Jeb

CH156378

Fuck that shit

josevolution

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Gern Blansten

I don't see how he could make it out of the primary....he's too normal to run on a GOP ticket no matter how bad they think they want him

Last-12-Exit

Did I miss something? Did he announce a candidacy?

mookeywrench

Dems and mods are still suffering from "Bush fatigue" and won't even give consideration beyond reading his last name (see first two posts). Meanwhile Republicans feel he is too liberal to score the GOP primary.

The cards are definitely stacked against him, but he tends to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative which is what I favor and would be interested in what he has to say during the primaries.

josevolution

mookeywrench wrote: »

Dems and mods are still suffering from "Bush fatigue" and won't even give consideration beyond reading his last name (see first two posts). Meanwhile Republicans feel he is too liberal to score the GOP primary.

The cards are definitely stacked against him, but he tends to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative which is what I favor and would be interested in what he has to say during the primaries.

i agree i'd be open to really take a look at what he stands for .....

JimmyV

If there is no legitimate Democratic challenger to Hillary then there will be many independents such as myself shopping for an alternative.

Gern Blansten

mookeywrench wrote: »

Dems and mods are still suffering from "Bush fatigue" and won't even give consideration beyond reading his last name (see first two posts). Meanwhile Republicans feel he is too liberal to score the GOP primary.

The cards are definitely stacked against him, but he tends to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative which is what I favor and would be interested in what he has to say during the primaries.

Jeb is really similar to Romney. The problem the GOP has is that their nominee has to go through the freak show gauntlet that is the christian right. Once they dive into that arena their credibility goes out the door. They will take positions completely opposite of what they have previously established, etc.

If someone like Jeb Bush would stand up to that side of the party they would gain a lot of independent votes.

jeffbr

Last-12-Exit wrote: »

Did I miss something? Did he announce a candidacy?

He hasn't announced, but just this week a new poll showed he is the current Republican front runner by a pretty good margin (http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/28/politics/bush-leads-gop-field-poll/), so there will be a lot of Bush talk in the near future.

The Republicans better figure out what their party is all about pretty soon. The tea baggers and religious wackos on the right are losing influence, but can still make a mess of things. Jeb won't be as easily sucked into their BS as other potential candidates, so he might be the hope of more moderate types, both dems, reps, and independents. It could be a smart move. But only if he can work with or around his own party. So strange to be thinking about a Bush vs. Clinton race next year.

josevolution

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/with-eye-on-2016-jeb-bush-severs-ties-to-most-firms/2014/12/31/938b3662-9054-11e4-a900-9960214d4cd7_story.html

fyi

hedonist

mookeywrench wrote: »

Dems and mods are still suffering from "Bush fatigue" and won't even give consideration beyond reading his last name (see first two posts). Meanwhile Republicans feel he is too liberal to score the GOP primary.

The cards are definitely stacked against him, but he tends to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative which is what I favor and would be interested in what he has to say during the primaries.

This is pretty much where I stand as well.

brianlux

Whoa! What year is it? We're talking presidential elections already? Did I fall into a time warp when the ball drop night 'fore last? :-S :!!

Last-12-Exit

Fuck this, laws should be passed that you can't campaign until the election year.

CH156378

As much as I agree that campaigning starts way to early, I think it's very important to stay on top of this. The last thing we need is another Bush sneaking into the White House and bringing the country to its knees.
I feel at this time, if he runs, he is guaranteed the nomination. He's already the front runner. No one can stop him. He has the name, money and organization to breeze through the nomination process.
He was well liked. Republicans look back at the Bush days fondly.
Plus he doesn't have baggage that a senator would have.

cincybearcat

I'm not sure why everyone thinks Jeb is just like his brother or his dad. Are all of you just like your dads/moms/brothers/sisters?

Saying we don't need another bush in the White House is just stupid. Now, if you just don't want Jeb for his positions, fine, but don't be so juvenile about it and base it off his last name.

Jeb was always the better Bush

CH156378

I can't think of any issues where Jeb wouldn't agree with his brother. I think I remember him shedding tears in a speech or two when speaking of him. That's fine, he loves his brother.
The better Bush? I wonder if they said that about W. in comparison to his dad?
Does anyone have an example of the policies that Jeb would have a difference of opinion than W.?
Prob not.

CH156378

One things for sure, they cant say Hillary is the better Clinton. lol

brianlux

It may come down the the lesser of these two: Bush fatigue or Clinton fatigue.
But the world changes fast. Two years from now? Who knows.

mookeywrench

No one has started doing any campaigning yet. Jeb is only getting his ducks in a row to be all set for running, and even that is only media speculation.

The person who is most likely to announce the first bid/campaign trail for President is Hillary Clinton on Jan. 15, 2015. but this is also media speculation.

Republicans don't look back on the W. days fondly, that's how Obama was elected President...twice.

I'm not asking anyone to be Pro-Jeb Bush, but definitely don't think anyone's vote should be based on someone's last name and to be an informed voter.

Instances where Jeb differs from his brother, for better or worse:

Acceptant of Immigration Reform (Jeb's wife is a minority and as a result tends to have a more all-encompassing viewpoint on civil rights issues)
Acceptant of gay marriage
Prefers Common Core Education rather than No Child Left Behind
W. was extreme anti-abortion, Jeb is anti-abortion for convenience
Anti-crony capitalism
Anti-PATRIOT Act/gov't snooping on it's own citizens
W. focused job growth on quantity of jobs, Jeb wants job growth to be focused on quality of jobs
W. wanted no new taxes at all costs, Jeb is okay with tax increases as a compromising mechanism in reduced spending.

mookeywrench

CH156378 wrote: »

He was well liked...Plus he doesn't have baggage that a senator would have.

Don't vote for the well-liked candidates with the least baggage?
:-?

Last-12-Exit

mookeywrench wrote: »

No one has started doing any campaigning yet. Jeb is only getting his ducks in a row to be all set for running, and even that is only media speculation.

The person who is most likely to announce the first bid/campaign trail for President is Hillary Clinton on Jan. 15, 2015. but this is also media speculation.

Republicans don't look back on the W. days fondly, that's how Obama was elected President...twice.

I'm not asking anyone to be Pro-Jeb Bush, but definitely don't think anyone's vote should be based on someone's last name and to be an informed voter.

Instances where Jeb differs from his brother, for better or worse:

Acceptant of Immigration Reform (Jeb's wife is a minority and as a result tends to have a more all-encompassing viewpoint on civil rights issues)
Acceptant of gay marriage
Prefers Common Core Education rather than No Child Left Behind
W. was extreme anti-abortion, Jeb is anti-abortion for convenience
Anti-crony capitalism
Anti-PATRIOT Act/gov't snooping on it's own citizens
W. focused job growth on quantity of jobs, Jeb wants job growth to be focused on quality of jobs
W. wanted no new taxes at all costs, Jeb is okay with tax increases as a compromising mechanism in reduced spending.

I know nothing about jeb. Being pro common core isn't a good start. But being for gay marriage is good. Does it matter why you're anti abortion?