Just one more firearms thread

mattsl1983

Maybe instead of blaming guns, we should look at why this kids are acting out violently? Naw, let's just blame guns.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

We definitely need to look at why kids are expressing themselves with violence.

In the meantime, we should take steps to curb the violence. An obvious solution is to address the glaring weakness that exists in the gun retail industry.

mattsl1983

Thirty, what are these glaring weaknesses that exist in the gun industry? How many of these glaring weaknesses are responsible for school these school shooting?

cincybearcat

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

We definitely need to look at why kids are expressing themselves with violence.

In the meantime, we should take steps to curb the violence. An obvious solution is to address the glaring weakness that exists in the gun retail industry.

Yeah cause that's completely new. We never had people using violence before. It's the video games, it's the music....

Ok I do agree that you have to look into this, but the truth is people getting pissed off and fighting or wanting to fight classmates, or hurt the world because of their pain isn't exactly new at all. We should be trying to provide outlets for this and help. But we should also make it harder for someone like that to get weapons that allow then to kill mass quantities of people in a short period of time.

unsung

Would you prefer that they killed mass quantities in a long period of time?

Instead of going after a device, that by itself is inanimate, why don't we get to the root of the issue?

Because all of the anti-gunner solutions offered still do not address that issue, and none would have prevented any of these recent events.

unsung

mattsl1983 said:

Maybe instead of blaming guns, we should look at why this kids are acting out violently? Naw, let's just blame guns.

Tread carefully, you are making sense, they don't like that in these parts.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mattsl1983 said:

Thirty, what are these glaring weaknesses that exist in the gun industry? How many of these glaring weaknesses are responsible for school these school shooting?

1. Ease of access.
2. 'Style' of weapon available for purchase.

Are two blatant problems that need to be addressed.

Cincy addressed 'access' in the last post: we should also make it harder for someone like that to get weapons that allow then to kill mass quantities of people in a short period of time.

If you coupled such an action plan by removing handguns and assault rifles from the equation and limited ammunition sales to registered owners... you would likely see a slight correction in firearm deaths and firearm tragedies.

A concerted effort to address poverty in your country would likely be the catalyst for the change everybody is truly looking for. A new design for the redistribution of wealth to give people a life worth living without resorting to crime from despair or anger.

unsung

Your action is radical and far-reaching. It punishes the law abiding and does not address the real issue.

It like blaming the horse for getting out of the pen when you are the one that left the gate open.

unsung

FWIW, I am in the process of obtaining some Federal Firearms Licenses, let me tell you it is not easy to obtain such items. That perception needs to go away, I have been working through this for almost two months.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

unsung said:

FWIW, I am in the process of obtaining some Federal Firearms Licenses, let me tell you it is not easy to obtain such items. That perception needs to go away, I have been working through this for almost two months.

Yah, but this is because you're trying to buy a bazooka.

If you want to buy a little old handgun... just go to the gas station.

brianlux

It always strikes as strange that people defend having guns by saying that they are just guns and that they don't just get up and kill people (or other animals) or that they are inanimate or that "guns don't kill people, people kill people". It's a nifty way to overlook the fact that guns are made to kill- that killing is the soul purpose for their manufacture.

And yes, Thirty, handguns and rifles are still far too easy to obtain in the U.S. They're everywhere.

mickeyrat

Any word of todays freedom blood payment?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mickeyrat said:

Any word of todays freedom blood payment?

Give it time young Jedi... give it time.

jmuscatello

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mattsl1983 said:

Thirty, what are these glaring weaknesses that exist in the gun industry? How many of these glaring weaknesses are responsible for school these school shooting?

1. Ease of access.
2. 'Style' of weapon available for purchase.

Are two blatant problems that need to be addressed.

Cincy addressed 'access' in the last post: we should also make it harder for someone like that to get weapons that allow then to kill mass quantities of people in a short period of time.

If you coupled such an action plan by removing handguns and assault rifles from the equation and limited ammunition sales to registered owners... you would likely see a slight correction in firearm deaths and firearm tragedies.

A concerted effort to address poverty in your country would likely be the catalyst for the change everybody is truly looking for. A new design for the redistribution of wealth to give people a life worth living without resorting to crime from despair or anger.

