Just one more firearms thread

unsung

callen said:

unsung said:

Right and wrong?

Says who?

Arms race? Ah, the great wild west shootout that the anti's claim will always happen but never does.

Right agree can debate right and wrong but laws have no validity so when you asked were they doing something illegal, not relevant.

My opinion is that if the US suddenly went to all open carry it would suck big time. You disagree? Would you support?

Laws have no validity? What are you talking about? Of course laws have everything to do with this.

Ok, I'll re-phrase differently...

Were they acting in an unlawful manner? Or is this just a case of hurt feelings?

Be honest.

mattsl1983

I live in an open carry state. Not scary at all. There are restrictions and ordances passed by each city/county that are are placed. But the view of the people in my state is probably different than yours. States/cultures/hobbies differ. Leave it up to the state, don't make it a federal issue.

Also I would highly suggest you actually learn the open carry laws and the states that allow it. Then also learn that when a state has open carry you learn the restrictions. Because you seem very misinformed and scared. Learn, then make an opinion. Don't make an opinion and then not learn anything.

brianlux

Some people are actually getting tired of guns and violence. I'll give a good example. I live outside of an Old West town, Placerville, CA. Until about 5 years ago some of the local cowboys dressed up in their western gear and had shoot outs (with blanks but very loud) on Main St. It freaked a lot of people out so now they only have shoot outs on special event days like Founder's Day which makes more sense.

Another interesting note- Placerville has, for a long time, had the nickname "Old Hangtown" because in the 1800's a few people were strung up on a tree on Main Street and hung by the neck until dead. Lovely, huh? I've always despised that about this town but there is now a petition of sorts going around to give the town a new nickname- one good example is "The Heart of Gold Country".

Which town would you prefer to visit, "Hangtown" or "The Heart of Gold Country"?

It's time for change.

"Throw your hatred down. Throw your weapons down."
-Neil Young

mattsl1983

Brianlux,

You say it's time for a change, can I ask you what the change is that it's time for?

brianlux

mattsl1983 said:

Brianlux,

You say it's time for a change, can I ask you what the change is that it's time for?

Yes, matts1983, you certainly may.

It's time to:

End war and make peace,
End overtaxing the earth's resources and begin cleaning up the land air and water,
End violence and begin to disarm use diplomacy to settle differences
End bigotry, racism, sexism and homophobia and begin championing diversity,
End violence toward women and begin to treat women with respect,
End hunger and homelessness and begin to insure everyone is fed and sheltered,
End cruelty to animals and begin to respect their rights as fellow creatures,
End bullying and teach kids to be tolerant,
End greed and be thankful for what we have and give more to others and
End ignorance and become educated.

I really, honestly, truly do not believe that is asking too much.

mattsl1983

The context of my question was based on the thread we posting in. So can I ask what it's time to change about firearms?

Also, just just because someone disagrees with your view, doesn't mean they are ignorant or uneducated. Underlining thoughts like these are half the reasons most of the problems you posted exist. Once someone feels they are superior, it causes problems for the ones they feel are inferior.

jmuscatello

mattsl1983 said:

Because you seem very misinformed and scared. Learn, then make an opinion. Don't make an opinion and then not learn anything.

and then

mattsl1983 said:

Also, just just because someone disagrees with your view, doesn't mean they are ignorant or uneducated. Underlining thoughts like these are half the reasons most of the problems you posted exist. Once someone feels they are superior, it causes problems for the ones they feel are inferior.

hmmmm.

mattsl1983

brianlux said:

mattsl1983 said:

Brianlux,

You say it's time for a change, can I ask you what the change is that it's time for?

Yes, matts1983, you certainly may.

It's time to:

End war and make peace,
End overtaxing the earth's resources and begin cleaning up the land air and water,
End violence and begin to disarm use diplomacy to settle differences
End bigotry, racism, sexism and homophobia and begin championing diversity,
End violence toward women and begin to treat women with respect,
End hunger and homelessness and begin to insure everyone is fed and sheltered,
End cruelty to animals and begin to respect their rights as fellow creatures,
End bullying and teach kids to be tolerant,
End greed and be thankful for what we have and give more to others and
End ignorance and become educated.

I really, honestly, truly do not believe that is asking too much.

I would also like to know, for the sake of it's not to much to ask for, what is your solution to each of the problems you posted? An actual realist viable option for each problem? Or do you like to sit back, point out and disagree with issues you see and offer no actual feasible solution?

brianlux

mattsl1983 said:

The context of my question was based on the thread we posting in. So can I ask what it's time to change about firearms?

Also, just just because someone disagrees with your view, doesn't mean they are ignorant or uneducated. Underlining thoughts like these are half the reasons most of the problems you posted exist. Once someone feels they are superior, it causes problems for the ones they feel are inferior.

Sorry if it was not clear that "End violence and begin to disarm [and] use diplomacy to settle differences" refers to the thread topic, but I did answer your question directly by the way it was stated and no, of course I would not infer that anyone who disagrees with me is ignorant or uneducated- that's an illogical conclusion to what I said. But I don't think you want an answer to your question- I think you want at an argument. I'm through here.

Halifax2TheMax

brianlux said:

Some people are actually getting tired of guns and violence. I'll give a good example. I live outside of an Old West town, Placerville, CA. Until about 5 years ago some of the local cowboys dressed up in their western gear and had shoot outs (with blanks but very loud) on Main St. It freaked a lot of people out so now they only have shoot outs on special event days like Founder's Day which makes more sense.

