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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    Care to retract the bolded portion of your claim? And as callen stated, we didn't invade Libya despite the war mongers demands to do so. Its interesting how you misrepresent what you read to shape your desired outcome. Kind of like Cheney, et. al. come to think of it.

    What am I retracting? Blumenthal was sending Hillary info on her private server probably in violation of the Foreign Agents Registration Act. If it wasn't for gawker none of us would even know about it.

    Also...you invaded Libya from the air without any thought of the aftermath. Sorry buddy...the lack of groundtroops doesn't make it any less of an invasion.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    BS44325 said:

    Care to retract the bolded portion of your claim? And as callen stated, we didn't invade Libya despite the war mongers demands to do so. Its interesting how you misrepresent what you read to shape your desired outcome. Kind of like Cheney, et. al. come to think of it.

    What am I retracting? Blumenthal was sending Hillary info on her private server probably in violation of the Foreign Agents Registration Act. If it wasn't for gawker none of us would even know about it.

    Also...you invaded Libya from the air without any thought of the aftermath. Sorry buddy...the lack of groundtroops doesn't make it any less of an invasion.
    So it was a coalition but agree may not have been the thing to do but blaming Hillary is silly. But let's say she orchestrated whole Lydia thing, yes I'm playing along, it did create shit. So what.

    You propose we continue this folly strategy. And using another countries resources and lives and killing many thousands more and spending billions more and creating more hate. Sorry your position is ignorant or worse malicious.

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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    callen said:

    BS44325 said:

    Care to retract the bolded portion of your claim? And as callen stated, we didn't invade Libya despite the war mongers demands to do so. Its interesting how you misrepresent what you read to shape your desired outcome. Kind of like Cheney, et. al. come to think of it.

    What am I retracting? Blumenthal was sending Hillary info on her private server probably in violation of the Foreign Agents Registration Act. If it wasn't for gawker none of us would even know about it.

    Also...you invaded Libya from the air without any thought of the aftermath. Sorry buddy...the lack of groundtroops doesn't make it any less of an invasion.
    So it was a coalition but agree may not have been the thing to do but blaming Hillary is silly. But let's say she orchestrated whole Lydia thing, yes I'm playing along, it did create shit. So what.

    You propose we continue this folly strategy. And using another countries resources and lives and killing many thousands more and spending billions more and creating more hate. Sorry your position is ignorant or worse malicious.

    I don't blame Hillary in entirety. In the end it is Obama who gets to make the call. Hillary just happens to be the one running on his record and how she has "learned from her mistake". Lastly, the strategy of taking out a dictator from and running away has not been something I ever have proposed. It's you guys who wanted to do the running.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675

    what's a Jeb? some kind of candy?

    Yes, it's like a Good and Plenty. Was that the licorice one?
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    BS44325 said:

    callen said:

    BS44325 said:

    Care to retract the bolded portion of your claim? And as callen stated, we didn't invade Libya despite the war mongers demands to do so. Its interesting how you misrepresent what you read to shape your desired outcome. Kind of like Cheney, et. al. come to think of it.

    What am I retracting? Blumenthal was sending Hillary info on her private server probably in violation of the Foreign Agents Registration Act. If it wasn't for gawker none of us would even know about it.

    Also...you invaded Libya from the air without any thought of the aftermath. Sorry buddy...the lack of groundtroops doesn't make it any less of an invasion.
    So it was a coalition but agree may not have been the thing to do but blaming Hillary is silly. But let's say she orchestrated whole Lydia thing, yes I'm playing along, it did create shit. So what.

    You propose we continue this folly strategy. And using another countries resources and lives and killing many thousands more and spending billions more and creating more hate. Sorry your position is ignorant or worse malicious.

    I don't blame Hillary in entirety. In the end it is Obama who gets to make the call. Hillary just happens to be the one running on his record and how she has "learned from her mistake". Lastly, the strategy of taking out a dictator from and running away has not been something I ever have proposed. It's you guys who wanted to do the running.
    Who is "you guys"?
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    It is just absolutely hilarious watching those idiots respond to Iraq questions. They have to be so careful of what they say because they have dumbed down their base so much they can't begin to touch on the truth without looking like a complete hypocrite.


    it just speaks to the dissonance that you have to have to be a republican presidential candidate.

    funny thing is, more and more republicans feel that we should not be getting involved in other countries or regions. the fiscal commitment to such a war would be questioned by today's republicans. going into iraq would fly in the face of those principles. these clowns think they are going to win the white house by saying they would make the same decision to invade even if they know what they know now. morons.
    Exactly they will never admit what a gigantic mistake it was to have invaded ...
    And the next democratic nominee will have to admit that it was a gigantic mistake to leave Iraq
    Again I'll have more respect for a man that admits their mistakes that led to this mess let's come to terms with the 1st mistake ok
    In the next election you will have a democratic candidate who both voted for the initial invasion and then presided over the withdrawal. Let's see what level of respect that generates.
    can we please stop perpetuating the incredibly false narrative that obama pulled the troops out of iraq?

    i am so sick of stating it and restating it, but george w bush signed the status of forces agreement that set a withdrawl date, and he signed it before obama was even elected. bush tied obama's hands. obama wanted the troops to stay, but iraq said no. we got kicked out. please stop lying about what actually happened.
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  • InHiding80InHiding80 Posts: 7,623

    what's a Jeb? some kind of candy?

    I thought he founded Springfield even though some little girl named Lisa Simpson tells me he's a fraud.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303

    what's a Jeb? some kind of candy?