Agree completely. Determining the root cause of the violence is of course the ideal solution, but in the meantime, can you deny that ease of access is not a contributing factor? An American 18 year old gets pissed off he can go buy a gun. They want a beer... nah, gotta wait 3 more years. Mental illness is an obvious part of the problem, and many of the potentially most dangerous conditions (schizophrenia and bipolar disorder) often first present in the 18-21 age group. Not raising the minimum purchase and possession age from 18 is a glaring weakness to me.

unsung

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

FWIW, I am in the process of obtaining some Federal Firearms Licenses, let me tell you it is not easy to obtain such items. That perception needs to go away, I have been working through this for almost two months.

Yah, but this is because you're trying to buy a bazooka.

If you want to buy a little old handgun... just go to the gas station.

Not really, although I'd love to own one, or at least fire one, I'm not taking on that liability.

Next time you go into a gas station that will sell you a handgun for cash and no questions asked please post a picture.

unsung

brianlux said:

It always strikes as strange that people defend having guns by saying that they are just guns and that they don't just get up and kill people (or other animals) or that they are inanimate or that "guns don't kill people, people kill people". It's a nifty way to overlook the fact that guns are made to kill- that killing is the soul purpose for their manufacture.

And yes, Thirty, handguns and rifles are still far too easy to obtain in the U.S. They're everywhere.

One man's killing machine is another's defense tool.

See when the Department of Homeland Security buys them they are defense weapons.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/27/homeland-security-seeking-7000-assault-weapons-per/

unsung

jmuscatello said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mattsl1983 said:

Thirty, what are these glaring weaknesses that exist in the gun industry? How many of these glaring weaknesses are responsible for school these school shooting?

1. Ease of access.
2. 'Style' of weapon available for purchase.

Are two blatant problems that need to be addressed.

Cincy addressed 'access' in the last post: we should also make it harder for someone like that to get weapons that allow then to kill mass quantities of people in a short period of time.

If you coupled such an action plan by removing handguns and assault rifles from the equation and limited ammunition sales to registered owners... you would likely see a slight correction in firearm deaths and firearm tragedies.

A concerted effort to address poverty in your country would likely be the catalyst for the change everybody is truly looking for. A new design for the redistribution of wealth to give people a life worth living without resorting to crime from despair or anger.

Agree completely. Determining the root cause of the violence is of course the ideal solution, but in the meantime, can you deny that ease of access is not a contributing factor? An American 18 year old gets pissed off he can go buy a gun. They want a beer... nah, gotta wait 3 more years. Mental illness is an obvious part of the problem, and many of the potentially most dangerous conditions (schizophrenia and bipolar disorder) often first present in the 18-21 age group. Not raising the minimum purchase and possession age from 18 is a glaring weakness to me.

You have to be 21 in my state to own a handgun.

goingtoverona

@blux, in your opinion, if i only shoot at targets and don't kill, am i being an irresponsible gun owner since guns are made to kill and i don't use them to kill? and if guns are made to kill, then why aren't there any instructions telling me how to kill? surely there would be some info on where the best place to shoot a person or animal is. all my killing instructions are missing. the only instructions i have talk about how the gun works and how to clean it.

unsung

Nice reply.

jmuscatello

unsung said:

jmuscatello said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mattsl1983 said:

Thirty, what are these glaring weaknesses that exist in the gun industry? How many of these glaring weaknesses are responsible for school these school shooting?

1. Ease of access.
2. 'Style' of weapon available for purchase.

Are two blatant problems that need to be addressed.

Cincy addressed 'access' in the last post: we should also make it harder for someone like that to get weapons that allow then to kill mass quantities of people in a short period of time.

If you coupled such an action plan by removing handguns and assault rifles from the equation and limited ammunition sales to registered owners... you would likely see a slight correction in firearm deaths and firearm tragedies.

A concerted effort to address poverty in your country would likely be the catalyst for the change everybody is truly looking for. A new design for the redistribution of wealth to give people a life worth living without resorting to crime from despair or anger.

Agree completely. Determining the root cause of the violence is of course the ideal solution, but in the meantime, can you deny that ease of access is not a contributing factor? An American 18 year old gets pissed off he can go buy a gun. They want a beer... nah, gotta wait 3 more years. Mental illness is an obvious part of the problem, and many of the potentially most dangerous conditions (schizophrenia and bipolar disorder) often first present in the 18-21 age group. Not raising the minimum purchase and possession age from 18 is a glaring weakness to me.

You have to be 21 in my state to own a handgun.

Handguns 21 in some states, 18 in others, 16 in VT (WTF?) And the gun lobby is always pushing to go lower.
Long rifles 18 in most states. So that's roughly half of the senior class in an average US high school can go legally buy a shotgun, no parental consent needed. That's insane.