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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Rights not exercised are not going to remain rights for long.
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    unsung said:

    I feel safer when I'm eating at a place that allows open or concealed carry.

    It is the last place a criminal would try to commit a crime.

    Post that no guns allowed sign, crooks then can clean house.

    That sign makes you feel safer?

    It's not the crooks I'm worried about. It's the people with the guns.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    Westboro Church doesn't violate any laws as well when exercising their rights but there are many more tactful ways to persuade your vision to the public.

    It's a dumb tactic that hurts their interpretation of the 2nd Amendment to the general public. I'd like to see them keep it up.
  • unsung said:

    Rights not exercised are not going to remain rights for long.

    So you're saying there's a chance?
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  • callen said:

    unsung said:

    I feel safer when I'm eating at a place that allows open or concealed carry.

    It is the last place a criminal would try to commit a crime.

    Post that no guns allowed sign, crooks then can clean house.

    That sign makes you feel safer?

    It's not the crooks I'm worried about. It's the people with the guns.
    Like that guy in the movie theater that shot that other guy because he was texting someone?
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    edited June 2014

    callen said:

    unsung said:

    I feel safer when I'm eating at a place that allows open or concealed carry.

    It is the last place a criminal would try to commit a crime.

    Post that no guns allowed sign, crooks then can clean house.

    That sign makes you feel safer?

    It's not the crooks I'm worried about. It's the people with the guns.
    Like that guy in the movie theater that shot that other guy because he was texting someone?
    Good example.

    Was in drive thru last night behind proud gun owner. Had several stickers on back window including "Secede" (some in Texas want to leave the Union. "Come and take it". Sticker of m16. But best was 18"x18" in middle with skull two glocks with wording including. "Protected by second amendment." "Second amendment was original homeland security."

    Now how great it would be to allow this yahoo to openly carry a glock. Are we fucked as society? Beginning to lose faith.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Jason P said:

    Westboro Church doesn't violate any laws as well when exercising their rights but there are many more tactful ways to persuade your vision to the public.

    It's a dumb tactic that hurts their interpretation of the 2nd Amendment to the general public. I'd like to see them keep it up.

    You'd think there would be public outcry but worried it won't happen. Always thought we'd become more civil but now. Fk.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    edited June 2014
    callen said:

    callen said:

    unsung said:

    I feel safer when I'm eating at a place that allows open or concealed carry.

    It is the last place a criminal would try to commit a crime.

    Post that no guns allowed sign, crooks then can clean house.

    That sign makes you feel safer?

    It's not the crooks I'm worried about. It's the people with the guns.
    Like that guy in the movie theater that shot that other guy because he was texting someone?
    Good example.

    Was in drive thru last night behind proud gun owner. Had several stickers on back window including "Secede" (some in Texas want to leave the Union. "Come and take it". Sticker of m16. But best was 18"x18" in middle with skull two glocks with wording including. "Protected by second amendment." "Second amendment was original homeland security."

    Now how great it would be to allow this yahoo to openly carry a glock. Are we fucked as society? Beginning to lose faith.

    So you are ok with him carrying one concealed then?

    Do the opinions of others always frighten you?


    But really, stickers on trucks scare me too, but it is those Obama stickers along with a COEXIST sticker on a Prius that really keeps me up at night.

    Oh the irony.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    unsung said:

    callen said:

    callen said:

    unsung said:

    I feel safer when I'm eating at a place that allows open or concealed carry.

    It is the last place a criminal would try to commit a crime.

    Post that no guns allowed sign, crooks then can clean house.

    That sign makes you feel safer?

    It's not the crooks I'm worried about. It's the people with the guns.
    Like that guy in the movie theater that shot that other guy because he was texting someone?
    Good example.

    Was in drive thru last night behind proud gun owner. Had several stickers on back window including "Secede" (some in Texas want to leave the Union. "Come and take it". Sticker of m16. But best was 18"x18" in middle with skull two glocks with wording including. "Protected by second amendment." "Second amendment was original homeland security."

