Lottery... So much for appeasing the loyal fanbase.

dimitrispearljam

ambrasjes wrote:

My 10 club

I am not my number. The moment I become my number, I am either enslaved or imprisoned.
I am not entitled. No matter how long or how much $ I 'invested', I already received more than I was bargaining for.
I am loyal. For as long as I will live, I will run, walk and crawl the earth in pursuit, until my body gives out.
I am happy. For all those beautiful moments I shared with friends and strangers looking up into the bright lights.
I am partly deaf, so kids protect those ears even if that 'takes away from the experience'. And last but not least...much respect
I do feel sorry for you.

Fuck man...u nailed it...for people like you i love this community.

RS151862

dimitrispearljam wrote:

2 months ago i met a greek girl..huge fan.
33 years old.her place was like 18 years old with .poster of the band im the closet...

Why were you hiding in her closet?

:corn:

Ledbetterman10

eddiec wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Is everybody that scored reserved seats at least seated by seniority?

Yes

Well that's cool. All things considered, the new GA seating might land me some great seats. My number is 189xxx so maybe many of the people that are usually in front of me won GA and so my reserved seats will at least be as close as they can be. And hopefully, they're on the side and not behind the pit. Side view's the best view for me.

jervin007

A good friend of mine is 25,xxx. Doesn't frequent the forum. Won reserved seats to wrigley and GA tickets to Worcester. So, I would say some longtime members were rewarded by the lottery.

Fans with high numbers also seem to have won both of these shows. Which also was the case when F5 was still used. Some people win, some don't. Some go see 5 shows, some 1, or none.

I just don't think things have changed that much

Sorry for those who missed out. I managed 1 show, hartford reserved. I will be using public onsale for everything else

I think one good thing that will come out of all this is that when people are able win even one show via 10club they will be extremely happy. This sense of entitlement with many fans hopefully will be replaced by appreciation and the understanding that you may not get any shows next time around.

Soybeans

jervin007 wrote:

This sense of entitlement with many fans hopefully will be replaced by appreciation and the understanding that you may not get any shows next time around.

Entitlement is such a hack political term these days.
the true def..
right to a particular privilege or benefit, granted by law or custom

The key here is custom. We have customarily had a better experience than this.

Improvements have been promised for years. When things get worse it is somewhat shocking.We just know the 10c can do better than this, and expect nothing less than what they've done for us in the past.

PJMosquito

Loyal fan base...more like spoiled fan base.

I keep seeing these "wah-wah" posts about how someone didn't get tickets, or how someone only got one show, or how MYM sucks. It's like get the f*ck over it already! Enough annoying complaining (about everything!) posts. :roll:

Spiritual_Chaos

PJMosquito wrote:

"wah-wah"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odDwOPNuclM

TigaSefi

No way a person who is a fan of PJ should be measured by being a member and whether it is a long term member or not and/or that a lots of $$$$ were paid into the 'club'. That is just nuts. I can take or leave this place and that how it is should be. Just ppl with a common interest.

MG79478

bicyclejoe wrote:

The sense of entitlement and white girl problems in this thread are unbelievable.

I put in for one show and got it. If I had lost the lottery, I would have moved on and purchased a ticket through TM (actually, TM isn't handling my local show).

Statistically, and logically, the lottery system is more fair than the F5 system, which didn't give someone an advantage based on seniority.

I remember the U2 Zoo TV tour in 1992, when the band, in an effort to fight scalping, didn't announce when tickets would go on sale. Instead, they put them up without warning on a random day at a random time. I was calling my college campus ticket outlet every hour on the hour. Finally, I called and the woman on the other end said, "They went on sale 15 minutes ago." I ran like the wind and only managed mediocre seats for two shows n Seattle but look back at the whole experience with fondness. And they were some of the best concerts of my life.

Now, that's how you buy tickets to a rock show: No sense of entitlement, just happy to be in the same building watching my favorite band at the time.

