It always strikes as strange that people defend having guns by saying that they are just guns and that they don't just get up and kill people (or other animals) or that they are inanimate or that "guns don't kill people, people kill people". It's a nifty way to overlook the fact that guns are made to kill- that killing is the soul purpose for their manufacture.
And yes, Thirty, handguns and rifles are still far too easy to obtain in the U.S. They're everywhere.
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Thirty, what are these glaring weaknesses that exist in the gun industry? How many of these glaring weaknesses are responsible for school these school shooting?
1. Ease of access. 2. 'Style' of weapon available for purchase.
Are two blatant problems that need to be addressed.
Cincy addressed 'access' in the last post: we should also make it harder for someone like that to get weapons that allow then to kill mass quantities of people in a short period of time.
If you coupled such an action plan by removing handguns and assault rifles from the equation and limited ammunition sales to registered owners... you would likely see a slight correction in firearm deaths and firearm tragedies.
A concerted effort to address poverty in your country would likely be the catalyst for the change everybody is truly looking for. A new design for the redistribution of wealth to give people a life worth living without resorting to crime from despair or anger.
Agree completely. Determining the root cause of the violence is of course the ideal solution, but in the meantime, can you deny that ease of access is not a contributing factor? An American 18 year old gets pissed off he can go buy a gun. They want a beer... nah, gotta wait 3 more years. Mental illness is an obvious part of the problem, and many of the potentially most dangerous conditions (schizophrenia and bipolar disorder) often first present in the 18-21 age group. Not raising the minimum purchase and possession age from 18 is a glaring weakness to me.
FWIW, I am in the process of obtaining some Federal Firearms Licenses, let me tell you it is not easy to obtain such items. That perception needs to go away, I have been working through this for almost two months.
Yah, but this is because you're trying to buy a bazooka.
If you want to buy a little old handgun... just go to the gas station.
Not really, although I'd love to own one, or at least fire one, I'm not taking on that liability.
Next time you go into a gas station that will sell you a handgun for cash and no questions asked please post a picture.
It always strikes as strange that people defend having guns by saying that they are just guns and that they don't just get up and kill people (or other animals) or that they are inanimate or that "guns don't kill people, people kill people". It's a nifty way to overlook the fact that guns are made to kill- that killing is the soul purpose for their manufacture.
And yes, Thirty, handguns and rifles are still far too easy to obtain in the U.S. They're everywhere.
One man's killing machine is another's defense tool.
See when the Department of Homeland Security buys them they are defense weapons.
Thirty, what are these glaring weaknesses that exist in the gun industry? How many of these glaring weaknesses are responsible for school these school shooting?
1. Ease of access. 2. 'Style' of weapon available for purchase.
Are two blatant problems that need to be addressed.
Cincy addressed 'access' in the last post: we should also make it harder for someone like that to get weapons that allow then to kill mass quantities of people in a short period of time.
If you coupled such an action plan by removing handguns and assault rifles from the equation and limited ammunition sales to registered owners... you would likely see a slight correction in firearm deaths and firearm tragedies.
A concerted effort to address poverty in your country would likely be the catalyst for the change everybody is truly looking for. A new design for the redistribution of wealth to give people a life worth living without resorting to crime from despair or anger.
Agree completely. Determining the root cause of the violence is of course the ideal solution, but in the meantime, can you deny that ease of access is not a contributing factor? An American 18 year old gets pissed off he can go buy a gun. They want a beer... nah, gotta wait 3 more years. Mental illness is an obvious part of the problem, and many of the potentially most dangerous conditions (schizophrenia and bipolar disorder) often first present in the 18-21 age group. Not raising the minimum purchase and possession age from 18 is a glaring weakness to me.
@blux, in your opinion, if i only shoot at targets and don't kill, am i being an irresponsible gun owner since guns are made to kill and i don't use them to kill? and if guns are made to kill, then why aren't there any instructions telling me how to kill? surely there would be some info on where the best place to shoot a person or animal is. all my killing instructions are missing. the only instructions i have talk about how the gun works and how to clean it.
if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
Thirty, what are these glaring weaknesses that exist in the gun industry? How many of these glaring weaknesses are responsible for school these school shooting?
1. Ease of access. 2. 'Style' of weapon available for purchase.
Are two blatant problems that need to be addressed.
Cincy addressed 'access' in the last post: we should also make it harder for someone like that to get weapons that allow then to kill mass quantities of people in a short period of time.
If you coupled such an action plan by removing handguns and assault rifles from the equation and limited ammunition sales to registered owners... you would likely see a slight correction in firearm deaths and firearm tragedies.
A concerted effort to address poverty in your country would likely be the catalyst for the change everybody is truly looking for. A new design for the redistribution of wealth to give people a life worth living without resorting to crime from despair or anger.
Agree completely. Determining the root cause of the violence is of course the ideal solution, but in the meantime, can you deny that ease of access is not a contributing factor? An American 18 year old gets pissed off he can go buy a gun. They want a beer... nah, gotta wait 3 more years. Mental illness is an obvious part of the problem, and many of the potentially most dangerous conditions (schizophrenia and bipolar disorder) often first present in the 18-21 age group. Not raising the minimum purchase and possession age from 18 is a glaring weakness to me.
You have to be 21 in my state to own a handgun.
