Lottery... So much for appeasing the loyal fanbase.

RatsTJRats

dimitrispearljam wrote:

what loyal fanbase means?

im flying 6000 miles for 3 hours concert..

oh ..i forget ....means nothing..

im not 10c member 20 years

i should go fuck my self

Loyalty is measured in years in 10C and money paid towards the club!!! If you wernt in 10C then you clearly were not listening to the music or supporting the band, the guy who has been sending in an average of $15 a year for 15 years to be in the club has invested so much more!

schapp

LA98 wrote:

I just can't understand why the lottery is unfair. In my mind it's as random as F5-ing. F5-ing isn't a skill, it's luck. How is it any different?

In 2010 I sat at my computer F5-ing like crazy (while at work, and got in some trouble for web surfing) and got shut out. This time I submitted choices for the lottery and got tickets for one show. Either way, it's nothing but luck, isn't it?

Any ticket system is basically luck, right? F5, lottery, phone orders. In the 80s I remember mailing about a hundred postcards for Rolling Stones tickets and didn't get any, my brother sent 5 postcards and scored. No matter what, fans will be disappointed/shut out of tickets at one point or another (and it does suck, no question about that....)

What is not fair is how this lottery worked. I scored tickets for my 6th option only, over people choosing that show as their top choice. Many got several tickets while others got nothing.

* If it's a real lottery, get rid of the priority thing and just let us go head to head every time. Honestly, however it may have worked, is not the way it was explained to us. So, this is an easier model everyone understands.

* another good option, is to limit all of us to ONE show until most clubbers got at least one of their choices. If after that there are still tickets left (would just happen when people only selected a couple of shows and some venues have available tickets left), then make a second lottery and continue until the allotment is sold out.

* I also thought it would be a good idea to take out "names" instead of shows from the bucket. What I mean, is that instead of going show by show, they could draw names and match them with their first choice show. They get shut out until there are no more show-clubber matches, and only then a subsequent lottery can be held. Those who didn't get their first choice then have their second choice and their new first one. When no more matches can be made, then everyone can go in a lottery for their other choices until the allotment is sold out. This would be, in my opinion, the option I consider to be the most fair one.

Parksy

thefin190 wrote:

I am in the 400's and missed out on either Seattle tickets, fucking sucks.

Just wondering, are ticket scalpers allowed to join the fan club and re-sell tickets? Obvious answer is no, but how do they get away with it??? I used to re-sell other tickets (not Pearl Jam) when I was in college for extra money because I was poor, but I was way too nervous to ever sell a Pearl Jam ticket in fear of being kicked out the fan club. I haven't done any ticket flipping in years. How are scalpers able to do this?

Come on now...

there is no way of proving a ten clubber sold their tickets. They warn that if you do.. you're done from the ten club and blah blah blah.... proving it would be wayyy too much of a hassle for ten club.

Parksy

I've been a ten clubber for... 13 years or so.

When PJ comes in my area... myself and two other 10 clubbers always go to the shows together. Sort of a ritual.

Here's the problem with the new lottery:

New lottery means that may never happen again.

And for those who complain about the old system... myself and my two friends NEVER had problems being shut out of shows.

Also... let's say I want to travel to see Pearl Jam in say New York. If I'm traveling, I would want to see both shows. Under this system, I could win one and lose the other. Just seems silly to me.

Now... I do like that people who were being shut out of shows, are getting in. That's good. But it seems like people are still being shut out of shows with the new lottery. People who have been ten clubbers for years. And if you think that doesn't count for anything... you can f yourself

I've said this before and it would be nice for the band or ten club to finally answer (if they have, please post) why can't they secure more tickets for fan club?????

And here's another solution... sort of a pipe dream.. but I think it would silence a lot of critics.... play fan club only shows.

I mean think about it... they tour the big cities. Play a smaller venue for ten clubbers only and then the next night or night after, play the big venue. Keeps everyone happy. They still make money. Less crazy travel for the band.

Just a thought.

And I know it must be hard to satisfy everyone... but... this new lottery... seems to stink. Sorry... just my opinion.

Parksy

It's funny too...

so many people saying seniority doesn't / shouldn't mean anything.

Pearl Jam / 10C have been rewarding seniority for 20 years.

Have they been wrong assclowns that whole time too?

Parksy

PJ2k3 wrote:

It's pretty simple:

Got Tickets = This lottery thing works, it's good for everyone!

Didn't Get Tickets = Fuck the lottery, Pearl Jam owes me cause I joined in [insert year here].


Why don't you go down to your state's lottery office and tell them it's not fair you didn't win $300 million?? I'm tired of these elitist pains in the ass bitching about everything. Take that $5000 you had set aside for an entire tour and go help someone who can't afford to feed their family and turn that frown upside down.

I got tickets... i still think it's shitty.

Soybeans

Go Beavers wrote:

Anyone else find it interesting how it seems like all the lottery complaint threads start with something like "I've never been shut out before..."

