Brianlux, so your all encompassing answer is to end violence? Great answer. You my friend have the solutions to the issues you speak up against. A reply like that means I can't even argue that knives kill more people a year in the United States than guns do. You my friend, superiorly educated.
Which town would I prefer to visit? Well let's see, seeing as there ain't been much hanging going on, and the heart of gold country sounds super cliche, I'd actually want to check out hangtown. That's my honest answer, a place like hangtown sounds like it's got some history, a place like heart of gold country sounds like it probably has more more gift shops than bathrooms.
I also like the fact that you all completely ignore the fact that brianlux mentions the citizens would get scared, and the local government made a change to the shoot outs. They limited them. I say bravo, good job local government. But don't use that idea that all people must feel the same, and it should be banned nation wide. What one community thinks isn't necessarily the same as another community.
Also, just just because someone disagrees with your view, doesn't mean they are ignorant or uneducated. Underlining thoughts like these are half the reasons most of the problems you posted exist. Once someone feels they are superior, it causes problems for the ones they feel are inferior.
hmmmm.
Hmm what? I pointed out that someone sounds misinformed and should learn about the laws of open carry that they are auguring about are? And pointed that because someone disagrees doesn't make them inferior?
That's a major hmmm. Great input to the conversation muscalleto!
Brianlux, you've not answered my question, but I did answer yours. Should I use an arrow pointing up followed by "lol" to deflect and not address anything? Just curious because that was a very enlightening response.
Brianlux, you've not answered my question, but I did answer yours. Should I use an arrow pointing up followed by "lol" to deflect and not address anything? Just curious because that was a very enlightening response.
Well man, I'm just not very enlightened this evening- what can I say?
You've asked several question but I'm assuming you want an answer- with regard to the topic of "Just one more firearms thread"- to this one:
"You say it's time for a change, can I ask you what the change is that it's time for?"
I would suggest that we change the laws so that assault weapons are banned for all but military and special forces use and make more difficult the ownership of firearms in general. I'm sure I've said these things already.
Another question you asked is: "Brianlux, so your all encompassing answer is to end violence?"
The answer to that is, no. I never said that. Where did you get that.
Another slew of question you threw out:
"I would also like to know, for the sake of it's not to much to ask for, what is your solution to each of the problems you posted?"
End war and make peace, End overtaxing the earth's resources and begin cleaning up the land air and water, End violence and begin to disarm use diplomacy to settle differences End bigotry, racism, sexism and homophobia and begin championing diversity, End violence toward women and begin to treat women with respect, End hunger and homelessness and begin to insure everyone is fed and sheltered, End cruelty to animals and begin to respect their rights as fellow creatures, End bullying and teach kids to be tolerant, End greed and be thankful for what we have and give more to others and End ignorance and become educated.
I'd need a book's worth of space to do justice to addressing my thoughts on solving all of these problems. I won't do that here. Basically- very basically- it comes down to things like increased education, understanding, generosity, compassion, cooperation, consideration, diplomacy, using common sense, constraining our unchecked urges and showing more concern for life and the world that sustains us and listening more to analog love songs. Especially the latter.
"An actual realist viable option for each problem?"
Maybe I should write that book after all. Stay tuned.
"Or do you like to sit back, point out and disagree with issues you see and offer no actual feasible solution?"
Getting a bit testy, aren't we? No, I don't just sit around and spout off. If you've read even a small percentage of my post over the years you would know I've frequently offered or suggested solutions and ideas- and learned just as many from others here. No, I don't come here to just spout off- I come here to learn and disseminate what ever it is I've learned that might be useful or make a little difference. If I'm not mistaken, that is one of the main reasons why we have A Moving Train.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
To quote you in another thread "Actually, I agree that "there are no bad guns only bad gun owners". I know some very responsible gun owners. My issue with guns is not the guns, it's with many of the people who have them and what they do with them and the fact that people can acquire assault weapons and that guns are too easy to obtain in most states. Sorry my friend, I'm just not feeling that conflicted."
So you are okay with knowing the people who have guns, but not okay with those that you don't? Hypocrisy. Also you never defined what an assault weapon is. Did you look at the link I posted earlier? The one from Stanford that shows the history and facts of assault weapons?
Brianlux, it's all good. I've followed and agreed with you on many issues before and also disagreed. This is nothing personal, you're a good dude in my book.
@blux, what's the context in which those people were hung back in the day. if it was a bunch of white folks hanging black people for being black, then I would say yeah 86 that nickname. but if it was the town coming together to defend themselves against some gang of murderers and bank robbers terrorizing the town, then I think I would keep hangtown. it provides a neat history.
how do we end violence? make sure anyone and everyone has access to clean water, good food, good medical care, good education and central air.
if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
The context of my question was based on the thread we posting in. So can I ask what it's time to change about firearms?