    I thought he founded Springfield even though some little girl named Lisa Simpson tells me he's a fraud.
    :lol:

    nice!
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    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Fucken Dubya 2.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    It is just absolutely hilarious watching those idiots respond to Iraq questions. They have to be so careful of what they say because they have dumbed down their base so much they can't begin to touch on the truth without looking like a complete hypocrite.


    it just speaks to the dissonance that you have to have to be a republican presidential candidate.

    funny thing is, more and more republicans feel that we should not be getting involved in other countries or regions. the fiscal commitment to such a war would be questioned by today's republicans. going into iraq would fly in the face of those principles. these clowns think they are going to win the white house by saying they would make the same decision to invade even if they know what they know now. morons.
    Exactly they will never admit what a gigantic mistake it was to have invaded ...
    And the next democratic nominee will have to admit that it was a gigantic mistake to leave Iraq
    Again I'll have more respect for a man that admits their mistakes that led to this mess let's come to terms with the 1st mistake ok
    In the next election you will have a democratic candidate who both voted for the initial invasion and then presided over the withdrawal. Let's see what level of respect that generates.
    can we please stop perpetuating the incredibly false narrative that obama pulled the troops out of iraq?

    i am so sick of stating it and restating it, but george w bush signed the status of forces agreement that set a withdrawl date, and he signed it before obama was even elected. bush tied obama's hands. obama wanted the troops to stay, but iraq said no. we got kicked out. please stop lying about what actually happened.
    Ha. Plain old ridiculous. Obama ran for election on withdrawing. He wanted to withdraw. McCain wanted to stay. Call McCain wrong if you want but he would have stayed regardless of what the status of forces agreement said...he would have negotiated a new one. Withdrawal is the policy you wanted. Own it.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,025
    Maybe Jeb should be running on his brother's record then and wholeheartedly espousing what a great idea it was to invade Iraq. It'll surely get him the nomination and the White House, according to you and Cheney.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    Maybe Jeb should be running on his brother's record then and wholeheartedly espousing what a great idea it was to invade Iraq. It'll surely get him the nomination and the White House, according to you and Cheney.

    Could be interesting actually...

    Jeb who thought invading and staying in Iraq was smart

    Vs

    Hillary who thought invading Iraq was smart and then thought leaving it was smart and then thought not invading would have been smart but then thought invading Libya would be smart.

    Nice juxtaposition
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    callen said:

    BS44325 said:

    Care to retract the bolded portion of your claim? And as callen stated, we didn't invade Libya despite the war mongers demands to do so. Its interesting how you misrepresent what you read to shape your desired outcome. Kind of like Cheney, et. al. come to think of it.

    What am I retracting? Blumenthal was sending Hillary info on her private server probably in violation of the Foreign Agents Registration Act. If it wasn't for gawker none of us would even know about it.

    Also...you invaded Libya from the air without any thought of the aftermath. Sorry buddy...the lack of groundtroops doesn't make it any less of an invasion.
    So it was a coalition but agree may not have been the thing to do but blaming Hillary is silly. But let's say she orchestrated whole Lydia thing, yes I'm playing along, it did create shit. So what.

    You propose we continue this folly strategy. And using another countries resources and lives and killing many thousands more and spending billions more and creating more hate. Sorry your position is ignorant or worse malicious.

    It looks like Hillary's emails are confirming her as being the engineer behind the Libya campaign.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/242982-email-calls-clinton-public-face-of-us-effort-in-libya

    "Instrumental in securing the authorization, building the coalition, and tightening the noose around Qadhafi and his regime.”
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    It is just absolutely hilarious watching those idiots respond to Iraq questions. They have to be so careful of what they say because they have dumbed down their base so much they can't begin to touch on the truth without looking like a complete hypocrite.


    it just speaks to the dissonance that you have to have to be a republican presidential candidate.

    funny thing is, more and more republicans feel that we should not be getting involved in other countries or regions. the fiscal commitment to such a war would be questioned by today's republicans. going into iraq would fly in the face of those principles. these clowns think they are going to win the white house by saying they would make the same decision to invade even if they know what they know now. morons.
    Exactly they will never admit what a gigantic mistake it was to have invaded ...
    And the next democratic nominee will have to admit that it was a gigantic mistake to leave Iraq
    Again I'll have more respect for a man that admits their mistakes that led to this mess let's come to terms with the 1st mistake ok
    In the next election you will have a democratic candidate who both voted for the initial invasion and then presided over the withdrawal. Let's see what level of respect that generates.
    can we please stop perpetuating the incredibly false narrative that obama pulled the troops out of iraq?

    i am so sick of stating it and restating it, but george w bush signed the status of forces agreement that set a withdrawl date, and he signed it before obama was even elected. bush tied obama's hands. obama wanted the troops to stay, but iraq said no. we got kicked out. please stop lying about what actually happened.
    Ha. Plain old ridiculous. Obama ran for election on withdrawing. He wanted to withdraw. McCain wanted to stay. Call McCain wrong if you want but he would have stayed regardless of what the status of forces agreement said...he would have negotiated a new one. Withdrawal is the policy you wanted. Own it.
    You are correct Obama campaigned to pull us out and you know what happened? Majority of country backed that view.and voted for him. . And it was the right thing and good we are out and have feeling majority still want us to keep out. even with the constant barrage of propaganda shoved down out throats by corporate benefitting Media.

