Jeb

CH156378

Fuck that shit

josevolution

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Gern Blansten

I don't see how he could make it out of the primary....he's too normal to run on a GOP ticket no matter how bad they think they want him

Last-12-Exit

Did I miss something? Did he announce a candidacy?

mookeywrench

Dems and mods are still suffering from "Bush fatigue" and won't even give consideration beyond reading his last name (see first two posts). Meanwhile Republicans feel he is too liberal to score the GOP primary.

The cards are definitely stacked against him, but he tends to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative which is what I favor and would be interested in what he has to say during the primaries.

josevolution

mookeywrench wrote: »

Dems and mods are still suffering from "Bush fatigue" and won't even give consideration beyond reading his last name (see first two posts). Meanwhile Republicans feel he is too liberal to score the GOP primary.

The cards are definitely stacked against him, but he tends to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative which is what I favor and would be interested in what he has to say during the primaries.

i agree i'd be open to really take a look at what he stands for .....

JimmyV

If there is no legitimate Democratic challenger to Hillary then there will be many independents such as myself shopping for an alternative.

Gern Blansten

mookeywrench wrote: »

Dems and mods are still suffering from "Bush fatigue" and won't even give consideration beyond reading his last name (see first two posts). Meanwhile Republicans feel he is too liberal to score the GOP primary.

The cards are definitely stacked against him, but he tends to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative which is what I favor and would be interested in what he has to say during the primaries.

Jeb is really similar to Romney. The problem the GOP has is that their nominee has to go through the freak show gauntlet that is the christian right. Once they dive into that arena their credibility goes out the door. They will take positions completely opposite of what they have previously established, etc.

If someone like Jeb Bush would stand up to that side of the party they would gain a lot of independent votes.

jeffbr

Last-12-Exit wrote: »

Did I miss something? Did he announce a candidacy?

He hasn't announced, but just this week a new poll showed he is the current Republican front runner by a pretty good margin (http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/28/politics/bush-leads-gop-field-poll/), so there will be a lot of Bush talk in the near future.

The Republicans better figure out what their party is all about pretty soon. The tea baggers and religious wackos on the right are losing influence, but can still make a mess of things. Jeb won't be as easily sucked into their BS as other potential candidates, so he might be the hope of more moderate types, both dems, reps, and independents. It could be a smart move. But only if he can work with or around his own party. So strange to be thinking about a Bush vs. Clinton race next year.

josevolution

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/with-eye-on-2016-jeb-bush-severs-ties-to-most-firms/2014/12/31/938b3662-9054-11e4-a900-9960214d4cd7_story.html

fyi

hedonist

mookeywrench wrote: »

Dems and mods are still suffering from "Bush fatigue" and won't even give consideration beyond reading his last name (see first two posts). Meanwhile Republicans feel he is too liberal to score the GOP primary.

The cards are definitely stacked against him, but he tends to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative which is what I favor and would be interested in what he has to say during the primaries.

This is pretty much where I stand as well.

brianlux

Whoa! What year is it? We're talking presidential elections already? Did I fall into a time warp when the ball drop night 'fore last? :-S :!!

Last-12-Exit

Fuck this, laws should be passed that you can't campaign until the election year.

CH156378

As much as I agree that campaigning starts way to early, I think it's very important to stay on top of this. The last thing we need is another Bush sneaking into the White House and bringing the country to its knees.
I feel at this time, if he runs, he is guaranteed the nomination. He's already the front runner. No one can stop him. He has the name, money and organization to breeze through the nomination process.
He was well liked. Republicans look back at the Bush days fondly.
Plus he doesn't have baggage that a senator would have.

cincybearcat

I'm not sure why everyone thinks Jeb is just like his brother or his dad. Are all of you just like your dads/moms/brothers/sisters?

Saying we don't need another bush in the White House is just stupid. Now, if you just don't want Jeb for his positions, fine, but don't be so juvenile about it and base it off his last name.

Jeb was always the better Bush

CH156378

I can't think of any issues where Jeb wouldn't agree with his brother. I think I remember him shedding tears in a speech or two when speaking of him. That's fine, he loves his brother.
The better Bush? I wonder if they said that about W. in comparison to his dad?
Does anyone have an example of the policies that Jeb would have a difference of opinion than W.?
Prob not.

CH156378

One things for sure, they cant say Hillary is the better Clinton. lol

brianlux

It may come down the the lesser of these two: Bush fatigue or Clinton fatigue.
But the world changes fast. Two years from now? Who knows.

mookeywrench

No one has started doing any campaigning yet. Jeb is only getting his ducks in a row to be all set for running, and even that is only media speculation.

The person who is most likely to announce the first bid/campaign trail for President is Hillary Clinton on Jan. 15, 2015. but this is also media speculation.

Republicans don't look back on the W. days fondly, that's how Obama was elected President...twice.

I'm not asking anyone to be Pro-Jeb Bush, but definitely don't think anyone's vote should be based on someone's last name and to be an informed voter.

Instances where Jeb differs from his brother, for better or worse:

Acceptant of Immigration Reform (Jeb's wife is a minority and as a result tends to have a more all-encompassing viewpoint on civil rights issues)
Acceptant of gay marriage
Prefers Common Core Education rather than No Child Left Behind
W. was extreme anti-abortion, Jeb is anti-abortion for convenience
Anti-crony capitalism
Anti-PATRIOT Act/gov't snooping on it's own citizens
W. focused job growth on quantity of jobs, Jeb wants job growth to be focused on quality of jobs
W. wanted no new taxes at all costs, Jeb is okay with tax increases as a compromising mechanism in reduced spending.

mookeywrench

CH156378 wrote: »

He was well liked...Plus he doesn't have baggage that a senator would have.