Why would that be interesting? It's like starting off by saying "boy, if we thought things sucked before..."

Parksy

BB24919 wrote:

this is getting ridiculous. I posted back when I didn't get tics to PJ20. I to have been a fanclub member for a longtime, 1997. Like I said when I missed out on PJ20, I was not bitter. I have never seen Ed solo. I sometimes get tickets and sometimes I don't. To all of you who say this is going to kill there "core fanbase" I laugh so loud. Really listen to yourselves. No it's not. PJ's fanbase is HUGE. Not a thing is going to change my friends, nothing. Get over yourselves and your whining. Seriously getting old. This new system really is much better if you step back. I spoke on the phone Sunday night with my old college friends who I went to Maui with in 1998 to see PJ and countless of other trips together to see the band. All 5 of us were shut out of PJ20. Did I whine, talk shit, make ridiculous comments? No. I realize this fanbase is giant and the band is doing quite a bit to make it as fair as possible. Trust me when PJ20 came and I didn't get tics and newbies did thats ok. Thats life. Keep things in perspective people. Deep breaths.

Agreed. i don't think this lottery should/would kill a fanbase.

If I didn't get my tickets to the show I wanted.. I'd still be a huge PJ fan.

In other news... my buddy just texted me a pic of him getting his arm signed by Eddie an hour ago. Lucky bastard

jfconnorjr

blackmagicmarkerK wrote:

196xxx - Under the supposed "broken" 10C ticketing system, I rarely had problems getting tickets. Frustrating at times, but perserverence almost always paid off in one form or another.

The Lottery system unfairly levels the playing field between a fan that just paid for their inital 10c fee and longtime loyal fans that have poured literally tens of thousands of dollars into this band. Many, taking cross country trips for one-off shows.

Arguing the "fairness" of the Lottery may seem like whining but I wonder, how well was this truely thought out? When making these changes did the 10C fully understand the negative aspect of "leveling the playing field".

And, there's no way to make it up. It's done.

MyM
Lightning Bolt :?:
Lottery :evil:
Sitting in the 400's :fp:

This is what the truth sounds like!!!!

Parksy

Get_Right wrote:

frisbiec wrote:

I am saying that everyone should be able to have an equal shot to 1 show (this is how it was in the past and it worked)

Everybody has an equal shot. There just aren't enough tickets.

once again... i wish there was more tickets

leespj

New lottery system is shite

I have travelled across Europe and to the US and Canada from the UK to see PJ. I have been a fan since Ten and been to 19 shows (2 bridge school), and 4 EV shows (one of them Dallas) 19 PJ but should have been nearer 30 from other times i have missed out. I tried for Worcester and both Brooklyn. When travelling from the UK to US doing 1 show and going home is a waste of time. I know some people will say you see them in Europe, so what. I want to see them in the US and know i have to try for shitty public tickets. I would partially agree with the lottery system if there was also a ten club member pre sale on ticketmaster like after the crowdsurge fiasco.

bicyclejoe

JC85096 wrote:

I can understand the frustration from anyone who was shut out of getting tickets. However, how anyone can deny that this new system isn't better than the old one is delusional. The old system was a free-for-all in which you had to sit at your computer, hitting the refresh button for 2 hours and then maybe you'd get lucky. To be honest, I was always able to get the tickets to the shows I wanted in this format, but it was beyond annoying and nerve wracking to have to go through it. I've had friends who've been in the 10 Club longer than I have that would get shut out using this system and it was not from a lack of effort. By the way, someone mentioned earlier on this thread that when using the old system they had put in more effort and got tickets. What effort? I'm sure there were some who bailed out of frustration when the website looked like it was crashing, but there are many others who just didn't have luck on their side. So to say that you worked harder to get tickets is a bit of a reach.

As for the new system, it does have it's flaws, but it's still much better than the old one. A person can take their time and get their finances in order and decide if the can go to certain shows or not. Plus, isn't your time more valuable to you than it would be if you had to sit in front of a computer for 2-3 hours, cursing at the screen every time you had tickets slip through your hands like it used to with the old system?

Look, it sucks not getting to tickets to see a band we all love, especially since they don't tour the US all that often. I certainly can empathize with that. What I don't understand is the whining that takes place when people don't get what they want. What about all of the shows you've seen in the past via the 10 Club? Doesn't that count for anything?

I've been a 10 Club member since 2001; however, I've been a die-hard fan since 1992. Just because I joined later doesn't mean that someone else that joined before me is a bigger fan than I am. So the idea that some of PJ's "best" fans missing some of the shows on the upcoming tour will be a detriment to the band/concert experience is absurd.

Maybe there is no perfect system. You have to figure that scalpers purposely sign up multiple accounts for the sole purpose of buying tickets. Not sure how this can be identified other than to stop accepting new members into the club. I don't see that happening though.

This.

The sense of entitlement and white girl problems in this thread are unbelievable.