    How can we be so gullible.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    It is just absolutely hilarious watching those idiots respond to Iraq questions. They have to be so careful of what they say because they have dumbed down their base so much they can't begin to touch on the truth without looking like a complete hypocrite.


    it just speaks to the dissonance that you have to have to be a republican presidential candidate.

    funny thing is, more and more republicans feel that we should not be getting involved in other countries or regions. the fiscal commitment to such a war would be questioned by today's republicans. going into iraq would fly in the face of those principles. these clowns think they are going to win the white house by saying they would make the same decision to invade even if they know what they know now. morons.
    Exactly they will never admit what a gigantic mistake it was to have invaded ...
    And the next democratic nominee will have to admit that it was a gigantic mistake to leave Iraq
    Again I'll have more respect for a man that admits their mistakes that led to this mess let's come to terms with the 1st mistake ok
    In the next election you will have a democratic candidate who both voted for the initial invasion and then presided over the withdrawal. Let's see what level of respect that generates.
    can we please stop perpetuating the incredibly false narrative that obama pulled the troops out of iraq?

    i am so sick of stating it and restating it, but george w bush signed the status of forces agreement that set a withdrawl date, and he signed it before obama was even elected. bush tied obama's hands. obama wanted the troops to stay, but iraq said no. we got kicked out. please stop lying about what actually happened.
    Ha. Plain old ridiculous. Obama ran for election on withdrawing. He wanted to withdraw. McCain wanted to stay. Call McCain wrong if you want but he would have stayed regardless of what the status of forces agreement said...he would have negotiated a new one. Withdrawal is the policy you wanted. Own it.
    please.

    again, lay off of the fox news and the right wing talk radio.

    mccain is too much of a hothead to negotiate anything. it is his way or no way, and when trying to negotiate with an entire region who views things differently than you do, stubbornness and sheer will is not going to get a deal made..

    mccain could not have negotiated a new status of forces agreement. there was a democratic congress. the american people wanted us out. iraq wanted us out. saudi arabia wanted us out. iran wanted us out. all of the muslim countries in the middle east wanted us out. our own generals wants us out. mccain was not going to influence every single one of them to allow us to stay.

    again, you can not blame the successor for the deal made by the predecessor.

    bush tied obama's hands. bush took a giant shit in a room and rubbed it all over the walls and obama had to clean it up. i give obama credit for getting us out. i own it. bush gets the blame for getting us in there in the first place.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    It is just absolutely hilarious watching those idiots respond to Iraq questions. They have to be so careful of what they say because they have dumbed down their base so much they can't begin to touch on the truth without looking like a complete hypocrite.


    it just speaks to the dissonance that you have to have to be a republican presidential candidate.

    funny thing is, more and more republicans feel that we should not be getting involved in other countries or regions. the fiscal commitment to such a war would be questioned by today's republicans. going into iraq would fly in the face of those principles. these clowns think they are going to win the white house by saying they would make the same decision to invade even if they know what they know now. morons.
    Exactly they will never admit what a gigantic mistake it was to have invaded ...
    And the next democratic nominee will have to admit that it was a gigantic mistake to leave Iraq
    Again I'll have more respect for a man that admits their mistakes that led to this mess let's come to terms with the 1st mistake ok
    In the next election you will have a democratic candidate who both voted for the initial invasion and then presided over the withdrawal. Let's see what level of respect that generates.
    can we please stop perpetuating the incredibly false narrative that obama pulled the troops out of iraq?

    i am so sick of stating it and restating it, but george w bush signed the status of forces agreement that set a withdrawl date, and he signed it before obama was even elected. bush tied obama's hands. obama wanted the troops to stay, but iraq said no. we got kicked out. please stop lying about what actually happened.
    Ha. Plain old ridiculous. Obama ran for election on withdrawing. He wanted to withdraw. McCain wanted to stay. Call McCain wrong if you want but he would have stayed regardless of what the status of forces agreement said...he would have negotiated a new one. Withdrawal is the policy you wanted. Own it.
    please.

    again, lay off of the fox news and the right wing talk radio.

    mccain is too much of a hothead to negotiate anything. it is his way or no way, and when trying to negotiate with an entire region who views things differently than you do, stubbornness and sheer will is not going to get a deal made..

    mccain could not have negotiated a new status of forces agreement. there was a democratic congress. the american people wanted us out. iraq wanted us out. saudi arabia wanted us out. iran wanted us out. all of the muslim countries in the middle east wanted us out. our own generals wants us out. mccain was not going to influence every single one of them to allow us to stay.

    again, you can not blame the successor for the deal made by the predecessor.

    bush tied obama's hands. bush took a giant shit in a room and rubbed it all over the walls and obama had to clean it up. i give obama credit for getting us out. i own it. bush gets the blame for getting us in there in the first place.
    Of all those countries only Iran wanted us out but good on you for owning it.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    It is just absolutely hilarious watching those idiots respond to Iraq questions. They have to be so careful of what they say because they have dumbed down their base so much they can't begin to touch on the truth without looking like a complete hypocrite.


    it just speaks to the dissonance that you have to have to be a republican presidential candidate.

    funny thing is, more and more republicans feel that we should not be getting involved in other countries or regions. the fiscal commitment to such a war would be questioned by today's republicans. going into iraq would fly in the face of those principles. these clowns think they are going to win the white house by saying they would make the same decision to invade even if they know what they know now. morons.
    Exactly they will never admit what a gigantic mistake it was to have invaded ...
    And the next democratic nominee will have to admit that it was a gigantic mistake to leave Iraq
    Again I'll have more respect for a man that admits their mistakes that led to this mess let's come to terms with the 1st mistake ok
    In the next election you will have a democratic candidate who both voted for the initial invasion and then presided over the withdrawal. Let's see what level of respect that generates.
    can we please stop perpetuating the incredibly false narrative that obama pulled the troops out of iraq?

    i am so sick of stating it and restating it, but george w bush signed the status of forces agreement that set a withdrawl date, and he signed it before obama was even elected. bush tied obama's hands. obama wanted the troops to stay, but iraq said no. we got kicked out. please stop lying about what actually happened.
    Ha. Plain old ridiculous. Obama ran for election on withdrawing. He wanted to withdraw. McCain wanted to stay. Call McCain wrong if you want but he would have stayed regardless of what the status of forces agreement said...he would have negotiated a new one. Withdrawal is the policy you wanted. Own it.
    please.

