Just one more firearms thread

goingtoverona
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http://news.yahoo.com/gun-control-advocates-lawmaker-arrest-setback-220631790.html
if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,605
    Shameful if the allegations are true. Hypocrisy at its worst.

    Not really about firearms so much as it is about a crooked politician, though.
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Well I said it in another thread, a gun banning politician that illegally sells guns.

    And I'm supposed to follow the laws that he creates???
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    corruption, lies, the list goes on. this fuckin guy is a well off political leader who is a bullshit artist. then some wonder why it is difficult for some to trust their government, which ever one that may be. good job
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,677
    Yeah, one hypocritical politician nullifies the whole deal. That's why the global warming issue has been nullified- because AL Gore has a big ecological footprint. That's why Planned Parenthood is nullified- because somebody in the organization got pregnant and refused an abortion for religious reasons. That's why banning the killing of dolphins is nullified- because some activist shot a dolphin. That's why banning the use of rare woods in guitars is nullified- because guys like me have once owned a Les Paul.

    So now because of this... we can all have GUNS!
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  • goingtoverona
    goingtoverona Posts: 616
    blux, aren't you kinda doing the same thing just on the other end of the spectrum? I mean aren't you anti-gunners letting adam lanza, the Colorado movie dude, and the giffords guy ruin it for everyone else? i'm not getting what point you're trying to get across.
    and we can all have guns not because of this, but because they exist.
    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,677
    goingtoverona said:

    blux, aren't you kinda doing the same thing just on the other end of the spectrum? I mean aren't you anti-gunners letting adam lanza, the Colorado movie dude, and the giffords guy ruin it for everyone else? i'm not getting what point you're trying to get across.
    and we can all have guns not because of this, but because they exist.

    My point is more generic than about the gun issue. What I'm trying to say is that one asshole who does something stupid should not reflect what one side of an issue is about.

    And why do you refer to me as an "anti-gunner"? First of all I hate labels and secondly I have said elsewhere that I personally know responsible gun owners and that these people do not go broadcasting about on public forums that they own guns. I have consistently said that we should have more strict laws about gun ownership, that we should have better screening and gun registration. It is true that my beliefs about gun ownership are not at all well received by gun enthusiasts because if my ideas were put in place it would be at least somewhat if not rather difficult for people to obtain and own firearms and they would not be able to casually walk around with them as freely as they would like. If "ruining it for everyone else" means fewer guns and fewer guns deaths then I don't see any reason for me to apologize.

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  • Pingfah
    Pingfah Posts: 350
    He's trying to say that a cause doesn't become unjust simply because a dishonest person supports it.

    It's not the same thing on the other end of the spectrum, it's not even on the same spectrum, you're talking about 2 different concepts. Gun control advocates don't claim that the actions of irresponsible gun owners reflect badly on the responsible ones, they just believe that responsible gun owners must make sacrifices for the greater good..
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,677
    Pingfah said:

    He's trying to say that a cause doesn't become unjust simply because a dishonest person supports it.

    It's not the same thing on the other end of the spectrum, it's not even on the same spectrum, you're talking about 2 different concepts. Gun control advocates don't claim that the actions of irresponsible gun owners reflect badly on the responsible ones, they just believe that responsible gun owners must make sacrifices for the greater good..

    Yes- thank you! (And much better said than my rambling. :-) )

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  • goingtoverona
    goingtoverona Posts: 616
    yeah I understand that, I guess I was trying to figure out where and who said your cause became unjust. I don't see this event and think oh yeah validation baby, which i guess is how i came off by posting the link. it's just another asshole making himself look bad.
    I do wish the "make sacrifices for the greater good" attitude was for more than just guns.
    and blux i'm not asking you to apologize yo, i think it's great you voice your opinion(despite the fact your favorite people on "my side of the fence" are the ones that keep their mouths shut).
    and i feel exactly the same about cars that you do about guns. i picked a group of people and made them priority over everyone else. fewer cars and fewer car deaths?? i'll take it.
    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    It makes sense, we need to punish people just in case they decide they might do something bad. You know, for the greater good.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,677
    unsung said:

    It makes sense, we need to punish people just in case they decide they might do something bad. You know, for the greater good.

    Sorry you see greater gun control as punishment. I don't think most of us in favor of more strict gun control have any intention of "punishing" anyone. If you are a responsible gun owner and are not a violent person you should have little to worry about.

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  • Ganjaplease
    Ganjaplease Posts: 65
    edited March 2014
    Why would anyone be FOR gun control?



    Who would be in charge of taking all the guns away? the gov't?


    might as fire up the ovens man, that's fucking holocaust shit right there.

