Lottery... So much for appeasing the loyal fanbase.

Spiritual_Chaos

ctsufer31 wrote:

Spiritual_Chaos wrote:

ctsufer31 wrote:

The lottery system fails long time 10c members and benefits new club members.

Why? It benefit long time 10c members, as usual you get better seats.

Other than that, everyone have a equal chance to get tickets. As it, IMO, should be.

Really?

So to even the playing field and allow new members a chance to get tickets while members who have been supporting 10c for decades get shut out?

Maybe you should see it my my point of view.

Yeah. And your point of view is just filled with ego and weird selfishness.

When did fanclub members ever have a bigger chance at tickets just because they were a part of the club longer?

Poncier

Divka wrote:

MayDay10 wrote:

I think the real issue is the allure of creating many garbage number accounts to get multiple entries for ga tickets

Is it possible to have more than 1 account under the same name? Using fake names would not work...

Not under the same name, but spouses, children other family members, employees etc.

South of Seattle

frisbiec wrote:

MisterEtake2 wrote:

Sorry - but people can only favor the old system over the lottery for one reason: they had an unfair advantage which gave them a leg up on tickets and now that advantage is gone.

How did the old system give anyone a leg up? If anything the new system gives people with tons of free time or disposable income a leg up.

There were plenty of url hacks people used before . . trust me.

ShouldHaveBeenSomething

South of Seattle wrote:

frisbiec wrote:

MisterEtake2 wrote:

Sorry - but people can only favor the old system over the lottery for one reason: they had an unfair advantage which gave them a leg up on tickets and now that advantage is gone.

How did the old system give anyone a leg up? If anything the new system gives people with tons of free time or disposable income a leg up.

There were plenty of url hacks people used before . . trust me.

You mean instead of clicking the LINK to the ticket page, they typed in the URL directly...

hardly a HACK :fp:

UpSideDown

Soybeans wrote:

I never had problems buying tix to multiple shows. This will kill the traveling aspect of the fan base that has supported the band for so long.

Bring back F5.

I actually think this point is rather valid.

thefin190

frisbiec wrote:

thefin190 wrote:

I am in the 400's and missed out on either Seattle tickets, fucking sucks. ust wondering, are ticket scalpers allowed to join the fan club and re-sell tickets? Obvious answer is no, but how do they get away with it??? I used to re-sell other tickets (not Pearl Jam) when I was in college for extra money because I was poor, but I was way too nervous to ever sell a Pearl Jam ticket in fear of being kicked out the fan club. I haven't done any ticket flipping in years. How are scalpers able to do this?

They are able to get away with it because people are willing to pay crazy prices. There are already GA seats on eBay . . . if I understand correctly, GA is fan club only. So, some ten clubbers are already scalping their seats.

That's ridiculous and sad. This is why I stopped re-selling tickets, it was just so sad to see true fans shut out and forced to pay crazy prices because of pesky scalpers. Now I am experiencing the bad karma I probably had waiting for me, it hurts and it sucks.

frisbiec

South of Seattle wrote:

frisbiec wrote:

MisterEtake2 wrote:

Sorry - but people can only favor the old system over the lottery for one reason: they had an unfair advantage which gave them a leg up on tickets and now that advantage is gone.

How did the old system give anyone a leg up? If anything the new system gives people with tons of free time or disposable income a leg up.

There were plenty of url hacks people used before . . trust me.

There will be hacks in any computer system . . . I still don't see how in principle alone, the lottery system is more fair than "F5." At best, it is just different. At worst, it gives an advantage to those who are fiscally irresponsible or those with more disposable income.

In reality, the most fair system would be the old school way of index cards/mail. But according to Tim, "Nobody wants to go back to that." - paraphrasing there, don't remember the exact words.

Zod

I've written this a few times, but I think people underestimate how skewed the 10c membership is.

Once seniority was brought in for seat allocation (it was never used for buying tickets, only for seat location) people stopped "forgetting to renew". I think this was on the Binaural Tour. Anyone who joined after that tour (so late 2000ish) has basically been screwed. They've gotten mediocre to crappy 10c seats etc....

If they started to allocate tickets on seniority as well, its not just the people that signed up two weeks ago that would be screwed. The tickets would be gobbled up by all the members that signed up on the 2000 tour or earlier. I signed up in '98, it would benefit me, but I think its the wrong way to go.

You've also got the combined problem of Pearl Jam barely touring and ticketing agencies restricting tickets to fan clubs. There aren't enough to go around.

It wouldn't matter if it were by lottery or f5. People would still miss out. I think the system (while not perfect) gets the most amount of people to shows. It makes it pretty hard to see multiple shows via 10c tickets unless the shows are really low in demand.

JimmyV

ctsufer31 wrote:

d.

Earlier this year, I contacted someone at 10c about the new lottery system. She assured me that the new system was better. She explained that the old system of getting 10c tickets was being compromised but ticket brokers using computers to purchase as many tickets as possible.

The saboteurs have been identified!

RatsTJRats

This argument will never end. Membership shows your dedication and loyalty to the band...It should be the lowest numbers picking what shows they want and the rest of us fighting for whats leftover....and for Non-10C members...pfft good luck jerks!!! If your not part of 10C then you cant see the band live!

Btw, they have enough fans as is, no need to leave the door open for the new members or fans...honestly might as well just give tickets to every show to members 1-30,000...if one of those members cant go then they can sell it or pass it off to 30,001 and so on! Its the only fair way!


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Get_Right

There are more fans than tickets.

The band decided it is better to have 10,000 people get tickets to one or two shows than 3,000 people getting tickets to five. They changed the system.

That is all there is to it. Really.