Don't vote for the well-liked candidates with the least baggage?
:-?

Last-12-Exit

mookeywrench wrote: »

No one has started doing any campaigning yet. Jeb is only getting his ducks in a row to be all set for running, and even that is only media speculation.

The person who is most likely to announce the first bid/campaign trail for President is Hillary Clinton on Jan. 15, 2015. but this is also media speculation.

Republicans don't look back on the W. days fondly, that's how Obama was elected President...twice.

I'm not asking anyone to be Pro-Jeb Bush, but definitely don't think anyone's vote should be based on someone's last name and to be an informed voter.

Instances where Jeb differs from his brother, for better or worse:

Acceptant of Immigration Reform (Jeb's wife is a minority and as a result tends to have a more all-encompassing viewpoint on civil rights issues)
Acceptant of gay marriage
Prefers Common Core Education rather than No Child Left Behind
W. was extreme anti-abortion, Jeb is anti-abortion for convenience
Anti-crony capitalism
Anti-PATRIOT Act/gov't snooping on it's own citizens
W. focused job growth on quantity of jobs, Jeb wants job growth to be focused on quality of jobs
W. wanted no new taxes at all costs, Jeb is okay with tax increases as a compromising mechanism in reduced spending.

I know nothing about jeb. Being pro common core isn't a good start. But being for gay marriage is good. Does it matter why you're anti abortion?

mookeywrench

Like I said, For better-or-worse, the question was for examples where Jeb differs from W.

Debating the issues themselves is out of the context of what I'm arguing, I'm just illustrating where Jeb stands, and how he's set apart from his brother.

mookeywrench

Like I said, his opinions can be for better-or-worse.

The question was for examples where Jeb differs from his brother. Debating the issues themselves is out of the context of what I'm arguing, I'm just illustrating where Jeb stands, and how he's set apart from his brother.

Drowned Out

we can complain about term limits, career politicians, nepotism, name recognition over platform, how we really live under a one party system, he influence of money in politics and elections etc....and make really logical observations about the problems we face....but when it comes to reality and the immediate future - we're talking about a possible bush/Clinton ticket here...people Revert to talk of lesser evils...and saying these people should be allowed to stand on their own and prove themselves...? How can we always say that hindsight is 20/20, then ignore its lessons? Is there really no better options than hoping this bush isn't as bad as the rest of the dynasty? Or that Hilary will be more like her husband (just another war criminal), and not the hawkish nut she has proven herself to be since entering politics (on name recognition)? No change, losing hope. Bah.

mookeywrench

To Drowned Out; seeing if there's an option outside of the lesser of two evils is all the reason more to understand where these individuals stand prior to the primary elections, no?

There's other candidates worth talking about, but in a thread titled "Jeb", the main focus is going to be on Jeb Bush and his qualifications/disqualifications

hedonist

If it does come down to a Bush/Clinton ticket (get yer seats now!), I'll do my best to remain open and see how the usual shit unfolds. I know some about the latter, not too much about the former but at this point, strikes me as alright.

Wonder what part, if any, social media and/or technology will fit in. Much has "progressed" since the last go-around.

Drowned Out

I hear ya mookey. The prospects within the system are usually all as dismal as the next...that's the problem. Just saying, if I was American, I would have no problem writing both of those two off on their names, and I don't think there is anything stupid or juvenile about it. Most cynics could see a Jeb run coming during gw's term (I thought it would coincide with Armageddon in 2012, but I've always been a bit paranoid ). And Hilary's run was predicted as soon as she entered politics. Despite their platforms, they're still riding coatails and walking a path paved by their family connections - the connections that ruin democracy. same with Trudeau in Canada. It's tabloid politics. Nothing will shake our system's foundations under any of these people...and most of us agree we need someone to do that. Anyway, carry on

Drowned Out

Hedo - social media gave me hope with the rise of Ron Paul (for his foreign policy stance, and a glimmer of hope that the Internet could be a grass roots godsend). Unfortunately, the result was co-opted into the tea party - one of the final nails in the coffin for my faith in our ability to change things without catastrophe forcing it...

hedonist

Thanks for that perspective, Drowned. I don't get much of my news via that particular vein, but I think the pages we're on, views seen, digested, are similar.

And I curse the inevitable cynicism that comes with it.

Makes me feel like this...(and wanna say...HEY! ;-) )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLv7viCMGo8

brianlux

Speaking of cynicism- I was thinking about all this election hoo-ha while driving through Folsom running errands today. It occurred to my that our election choices reflect what to me seems like an increasing lack of imagination on the part of the voting public. And as I thought about that I looked around at the endless strip malls along East Bidwell St. and all I saw was yet more lack of imagination. And I forget my CD case so I turned on the radio and all I heard was more lack of imagination. And all the cars everywhere looked the same and all I saw was more lack of imagination. And I came to my destination and parked in a parking lot that looked liked every other parking lot in America.

I felt like I was in a Kafka novel.

rgambs

It's because people don't read Kafka anymore. They don't read Asimov, they don't read Vonnegut, or Hemingway, or Steinbeck, they don't read ANYTHING.