    again, lay off of the fox news and the right wing talk radio.

    mccain is too much of a hothead to negotiate anything. it is his way or no way, and when trying to negotiate with an entire region who views things differently than you do, stubbornness and sheer will is not going to get a deal made..

    mccain could not have negotiated a new status of forces agreement. there was a democratic congress. the american people wanted us out. iraq wanted us out. saudi arabia wanted us out. iran wanted us out. all of the muslim countries in the middle east wanted us out. our own generals wants us out. mccain was not going to influence every single one of them to allow us to stay.

    again, you can not blame the successor for the deal made by the predecessor.

    bush tied obama's hands. bush took a giant shit in a room and rubbed it all over the walls and obama had to clean it up. i give obama credit for getting us out. i own it. bush gets the blame for getting us in there in the first place.
    Of all those countries only Iran wanted us out but good on you for owning it.
    you have to own the actual breaking of iraq because you supported the bush invasion. the history revision you have been doing is proof enough of that.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,025
    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    It is just absolutely hilarious watching those idiots respond to Iraq questions. They have to be so careful of what they say because they have dumbed down their base so much they can't begin to touch on the truth without looking like a complete hypocrite.


    it just speaks to the dissonance that you have to have to be a republican presidential candidate.

    funny thing is, more and more republicans feel that we should not be getting involved in other countries or regions. the fiscal commitment to such a war would be questioned by today's republicans. going into iraq would fly in the face of those principles. these clowns think they are going to win the white house by saying they would make the same decision to invade even if they know what they know now. morons.
    Exactly they will never admit what a gigantic mistake it was to have invaded ...
    And the next democratic nominee will have to admit that it was a gigantic mistake to leave Iraq
    Again I'll have more respect for a man that admits their mistakes that led to this mess let's come to terms with the 1st mistake ok
    In the next election you will have a democratic candidate who both voted for the initial invasion and then presided over the withdrawal. Let's see what level of respect that generates.
    can we please stop perpetuating the incredibly false narrative that obama pulled the troops out of iraq?

    i am so sick of stating it and restating it, but george w bush signed the status of forces agreement that set a withdrawl date, and he signed it before obama was even elected. bush tied obama's hands. obama wanted the troops to stay, but iraq said no. we got kicked out. please stop lying about what actually happened.
    Ha. Plain old ridiculous. Obama ran for election on withdrawing. He wanted to withdraw. McCain wanted to stay. Call McCain wrong if you want but he would have stayed regardless of what the status of forces agreement said...he would have negotiated a new one. Withdrawal is the policy you wanted. Own it.
    please.

    again, lay off of the fox news and the right wing talk radio.

    mccain is too much of a hothead to negotiate anything. it is his way or no way, and when trying to negotiate with an entire region who views things differently than you do, stubbornness and sheer will is not going to get a deal made..

    mccain could not have negotiated a new status of forces agreement. there was a democratic congress. the american people wanted us out. iraq wanted us out. saudi arabia wanted us out. iran wanted us out. all of the muslim countries in the middle east wanted us out. our own generals wants us out. mccain was not going to influence every single one of them to allow us to stay.

    again, you can not blame the successor for the deal made by the predecessor.

    bush tied obama's hands. bush took a giant shit in a room and rubbed it all over the walls and obama had to clean it up. i give obama credit for getting us out. i own it. bush gets the blame for getting us in there in the first place.
    Of all those countries only Iran wanted us out but good on you for owning it.
    Please link us to a reputable source that tells us Iraq wanted us go stay. Maybe in Maliki's own words. I love how you just make shit up. How are the Saudis doing in Yemen by the way?
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    It is just absolutely hilarious watching those idiots respond to Iraq questions. They have to be so careful of what they say because they have dumbed down their base so much they can't begin to touch on the truth without looking like a complete hypocrite.


    it just speaks to the dissonance that you have to have to be a republican presidential candidate.

    funny thing is, more and more republicans feel that we should not be getting involved in other countries or regions. the fiscal commitment to such a war would be questioned by today's republicans. going into iraq would fly in the face of those principles. these clowns think they are going to win the white house by saying they would make the same decision to invade even if they know what they know now. morons.
    Exactly they will never admit what a gigantic mistake it was to have invaded ...
    And the next democratic nominee will have to admit that it was a gigantic mistake to leave Iraq
    Again I'll have more respect for a man that admits their mistakes that led to this mess let's come to terms with the 1st mistake ok
    In the next election you will have a democratic candidate who both voted for the initial invasion and then presided over the withdrawal. Let's see what level of respect that generates.
    can we please stop perpetuating the incredibly false narrative that obama pulled the troops out of iraq?

    i am so sick of stating it and restating it, but george w bush signed the status of forces agreement that set a withdrawl date, and he signed it before obama was even elected. bush tied obama's hands. obama wanted the troops to stay, but iraq said no. we got kicked out. please stop lying about what actually happened.
    Ha. Plain old ridiculous. Obama ran for election on withdrawing. He wanted to withdraw. McCain wanted to stay. Call McCain wrong if you want but he would have stayed regardless of what the status of forces agreement said...he would have negotiated a new one. Withdrawal is the policy you wanted. Own it.
    please.

    again, lay off of the fox news and the right wing talk radio.

    mccain is too much of a hothead to negotiate anything. it is his way or no way, and when trying to negotiate with an entire region who views things differently than you do, stubbornness and sheer will is not going to get a deal made..

    mccain could not have negotiated a new status of forces agreement. there was a democratic congress. the american people wanted us out. iraq wanted us out. saudi arabia wanted us out. iran wanted us out. all of the muslim countries in the middle east wanted us out. our own generals wants us out. mccain was not going to influence every single one of them to allow us to stay.

