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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    People live in some fantasy world that without guns everything would be pretty and peaceful and that the police exist to really serve and protect.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
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  • i_lov_iti_lov_it Posts: 4,007
    unsung said:

    People live in some fantasy world that without guns everything would be pretty and peaceful and that the police exist to really serve and protect.

    That's the thing if your going to take away Guns from everyone then that has to mean everyone from Security to Police.

  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    The county next to me just got one of those MRAP anti-mine/IED vehicles for their Sheriff's Dept. Those were used in Iraq and were almost $750k when new.

    I doubt there will be a disarming of anyone.
  • JWPearlJWPearl Posts: 19,893
    Personally guns should only be with two kinds of people and that is, abattoirs and police of any kind, there should be no sports hunting or gun shooting shops, it would solve all problems and personally thats the best way to ease the mind of the public.. The only people who would disagree would be frightened people who want security and sportsman, well my opinion is find a safer sport and find different method of security that doesnt involve the rish of one or dozens being threatened or killed
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    How many drug shops do you know of? Can you walk into Wal-Mart and buy a bag of heroin? Are people unable to buy heroin because it isn't sold in a store?

    So all your proposal would do is create a huge black market. Crime would essentially INCREASE based on this flawed logic. Again, it's fantasy world fiction.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Only police armed? Don't they kill enough people?
  • @jwpearl, gonna have to disagree with you that gun prohibition would solve all problems. please explain to me how it would have saved the three people Elliot rogers killed without a gun. I do appreciate your logic though, I don't mind finding a safer sport if people don't mind finding a safer means of transportation that doesn't involve killing tens of thousands of people and even more animals every year all the while dumping shit loads of pollution into our air. ride a bicycle.

    personally I think gun prohibition is absolutely ridiculous and impossible, BUT if everyone was talking about giving up all the things in their life that kill people I would be inclined to jump on board. but to have people smoking cigarettes, drinking alcohol and driving cars telling me how important human lives are when it comes to guns, gotta just chuckle and go about my business.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,594
    Sweet. Another blood payment made for freedom. Police officers having lunch. Double coupon day#!!! Thanks freedom, you rock.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    unsung said:

    People live in some fantasy world that without guns everything would be pretty and peaceful and that the police exist to really serve and protect.

    Europe.

    Not a lot of guns and not a lot of homicides by guns.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    Active shooter(s) on the loose at a Portland OR High School ...

  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    What the hell is going on lately?

    It's like an every-day occurrence.
  • Jason P said:

    Active shooter(s) on the loose at a Portland OR High School ...

    Just checked out preliminary reports.

    Is anybody surprised? This is only the 'next' in a long line of 'nexts'.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    74 school shootings since sandy hook.

    well done america. well done.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    JWPearl said:

    Personally guns should only be with two kinds of people and that is, abattoirs and police of any kind, there should be no sports hunting or gun shooting shops, it would solve all problems and personally thats the best way to ease the mind of the public.. The only people who would disagree would be frightened people who want security and sportsman, well my opinion is find a safer sport and find different method of security that doesnt involve the rish of one or dozens being threatened or killed

    Sounds good to me, very good- although I'm not sure why slaughter houses need guns. I think Temple Grandin designed a more humane way to do that job.

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  • jmuscatellojmuscatello Posts: 332
    unsung said:
    But when Everytown released the school shooting data they made it clear that it included suicides, accidental shootings, and assaults. It was basically any discharge of a firearm on school property/grounds. They were clear enough on that. That makes the debunking pretty meaningless, I'd say.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    why don't we just put a fucking gun on our flag and instead of stars have drops of blood?
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    How many "legal" guns are used in crimes? There has to be data on that?
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,445
    unsung said:
    So how many do we need before we do something?
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  • mattsl1983mattsl1983 Posts: 711
    Maybe instead of blaming guns, we should look at why this kids are acting out violently? Naw, let's just blame guns.
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    edited June 2014
    We definitely need to look at why kids are expressing themselves with violence.

    In the meantime, we should take steps to curb the violence. An obvious solution is to address the glaring weakness that exists in the gun retail industry.
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  • mattsl1983mattsl1983 Posts: 711
    Thirty, what are these glaring weaknesses that exist in the gun industry? How many of these glaring weaknesses are responsible for school these school shooting?
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,445

    We definitely need to look at why kids are expressing themselves with violence.

    In the meantime, we should take steps to curb the violence. An obvious solution is to address the glaring weakness that exists in the gun retail industry.

    Yeah cause that's completely new. We never had people using violence before. It's the video games, it's the music....

    Ok I do agree that you have to look into this, but the truth is people getting pissed off and fighting or wanting to fight classmates, or hurt the world because of their pain isn't exactly new at all. We should be trying to provide outlets for this and help. But we should also make it harder for someone like that to get weapons that allow then to kill mass quantities of people in a short period of time.

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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Would you prefer that they killed mass quantities in a long period of time?

    Instead of going after a device, that by itself is inanimate, why don't we get to the root of the issue?

    Because all of the anti-gunner solutions offered still do not address that issue, and none would have prevented any of these recent events.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487

    Maybe instead of blaming guns, we should look at why this kids are acting out violently? Naw, let's just blame guns.


    Tread carefully, you are making sense, they don't like that in these parts.

  • Thirty, what are these glaring weaknesses that exist in the gun industry? How many of these glaring weaknesses are responsible for school these school shooting?

    1. Ease of access.
    2. 'Style' of weapon available for purchase.

    Are two blatant problems that need to be addressed.

    Cincy addressed 'access' in the last post: we should also make it harder for someone like that to get weapons that allow then to kill mass quantities of people in a short period of time.

    If you coupled such an action plan by removing handguns and assault rifles from the equation and limited ammunition sales to registered owners... you would likely see a slight correction in firearm deaths and firearm tragedies.

    A concerted effort to address poverty in your country would likely be the catalyst for the change everybody is truly looking for. A new design for the redistribution of wealth to give people a life worth living without resorting to crime from despair or anger.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Your action is radical and far-reaching. It punishes the law abiding and does not address the real issue.

    It like blaming the horse for getting out of the pen when you are the one that left the gate open.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    FWIW, I am in the process of obtaining some Federal Firearms Licenses, let me tell you it is not easy to obtain such items. That perception needs to go away, I have been working through this for almost two months.
  • unsung said:

    FWIW, I am in the process of obtaining some Federal Firearms Licenses, let me tell you it is not easy to obtain such items. That perception needs to go away, I have been working through this for almost two months.

    Yah, but this is because you're trying to buy a bazooka.

    If you want to buy a little old handgun... just go to the gas station.
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