Just one more firearms thread

callen

mattsl1983 said:

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callen said:

mattsl1983 said:

callen said:

mattsl1983 said:

callen said:

unsung said:

callen said:

unsung said:

Right and wrong?

Says who?

Arms race? Ah, the great wild west shootout that the anti's claim will always happen but never does.

Right agree can debate right and wrong but laws have no validity so when you asked were they doing something illegal, not relevant.

My opinion is that if the US suddenly went to all open carry it would suck big time. You disagree? Would you support?

Laws have no validity? What are you talking about? Of course laws have everything to do with this.

Ok, I'll re-phrase differently...

Were they acting in an unlawful manner? Or is this just a case of hurt feelings?

Be honest.

No your missing my point. Something being a law means squat if it's an unjust or bad law. Think of your position with cattle rancher and federal law.

Am curious are you okay with folks openly carrying?

No hurt feelings ever from anything on this board and do it for fun. As to subjects good way to discuss rational behind our actions and behavior.

Can you please explain what you mean by being okay with folks "open carrying" means? Are you expressing your preconceived notion of what open carry is or have you actually looked into each state and community that allows open carry with limitations? Or do you think open carry is just a nationwide allowance?

Ok allow me to elaborate

So would y'all gun proponents be okay if tomorrow all of the us went to full open carry?

Okay again, what is open carry? Are you familier with the states that allow it and the restrictions are in place? I live in an open carry state and I have no issue with it. I am a-o-k with open carry.

Having openly displayed sidearm in holster. But do you think also okay to walk around with assault rifle? Or how about in gun rack in back of truck on back glass?

Be honest, your good with gang member strutting around with guns? Now they can if never convicted right. Anyone? You think this would make is a better society? Really??

You are dismissing the fact I live in an open carry state. Holsters and all. An assault riffle is no different than a shotgun or a handgun by the way, check the functionality of the gun.. And am I supposed to now label a group of people and say hey, based on your looks you can't own a gun, because I think you are in a gang? Now you want to profile to own a gun, but are probably against any other type of profiling. Because only when it's convenient for you it's okay to profile? How about for that one we trade off, I'll register my gun as long as anyone who wants to vote registers? You try and paint this scary picture of CC or open carry, but you fail to realize that maybe some of us live in an open carry state. Last time I looked out my window it's not the Wild West.

Didn't propose profiling merely stating ramifications of open carry that how bad guys can have access all the time and legally. Was Bad example.

Open carry is extreme and feel that we've just given up on reason as a means to live life. Sad.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

You do realize that the flood of immigrants form Mexico can be attributed to some degree (large or small) to the drug consumption patterns of the US?

They aren't lazy and they aren't evil. They seek a better life than the one currently afforded to them in a country rampant with extreme violence as cartels battle to produce and sell drugs to the USA's massive consumer base.

mattsl1983

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mattsl1983 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Okay with open carry? Everybody walking around with a handgun on their hip? Yikes.

If that ever becomes the case... stop building a wall between you and Mexico. Instead, build it between you and Canada... and stay in there.

Actually we aren't building a wall, or a fence. That's just wrong to exclude people coming into the USA. Don't you know that immigration control is wrong!?

If only your First Nations people had such foresight, eh?

Oh but they do. I do like how as soon as you hear something you don't like about America you are ready to shut your borders down eh.

mattsl1983

callen said:

mattsl1983 said:

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callen said:

mattsl1983 said:

callen said:

mattsl1983 said:

callen said:

unsung said:

callen said:

unsung said:

Right and wrong?

Says who?

Arms race? Ah, the great wild west shootout that the anti's claim will always happen but never does.

Right agree can debate right and wrong but laws have no validity so when you asked were they doing something illegal, not relevant.

My opinion is that if the US suddenly went to all open carry it would suck big time. You disagree? Would you support?

Laws have no validity? What are you talking about? Of course laws have everything to do with this.

Ok, I'll re-phrase differently...

Were they acting in an unlawful manner? Or is this just a case of hurt feelings?