Another interesting note- Placerville has, for a long time, had the nickname "Old Hangtown" because in the 1800's a few people were strung up on a tree on Main Street and hung by the neck until dead. Lovely, huh? I've always despised that about this town but there is now a petition of sorts going around to give the town a new nickname- one good example is "The Heart of Gold Country".

Which town would you prefer to visit, "Hangtown" or "The Heart of Gold Country"?

It's time for change.

"Throw your hatred down. Throw your weapons down."
-Neil Young

So Matts, answer the question, which town would you prefer to visit?

Peace.

mattsl1983

Brianlux, so your all encompassing answer is to end violence? Great answer. You my friend have the solutions to the issues you speak up against. A reply like that means I can't even argue that knives kill more people a year in the United States than guns do. You my friend, superiorly educated.

mattsl1983

So how do we end violence? I know that's your answer, but how?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mattsl1983 said:

So how do we end violence? I know that's your answer, but how?

Parental licensing.

mattsl1983

Which town would I prefer to visit? Well let's see, seeing as there ain't been much hanging going on, and the heart of gold country sounds super cliche, I'd actually want to check out hangtown. That's my honest answer, a place like hangtown sounds like it's got some history, a place like heart of gold country sounds like it probably has more more gift shops than bathrooms.

mattsl1983

I also like the fact that you all completely ignore the fact that brianlux mentions the citizens would get scared, and the local government made a change to the shoot outs. They limited them. I say bravo, good job local government. But don't use that idea that all people must feel the same, and it should be banned nation wide. What one community thinks isn't necessarily the same as another community.

brianlux

^^^ LOL, Halifax- thank you!

mattsl1983

jmuscatello said:

mattsl1983 said:

Because you seem very misinformed and scared. Learn, then make an opinion. Don't make an opinion and then not learn anything.

and then

mattsl1983 said:

Also, just just because someone disagrees with your view, doesn't mean they are ignorant or uneducated. Underlining thoughts like these are half the reasons most of the problems you posted exist. Once someone feels they are superior, it causes problems for the ones they feel are inferior.

hmmmm.

Hmm what? I pointed out that someone sounds misinformed and should learn about the laws of open carry that they are auguring about are? And pointed that because someone disagrees doesn't make them inferior?

That's a major hmmm. Great input to the conversation muscalleto!

mattsl1983

Brianlux, you've not answered my question, but I did answer yours. Should I use an arrow pointing up followed by "lol" to deflect and not address anything? Just curious because that was a very enlightening response.

brianlux

mattsl1983 said:

Brianlux, you've not answered my question, but I did answer yours. Should I use an arrow pointing up followed by "lol" to deflect and not address anything? Just curious because that was a very enlightening response.

Well man, I'm just not very enlightened this evening- what can I say?

You've asked several question but I'm assuming you want an answer- with regard to the topic of "Just one more firearms thread"- to this one:

"You say it's time for a change, can I ask you what the change is that it's time for?"

I would suggest that we change the laws so that assault weapons are banned for all but military and special forces use and make more difficult the ownership of firearms in general. I'm sure I've said these things already.

Another question you asked is: "Brianlux, so your all encompassing answer is to end violence?"

The answer to that is, no. I never said that. Where did you get that.

Another slew of question you threw out:

"I would also like to know, for the sake of it's not to much to ask for, what is your solution to each of the problems you posted?"

End war and make peace,
End overtaxing the earth's resources and begin cleaning up the land air and water,
End violence and begin to disarm use diplomacy to settle differences
End bigotry, racism, sexism and homophobia and begin championing diversity,
End violence toward women and begin to treat women with respect,
End hunger and homelessness and begin to insure everyone is fed and sheltered,
End cruelty to animals and begin to respect their rights as fellow creatures,
End bullying and teach kids to be tolerant,
End greed and be thankful for what we have and give more to others and
End ignorance and become educated.

I'd need a book's worth of space to do justice to addressing my thoughts on solving all of these problems. I won't do that here. Basically- very basically- it comes down to things like increased education, understanding, generosity, compassion, cooperation, consideration, diplomacy, using common sense, constraining our unchecked urges and showing more concern for life and the world that sustains us and listening more to analog love songs. Especially the latter.

"An actual realist viable option for each problem?"

Maybe I should write that book after all. Stay tuned.

"Or do you like to sit back, point out and disagree with issues you see and offer no actual feasible solution?"

Getting a bit testy, aren't we? No, I don't just sit around and spout off. If you've read even a small percentage of my post over the years you would know I've frequently offered or suggested solutions and ideas- and learned just as many from others here. No, I don't come here to just spout off- I come here to learn and disseminate what ever it is I've learned that might be useful or make a little difference. If I'm not mistaken, that is one of the main reasons why we have A Moving Train.

mattsl1983

Not testy at all, I'm just curious.

To quote you in another thread "Actually, I agree that "there are no bad guns only bad gun owners". I know some very responsible gun owners. My issue with guns is not the guns, it's with many of the people who have them and what they do with them and the fact that people can acquire assault weapons and that guns are too easy to obtain in most states. Sorry my friend, I'm just not feeling that conflicted."

So you are okay with knowing the people who have guns, but not okay with those that you don't? Hypocrisy. Also you never defined what an assault weapon is. Did you look at the link I posted earlier? The one from Stanford that shows the history and facts of assault weapons?