometimes too...and you wonder why people are fat?

That's why I always have a soft bottle in my purse. Most venues will check your bag, won't find it and you can fill it inside. Ecological and economical.


I can't stand buying financial services or insurance. Even with all my will, I don't understand much of it. Also, I hate shopping for a new car.