Be honest.

No your missing my point. Something being a law means squat if it's an unjust or bad law. Think of your position with cattle rancher and federal law.

Am curious are you okay with folks openly carrying?

No hurt feelings ever from anything on this board and do it for fun. As to subjects good way to discuss rational behind our actions and behavior.

Can you please explain what you mean by being okay with folks "open carrying" means? Are you expressing your preconceived notion of what open carry is or have you actually looked into each state and community that allows open carry with limitations? Or do you think open carry is just a nationwide allowance?

Ok allow me to elaborate

So would y'all gun proponents be okay if tomorrow all of the us went to full open carry?

Okay again, what is open carry? Are you familier with the states that allow it and the restrictions are in place? I live in an open carry state and I have no issue with it. I am a-o-k with open carry.

Having openly displayed sidearm in holster. But do you think also okay to walk around with assault rifle? Or how about in gun rack in back of truck on back glass?

Be honest, your good with gang member strutting around with guns? Now they can if never convicted right. Anyone? You think this would make is a better society? Really??

You are dismissing the fact I live in an open carry state. Holsters and all. An assault riffle is no different than a shotgun or a handgun by the way, check the functionality of the gun.. And am I supposed to now label a group of people and say hey, based on your looks you can't own a gun, because I think you are in a gang? Now you want to profile to own a gun, but are probably against any other type of profiling. Because only when it's convenient for you it's okay to profile? How about for that one we trade off, I'll register my gun as long as anyone who wants to vote registers? You try and paint this scary picture of CC or open carry, but you fail to realize that maybe some of us live in an open carry state. Last time I looked out my window it's not the Wild West.

Didn't propose profiling merely stating ramifications of open carry that how bad guys can have access all the time and legally. Was Bad example.

Open carry is extreme and feel that we've just given up on reason as a means to live life. Sad.

How? Again I live in an open carry state. It's really not an issue. Like at all.

mattsl1983

If you are uncomfortable with open carry, don't come to my state. It's pretty simple.

callen

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

You do realize that the flood of immigrants form Mexico can be attributed to some degree (large or small) to the drug consumption patterns of the US?

They aren't lazy and they aren't evil. They seek a better life than the one currently afforded to them in a country rampant with extreme violence as cartels battle to produce and sell drugs to the USA's massive consumer base.

Thirty the whole immigration debate by conservative white folk is all BS. They hire them in their businesses, have them cut their grass, cook their food, clean their toilettes. If the conservative white folks didn't hire them they would not come. Housing is cheap because if illegals. I can't find a single road crew or home builder that doesn't have illegals. They do it under guise of independent contractors. One of Dubyas biggest donors was Perry homes. He made his money on illegal immigration.

mattsl1983

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

You do realize that the flood of immigrants form Mexico can be attributed to some degree (large or small) to the drug consumption patterns of the US?

They aren't lazy and they aren't evil. They seek a better life than the one currently afforded to them in a country rampant with extreme violence as cartels battle to produce and sell drugs to the USA's massive consumer base.

Completely different argument. If you in Canada eh would like to start a new discussion about us border states and what the actual issues are eh, then start that thread.

mattsl1983

callen said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

You do realize that the flood of immigrants form Mexico can be attributed to some degree (large or small) to the drug consumption patterns of the US?

They aren't lazy and they aren't evil. They seek a better life than the one currently afforded to them in a country rampant with extreme violence as cartels battle to produce and sell drugs to the USA's massive consumer base.

Thirty the whole immigration debate by conservative white folk is all BS. They hire them in their businesses, have them cut their grass, cook their food, clean their toilettes. If the conservative white folks didn't hire them they would not come. Housing is cheap because if illegals. I can't find a single road crew or home builder that doesn't have illegals. They do it under guise of independent contractors. One of Dubyas biggest donors was Perry homes. He made his money on illegal immigration.

Can I ask what state you live in and how you have formed your opinion?

callen

Believe in same state as you.

unsung

I'm not the thread police but can this stay on topic?

