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Lottery... So much for appeasing the loyal fanbase.
blackmagicmarkerK
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196xxx - Under the supposed "broken" 10C ticketing system, I rarely had problems getting tickets. Frustrating at times, but perserverence almost always paid off in one form or another.
The Lottery system unfairly levels the playing field between a fan that just paid for their inital 10c fee and longtime loyal fans that have poured literally tens of thousands of dollars into this band. Many, taking cross country trips for one-off shows.
Arguing the "fairness" of the Lottery may seem like whining but I wonder, how well was this truely thought out? When making these changes did the 10C fully understand the negative aspect of "leveling the playing field".
And, there's no way to make it up. It's done.
MyM
Lightning Bolt :?:
Lottery :evil:
Sitting in the 400's :fp:
The Lottery system unfairly levels the playing field between a fan that just paid for their inital 10c fee and longtime loyal fans that have poured literally tens of thousands of dollars into this band. Many, taking cross country trips for one-off shows.
Arguing the "fairness" of the Lottery may seem like whining but I wonder, how well was this truely thought out? When making these changes did the 10C fully understand the negative aspect of "leveling the playing field".
And, there's no way to make it up. It's done.
MyM
Lightning Bolt :?:
Lottery :evil:
Sitting in the 400's :fp:
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Agreed.
Earlier this year, I contacted someone at 10c about the new lottery system. She assured me that the new system was better. She explained that the old system of getting 10c tickets was being compromised but ticket brokers using computers to purchase as many tickets as possible. A day the lottery, I have very serious doubts about this new system. In the old system (mail and internet), I always received tickets for every tour. With the new lottery system, I received nothing (Worcester and Hartford). What I don't understand was why did 10c seniority play a factor in this. The longer you been with the club, your chances of getting a pair of tickets should have increased.
The lottery system fails long time 10c members and benefits new club members. It time for 10c members to voice their issues with the 10c ticketing lottery with 10c personal.
Hartford 10-02-1996, Hartford 09-13-1998, Mansfield 08-29-2000, Albany 04-29-2003, Mansfield 07-02-2003, NYC 07-09-2003, Boston 09-28-2004, Toronto 09-19-2005, Albany 05-12-2006, Boston 05-25-2006, E. Rutherford 06-03-2006, Hartford 06-27-2008, Mansfield 06-28-2008, Mansfield 06-30-2008, Boston 05-17-2010, Toronto 09-11-2011, Worcester 10-15-2013, Worcester 10-16-2013, Quebec City 05-05-2016
Eddie Vedder
Boston 08-01-2008, Providence 06-15-2011, Boston 06-16-2011
Tres Mts.
Boston 03-27-2011
Why? It benefit long time 10c members, as usual you get better seats.
Other than that, everyone have a equal chance to get tickets. As it, IMO, should be.
Really?
So to even the playing field and allow new members a chance to get tickets while members who have been supporting 10c for decades get shut out?
Maybe you should see it my my point of view.
Hartford 10-02-1996, Hartford 09-13-1998, Mansfield 08-29-2000, Albany 04-29-2003, Mansfield 07-02-2003, NYC 07-09-2003, Boston 09-28-2004, Toronto 09-19-2005, Albany 05-12-2006, Boston 05-25-2006, E. Rutherford 06-03-2006, Hartford 06-27-2008, Mansfield 06-28-2008, Mansfield 06-30-2008, Boston 05-17-2010, Toronto 09-11-2011, Worcester 10-15-2013, Worcester 10-16-2013, Quebec City 05-05-2016
Eddie Vedder
Boston 08-01-2008, Providence 06-15-2011, Boston 06-16-2011
Tres Mts.
Boston 03-27-2011
Not true at all. Seniority had NOTHING to do with actually getting tickets even with the old system. It only came into play after you bought the tickets.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
You were never guaranteed tickets as a long time fan club member. So pretty much what you are saying is that you deserve tickets more than someone who has recently joined 10c?
