3 year-old's First Show Tonight

mookieblalock

JH6056 wrote:

StevieG wrote:

Maybe after the show you guys could hit up a strip club, get him a lapdance or a private show in the champagne room. When you get home, unwind with a spliff and chat about the show.

I think forced sterilisation would be a good option for you, what a fucking mook!!

You deserve to have Children's Aid/Child Services called.

As someone who has worked as a Supervisor for child protective services for years... And also as the previous poster who took her 1st kid to Coachella at 18 months, I know a lot about child welfare and about taking kids to shows. Please do tell me, what in the world is it about taking a 3 year old to 3 or 4 shows a year that actually amounts to a call to CPS? As long as the child is ok, it's not a regular occurrence, the child has ear protection, and the parents are watching their child, keeping them safe and getting them anything they need, what about this scenario amounts to child abuse or neglect in your opinion?

Seriously, for all you "Your a horrible parent!" posters, if you really think this is so bad, look up your local child welfare agency. Find a non-emergency number and call them. Tell them you have a general question about whether taking a 3 yr old to a rock concert with ear protection is considered abuse or neglect. Report back with what they say, and for anyone who says they said yes, say what city/town/county you called. I've worked for CPS in 3 states and without some other disturbing details (Dad was smoking weed, mom let the kid wander off, the kid was crying and screaming and the parents ignored them, etc) there would be nothing about this that we would screen in (send to the Investigations unit).

So what exactly do you think fits the definition of abuse and neglect?

As a psychologist with years of experience as a mandated reporter I know first hand how idiotic some operators at CPS can be an have often questioned their training over the years. I could list pages of examples of this. Just because you worked for CPS doesn't mean you're right. As someone with expertise in child development I have to hope someone working in an entry level position can make the appropriate affirmation to investigate the concern.

You're taking your 18 month old to rock concerts? Awesome. Good to know we have such highly qualified people working for CPS.

oysterjar

Cosmo wrote:

I don't know why everyone's bitching about this... the kid is 3 and he knows what he likes.
Like my 4 year old loves to go to the strip clubs with me. I mean, what little kids doesn't like giant boobs, right? And it's a great way to introduce him to great classic band like AC/DC and Van Halen because they always play 'Shook Me All Night Long' an 'Hot For Teacher' about 20 times a night.
I'm thinking of taking him to the 'Lamb Of God' gig out in the desert next Summer because it's never too early to introduce him to the 'Wall of Death'.
I don't know why eveyone else is having a tizzy fit... nothing screams Rock And Roll like an OshKosh jumper that says, 'Rock The Fuck OUT!' on it.

Funniest post of this thread

ComeToTX

As many have said in different ways...there isn't a three yearl old in the world that enjoys sitting or standing in one place for 3 hours. Get a sitter.

rolenrock

Please find and read the posts about people bringing their infants and toddlers to the Wrigley Pre show merch waiting extravaganza.

There was a guy behind me(at wrigley merch lines outside) that had two babies in a stroller who were crying for 3 hours straight.. he would just tell them to shut up and stop crying.. THAT is abuse. Especially on a hot day like that... wow.

I don't think this case of bringing a willing and able kid to a show who clearly knows what is going on , is abuse. If the kid starts crying about the noise and standing, and the parent doesnt take action.. then that is when you can judge; not before.

Soybeans

snipes824 wrote:

knowyourrights wrote:

Glad I didnt listen to most here. My son went and had a great time! In fact, it was incredibly positive, from entering the venue, using bathroom & concessions, & most of all enjoying the show at our seats. I was very impressed with how receptive everyone was & interacted with my son. Glad most here don't represent most Pearl Jan fans.

Chances this is a complete lie? 70%.

So, snipes824, what now after my re-cap?

whofeelslikeadrank

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josevolution

That's buffalo for you i don't expect to see many 3yr olds in BRKLYN on Friday & Saturday night ...

josevolution

bicyclejoe wrote:

eddiec wrote:

Pearl Jam ain't The Grateful Dead.

Yeah, but they're getting there.

No shit everyone ages the only difference is PEARL FUCKING JAM is getting better with age just like fine wine ...