Illegal immigration has nothing to do with gun laws.

callen

unsung said:

I'm not the thread police but can this stay on topic?

Illegal immigration has nothing to do with gun laws.

Fine. Guns suck!!!

mattsl1983

Thanks unsung, it's sad when those that argue against it and have no other response but to turn it into a different issue. I got roped into the off topic debate.

I'm still waiting for an answer to what an assault weapon is.

mattsl1983

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callen said:

Believe in same state as you.

So same state? Same city, Houston? Is open carry an issue here or do you just not like it?

callen

mattsl1983 said:

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callen said:

Believe in same state as you.

So same state? Same city, Houston? Is open carry an issue here or do you just not like it?

So from my understanding of current law and sure you'll advise of not accurate, long arms can be carried if in non threatening way but handguns concealed.

People don't walk around with rifles as you know but will be sad day when people feel free to walk around with glocks strapped to their hips.

Again it shows what a sad society we've become when it gets to this.

jmuscatello

Matts1983 - hypocrisy is calling brianlux and others misinformed because they disagreed with you but then saying that just because someone disagrees doesn't make them ignorant (not "inferior" as you misquoted yourself). I am somewhat informed on open-carry laws in TX, AZ, and here in CO but I still disagree.... maybe I'm just misinformed.....hard to tell huh

But I think brianlux made the comment that the NRA probably took their stance (Jason P's post) because they were worried about turning off the public to their gun agenda - that's the way I see it, with mid-term elections coming up they are concerned about alienating voters.

But carry on - your sarcasm is in SUCH fine form today!

callen

mattsl1983 said:

Thanks unsung, it's sad when those that argue against it and have no other response but to turn it into a different issue. I got roped into the off topic debate.

I'm still waiting for an answer to what an assault weapon is.

You got roped in. HA.

As to your question your baiting we both know that.

brianlux

It's an early-to work day so I only have time for this: This is a somewhat conflicted issue for me- If I were God I would make all guns vanish. If I were Benevolent Dictator I would say who gets to have guns and who doesn't. But the reality is people will always have guns and some of the wrong people (my opinion) will have them. There will also always be violence. All I can do is lobby for a more non-violent world.

And yes, mattsl, I have no personal issues here- I love you all- mmmwwwah! )

No, seriously, we're all good here. Have a great day, friends.

unsung

callen said:

mattsl1983 said:

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callen said:

Believe in same state as you.

So same state? Same city, Houston? Is open carry an issue here or do you just not like it?

So from my understanding of current law and sure you'll advise of not accurate, long arms can be carried if in non threatening way but handguns concealed.

People don't walk around with rifles as you know but will be sad day when people feel free to walk around with glocks strapped to their hips.

Again it shows what a sad society we've become when it gets to this.

A sad society? You do realize that people used to carry all of the time when this country was founded?

We aren't doing anything we haven't already done.

goingtoverona

my two cents is...I don't care if people want to open carry in public, I just don't know why you would want to. I would think that if a robber went in to a bank to rob it, saw a guy with a gun on his hip, that person would be the first one shot or at a minimum have a gun pointed at him in an attempt to disarm. why make yourself a target?

callen

unsung said:

callen said:

mattsl1983 said:

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callen said:

Believe in same state as you.

So same state? Same city, Houston? Is open carry an issue here or do you just not like it?

So from my understanding of current law and sure you'll advise of not accurate, long arms can be carried if in non threatening way but handguns concealed.

People don't walk around with rifles as you know but will be sad day when people feel free to walk around with glocks strapped to their hips.

Again it shows what a sad society we've become when it gets to this.

A sad society? You do realize that people used to carry all of the time when this country was founded?

We aren't doing anything we haven't already done.

We've done lots of stuff in past but was it right? Times have changed. Just can't imagine living in society where people are worried about a gun fight breaking out.

Can't wrap my head around arming everyone. The idiots that share the road with me? Fellow Walmart shoppers. Nothing more I can add to discussion.