    again, you can not blame the successor for the deal made by the predecessor.

    bush tied obama's hands. bush took a giant shit in a room and rubbed it all over the walls and obama had to clean it up. i give obama credit for getting us out. i own it. bush gets the blame for getting us in there in the first place.
    Of all those countries only Iran wanted us out but good on you for owning it.
    you have to own the actual breaking of iraq because you supported the bush invasion. the history revision you have been doing is proof enough of that.
    I do own that which is why I think the withdrawal was a massive mistake. As per Colin Powell pre-invasion "you break it, you own it". Leaving is washing your hands of a problem your country actively participated in.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    It is just absolutely hilarious watching those idiots respond to Iraq questions. They have to be so careful of what they say because they have dumbed down their base so much they can't begin to touch on the truth without looking like a complete hypocrite.


    it just speaks to the dissonance that you have to have to be a republican presidential candidate.

    funny thing is, more and more republicans feel that we should not be getting involved in other countries or regions. the fiscal commitment to such a war would be questioned by today's republicans. going into iraq would fly in the face of those principles. these clowns think they are going to win the white house by saying they would make the same decision to invade even if they know what they know now. morons.
    Exactly they will never admit what a gigantic mistake it was to have invaded ...
    And the next democratic nominee will have to admit that it was a gigantic mistake to leave Iraq
    Again I'll have more respect for a man that admits their mistakes that led to this mess let's come to terms with the 1st mistake ok
    In the next election you will have a democratic candidate who both voted for the initial invasion and then presided over the withdrawal. Let's see what level of respect that generates.
    can we please stop perpetuating the incredibly false narrative that obama pulled the troops out of iraq?

    i am so sick of stating it and restating it, but george w bush signed the status of forces agreement that set a withdrawl date, and he signed it before obama was even elected. bush tied obama's hands. obama wanted the troops to stay, but iraq said no. we got kicked out. please stop lying about what actually happened.
    Ha. Plain old ridiculous. Obama ran for election on withdrawing. He wanted to withdraw. McCain wanted to stay. Call McCain wrong if you want but he would have stayed regardless of what the status of forces agreement said...he would have negotiated a new one. Withdrawal is the policy you wanted. Own it.
    please.

    again, lay off of the fox news and the right wing talk radio.

    mccain is too much of a hothead to negotiate anything. it is his way or no way, and when trying to negotiate with an entire region who views things differently than you do, stubbornness and sheer will is not going to get a deal made..

    mccain could not have negotiated a new status of forces agreement. there was a democratic congress. the american people wanted us out. iraq wanted us out. saudi arabia wanted us out. iran wanted us out. all of the muslim countries in the middle east wanted us out. our own generals wants us out. mccain was not going to influence every single one of them to allow us to stay.

    again, you can not blame the successor for the deal made by the predecessor.

    bush tied obama's hands. bush took a giant shit in a room and rubbed it all over the walls and obama had to clean it up. i give obama credit for getting us out. i own it. bush gets the blame for getting us in there in the first place.
    Of all those countries only Iran wanted us out but good on you for owning it.
    Please link us to a reputable source that tells us Iraq wanted us go stay. Maybe in Maliki's own words. I love how you just make shit up. How are the Saudis doing in Yemen by the way?
    Not well.
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    It is just absolutely hilarious watching those idiots respond to Iraq questions. They have to be so careful of what they say because they have dumbed down their base so much they can't begin to touch on the truth without looking like a complete hypocrite.


    it just speaks to the dissonance that you have to have to be a republican presidential candidate.

    funny thing is, more and more republicans feel that we should not be getting involved in other countries or regions. the fiscal commitment to such a war would be questioned by today's republicans. going into iraq would fly in the face of those principles. these clowns think they are going to win the white house by saying they would make the same decision to invade even if they know what they know now. morons.
    Exactly they will never admit what a gigantic mistake it was to have invaded ...
    And the next democratic nominee will have to admit that it was a gigantic mistake to leave Iraq
    Again I'll have more respect for a man that admits their mistakes that led to this mess let's come to terms with the 1st mistake ok
    In the next election you will have a democratic candidate who both voted for the initial invasion and then presided over the withdrawal. Let's see what level of respect that generates.
    can we please stop perpetuating the incredibly false narrative that obama pulled the troops out of iraq?

    i am so sick of stating it and restating it, but george w bush signed the status of forces agreement that set a withdrawl date, and he signed it before obama was even elected. bush tied obama's hands. obama wanted the troops to stay, but iraq said no. we got kicked out. please stop lying about what actually happened.
    Ha. Plain old ridiculous. Obama ran for election on withdrawing. He wanted to withdraw. McCain wanted to stay. Call McCain wrong if you want but he would have stayed regardless of what the status of forces agreement said...he would have negotiated a new one. Withdrawal is the policy you wanted. Own it.
    please.

    again, lay off of the fox news and the right wing talk radio.

    mccain is too much of a hothead to negotiate anything. it is his way or no way, and when trying to negotiate with an entire region who views things differently than you do, stubbornness and sheer will is not going to get a deal made..

    mccain could not have negotiated a new status of forces agreement. there was a democratic congress. the american people wanted us out. iraq wanted us out. saudi arabia wanted us out. iran wanted us out. all of the muslim countries in the middle east wanted us out. our own generals wants us out. mccain was not going to influence every single one of them to allow us to stay.

    again, you can not blame the successor for the deal made by the predecessor.