Also, just just because someone disagrees with your view, doesn't mean they are ignorant or uneducated. Underlining thoughts like these are half the reasons most of the problems you posted exist. Once someone feels they are superior, it causes problems for the ones they feel are inferior.
I have very many close friends that have guns. They are intelligent and respect their point of view as I do on this board. With that said I see correlation of some gun owners with red neck bigots due to what I see everyday. Been to gun show. See my neighbors with NoBoma, impeach, Rebel flag and ak 47 stickers. Look at group protesting to open carry.
Arms race? Ah, the great wild west shootout that the anti's claim will always happen but never does.
Right agree can debate right and wrong but laws have no validity so when you asked were they doing something illegal, not relevant.
My opinion is that if the US suddenly went to all open carry it would suck big time. You disagree? Would you support?
Laws have no validity? What are you talking about? Of course laws have everything to do with this.
Ok, I'll re-phrase differently...
Were they acting in an unlawful manner? Or is this just a case of hurt feelings?
Be honest.
No your missing my point. Something being a law means squat if it's an unjust or bad law. Think of your position with cattle rancher and federal law.
Am curious are you okay with folks openly carrying?
No hurt feelings ever from anything on this board and do it for fun. As to subjects good way to discuss rational behind our actions and behavior.
Can you please explain what you mean by being okay with folks "open carrying" means? Are you expressing your preconceived notion of what open carry is or have you actually looked into each state and community that allows open carry with limitations? Or do you think open carry is just a nationwide allowance?
Arms race? Ah, the great wild west shootout that the anti's claim will always happen but never does.
Right agree can debate right and wrong but laws have no validity so when you asked were they doing something illegal, not relevant.
My opinion is that if the US suddenly went to all open carry it would suck big time. You disagree? Would you support?
Laws have no validity? What are you talking about? Of course laws have everything to do with this.
Ok, I'll re-phrase differently...
Were they acting in an unlawful manner? Or is this just a case of hurt feelings?
Be honest.
No your missing my point. Something being a law means squat if it's an unjust or bad law. Think of your position with cattle rancher and federal law.
Am curious are you okay with folks openly carrying?
No hurt feelings ever from anything on this board and do it for fun. As to subjects good way to discuss rational behind our actions and behavior.
Can you please explain what you mean by being okay with folks "open carrying" means? Are you expressing your preconceived notion of what open carry is or have you actually looked into each state and community that allows open carry with limitations? Or do you think open carry is just a nationwide allowance?
Ok allow me to elaborate
So would y'all gun proponents be okay if tomorrow all of the us went to full open carry?
Also, just just because someone disagrees with your view, doesn't mean they are ignorant or uneducated. Underlining thoughts like these are half the reasons most of the problems you posted exist. Once someone feels they are superior, it causes problems for the ones they feel are inferior.
hmmmm.
Hmm what? I pointed out that someone sounds misinformed and should learn about the laws of open carry that they are auguring about are? And pointed that because someone disagrees doesn't make them inferior?
That's a major hmmm. Great input to the conversation muscalleto!
The hmmm was just me wondering if you were throwing back a little too much wine again last night. Just that and the glaring hypocrisy in those two posts. Go back and read all your "great input!" why don't you.
Arms race? Ah, the great wild west shootout that the anti's claim will always happen but never does.
Right agree can debate right and wrong but laws have no validity so when you asked were they doing something illegal, not relevant.
My opinion is that if the US suddenly went to all open carry it would suck big time. You disagree? Would you support?
Laws have no validity? What are you talking about? Of course laws have everything to do with this.
Ok, I'll re-phrase differently...
Were they acting in an unlawful manner? Or is this just a case of hurt feelings?
Be honest.
No your missing my point. Something being a law means squat if it's an unjust or bad law. Think of your position with cattle rancher and federal law.
Am curious are you okay with folks openly carrying?
No hurt feelings ever from anything on this board and do it for fun. As to subjects good way to discuss rational behind our actions and behavior.
Can you please explain what you mean by being okay with folks "open carrying" means? Are you expressing your preconceived notion of what open carry is or have you actually looked into each state and community that allows open carry with limitations? Or do you think open carry is just a nationwide allowance?
Ok allow me to elaborate
So would y'all gun proponents be okay if tomorrow all of the us went to full open carry?