I think its fine. Pick wisely and you have a decent shot at winning every time. But the days of getting 10c tix to a run of shows is over as long as this system is in place.

marc34

The more I have read and learned about the lottery system I don't mind it as much. Granted I got both shows I wanted and I am sure I might feel differently about it had I not. It is similar to the old index cards/paper system except its digital. I was always under the impression that seniority got you tickets but I have read and been told by numerous people that was not the case. I guess I have been really fortunate and lucky for tickets all these years.

The issue I do have is the choice to have a GA pit. That puts your seniority system in question. As a longtime member and getting a little older I will not line up for 10 hours to get to the front of the pit. Also If I want to get a drink or go the bathroom you will never make your way close to the front if you leave the pit. I know the newer 10c members are in favor of this because they think it evens out the chance to be up front. My argument is I will never have a chance to be front row unless I got random tickets in rows 1,2,9,10.....Just like a new club member. So I don't see why people feel the seniority is unfair.

MG79478

MisterEtake2 wrote:

Sorry - but people can only favor the old system over the lottery for one reason: they had an unfair advantage which gave them a leg up on tickets and now that advantage is gone.

The unfair advantage they refer to is persistence and dedication to refresh until you get the tickets, or sold out.

If someone wanted tickets bad enough, that they figured out the URL system, more power to them. EVERYONE had the same opportunity to figure out the same tricks. You can't be mad that some people put in the effort, and some didn't.

Zod

Get_Right wrote:

There are more fans than tickets.

The band decided it is better to have 10,000 people get tickets to one or two shows than 3,000 people getting tickets to five. They changed the system.

That is all there is to it. Really.

I think its fine. Pick wisely and you have a decent shot at winning every time. But the days of getting 10c tix to a run of shows is over as long as this system is in place.

+1

BinFrog

In the F5 days, at least you had some control over the situation: patience. In all the years they had the old system, yes it could royally SUCK to have tickets in your cart, and them have your browser timeout, but patience paid off. the ONLY show I ever got shut out of was because I was on vaca and had a friend log in for me, and I don't think he was quite prepared for what was in store.

Everyone who says this new system is better is crazy.

1) As mentioned, you're going to kill the core group of fans who travel to many cities to see the band.
2) Nobody was 100% clear on how the rankings worked. It should be setup so that if you win a city, your next entry for that city is voided and everything in your queue moves up 1 spot. Or just screw the whole GA and Seats options and just make it 1 option.
3) In the week+ that the lottery window was open, there was a lot of time for coordinated ticket schemes among groups of fans. And yes, I guarantee a lot of the extras will be on ebay and stubhub.
4) This system takes the ticket buying experience completely out of the hands of the loyal fans.
5) The worst part: We now all have to resort to TM onsale dates. You know, the company that Stone and Jeff went to congress to rally against. So now we have to deal with a system we KNOW is stacked against us. We will log in, and within 10 seconds of the onsale date there will be HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of tickets, per show, up on scalping sites. TM will make us bend over and take one for the team...unless we want nosebleed seats. Nosebleeds are fine from time to time if that is what it takes to get me in the door, but I have come to recognize and know a lot of familiar faces on tour over these years, and that communal aspect is now completely destroyed. TM will do their shady backroom scalping deals, brokers will guzzle up tickets and make us pay hundreds of dollars over face, and there is NOTHING we can do about it. Nothing. Oh, and you know there are tons of scalpers in the 10C now.

I love this band. I love going to see them. I will end up with tickets to the 3 shows I requested and got denied. But this system just does not feel right.

MayDay10

Poncier wrote:

Divka wrote:

MayDay10 wrote:

I think the real issue is the allure of creating many garbage number accounts to get multiple entries for ga tickets

Is it possible to have more than 1 account under the same name? Using fake names would not work...

Not under the same name, but spouses, children other family members, employees etc.

yup. This system greatly favors multiple new accounts. The ga aspect of it creates a perfect storm.

im a mid to high member number too. I didnt lose anything really with ga. Its a scalpers dream thouhh

Grandma

I think the countdown hurt us a LOT here - plenty of warning for amateur scalpers to sign up - and the chance of getting Pit to sell made it even worse. The pros would have known in any case.

Bet there are a lot of new members.

frisbiec

Get_Right wrote:

There are more fans than tickets.

The band decided it is better to have 10,000 people get tickets to one or two shows than 3,000 people getting tickets to five. They changed the system.

That is all there is to it. Really.

I think its fine. Pick wisely and you have a decent shot at winning every time. But the days of getting 10c tix to a run of shows is over as long as this system is in place.

Except this system did not do that. It shut out many people that were only going to attend or could only afford to attend 1-2 shows. And beyond that, many people still did get multiple shows. A lottery would work fine if everyone had one solid shot to a show. If there are indeed less tickets, there is no need for anyone to gain access to multiple shows. I often wonder if management is worried that without offering multiple shows, the band could not sufficiently fill some of the venues?

Spiritual_Chaos

Grandma wrote:

I think the countdown hurt us a LOT here - plenty of warning for amateur scalpers to sign up - and the chance of getting Pit to sell made it even worse. The pros would have known in any case.

Bet there are a lot of new members.

I think people should be members for one full year before being able to buy tickets. Seems fair and would remove some scalpers maybe...

PJ2k3

It's pretty simple:

Got Tickets = This lottery thing works, it's good for everyone!

Didn't Get Tickets = Fuck the lottery, Pearl Jam owes me cause I joined in [insert year here].


Why don't you go down to your state's lottery office and tell them it's not fair you didn't win $300 million?? I'm tired of these elitist pains in the ass bitching about everything. Take that $5000 you had set aside for an entire tour and go help someone who can't afford to feed their family and turn that frown upside down.