    bush tied obama's hands. bush took a giant shit in a room and rubbed it all over the walls and obama had to clean it up. i give obama credit for getting us out. i own it. bush gets the blame for getting us in there in the first place.
    Of all those countries only Iran wanted us out but good on you for owning it.
    you have to own the actual breaking of iraq because you supported the bush invasion. the history revision you have been doing is proof enough of that.
    I do own that which is why I think the withdrawal was a massive mistake. As per Colin Powell pre-invasion "you break it, you own it". Leaving is washing your hands of a problem your country actively participated in.
    Further action breaks it even more. Christian soldiers in Muslim world doesn't work.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    callen said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    It is just absolutely hilarious watching those idiots respond to Iraq questions. They have to be so careful of what they say because they have dumbed down their base so much they can't begin to touch on the truth without looking like a complete hypocrite.


    it just speaks to the dissonance that you have to have to be a republican presidential candidate.

    funny thing is, more and more republicans feel that we should not be getting involved in other countries or regions. the fiscal commitment to such a war would be questioned by today's republicans. going into iraq would fly in the face of those principles. these clowns think they are going to win the white house by saying they would make the same decision to invade even if they know what they know now. morons.
    Exactly they will never admit what a gigantic mistake it was to have invaded ...
    And the next democratic nominee will have to admit that it was a gigantic mistake to leave Iraq
    Again I'll have more respect for a man that admits their mistakes that led to this mess let's come to terms with the 1st mistake ok
    In the next election you will have a democratic candidate who both voted for the initial invasion and then presided over the withdrawal. Let's see what level of respect that generates.
    can we please stop perpetuating the incredibly false narrative that obama pulled the troops out of iraq?

    i am so sick of stating it and restating it, but george w bush signed the status of forces agreement that set a withdrawl date, and he signed it before obama was even elected. bush tied obama's hands. obama wanted the troops to stay, but iraq said no. we got kicked out. please stop lying about what actually happened.
    Ha. Plain old ridiculous. Obama ran for election on withdrawing. He wanted to withdraw. McCain wanted to stay. Call McCain wrong if you want but he would have stayed regardless of what the status of forces agreement said...he would have negotiated a new one. Withdrawal is the policy you wanted. Own it.
    please.

    again, lay off of the fox news and the right wing talk radio.

    mccain is too much of a hothead to negotiate anything. it is his way or no way, and when trying to negotiate with an entire region who views things differently than you do, stubbornness and sheer will is not going to get a deal made..

    mccain could not have negotiated a new status of forces agreement. there was a democratic congress. the american people wanted us out. iraq wanted us out. saudi arabia wanted us out. iran wanted us out. all of the muslim countries in the middle east wanted us out. our own generals wants us out. mccain was not going to influence every single one of them to allow us to stay.

    again, you can not blame the successor for the deal made by the predecessor.

    bush tied obama's hands. bush took a giant shit in a room and rubbed it all over the walls and obama had to clean it up. i give obama credit for getting us out. i own it. bush gets the blame for getting us in there in the first place.
    Of all those countries only Iran wanted us out but good on you for owning it.
    you have to own the actual breaking of iraq because you supported the bush invasion. the history revision you have been doing is proof enough of that.
    I do own that which is why I think the withdrawal was a massive mistake. As per Colin Powell pre-invasion "you break it, you own it". Leaving is washing your hands of a problem your country actively participated in.
    Further action breaks it even more. Christian soldiers in Muslim world doesn't work.
    When sunni and shia want to slaughter each other it is the christian who can play the honest broker. It is sect vs sect and tribe vs tribe right now. An impartial referee is needed.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,025
    BS44325 said:

    callen said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    It is just absolutely hilarious watching those idiots respond to Iraq questions. They have to be so careful of what they say because they have dumbed down their base so much they can't begin to touch on the truth without looking like a complete hypocrite.


    it just speaks to the dissonance that you have to have to be a republican presidential candidate.

    funny thing is, more and more republicans feel that we should not be getting involved in other countries or regions. the fiscal commitment to such a war would be questioned by today's republicans. going into iraq would fly in the face of those principles. these clowns think they are going to win the white house by saying they would make the same decision to invade even if they know what they know now. morons.
    Exactly they will never admit what a gigantic mistake it was to have invaded ...
    And the next democratic nominee will have to admit that it was a gigantic mistake to leave Iraq
    Again I'll have more respect for a man that admits their mistakes that led to this mess let's come to terms with the 1st mistake ok
    In the next election you will have a democratic candidate who both voted for the initial invasion and then presided over the withdrawal. Let's see what level of respect that generates.
    can we please stop perpetuating the incredibly false narrative that obama pulled the troops out of iraq?

    i am so sick of stating it and restating it, but george w bush signed the status of forces agreement that set a withdrawl date, and he signed it before obama was even elected. bush tied obama's hands. obama wanted the troops to stay, but iraq said no. we got kicked out. please stop lying about what actually happened.
    Ha. Plain old ridiculous. Obama ran for election on withdrawing. He wanted to withdraw. McCain wanted to stay. Call McCain wrong if you want but he would have stayed regardless of what the status of forces agreement said...he would have negotiated a new one. Withdrawal is the policy you wanted. Own it.
    please.

    again, lay off of the fox news and the right wing talk radio.

    mccain is too much of a hothead to negotiate anything. it is his way or no way, and when trying to negotiate with an entire region who views things differently than you do, stubbornness and sheer will is not going to get a deal made..

    mccain could not have negotiated a new status of forces agreement. there was a democratic congress. the american people wanted us out. iraq wanted us out. saudi arabia wanted us out. iran wanted us out. all of the muslim countries in the middle east wanted us out. our own generals wants us out. mccain was not going to influence every single one of them to allow us to stay.

    again, you can not blame the successor for the deal made by the predecessor.