Handguns 21 in some states, 18 in others, 16 in VT (WTF?) And the gun lobby is always pushing to go lower. Long rifles 18 in most states. So that's roughly half of the senior class in an average US high school can go legally buy a shotgun, no parental consent needed. That's insane.
just wanted to toss in my opinion on age. if a person is old enough to get blown up or shot for their country, they are old enough for everything else in this world.
if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
just wanted to toss in my opinion on age. if a person is old enough to get blown up or shot for their country, they are old enough for everything else in this world.
well alrighty then, since a kid here can enlist at 17, let's be sure every 17 year old American kid can legally purchase handguns and long guns... it's more fair that way and I'm sure it'll make schools much safer. Write your congressman today!
just wanted to toss in my opinion on age. if a person is old enough to get blown up or shot for their country, they are old enough for everything else in this world.
well alrighty then, since a kid here can enlist at 17, let's be sure every 17 year old American kid can legally purchase handguns and long guns... it's more fair that way and I'm sure it'll make schools much safer. Write your congressman today!
FWIW, I am in the process of obtaining some Federal Firearms Licenses, let me tell you it is not easy to obtain such items. That perception needs to go away, I have been working through this for almost two months.
Yah, but this is because you're trying to buy a bazooka.
If you want to buy a little old handgun... just go to the gas station.
Not really, although I'd love to own one, or at least fire one, I'm not taking on that liability.
Next time you go into a gas station that will sell you a handgun for cash and no questions asked please post a picture.
It's interesting how you have described purchasing a bazooka as a liability, but will not acknowledge that smaller arms carry liability as well.
anybody got a link for the story in the kid who slashed his way down the crowded school hallway (200 kids or so) with 2 large ktichen knives? He gave it hell, and injured 20 some students...at last i saw no lives were lost that day.. NOW IMAGINE his redneck daddy has one of those "personal defense" weapons with a gazillion round drum mag? Even if he had 2 semi-auto pistols he couldnt match the carnage possible with a "defensive" weapon..which BTW is a joke, the tactical appointments on these rifles were designed by the military for eliminating human combatants efficiently and you gunners KNOW it!
Maybe instead of blaming guns, we should look at why this kids are acting out violently? Naw, let's just blame guns.
what is the common denominator in all school shootings??
the fucking gun.
I would say an individual that wishes to cause harm? I have yet to see a gun just waltz up on its own into a school. This blaming the gun idea is like trying to put a bandaid on a gushing wound. Ban guns, cause I'm sure that once that law is passed all guns will magically disappear. Just like everything else that is illegal? The gun debate is so far off the mark of what is happening, but it's all we want to focus on. I think that's silly.
Maybe instead of blaming guns, we should look at why this kids are acting out violently? Naw, let's just blame guns.
what is the common denominator in all school shootings??
the fucking gun.
I would say an individual that wishes to cause harm? I have yet to see a gun just waltz up on its own into a school. This blaming the gun idea is like trying to put a bandaid on a gushing wound. Ban guns, cause I'm sure that once that law is passed all guns will magically disappear. Just like everything else that is illegal? The gun debate is so far off the mark of what is happening, but it's all we want to focus on. I think that's silly.
so did you read my short story of the knife slashing maniac in PA? Is it not likely he would have injured more people and caused fatality with an assault rifle? Or are you going to suggest that a knife has the same mass killing capacity?
I don't understand that logic; trying to compare a knife to a gun. Instead of worrying about the tool that is used why don't we worry about why the deed was done. When someone tries to rationalize that the use of a knife would simply kill less that's like saying those knife killings are acceptable numbers. Instead we should focus on why people have the desire to harm others.
Guns also aren't even the number one item used in murder. Why do we focus on guns so much? Media?
this sounds like a NRA statistic parroted over and over. first google hit:
According to a 2007 study by the FBI, the last time a detailed study of this type was conducted, firearms were the most commonly used murder weapons nationally, accounting for 14,831 murders that year. These are followed by knives or stabbing weapons, at 1,796, then by personal weapons, such as hands, feet, fists, etc.; blunt objects; strangulation; fire; asphyxiation; narcotics; drowning; and poison.
I don't understand that logic; trying to compare a knife to a gun. Instead of worrying about the tool that is used why don't we worry about why the deed was done. When someone tries to rationalize that the use of a knife would simply kill less that's like saying those knife killings are acceptable numbers. Instead we should focus on why people have the desire to harm others.
I think he was comparing one "inanimate" object to another and commenting on their respective efficiency at killing if used by someone hellbent on killing. That's what I took from it anyway. Not a valid argument?
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And yes, Thirty, handguns and rifles are still far too easy to obtain in the U.S. They're everywhere.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Next time you go into a gas station that will sell you a handgun for cash and no questions asked please post a picture.
See when the Department of Homeland Security buys them they are defense weapons.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/27/homeland-security-seeking-7000-assault-weapons-per/
You have to be 21 in my state to own a handgun.
Long rifles 18 in most states. So that's roughly half of the senior class in an average US high school can go legally buy a shotgun, no parental consent needed. That's insane.
the fucking gun.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
NOW IMAGINE his redneck daddy has one of those "personal defense" weapons with a gazillion round drum mag? Even if he had 2 semi-auto pistols he couldnt match the carnage possible with a "defensive" weapon..which BTW is a joke, the tactical appointments on these rifles were designed by the military for eliminating human combatants efficiently and you gunners KNOW it!
Guns or not nothing is being done about it.
According to a 2007 study by the FBI, the last time a detailed study of this type was conducted, firearms were the most commonly used murder weapons nationally, accounting for 14,831 murders that year. These are followed by knives or stabbing weapons, at 1,796, then by personal weapons, such as hands, feet, fists, etc.; blunt objects; strangulation; fire; asphyxiation; narcotics; drowning; and poison.
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