Bring back F5.
oh jeez, now i thought it was the band's decision because they were sick of seeing the same faces. :roll:
Just wondering, are ticket scalpers allowed to join the fan club and re-sell tickets? Obvious answer is no, but how do they get away with it??? I used to re-sell other tickets (not Pearl Jam) when I was in college for extra money because I was poor, but I was way too nervous to ever sell a Pearl Jam ticket in fear of being kicked out the fan club. I haven't done any ticket flipping in years. How are scalpers able to do this?
Pearl Jam:
Key Arena - Seattle, WA - Sep 21, 2009
Pacific Coliseum - Vancouver, BC - Sep 25, 2011
Key Arena - Seattle, WA - Dec 6, 2013
Eddie Vedder Solo:
Benaroya Hall - Seattle, WA - Jul 15, 2011
I think the real issue is the allure of creating many garbage number accounts to get multiple entries for ga tickets
The ironic thing is that everyone had equal access to the F5 system, some put more in to it than others.
'00 - Jones Beach (x2)
'03 - Nassau Coliseum/Tweeter Center/ MSG (x2)
'04 - Reading, PA
'05 - Wachovia Center
'06 - Irving Plaza; Continental Airlines Arena (x2)
'08 - MSG (x2); Beacon Theater
'09 - Philly Spectrum (x2)
'10 - XL Center; Prudential Center; MSG (x2)
'11 - Alpine Valley (x2)
'12 - Made In America
'13 - Wrigley Field; DCU Center; Barclay Center (x2); Wells Fargo Center; XL Center
'15 - Ed Sullivan Theater
'16 - MSG (x2)
'17 - Barclay Center (R&RHOF)
'18 - Fenway Park
'22 - MSG
That's the fact. Plain and simple.
I'm definetly not sold on the lottery as it is, but those facts speak for themselves.
To argue that, would seem silly.
Agreed. I never had a problem with F5 or Index cards. It seems that the universal reason that is given for people getting shut out is that there just aren't enough tickets. If this is the case, why are we allowed to go for broke and request multiple shows? It would be more equitable if everyone had equal access to one show.
Is it possible to have more than 1 account under the same name? Using fake names would not work...
I had better luck sending in physical index cards... SCARY
When did fanclub members ever have a bigger chance at tickets just because they were a part of the club longer?
hardly a HACK :fp:
I actually think this point is rather valid.
That's ridiculous and sad. This is why I stopped re-selling tickets, it was just so sad to see true fans shut out and forced to pay crazy prices because of pesky scalpers. Now I am experiencing the bad karma I probably had waiting for me, it hurts and it sucks.
Pearl Jam:
Key Arena - Seattle, WA - Sep 21, 2009
Pacific Coliseum - Vancouver, BC - Sep 25, 2011
Key Arena - Seattle, WA - Dec 6, 2013
Eddie Vedder Solo:
Benaroya Hall - Seattle, WA - Jul 15, 2011
In reality, the most fair system would be the old school way of index cards/mail. But according to Tim, "Nobody wants to go back to that." - paraphrasing there, don't remember the exact words.
Once seniority was brought in for seat allocation (it was never used for buying tickets, only for seat location) people stopped "forgetting to renew". I think this was on the Binaural Tour. Anyone who joined after that tour (so late 2000ish) has basically been screwed. They've gotten mediocre to crappy 10c seats etc....
If they started to allocate tickets on seniority as well, its not just the people that signed up two weeks ago that would be screwed. The tickets would be gobbled up by all the members that signed up on the 2000 tour or earlier. I signed up in '98, it would benefit me, but I think its the wrong way to go.
You've also got the combined problem of Pearl Jam barely touring and ticketing agencies restricting tickets to fan clubs. There aren't enough to go around.
It wouldn't matter if it were by lottery or f5. People would still miss out. I think the system (while not perfect) gets the most amount of people to shows. It makes it pretty hard to see multiple shows via 10c tickets unless the shows are really low in demand.
The saboteurs have been identified!
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Btw, they have enough fans as is, no need to leave the door open for the new members or fans...honestly might as well just give tickets to every show to members 1-30,000...if one of those members cant go then they can sell it or pass it off to 30,001 and so on! Its the only fair way!
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