PRL1JAM

Cosmo wrote:

I don't know why everyone's bitching about this... the kid is 3 and he knows what he likes.
Like my 4 year old loves to go to the strip clubs with me. I mean, what little kids doesn't like giant boobs, right? And it's a great way to introduce him to great classic band like AC/DC and Van Halen because they always play 'Shook Me All Night Long' an 'Hot For Teacher' about 20 times a night.
I'm thinking of taking him to the 'Lamb Of God' gig out in the desert next Summer because it's never too early to introduce him to the 'Wall of Death'.
I don't know why eveyone else is having a tizzy fit... nothing screams Rock And Roll like an OshKosh jumper that says, 'Rock The Fuck OUT!' on it.

:thumbup:

backseatLover12

Merkin Baller wrote:

In whose best interest is a parent acting when they take a child under 10 to a concert like this?

Seriously, who are you indulging here?

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!

Another thing that hasn't been talked about here (I think), is the fact that some parents bring their kids to gain attention from Eddie. We know these folks were there at the EV solo shows, who's to say they're not trying the same at PJ shows? Let's not forget those who use their kids to get some sort of recognition from the singer. I believe some parent had a terrible experience with Pete Townsend yelling at him who attempted to get his attention with his kid.

Empty Glass

My 5 year old cried and bitched all night tonight because his brother dropped 70 on him in Xbox college football. You don't want him scoring that much, then stop him. Quit your damn crying.

Thank God neither one of those two are going to the show with me next week

knowyourrights

Just want to provide an update on my child. 2 days post show and he has not shown any signs of post-traumatic stress (see below). He has only expressed how much fun it was to family and friends with specific details about the show- telling that they played Pendulum first, along wtih MYM, DTE, Yellow Moon...Wait! I'm being somewhat dishonest...He has experienced some slight disappointment in not getting a tambourine from Eddie and for RITFW, Unthought Known, and Black not being played. But, he's handling this disappointment well, saying, "maybe next time!"

Thanks to all who have PM'd me and posted positive/supportive messages! It means MUCH more than the baseless negativity!

One of the following related to traumatic events:
•persistent avoidance of activities, places, or physical reminders
•people, conversations, or interpersonal situations that arouse recollections
•diminished interest or participation in significant activities such as play
•socially withdrawn behavior
•persistent reduction in expression of positive emotions

Two or more of the following:
•irritable, angry, or aggressive behavior, including extreme temper tantrums
•hypervigilance
•exaggerated startle response
•problems with concentration
•difficulty falling or staying asleep or restless sleep

shortstack

where were your seats?

JH6056

DewieCox wrote:

JH6056 wrote:

Agreed about CPS. Interesting though what you say about "not the safest place for family entertainment". That's clearly true, but just like everything in life it's about looking realistically at the risks. Much of my comfort in taking my kids to shows comes from a couple of prior decades of going to shows without kids. As a woman, I dislike at shows all the same things I'd want to protect my kids from: excessive noise (I always have earplugs), open drug use (which, after 1,000+ shows (no not exaggerating) I can honestly say I've only seen in the open like 5 times beyond weed smoke, and since I had kids I rarely am in a bldg where smoking is allowed anyway); belligerent obnoxious people (some high/drunk, some not); and fighting. I have easily been able to avoid/ move away from al of those when encountered, but more importantly. I don't encounter them often at all. Never been thrown up on or peed on, other than my kids. So if that's been my experience 97% of the time, and the other3% I've been able to ditch the annoying people and resume enjoyment of the show, where is it even likely at all anything unsafe or bad will happen with my kids?

I appreciate your opinion, just trying to get to the root of what you view as so unsafe about it?

Next time you go to a show, stop and buy a lotto ticket, b/c you've been excessively lucky when it comes to attending shows.

My experience at shows reads pretty much the opposite
Noise is a gimme.
Always clouds of weed smoke, and I almost always see a person or 10 that looks completely out of it, clearly beyond stoned and that's just the obvious people.
I higher concentration of belligerent/wanna be badasses than at about any other place I'd go, except my small town hick bar.
I haven't been peed on or puked on, but heard enough stories that I feel like I have and to realize there's a chance of it happening.