    bush tied obama's hands. bush took a giant shit in a room and rubbed it all over the walls and obama had to clean it up. i give obama credit for getting us out. i own it. bush gets the blame for getting us in there in the first place.
    Of all those countries only Iran wanted us out but good on you for owning it.
    you have to own the actual breaking of iraq because you supported the bush invasion. the history revision you have been doing is proof enough of that.
    I do own that which is why I think the withdrawal was a massive mistake. As per Colin Powell pre-invasion "you break it, you own it". Leaving is washing your hands of a problem your country actively participated in.
    Further action breaks it even more. Christian soldiers in Muslim world doesn't work.
    When sunni and shia want to slaughter each other it is the christian who can play the honest broker. It is sect vs sect and tribe vs tribe right now. An impartial referee is needed.
    An impartial referee would be, oh I don't know, Switzerland? The US or "Christians" as an impartial referee? That's got to be the dumbest thing I've heard as it relates to this topic. I'd be happy to arm and send all the US evangelics however. Sarah Palin can lead a brigade.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
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    BS44325 said:

    callen said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    It is just absolutely hilarious watching those idiots respond to Iraq questions. They have to be so careful of what they say because they have dumbed down their base so much they can't begin to touch on the truth without looking like a complete hypocrite.


    it just speaks to the dissonance that you have to have to be a republican presidential candidate.

    funny thing is, more and more republicans feel that we should not be getting involved in other countries or regions. the fiscal commitment to such a war would be questioned by today's republicans. going into iraq would fly in the face of those principles. these clowns think they are going to win the white house by saying they would make the same decision to invade even if they know what they know now. morons.
    Exactly they will never admit what a gigantic mistake it was to have invaded ...
    And the next democratic nominee will have to admit that it was a gigantic mistake to leave Iraq
    Again I'll have more respect for a man that admits their mistakes that led to this mess let's come to terms with the 1st mistake ok
    In the next election you will have a democratic candidate who both voted for the initial invasion and then presided over the withdrawal. Let's see what level of respect that generates.
    can we please stop perpetuating the incredibly false narrative that obama pulled the troops out of iraq?

    i am so sick of stating it and restating it, but george w bush signed the status of forces agreement that set a withdrawl date, and he signed it before obama was even elected. bush tied obama's hands. obama wanted the troops to stay, but iraq said no. we got kicked out. please stop lying about what actually happened.
    Ha. Plain old ridiculous. Obama ran for election on withdrawing. He wanted to withdraw. McCain wanted to stay. Call McCain wrong if you want but he would have stayed regardless of what the status of forces agreement said...he would have negotiated a new one. Withdrawal is the policy you wanted. Own it.
    please.

    again, lay off of the fox news and the right wing talk radio.

    mccain is too much of a hothead to negotiate anything. it is his way or no way, and when trying to negotiate with an entire region who views things differently than you do, stubbornness and sheer will is not going to get a deal made..

    mccain could not have negotiated a new status of forces agreement. there was a democratic congress. the american people wanted us out. iraq wanted us out. saudi arabia wanted us out. iran wanted us out. all of the muslim countries in the middle east wanted us out. our own generals wants us out. mccain was not going to influence every single one of them to allow us to stay.

    again, you can not blame the successor for the deal made by the predecessor.

    bush tied obama's hands. bush took a giant shit in a room and rubbed it all over the walls and obama had to clean it up. i give obama credit for getting us out. i own it. bush gets the blame for getting us in there in the first place.
    Of all those countries only Iran wanted us out but good on you for owning it.
    you have to own the actual breaking of iraq because you supported the bush invasion. the history revision you have been doing is proof enough of that.
    I do own that which is why I think the withdrawal was a massive mistake. As per Colin Powell pre-invasion "you break it, you own it". Leaving is washing your hands of a problem your country actively participated in.
    Further action breaks it even more. Christian soldiers in Muslim world doesn't work.
    When sunni and shia want to slaughter each other it is the christian who can play the honest broker. It is sect vs sect and tribe vs tribe right now. An impartial referee is needed.
    An impartial referee would be, oh I don't know, Switzerland? The US or "Christians" as an impartial referee? That's got to be the dumbest thing I've heard as it relates to this topic. I'd be happy to arm and send all the US evangelics however. Sarah Palin can lead a brigade.
    You do know that my use of "christians" is a response to Callen don't you? The US is the perfect honest broker because its military is made up of people from every religion, from every culture, and of both genders. It mirrors the melting pot that your country is. That's why its presence can be so effective.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,025
    Except they would still be viewed as the infidels. And in a region where the choice is between "one of your own" and the "infidels," who do you think 9 out of 10 Iraqis are going to side with? Particularly as scenes of the Phoenix mosque protest plays incessantly on Al Jazeera. When will the Iraqis fight for themselves?
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    BS44325 said:

    callen said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    It is just absolutely hilarious watching those idiots respond to Iraq questions. They have to be so careful of what they say because they have dumbed down their base so much they can't begin to touch on the truth without looking like a complete hypocrite.


    it just speaks to the dissonance that you have to have to be a republican presidential candidate.

    funny thing is, more and more republicans feel that we should not be getting involved in other countries or regions. the fiscal commitment to such a war would be questioned by today's republicans. going into iraq would fly in the face of those principles. these clowns think they are going to win the white house by saying they would make the same decision to invade even if they know what they know now. morons.
    Exactly they will never admit what a gigantic mistake it was to have invaded ...
    And the next democratic nominee will have to admit that it was a gigantic mistake to leave Iraq
    Again I'll have more respect for a man that admits their mistakes that led to this mess let's come to terms with the 1st mistake ok
    In the next election you will have a democratic candidate who both voted for the initial invasion and then presided over the withdrawal. Let's see what level of respect that generates.
    can we please stop perpetuating the incredibly false narrative that obama pulled the troops out of iraq?