    Now how great it would be to allow this yahoo to openly carry a glock. Are we fucked as society? Beginning to lose faith.

    So you are ok with him carrying one concealed then?

    Do the opinions of others always frighten you?
    I'm not okay with concealed either. I'm great with opinions but when those opinions affect my safety I have a problem with them.

    I support personal freedoms and am anti gov but something has to give and arming everyone doesn't seem like good strategy.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    I have fists, are you afraid I might punch you if you were next to me?

    I have feet too, are you afraid that you could get kicked?
  • unsung said:

    I have fists, are you afraid I might punch you if you were next to me?

    I have feet too, are you afraid that you could get kicked?

    No. Fists and feet aren't what I'd call 'in the same league' as guns.

    What you have said here is tantamount to comparing Pomeranians to Wolves when measuring threat assessment.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    edited June 2014
    You are missing the point. To use any of the three requires intent.

    callen said he/she does not fear the criminal, but instead does fear the stickers on a truck and law abiding citizens carrying inanimate objects.

    And we know, of course, that opinionated stickers are a greater threat to public safety over those who have actual intent on creating mayhem.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,594
    wonder if this was legally carried to begin with....

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/loaded-gun-found-toys-sc-target-store-24013754



    Police are investigating how a loaded gun wound up among children's toys at a Target store in South Carolina.

    According to a police report, an employee at the Myrtle Beach store reported May 30 that he was investigating a possible theft when he noticed a black handgun on top of a superhero toy box.

    The employee told officers he had seen a man repeatedly walking around that section of the store, but authorities said they didn't know if that man had put the gun among the toys.

    Authorities said the 9-mm handgun had not been reported stolen and had eight bullets inside. Officers said they would review security camera footage to try to determine who left the gun in the store.

    The discovery comes as Target and other retailers face pressure to prohibit customers from carrying guns into their stores. On Wednesday, the group Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America launched a petition asking the company to prevent customers from carrying firearms in Target stores. The petition is unrelated to the discovery of the gun in South Carolina.

    A spokeswoman for Target said the safety of its employees and customers are its top priority. Store employees are working with law enforcement in Myrtle Beach to help track down the person who left the gun, spokeswoman Molly Snyder said.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    I wouldn't be surprised if someone from that moms group was the person who purposely planted that firearm.
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    edited June 2014
    unsung said:

    You are missing the point. To use any of the three requires intent.

    callen said he/she does not fear the criminal, but instead does fear the stickers on a truck and law abiding citizens carrying inanimate objects.

    And we know, of course, that opinionated stickers are a greater threat to public safety over those who have actual intent on creating mayhem.

    First have lived in major city for many years. Neighbors been robbed my wheels stolen. Never let my fear of an environment keep me from going to an event. I don't fear as the guy with the stickers.

    So not afraid of stickers just sucks at mentality of scared humans.

    Edited this post as some was disrespectful
    Post edited by callen on
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    "We're not animals we live in a fucking society."
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Okay have to reference Jeffries. :)
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    edited June 2014
    unsung said:

    You are missing the point. To use any of the three requires intent.

    callen said he/she does not fear the criminal, but instead does fear the stickers on a truck and law abiding citizens carrying inanimate objects.

    And we know, of course, that opinionated stickers are a greater threat to public safety over those who have actual intent on creating mayhem.

    I do fear having dudes like this becoming my security force. I would much rather the crook have the gun, rob everyone and leave then there being a gun battle. Counter point to my position could include robbers just stop robbing but don't think that will happen. Robbers would just adapt to being even more violent and have even more itchy trigger fingers.

    And let's just pretend robbers would just stop, well now you have all these macho wanna be tough guys with ever increasing one up man ship in side armor walking around being tough. Oh add some good ole beer, pretty woman and .......let alone mental illness and general lack of manners.

    So yes I feel much better with just the crooks having guns and allowing the police and technology get the bad guys off the street.

