Dear Ed, There is a such thing as a Responsible Gun Owner...

fugawzi

Wow. Nevermind the fact that this thread belongs in the moving train forum. Or that telling Ed you'll be in the Pit almost sounds like a threat. This is just a ridiculous post I'm sorry. No personal attacks intended but I just don't understand how anyone who calls themselves "responsible" can say they are against common sense gun control measures.

Ed was referring to the fact that there's a 90% consensus in this country that is for expanded background checks on gun sales, but that there can't be any legislation supporting it due to an obstructionist faction (NRA) in our political system, so that is very frustrating. Ed is RIGHT and roughly 90% of people in this country agree with him, including myself. Anyone who takes this as a personal attack against them as a "responsible" gun owner is just plain wrong and only contributing to the divisive tactics employed by the gun nuts in this country. And anyone who denies that we as a country have a gun problem, or that we ARE the gun country is WRONG.

One of my best friends was directly affected by gun violence. His mother in law was murdered in cold blood simply because she was Jewish. She was the first of 5 people killed by a racially motivated scumbag who went on a killing spree with a gun. This was 13 years ago. Imagine the number of people killed by gun violence since then.

I detest politicians who have no backbone, cave to the NRA and allow this obscene epidemic to continue. That's who Ed was referring to so stop inserting yourself and acting like some sort of victim. I DO wish bad things on them there's no almost about it. Thank god people like Ed have the balls to speak up about shit like this, obviously it needs said.

acharding

Oh Lordy....I just hope he doesn't talk about this in Texas!! I'm all for spirited debate, just not when I am in a crowd of 20,000

Kathi

brianlux wrote:

It's an American disaster. I just recently visited here with a good friend from Germany. He heard neighbors not too far from my house target practicing (a habit that totally unnerves me and my cat) and could believe it when I told him a) how many American's own guns, b) that they are actually allowed to freely shoot them any time (outside city limits) and c) how easy they are to obtain here. Not so in Germany- none of this nonsense goes on there.

And please spare me the "So why don't you move to Germany?" thing.

agreed. this whole gun thing is completely beyond anyone not from the US it seems. a lot of people actually ask me if I'm not afraid to go to the US cause every idiot can get a gun there - which is an overreaction of course, but it shows how alien this gun deal is to the rest of the world.

adamdude

american's gun culture is disgusting. i'm glad i don't live there. eddie's totally right.

ForceofNature101

adamdude wrote:

american's gun culture is disgusting. i'm glad i don't live there. eddie's totally right.

As someone who lives in California thankfully where I live - well at least in the large part of the areas all around me - people are generally down to earth and reasonable about the whole gun culture thing, although it is indeed a nationwide issue. Ed was right on this one

Although let me just say that every time I have been down South, not to stereotype or put down the people who live there, but the gun culture (and just a general cultural mindset) is a lot different... let's just say I am happy out in Cali

Dirty Frankk

Dr. Delight wrote:

Indian Summer wrote:

This law abiding, licensed gun owner and supporter will see you in the PIT at both Philly shows. You can expect a middle finger on night one from me for your ignorance.

this^

and Mr. Indian you can stick you gun up your ass too

adamdude

lol, indian summer thinks carrying a concealed weapon is not a problem and then proceeds to call everyone else ignorant. surely he jests.

fox_mulderX

Come on, guys, give the OP a break. His gun will be there to protect him and his family when the British invade.

SEND THOSE WARNING SHOTS AND BELLS!

adamdude

I NEED TO HAF A WEAPON COS OTHER PEOPLE HAVE WEAPONS THATS WHY WEAPONS ARE GUD YALL. :fp:

H.Chinaski

I love that Ed puts himself out there on topics such as this. It is clearly an issue in this country and the nra freaks that refuse to realize this need a wake up call of some sort. But what will it take? There have been so many tragic horrific events already. And if these comments from Ed alienate any gun nuts from the 10C or PJ shows i say good riddance.

brianlux

ForceofNature101 wrote:

adamdude wrote:

american's gun culture is disgusting. i'm glad i don't live there. eddie's totally right.

As someone who lives in California thankfully where I live - well at least in the large part of the areas all around me - people are generally down to earth and reasonable about the whole gun culture thing, although it is indeed a nationwide issue. Ed was right on this one

Although let me just say that every time I have been down South, not to stereotype or put down the people who live there, but the gun culture (and just a general cultural mindset) is a lot different... let's just say I am happy out in Cali

Oh how I miss those parts of this, my home state! Rural counties are not so cool that way.

Restless Soul

Indian Summer wrote:

In response to this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/0 ... 59887.html

Ed,

While I fully support your use of freedom of speech over the years, your statement in this interview is of pure ignorance. I'm not going to debate gun control or the politics around it, its your choice to not own a gun and I fully support that. But to wish harm on gun control opponents? I hope karma takes a big bite out of your ass on that comment alone.