Outdoor show where you can stay away from just about anybody else, reasonable. Indoor arena show where all that concentrated into one building with 20000 other people. Seems kinda iffy.

After reading a bunch of stories about how rowdy football games get, I wouldn't take my kids to that either.

You know, I hear what you're saying, and I might believe I have just been lucky... but the fact that I'm up to close to 1,200 shows now (I śtopped counting at 1,000 and that was years ago) tells me it's not just luck. Now it may very well have to do with WHICH rock concerts I see: every one from Van Halen and the Clash and the Stones baçk in the day to PJ, REM, Radiohead, Airborne Toxic Event and the Frames today ALL have relatively respectful audiences, with total idiots as the exception, not at all the rule. I've met so many amazing people at shows, and truly few jerks.

1,200 shows with only maybe 2 or 3 really crappy experiences (and none of then dangerous, just annoying) is pretty good odds I'd say

catefrances

bicyclejoe wrote:

I'd equate a Pearl Jam concert to an R-rated movie. It's an adult experience. I think there's an age when the child has shown a certain maturity and proven they can go with an adult. My daughter has been wanting to go to a Pearl Jam show for years, but this is the first time I'm taking her, when she's going on 15.
I just can't get my head around the parenting decision or the perceived benefits of taking a child under 12.

when my now 14 year old was 7 she asked to see JET.. so I took her. it was incredibly loud and she lasted less than a handful of songs. no biggie.. however the ONLY reason I took her was cause SHE asked.

JH6056

badbrains wrote:

JH5066, chill the fuck out you fucken loud mouth. I made a statement about you being an idiot for taking your "baby" "child" whatever the case is and I STAND by it. Go change some diapers and buy some tampoons mr/mrs super sensitive. I give the bad brains a bad name or something to matter you said??? Well shit, you give parents a bad name. And I raised my sis since she's been a child and guess what loud mouth, I took her to her first concert at the age of 16 (the boss). And in nov she'll be going to see paramore at MSG at the age of 17. Does it make me a better parent/guardian then you, ABSOFUCKENLUTELY! You want to continue this conversation, I'll be at both Brooklyn and both Philly shows WITHOUT my sister.

A good deal of your post is unintelligible, but from what little I can make out I gather you didn't like my response to you? I'm especially intrigued by "tampoons" - is that like a cross between a tampon and a typhoon, and if so, what the heck do you do with it after you buy it?

As for continuing this conversation, judging by the hostility of your response, I'm guessing the reason you disapprove of people taking young kids to shows so strongly is that you know how YOU act when you're hyped up, so rain check on meeting up. But I do sincerely hope you have a great time, and I mean that. Just don't do it by cursing out some parent there with their kid who has no idea why you are freaking out at them. (I'll be in Philly but not with the kids, so if you do yell at someone with kids it won't be me... Not at that show, anyway.) Enjoy!

JH6056

Double post

JH6056

mookieblalock wrote:

JH6056 wrote:

StevieG wrote:

Maybe after the show you guys could hit up a strip club, get him a lapdance or a private show in the champagne room. When you get home, unwind with a spliff and chat about the show.

I think forced sterilisation would be a good option for you, what a fucking mook!!

You deserve to have Children's Aid/Child Services called.

As someone who has worked as a Supervisor for child protective services for years... And also as the previous poster who took her 1st kid to Coachella at 18 months, I know a lot about child welfare and about taking kids to shows. Please do tell me, what in the world is it about taking a 3 year old to 3 or 4 shows a year that actually amounts to a call to CPS? As long as the child is ok, it's not a regular occurrence, the child has ear protection, and the parents are watching their child, keeping them safe and getting them anything they need, what about this scenario amounts to child abuse or neglect in your opinion?