Okay again, what is open carry? Are you familier with the states that allow it and the restrictions are in place? I live in an open carry state and I have no issue with it. I am a-o-k with open carry.
Also, just just because someone disagrees with your view, doesn't mean they are ignorant or uneducated. Underlining thoughts like these are half the reasons most of the problems you posted exist. Once someone feels they are superior, it causes problems for the ones they feel are inferior.
hmmmm.
Hmm what? I pointed out that someone sounds misinformed and should learn about the laws of open carry that they are auguring about are? And pointed that because someone disagrees doesn't make them inferior?
That's a major hmmm. Great input to the conversation muscalleto!
The hmmm was just me wondering if you were throwing back a little too much wine again last night. Just that and the glaring hypocrisy in those two posts. Go back and read all your "great input!" why don't you.
Still not seeing any hypocrisy at all. And I like the personal jab of the red wine. Very classy. But can you please explain the hypocrisy in saying someone sounds misinformed and encouraging them to learn facts and stating that half the worlds problems are because some people feel they are more educated and superior?
No hypocrisy at all. I pointed out that someone is coming across as misinformed. I did not belittle or be negative. Unlike your great great response. And I told you great input! You still have such great input!
Arms race? Ah, the great wild west shootout that the anti's claim will always happen but never does.
Right agree can debate right and wrong but laws have no validity so when you asked were they doing something illegal, not relevant.
My opinion is that if the US suddenly went to all open carry it would suck big time. You disagree? Would you support?
Laws have no validity? What are you talking about? Of course laws have everything to do with this.
Ok, I'll re-phrase differently...
Were they acting in an unlawful manner? Or is this just a case of hurt feelings?
Be honest.
No your missing my point. Something being a law means squat if it's an unjust or bad law. Think of your position with cattle rancher and federal law.
Am curious are you okay with folks openly carrying?
No hurt feelings ever from anything on this board and do it for fun. As to subjects good way to discuss rational behind our actions and behavior.
Can you please explain what you mean by being okay with folks "open carrying" means? Are you expressing your preconceived notion of what open carry is or have you actually looked into each state and community that allows open carry with limitations? Or do you think open carry is just a nationwide allowance?
Ok allow me to elaborate
So would y'all gun proponents be okay if tomorrow all of the us went to full open carry?
Okay again, what is open carry? Are you familier with the states that allow it and the restrictions are in place? I live in an open carry state and I have no issue with it. I am a-o-k with open carry.
Having openly displayed sidearm in holster. But do you think also okay to walk around with assault rifle? Or how about in gun rack in back of truck on back glass?
Be honest, your good with gang member strutting around with guns? Now they can if never convicted right. Anyone? You think this would make is a better society? Really??
Arms race? Ah, the great wild west shootout that the anti's claim will always happen but never does.
Right agree can debate right and wrong but laws have no validity so when you asked were they doing something illegal, not relevant.
My opinion is that if the US suddenly went to all open carry it would suck big time. You disagree? Would you support?
Laws have no validity? What are you talking about? Of course laws have everything to do with this.
Ok, I'll re-phrase differently...
Were they acting in an unlawful manner? Or is this just a case of hurt feelings?
Be honest.
No your missing my point. Something being a law means squat if it's an unjust or bad law. Think of your position with cattle rancher and federal law.
Am curious are you okay with folks openly carrying?
No hurt feelings ever from anything on this board and do it for fun. As to subjects good way to discuss rational behind our actions and behavior.
Can you please explain what you mean by being okay with folks "open carrying" means? Are you expressing your preconceived notion of what open carry is or have you actually looked into each state and community that allows open carry with limitations? Or do you think open carry is just a nationwide allowance?
Ok allow me to elaborate
So would y'all gun proponents be okay if tomorrow all of the us went to full open carry?
Okay again, what is open carry? Are you familier with the states that allow it and the restrictions are in place? I live in an open carry state and I have no issue with it. I am a-o-k with open carry.
Having openly displayed sidearm in holster. But do you think also okay to walk around with assault rifle? Or how about in gun rack in back of truck on back glass?
Be honest, your good with gang member strutting around with guns? Now they can if never convicted right. Anyone? You think this would make is a better society? Really??
You are dismissing the fact I live in an open carry state. Holsters and all. An assault riffle is no different than a shotgun or a handgun by the way, check the functionality of the gun.. And am I supposed to now label a group of people and say hey, based on your looks you can't own a gun, because I think you are in a gang? Now you want to profile to own a gun, but are probably against any other type of profiling. Because only when it's convenient for you it's okay to profile? How about for that one we trade off, I'll register my gun as long as anyone who wants to vote registers? You try and paint this scary picture of CC or open carry, but you fail to realize that maybe some of us live in an open carry state. Last time I looked out my window it's not the Wild West.