He didn't actually mean it you know. He said it out of anger and frustration. After seeing all sorts of gun-related massacres such as Sandy hook and that naval base and all the other gun murder stories in the press, including 4 year olds getting shot, then seeing nothing being done about it in terms of legislation due to the stranglehold the NRA lobby has over the issue, I don't blame him for being angry and frustrated. He is a father after all.

Spags

Cool for both sides to say their piece - Ed probably knew that his comment would spark debate, its one way to get people talking about the issue. If kids blasting away at each other wasn't enough to do that then maybe an old 90s grunge singer can..?

Increase the peace!

Smellyman

Indian Summer wrote:

In response to this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/0 ... 59887.html

Ed,

While I fully support your use of freedom of speech over the years, your statement in this interview is of pure ignorance. I'm not going to debate gun control or the politics around it, its your choice to not own a gun and I fully support that. But to wish harm on gun control opponents? I hope karma takes a big bite out of your ass on that comment alone.

I own and legally conceal carry 1 handgun. I do not hunt, it is not used for sport, it is simply for the protection of my family. My gun is never seen by my children, and it's "never fucking laying around". I know where this gun is 24/7. This gun was purchased in the wake of the Colorado Movie Theater shooting, and the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting after I had recently become a father. Not only would I die for my children, but I would also Kill for them. Apparently, you do not value your children as highly as I do, which is a shame.

I hope my gun is never used in the manner in which it is intended, but the world is a crazy place and i will never hesitate to protect my family.

This law abiding, licensed gun owner and supporter will see you in the PIT at both Philly shows. You can expect a middle finger on night one from me for your ignorance.

Restless Soul

Rossum20 wrote:

Indian Summer wrote:

Rossum20 wrote:

No offense, but did you even read the article, or did you quickly look at the title and base your ramblings on that? He has beef with the elected officials who are not representing the 90% of Americans who are in support of common sense gun laws. Not to mention he said "almost".

I would like to know where his 90% figure came from also, but that is neither here nor there.

It's old news.

http://pollingmatters.gallup.com/2013/0 ... asure.html

Hang on, is this for real?? "Roughly nine in 10 Americans (91%) say they would vote for a law requiring criminal background checks for all U.S. gun purchasers."

Does this mean that currently there AREN'T criminal background checks for anyone wanting to buy a gun? :shock:

Sorry I find that quite alarming. No wonder the gun crime rate there is through the roof! You'd never get that in the UK..!

clashman

shortstack wrote:

:crazy:

nuff said.

texasistheSTEVEN

Indian Summer wrote:

In response to this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/0 ... 59887.html

Ed,

While I fully support your use of freedom of speech over the years, your statement in this interview is of pure ignorance. I'm not going to debate gun control or the politics around it, its your choice to not own a gun and I fully support that. But to wish harm on gun control opponents? I hope karma takes a big bite out of your ass on that comment alone.

I own and legally conceal carry 1 handgun. I do not hunt, it is not used for sport, it is simply for the protection of my family. My gun is never seen by my children, and it's "never fucking laying around". I know where this gun is 24/7. This gun was purchased in the wake of the Colorado Movie Theater shooting, and the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting after I had recently become a father. Not only would I die for my children, but I would also Kill for them. Apparently, you do not value your children as highly as I do, which is a shame.

I hope my gun is never used in the manner in which it is intended, but the world is a crazy place and i will never hesitate to protect my family.

This law abiding, licensed gun owner and supporter will see you in the PIT at both Philly shows. You can expect a middle finger on night one from me for your ignorance.

Brilliant post. Possibly the funniest I've read on here in sometime.
So you are gonna go to the show and give EV the middle finger?
Why not give your ticket to someone who might show a bit of respect.

We are all entitled to our opinions but paying money to heckle or flip off a band member is about as dumb as gun nuts thinking protection comes from carrying MORE GUNS. Nation of fear mate, thats what you are living in.

Digital Twilight

It still amazes me (as it does for a large part of the world outside the US) that people think increasing the number of guns in the public hands will actually make the country safer. Defies logic, common sense and the mathematic properties of probability :?

unforgiven

I really have no place in this debate, not being an American, but I would suggest the op do some research into countries that have tighten their gun laws. Start with Australia, In the 90's Australia had a number of massacres occur. The government at the time implemented legislation reform on gun control that tighten licensing requirements and banned all automatic and semi automatic weapons. Since that time, over 15 years, Australia has not had one shooting massacre, would you like to guess how many the US has had in that time? Gun reform is desperately needed in the US.

A gun for protection is a joke, what happens when someone comes into your house with a knife, do you use your gun in that situation. What if then the intruder manages to get the gun from you. Have you protected your family or made the situation worse?

pdalowsky

Its been covered nicely in this thread already, so without going on too much I will never understand someones 'need' to own a gun. Even for safety.

This guy is telling us he has his weapon safely concealed - in that case, if someone randomly whipped a gun on you, do you really think there will be time to take it out, unlock the safety, and protect your children?

personally I would never own a gun. even if every neighbour had one. Guns are trouble IMO.

and believe me contrary to your suggestion about Ed caring for his kids, I love my kids more than anything.