Seriously, for all you "Your a horrible parent!" posters, if you really think this is so bad, look up your local child welfare agency. Find a non-emergency number and call them. Tell them you have a general question about whether taking a 3 yr old to a rock concert with ear protection is considered abuse or neglect. Report back with what they say, and for anyone who says they said yes, say what city/town/county you called. I've worked for CPS in 3 states and without some other disturbing details (Dad was smoking weed, mom let the kid wander off, the kid was crying and screaming and the parents ignored them, etc) there would be nothing about this that we would screen in (send to the Investigations unit).

So what exactly do you think fits the definition of abuse and neglect?

As a psychologist with years of experience as a mandated reporter I know first hand how idiotic some operators at CPS can be an have often questioned their training over the years. I could list pages of examples of this. Just because you worked for CPS doesn't mean you're right. As someone with expertise in child development I have to hope someone working in an entry level position can make the appropriate affirmation to investigate the concern.

You're taking your 18 month old to rock concerts? Awesome. Good to know we have such highly qualified people working for CPS.

FINALLY we have another professional to weigh in: an experienced psychologist with years of mandated reporter experience! Let's just cut through your petty insults and get to the point: as an experienced mandated reporter, what about the scenario originally presented, if called in to the hotline (3yr old at PJ show, with ear protection, and no other obvious negative factors like parental drug use or leaving the kid alone in the seats) meets the threshold definition for either abuse or neglect? On what basis would you screen it in, and what would your actual "highly qualified entry level person" put down in writing as the "appropriate affirmation to investigate the concern"? And last, just to make sure you're not making anything up, what jurisdiction's child welfare code are you using as your standard?

JH6056

JH6056 wrote:

mookieblalock wrote:

JH6056 wrote:

As someone who has worked as a Supervisor for child protective services for years... And also as the previous poster who took her 1st kid to Coachella at 18 months, I know a lot about child welfare and about taking kids to shows. Please do tell me, what in the world is it about taking a 3 year old to 3 or 4 shows a year that actually amounts to a call to CPS? As long as the child is ok, it's not a regular occurrence, the child has ear protection, and the parents are watching their child, keeping them safe and getting them anything they need, what about this scenario amounts to child abuse or neglect in your opinion?

Seriously, for all you "Your a horrible parent!" posters, if you really think this is so bad, look up your local child welfare agency. Find a non-emergency number and call them. Tell them you have a general question about whether taking a 3 yr old to a rock concert with ear protection is considered abuse or neglect. Report back with what they say, and for anyone who says they said yes, say what city/town/county you called. I've worked for CPS in 3 states and without some other disturbing details (Dad was smoking weed, mom let the kid wander off, the kid was crying and screaming and the parents ignored them, etc) there would be nothing about this that we would screen in (send to the Investigations unit).

So what exactly do you think fits the definition of abuse and neglect?

As a psychologist with years of experience as a mandated reporter I know first hand how idiotic some operators at CPS can be an have often questioned their training over the years. I could list pages of examples of this. Just because you worked for CPS doesn't mean you're right. As someone with expertise in child development I have to hope someone working in an entry level position can make the appropriate affirmation to investigate the concern.

You're taking your 18 month old to rock concerts? Awesome. Good to know we have such highly qualified people working for CPS.

FINALLY we have another professional to weigh in: an experienced psychologist with years of mandated reporter experience! Let's just cut through your petty insults and get to the point: as an experienced mandated reporter, what about the scenario originally presented, if called in to the hotline (3yr old at PJ show, with ear protection, and no other obvious negative factors like parental drug use or leaving the kid alone in the seats) meets the threshold definition for either abuse or neglect? On what basis would you screen it in, and what would your actual "highly qualified entry level person" put down in writing as the "appropriate affirmation to investigate the concern"? And last, just to make sure you're not making anything up, what jurisdiction's child welfare code are you using as your standard?

Looking forward to that expert answer on this... and it probably goes without saying that no response = you know it doesn't meet the definition. But you knew that, didn't you...

jrnyc

Any adult with a single ounce of common sense knows taking a 3 year old to a rock concert is beyond insane. I don't care what rationalizations anyone makes or what did or didn't happen to your kid that night, it still is a horrendous idea.

Also, get over your narcissistic self, your kid didn't want to go the show, you wanted your kid to go to the show.

BTW, when can we expect your kid to post a review of the show?