    As it's done in the rest of civilized western world.
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  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    crooks have the guns, decent citizens would not have guns just the police get guns.

    this is a bad idea. this also will not ever happen & the city police & other lawmen & women out running around enforcing & protecting us good citizens want help

    cops like having smart armed citizens out there. it's a fact

    why on earth would anyone not want armed decent ppl out there when they may be needed?
    crooks have the guns, good folks get swingsets

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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    edited June 2014
    callen said:

    unsung said:

    You are missing the point. To use any of the three requires intent.

    callen said he/she does not fear the criminal, but instead does fear the stickers on a truck and law abiding citizens carrying inanimate objects.

    And we know, of course, that opinionated stickers are a greater threat to public safety over those who have actual intent on creating mayhem.

    I do fear having dudes like this becoming my security force. I would much rather the crook have the gun, rob everyone and leave then there being a gun battle. Counter point to my position could include robbers just stop robbing but don't think that will happen. Robbers would just adapt to being even more violent and have even more itchy trigger fingers.

    And let's just pretend robbers would just stop, well now you have all these macho wanna be tough guys with ever increasing one up man ship in side armor walking around being tough. Oh add some good ole beer, pretty woman and .......let alone mental illness and general lack of manners.

    So yes I feel much better with just the crooks having guns and allowing the police and technology get the bad guys off the street.

    As it's done in the rest of civilized western world.
    Except your plan goes to shit when the robbery turns into a mass execution like it has so many times before.

    Police don't prevent crime, police respond to crimes in progress.

    I've often wondered what's it's like to live in a fairy tale as many here do.
    Post edited by unsung on
  • I've often wondered what it's like to live in consistent fear with paranoia.
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  • going out on a limb, you'd be full of fear and paranoid. just a guess.
    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    edited June 2014

    going out on a limb, you'd be full of fear and paranoid. just a guess.

    I'm not following you.

    How have you crawled out on that thin branch?

    * Edit: I follow you now. You were being a smartass! :D
    Post edited by Thirty Bills Unpaid on
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,025
    unsung said:

    callen said:

    unsung said:

    You are missing the point. To use any of the three requires intent.

    callen said he/she does not fear the criminal, but instead does fear the stickers on a truck and law abiding citizens carrying inanimate objects.

    And we know, of course, that opinionated stickers are a greater threat to public safety over those who have actual intent on creating mayhem.

    I do fear having dudes like this becoming my security force. I would much rather the crook have the gun, rob everyone and leave then there being a gun battle. Counter point to my position could include robbers just stop robbing but don't think that will happen. Robbers would just adapt to being even more violent and have even more itchy trigger fingers.

    And let's just pretend robbers would just stop, well now you have all these macho wanna be tough guys with ever increasing one up man ship in side armor walking around being tough. Oh add some good ole beer, pretty woman and .......let alone mental illness and general lack of manners.

    So yes I feel much better with just the crooks having guns and allowing the police and technology get the bad guys off the street.

    As it's done in the rest of civilized western world.
    Except your plan goes to shit when the robbery turns into a mass execution like it has so many times before.

    Police don't prevent crime, police respond to crimes in progress.

    I've often wondered what's it's like to live in a fairy tale as many here do.
    I've often wondered what's it's like to live in complete fear as you do.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Haha. I don't fear, I am prepared.
  • So when you swim in the ocean do you take a spear gun with you to prepare yourself for a shark attack?
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    I don't go into the ocean, just like I don't swim in the ghetto.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,445
    unsung said:

    You are missing the point. To use any of the three requires intent.

    callen said he/she does not fear the criminal, but instead does fear the stickers on a truck and law abiding citizens carrying inanimate objects.

    And we know, of course, that opinionated stickers are a greater threat to public safety over those who have actual intent on creating mayhem.

    You are hurting your own argument. How many fights do people get in at a daily basis...school....YMCA....bar....

    Now, give them all guns and see what happens.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    The mythical Wild West that every anti said would happen when concealed carry started happening.

    Except it never turned out that way.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    unsung said:

    The mythical Wild West that every anti said would happen when concealed carry started happening.

    Except it never turned out that way.

    That's funny, I never thought of the place where I was born and have spent most of my years as mythical. Not sure where you're going with this one, unsung.

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