I can't see some of you having the passion or imagination to handle that arrangement. But it made me appreciate the band even more.

Appreciate what you have.

Why do people feel entitled to a lottery? It was a neat experiment, but it failed. Let's move on.

And no, statistically, and logically, the lottery is not more fair. The F5 system truly gave everyone an equal chance. Some took the initiative to learn the system and gain some advantage, but all could have. In the lottery, the odds are noticeably worse. You have more people (and scalpers) submitting for every show. People got shut out of shows because people put in "prayer" entries and won, even though they never would have spent the time F5ing for those tickets. Let's not even get in to people buying multiple 10C accounts to have more chances.

sgtppr67

MG79478 wrote:

Why do people feel entitled to a lottery? It was a neat experiment, but it failed. Let's move on.

And no, statistically, and logically, the lottery is not more fair. The F5 system truly gave everyone an equal chance. Some took the initiative to learn the system and gain some advantage, but all could have. In the lottery, the odds are noticeably worse. You have more people (and scalpers) submitting for every show. People got shut out of shows because people put in "prayer" entries and won, even though they never would have spent the time F5ing for those tickets. Let's not even get in to people buying multiple 10C accounts to have more chances.

What about that die hard fan 10 numbers in front of yours that lives in rural Illinois without high speed Internet, how does the f5 game benefit him? The f5 system still depended on you ISP and the speed of your computer. So if I don't have a top of the line system to by my tickets I'm not as loyal of a fan? And for all of the bitching about who didn't get what, I'm guessing most of the senior members will get in and sit in better seats than all of the Johnny come lately's to every show they put in for on the lottery. This won't stop people from touring with the band.

Tboz51

PJMosquito wrote:

Loyal fan base...more like spoiled fan base.

I keep seeing these "wah-wah" posts about how someone didn't get tickets, or how someone only got one show, or how MYM sucks. It's like get the f*ck over it already! Enough annoying complaining (about everything!) posts. :roll:

MG79478

sgtppr67 wrote:

What about that die hard fan 10 numbers in front of yours that lives in rural Illinois without high speed Internet, how does the f5 game benefit him? The f5 system still depended on you ISP and the speed of your computer. So if I don't have a top of the line system to by my tickets I'm not as loyal of a fan? And for all of the bitching about who didn't get what, I'm guessing most of the senior members will get in and sit in better seats than all of the Johnny come lately's to every show they put in for on the lottery. This won't stop people from touring with the band.

Minor issues that could be planned around if tickets are important to the person. Get a second job and buy a better connection, or go to a friends house, or a local coffe shop with free wi-fi. Some people see road blocks, some see minor speed bumps.

You think about it backwards, if someone found a way to enhance their chances of getting tickets.... for example by buying a new fast computer by working some OT... they obviously care more about getting the tickets than the person who takes no action try and improve their odds. That is the often missed key to why F5 was a much better system.

rival9500

PJMosquito wrote:

Loyal fan base...more like spoiled fan base.

I keep seeing these "wah-wah" posts about how someone didn't get tickets, or how someone only got one show, or how MYM sucks. It's like get the f*ck over it already! Enough annoying complaining (about everything!) posts. :roll:

If you hate something don't you do it too.

Complaining about complaining is just as bad.

rival9500

I don't care if your number is 1 or 500,000. If you get 4, 5, 6 shows, and I get 0, I have a major problem with that. Nice to see so many tickets on scalper sites, ebay, and craigslist.

STAYSEA

ctsufer31 wrote:

Member #111***

Agreed.

Earlier this year, I contacted someone at 10c about the new lottery system. She assured me that the new system was better. She explained that the old system of getting 10c tickets was being compromised but ticket brokers using computers to purchase as many tickets as possible. A day the lottery, I have very serious doubts about this new system. In the old system (mail and internet), I always received tickets for every tour. With the new lottery system, I received nothing (Worcester and Hartford). What I don't understand was why did 10c seniority play a factor in this. The longer you been with the club, your chances of getting a pair of tickets should have increased.