    i am so sick of stating it and restating it, but george w bush signed the status of forces agreement that set a withdrawl date, and he signed it before obama was even elected. bush tied obama's hands. obama wanted the troops to stay, but iraq said no. we got kicked out. please stop lying about what actually happened.
    Ha. Plain old ridiculous. Obama ran for election on withdrawing. He wanted to withdraw. McCain wanted to stay. Call McCain wrong if you want but he would have stayed regardless of what the status of forces agreement said...he would have negotiated a new one. Withdrawal is the policy you wanted. Own it.
    please.

    again, lay off of the fox news and the right wing talk radio.

    mccain is too much of a hothead to negotiate anything. it is his way or no way, and when trying to negotiate with an entire region who views things differently than you do, stubbornness and sheer will is not going to get a deal made..

    mccain could not have negotiated a new status of forces agreement. there was a democratic congress. the american people wanted us out. iraq wanted us out. saudi arabia wanted us out. iran wanted us out. all of the muslim countries in the middle east wanted us out. our own generals wants us out. mccain was not going to influence every single one of them to allow us to stay.

    again, you can not blame the successor for the deal made by the predecessor.

    bush tied obama's hands. bush took a giant shit in a room and rubbed it all over the walls and obama had to clean it up. i give obama credit for getting us out. i own it. bush gets the blame for getting us in there in the first place.
    Of all those countries only Iran wanted us out but good on you for owning it.
    you have to own the actual breaking of iraq because you supported the bush invasion. the history revision you have been doing is proof enough of that.
    I do own that which is why I think the withdrawal was a massive mistake. As per Colin Powell pre-invasion "you break it, you own it". Leaving is washing your hands of a problem your country actively participated in.
    Further action breaks it even more. Christian soldiers in Muslim world doesn't work.
    When sunni and shia want to slaughter each other it is the christian who can play the honest broker. It is sect vs sect and tribe vs tribe right now. An impartial referee is needed.
    Speechless BS.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    callen said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    It is just absolutely hilarious watching those idiots respond to Iraq questions. They have to be so careful of what they say because they have dumbed down their base so much they can't begin to touch on the truth without looking like a complete hypocrite.


    it just speaks to the dissonance that you have to have to be a republican presidential candidate.

    funny thing is, more and more republicans feel that we should not be getting involved in other countries or regions. the fiscal commitment to such a war would be questioned by today's republicans. going into iraq would fly in the face of those principles. these clowns think they are going to win the white house by saying they would make the same decision to invade even if they know what they know now. morons.
    Exactly they will never admit what a gigantic mistake it was to have invaded ...
    And the next democratic nominee will have to admit that it was a gigantic mistake to leave Iraq
    Again I'll have more respect for a man that admits their mistakes that led to this mess let's come to terms with the 1st mistake ok
    In the next election you will have a democratic candidate who both voted for the initial invasion and then presided over the withdrawal. Let's see what level of respect that generates.
    can we please stop perpetuating the incredibly false narrative that obama pulled the troops out of iraq?

    i am so sick of stating it and restating it, but george w bush signed the status of forces agreement that set a withdrawl date, and he signed it before obama was even elected. bush tied obama's hands. obama wanted the troops to stay, but iraq said no. we got kicked out. please stop lying about what actually happened.
    Ha. Plain old ridiculous. Obama ran for election on withdrawing. He wanted to withdraw. McCain wanted to stay. Call McCain wrong if you want but he would have stayed regardless of what the status of forces agreement said...he would have negotiated a new one. Withdrawal is the policy you wanted. Own it.
    please.

    again, lay off of the fox news and the right wing talk radio.

    mccain is too much of a hothead to negotiate anything. it is his way or no way, and when trying to negotiate with an entire region who views things differently than you do, stubbornness and sheer will is not going to get a deal made..

    mccain could not have negotiated a new status of forces agreement. there was a democratic congress. the american people wanted us out. iraq wanted us out. saudi arabia wanted us out. iran wanted us out. all of the muslim countries in the middle east wanted us out. our own generals wants us out. mccain was not going to influence every single one of them to allow us to stay.

    again, you can not blame the successor for the deal made by the predecessor.

    bush tied obama's hands. bush took a giant shit in a room and rubbed it all over the walls and obama had to clean it up. i give obama credit for getting us out. i own it. bush gets the blame for getting us in there in the first place.
    Of all those countries only Iran wanted us out but good on you for owning it.
    you have to own the actual breaking of iraq because you supported the bush invasion. the history revision you have been doing is proof enough of that.
    I do own that which is why I think the withdrawal was a massive mistake. As per Colin Powell pre-invasion "you break it, you own it". Leaving is washing your hands of a problem your country actively participated in.
    Further action breaks it even more. Christian soldiers in Muslim world doesn't work.
    When sunni and shia want to slaughter each other it is the christian who can play the honest broker. It is sect vs sect and tribe vs tribe right now. An impartial referee is needed.
    An impartial referee would be, oh I don't know, Switzerland? The US or "Christians" as an impartial referee? That's got to be the dumbest thing I've heard as it relates to this topic. I'd be happy to arm and send all the US evangelics however. Sarah Palin can lead a brigade.
    You do know that my use of "christians" is a response to Callen don't you? The US is the perfect honest broker because its military is made up of people from every religion, from every culture, and of both genders. It mirrors the melting pot that your country is. That's why its presence can be so effective.
    No we are viewed as Christians. Unfortunately. And Christians with grand motivations of pillaging. Okay now I'm really speechless ,,,,,,,,,,,
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  • mookeywrenchmookeywrench Posts: 5,895
    I wonder what Jeb's stance is when it comes to topic integrity
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