Okay with open carry? Everybody walking around with a handgun on their hip? Yikes.
If that ever becomes the case... stop building a wall between you and Mexico. Instead, build it between you and Canada... and stay in there.
Actually we aren't building a wall, or a fence. That's just wrong to exclude people coming into the USA. Don't you know that immigration control is wrong!?
Okay with open carry? Everybody walking around with a handgun on their hip? Yikes.
If that ever becomes the case... stop building a wall between you and Mexico. Instead, build it between you and Canada... and stay in there.
Actually we aren't building a wall, or a fence. That's just wrong to exclude people coming into the USA. Don't you know that immigration control is wrong!?
If only your First Nations people had such foresight, eh?
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Hmm what? I pointed out that someone sounds misinformed and should learn about the laws of open carry that they are auguring about are? And pointed that because someone disagrees doesn't make them inferior?
That's a major hmmm. Great input to the conversation muscalleto!
You've asked several question but I'm assuming you want an answer- with regard to the topic of "Just one more firearms thread"- to this one:
"You say it's time for a change, can I ask you what the change is that it's time for?"
I would suggest that we change the laws so that assault weapons are banned for all but military and special forces use and make more difficult the ownership of firearms in general. I'm sure I've said these things already.
Another question you asked is: "Brianlux, so your all encompassing answer is to end violence?"
The answer to that is, no. I never said that. Where did you get that.
Another slew of question you threw out:
"I would also like to know, for the sake of it's not to much to ask for, what is your solution to each of the problems you posted?"
End war and make peace,
End overtaxing the earth's resources and begin cleaning up the land air and water,
End violence and begin to disarm use diplomacy to settle differences
End bigotry, racism, sexism and homophobia and begin championing diversity,
End violence toward women and begin to treat women with respect,
End hunger and homelessness and begin to insure everyone is fed and sheltered,
End cruelty to animals and begin to respect their rights as fellow creatures,
End bullying and teach kids to be tolerant,
End greed and be thankful for what we have and give more to others and
End ignorance and become educated.
I'd need a book's worth of space to do justice to addressing my thoughts on solving all of these problems. I won't do that here. Basically- very basically- it comes down to things like increased education, understanding, generosity, compassion, cooperation, consideration, diplomacy, using common sense, constraining our unchecked urges and showing more concern for life and the world that sustains us and listening more to analog love songs. Especially the latter.
"An actual realist viable option for each problem?"
Maybe I should write that book after all. Stay tuned.
"Or do you like to sit back, point out and disagree with issues you see and offer no actual feasible solution?"
Getting a bit testy, aren't we? No, I don't just sit around and spout off. If you've read even a small percentage of my post over the years you would know I've frequently offered or suggested solutions and ideas- and learned just as many from others here. No, I don't come here to just spout off- I come here to learn and disseminate what ever it is I've learned that might be useful or make a little difference. If I'm not mistaken, that is one of the main reasons why we have A Moving Train.
To quote you in another thread "Actually, I agree that "there are no bad guns only bad gun owners". I know some very responsible gun owners. My issue with guns is not the guns, it's with many of the people who have them and what they do with them and the fact that people can acquire assault weapons and that guns are too easy to obtain in most states. Sorry my friend, I'm just not feeling that conflicted."
So you are okay with knowing the people who have guns, but not okay with those that you don't? Hypocrisy. Also you never defined what an assault weapon is. Did you look at the link I posted earlier? The one from Stanford that shows the history and facts of assault weapons?
Am curious are you okay with folks openly carrying?
No hurt feelings ever from anything on this board and do it for fun. As to subjects good way to discuss rational behind our actions and behavior.
how do we end violence? make sure anyone and everyone has access to clean water, good food, good medical care, good education and central air.
So would y'all gun proponents be okay if tomorrow all of the us went to full open carry?
Okay again, what is open carry? Are you familier with the states that allow it and the restrictions are in place? I live in an open carry state and I have no issue with it. I am a-o-k with open carry.
No hypocrisy at all. I pointed out that someone is coming across as misinformed. I did not belittle or be negative. Unlike your great great response. And I told you great input! You still have such great input!
I am 100% ok with open carry.
Be honest, your good with gang member strutting around with guns? Now they can if never convicted right. Anyone? You think this would make is a better society? Really??
If that ever becomes the case... stop building a wall between you and Mexico. Instead, build it between you and Canada... and stay in there.
I've never assaulted anyone, can govt say the same?