I put in for one show and got it. If I had lost the lottery, I would have moved on and purchased a ticket through TM (actually, TM isn't handling my local show).

Statistically, and logically, the lottery system is more fair than the F5 system, which didn't give someone an advantage based on seniority.

I remember the U2 Zoo TV tour in 1992, when the band, in an effort to fight scalping, didn't announce when tickets would go on sale. Instead, they put them up without warning on a random day at a random time. I was calling my college campus ticket outlet every hour on the hour. Finally, I called and the woman on the other end said, "They went on sale 15 minutes ago." I ran like the wind and only managed mediocre seats for two shows n Seattle but look back at the whole experience with fondness. And they were some of the best concerts of my life.

Now, that's how you buy tickets to a rock show: No sense of entitlement, just happy to be in the same building watching my favorite band at the time.

I can't see some of you having the passion or imagination to handle that arrangement. But it made me appreciate the band even more.

Appreciate what you have.

dimitrispearljam

TRobinson wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

what loyal fanbase means?

im flying 6000 miles for 3 hours concert..

oh ..i forget ....means nothing..

im not 10c member 20 years

i should go fuck my self

Loyalty is measured in years in 10C and money paid towards the club!!! If you wernt in 10C then you clearly were not listening to the music or supporting the band, the guy who has been sending in an average of $15 a year for 15 years to be in the club has invested so much more!

Yeah..i hear ya...

Well.ill tell u what loyalty means in Greek
Means to love and be there to someone or something with out waiting anything in return..
And u know what???

Cant fuckin buy it with money..cos its Free!!!

eddiec

TRobinson wrote:

Loyalty is measured in years in 10C and money paid towards the club!!! If you wernt in 10C then you clearly were not listening to the music or supporting the band, the guy who has been sending in an average of $15 a year for 15 years to be in the club has invested so much more!

Huh? I have a good friend from NY who has been to most of the tri-state shows for the past 15 years. He's probably been to more PJ concerts than most of the members in 10c. But he's never been in 10c. I asked him why once and he just said he's 'not into fan clubs'. It's not a money thing with him, he just doesn't do fan clubs. Too many people on here think they are the only 'real' PJ fans in the world and that everybody else is just a 'casual' fan. Man, I've read that term so much lately it's making me sick. There are more fans outside of 10c than in.

dimitrispearljam

eddiec wrote:

TRobinson wrote:

Loyalty is measured in years in 10C and money paid towards the club!!! If you wernt in 10C then you clearly were not listening to the music or supporting the band, the guy who has been sending in an average of $15 a year for 15 years to be in the club has invested so much more!

Huh? I have a good friend from NY who has been to most of the tri-state shows for the past 15 years. He's probably been to more PJ concerts than most of the members in 10c. But he's never been in 10c. I asked him why once and he just said he's 'not into fan clubs'. It's not a money thing with him, he just doesn't do fan clubs. Too many people on here think they are the only 'real' PJ fans in the world and that everybody else is just a 'casual' fan. Man, I've read that term so much lately it's making me sick. There are more fans outside of 10c than in.

2 months ago i met a greek girl..huge fan.
33 years old.her place was like 18 years old with .poster of the band im the closet...she even had made paintings of the songs of the band..inspired from pj lyrics..
When i asked her if she is a member of 10c,you know what she answer me??
What is that??

Parksy

I 100% agree being in the fan club does not make one a 'bigger' fan.

However... for years it meant getting the best shot at tickets. You have to understand people's frustrations with not getting tickets.

For those who got shut out. Sorry. Honestly.. best of luck with general sale.

To 10C/Pearl Jam: LOOK AT THIS FORUM... SECURE MORE FAN CLUB TICKETS!!!!

ambrasjes

My 10 club

I am not my number. The moment I become my number, I am either enslaved or imprisoned.
I am not entitled. No matter how long or how much $ I 'invested', I already received more than I was bargaining for.
I am loyal. For as long as I will live, I will run, walk and crawl the earth in pursuit, until my body gives out.
I am happy. For all those beautiful moments I shared with friends and strangers looking up into the bright lights.
I am partly deaf, so kids protect those ears even if that 'takes away from the experience'. And last but not least...
I do feel sorry for you.

Ledbetterman10

Is everybody that scored reserved seats at least seated by seniority?

Ledbetterman10

ambrasjes wrote:

My 10 club

I am not my number. The moment I become my number, I am either enslaved or imprisoned.
I am not entitled. No matter how long or how much $ I 'invested', I already received more than I was bargaining for.
I am loyal. For as long as I will live, I will run, walk and crawl the earth in pursuit, until my body gives out.
I am happy. For all those beautiful moments I shared with friends and strangers looking up into the bright lights.
I am partly deaf, so kids protect those ears even if that 'takes away from the experience'. And last but not least...
I do feel sorry for you.

Deep, man. Deep......

eddiec

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Is everybody that scored reserved seats at least seated by seniority?

Yes