    If you take guns away from everyone, only the centralized authority will be carrying, and the private security forces they rely so heavily on. on which they rely so heavily. whatever,


    the problem isn't guns themselves, its the culture that capitalism creates...we have 3rd world cities inside the richest nation in the world. they've created a culture of violence in these inner cities, a police state, and they wonder why kids turn to gangs and violence.

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  • Ganjaplease
    Ganjaplease Posts: 65
    and why are there like 10 gun threads on the first page, does this board have no mods?
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,677
    Ganjaplease said:

    and why are there like 10 gun threads on the first page, does this board have no mods?

    Don't you know- it's AMT. A Machinegun Train.

    But seriously, we might consider have just one general gun thread. Also, some guy keeps posting about global warming so maybe just one global warming thread would do as well.

    What see ye, train riders?

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  • Ganjaplease
    Ganjaplease Posts: 65
    edited March 2014

    that's the thing...if you are agaisnt guns you've probably never went out and just shot shit up with a shotgun. old buildings. loading slugs into 12 gauges trying drop supports for carports on run down buildings. my brothers and me lining up llike we're a firing squad. shooting clay pidgeons 2 at a time. that kinda stuff is fun as shit. and it hurts nobody, and it bother nobody, the nearest neighbor is 20 acres away and he's probably doing the same thing anyway.


    its a blast...unless Dick Cheney comes along, then you gotta watch your face.
  • goingtoverona
    goingtoverona Posts: 616
    @ganja, yeah that's all fine and dandy, you're not hurting anyone yourself, but people use guns to kill people. guns are designed to kill and we don't need them. wouldn't you be willing to give up shooting shit to save lives? check it....
    you don't need a gun for self defense because the odds of being the victim of a crime are so tiny, that you can pretty much bet it will never happen to you. and in the event you were a victim of a crime and you had a gun, you would completely freak out and start killing all the innocent people around you while letting the bad guy get away. that's not cool.
    you also don't need to shoot a gun for fun when knitting is very fun and doesn't get people killed.
    and so what if banning guns doesn't work. so what if it would create a black market where criminals could still get their guns and only cops and criminals would have them. at least there would be less guns. we gotta do whatever it takes, even if it doesn't work. if it saves even one life....it's worth it.
    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • Ganjaplease
    Ganjaplease Posts: 65
    who's gonna take the guns? the gov't? because you're not really taking guns away from everybody,somebody has to enforce the rule. so you're not getting rid of guns, you're taking them away from the majority and centralizing them into the hands of the gov't and the private security forces,which as it turns out are the biggest scumbags on the planet/ if they were the only ones with guns..we're pretty much fucked.



    now if it came down to all out revolution, firearms will be no match for the US military....but agasint the police its making em think twice. and fuck the police, especially white cops fucking with minorities. You send a black man and a white guy to court for the same crimes and the black guy is guarantees jail time while the white guy gets probation.

    personally...Iif some guy was about to take me to a place i couldn't escape, where gang rape was a real possibility, i sure as shit wouldn't back down to him. and that's another problem with this scenario.,


    maximum security prisons in the US constitute cruel and unusual punishment. somebody ought to file that lawsuit;.


    goingtoverona said:

    @ganja, yeah that's all fine and dandy, you're not hurting anyone yourself, but people use guns to kill people. guns are designed to kill and we don't need them. wouldn't you be willing to give up shooting shit to save lives? check it....
    you don't need a gun for self defense because the odds of being the victim of a crime are so tiny, that you can pretty much bet it will never happen to you. and in the event you were a victim of a crime and you had a gun, you would completely freak out and start killing all the innocent people around you while letting the bad guy get away. that's not cool.
    you also don't need to shoot a gun for fun when knitting is very fun and doesn't get people killed.
    and so what if banning guns doesn't work. so what if it would create a black market where criminals could still get their guns and only cops and criminals would have them. at least there would be less guns. we gotta do whatever it takes, even if it doesn't work. if it saves even one life....it's worth it.

  • Ganjaplease
    Ganjaplease Posts: 65
    edited March 2014
    AND...do you think making guns illegal will keep them off the streets?


    have you ever smoked pot?>
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,819
    well I think in my state IF we knew who bought the guns and which guns that are then transported across state lines to be sold in the black market then we can hold THOSE people accountable. The ones who buy from the MONTHLY GUN SHOW in my city
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  • Ganjaplease
    Ganjaplease Posts: 65
    First they put away the dealers,
    keep our kids safe and off the street.
    Then they put away the prostitutes,
    keep married men cloistered at home.
    Then they shooed away the bums,
    then they beat and bashed the queers,
    turned away asylum-seekers,
    fed us suspicions and fears.
    We didn´t raise our voice,
    we didn´t make a fuss.
    It´s funny there was no one left to notice
    when they came for us.

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