The lottery system fails long time 10c members and benefits new club members. It time for 10c members to voice their issues with the 10c ticketing lottery with 10c personal.

My number is in the 600,000's. Before that, It was in the 200,000's and before that under 100,000.
I got tickets? Did you get completely shut out? I think every member that tried for tickets got at least one choice. Am I wrong?

Spiritual_Chaos

STAYSEA wrote:

I think every member that tried for tickets got at least one choice. Am I wrong? [/b][/i]

Everyone did not. But many people put in weird choices too I'm certain.

This for example, everyone knows this would be a risk of ending up with zero:

1 NY1 GA
2 NY2 GA
3 NY1 seats
4 NY2 seats

pjsteelerfan

rival9500 wrote:

I don't care if your number is 1 or 500,000. If you get 4, 5, 6 shows, and I get 0, I have a major problem with that. Nice to see so many tickets on scalper sites, ebay, and craigslist.

That also depends on the show or shows you are going for. If your only choice is a high demand show, and others choose lower demand shows, is that the other persons fault for not going for NYC or Seattle for example? Or that they can try for more shows they should be punished? Or people that specifically avoided high demand shows? Or avoided GA tickets since there were less of them?

And all the scalper sites do that for every show and every artist. A lot of them don't even have tickets yet, or are brokers with connections to Ticketmaster or the venue, or season ticket holders, or guessing they will have seats, etc.

rival9500

pjsteelerfan wrote:

rival9500 wrote:

I don't care if your number is 1 or 500,000. If you get 4, 5, 6 shows, and I get 0, I have a major problem with that. Nice to see so many tickets on scalper sites, ebay, and craigslist.

That also depends on the show or shows you are going for. If your only choice is a high demand show, and others choose lower demand shows, is that the other persons fault for not going for NYC or Seattle for example? Or that they can try for more shows they should be punished? Or people that specifically avoided high demand shows? Or avoided GA tickets since there were less of them?

And all the scalper sites do that for every show and every artist. A lot of them don't even have tickets yet, or are brokers with connections to Ticketmaster or the venue, or season ticket holders, or guessing they will have seats, etc.

PIT RES
PIT GA
BUF RES
BUF GA
NYC RES
NYC GA
NYC RES
NYC GA

Spiritual_Chaos

nvm

Zod

MG79478 wrote:

And no, statistically, and logically, the lottery is not more fair. The F5 system truly gave everyone an equal chance. Some took the initiative to learn the system and gain some advantage, but all could have. In the lottery, the odds are noticeably worse. You have more people (and scalpers) submitting for every show. People got shut out of shows because people put in "prayer" entries and won, even though they never would have spent the time F5ing for those tickets. Let's not even get in to people buying multiple 10C accounts to have more chances.

I don't think the lottery was a failure. According to that surveymonkey thing, 76% of people got their first choice. Considering the low amount of tickets available.. that seems like a moderate win. The lottery system wasn't perfect, but it seemed to do a better job of trying to spread those tickets to different people, rather than have the same people get them all. I think that's a bit of a win (especially considering that the 10c gets a lot less tickets than they used to in the f5 days) and the 10c had a decent amount of success spreading out the limited quantity of tickets. I suppose the same feat could be achieved by only allowing one pair per tour, but the lottery method did allow people to get into the less popular shows and thus see multiples if they were willing to travel.

I think your other comments are more future looking. Until this tour was announced, only Wrigley had the GA setup. I think most people thought it was a one time thing. Thus I don't think the number of scalpers/10c users getting multiple memberships was too significant this time. HOWEVER this would have a huge impact for the next tour. I'm not sure that PJ can pull off the GA pit twice. Now that its common knowledge you would have to expect a number of scalpers and 10c member's to sign up their spouse's and friends to increase their odds.