Lottery... So much for appeasing the loyal fanbase.

PJ2k3 · July 2013

MayDay10 wrote:

wrong.
I won the only show I went for... and my member number is likely in the lower 50%.

But I can see down the road that this system is ripe to be raided by those who profit off of ticket resales... or pockets of fans who want to and can hit most of a tour and dont mind reselling to cover costs.
This will leave people like me, who hope to go to one show and hopefully land a "special" show once in awhile at a severe disadvantage.

There's just no way to do it that doesn't put someone at a disadvantage. Sure, someone can put in for 10 shows and get 7 of them while you put in for 1 and get 0. The fact is that this system cannot take into account the number of shows you put in for. It's a show by show drawing. They could say 'ok, instead of limiting it to 1 show per city, we'll do it by region.' But that'll piss people off too. The ultimate goal is to sell out venues. You still have a shot at public onsale. You still have a shot at all the people who got a pair that don't have a partner or who have extras. If you really want to go to a show, you can still get to that show. But people don't realize that all this complaining is just making it harder to score tickets as the policy gets more strict.

KingJeremyD · July 2013

Limit each fan 2 to 3 shows per a tour...One fan winning 5 out 5 choices...While another lost all 7 choices.....I just don't think this is right.....Limit the amount of shows a fan can go to per tour....This will increase the chances of more fans being able to go...

Poncier · July 2013

KingJeremyD wrote:

Limit each fan 2 to 3 shows per a tour...One fan winning 5 out 5 choices...While another lost all 7 choices.....I just don't think this is right.....Limit the amount of shows a fan can go to per tour....This will increase the chances of more fans being able to go...

Wouldn't be a bad idea, and if the concern was they'd have lots of leftovers in lower demand markets, have a second drawing for whatever was left for anyone who wanted after everyone got their 2 show allotment shot. Would give folks a better shot at their local shows and travellers could go after leftovers (though there'd never be leftovers in the most desirable markets).

KingJeremyD · July 2013

Poncier wrote:

KingJeremyD wrote:

Limit each fan 2 to 3 shows per a tour...One fan winning 5 out 5 choices...While another lost all 7 choices.....I just don't think this is right.....Limit the amount of shows a fan can go to per tour....This will increase the chances of more fans being able to go...

Wouldn't be a bad idea, and if the concern was they'd have lots of leftovers in lower demand markets, have a second drawing for whatever was left for anyone who wanted after everyone got their 2 show allotment shot. Would give folks a better shot at their local shows and travellers could go after leftovers (though there'd never be leftovers in the most desirable markets).

sounds like a good plan to me...really do need to see more than 2 to 3 pearl jam concerts per a tour..i use to want to go as many as i could..but now older have more important things to spend my money on

jeremy

pjsteelerfan · July 2013

KingJeremyD wrote:

Limit each fan 2 to 3 shows per a tour...One fan winning 5 out 5 choices...While another lost all 7 choices.....I just don't think this is right.....Limit the amount of shows a fan can go to per tour....This will increase the chances of more fans being able to go...

What, so fans that chose shows that were less in demand should not be able to get those tickets? It is not the fault of the fan that can go to more than one show vs the one that can not. A person that can go to multiple shows should not be allowed to choose a high demand show for tickets? Or a fan that can choose a high demand show and a smaller demand show should not be allowed to do both? Even If 1 show per tour, the person that lost out all choice may still lose out for a high demand show. You really think supply and demand are equal for all of these shows?

The Currents Will Shift · July 2013

KingJeremyD wrote:

Limit each fan 2 to 3 shows per a tour...One fan winning 5 out 5 choices...While another lost all 7 choices.....I just don't think this is right.....Limit the amount of shows a fan can go to per tour....This will increase the chances of more fans being able to go...

I agree with this. It will also give more fans in a shows local market a better chance at their respective show.

RedMosquito22 · July 2013

Honestly the only way to appease every fan is to go back to 70+ show tours. This however is not going to happen.

Kimmiebyrom · July 2013

The plus side of the lottery in this instance is that it looks like more 10c tickets are getting into the hands of actual fans from the club. Granted, there are those who are scalpers, but seeing that most people who put in got at least one show, that's pretty great. I know a lot got shut out, but if I'm going by posts I've seen in the past day and 1/2, most everyone got something. If the goal was to get more tickets into the hands of 10c'ers, then this was a success.

I'm very sorry to those who were shut out of their hometown/most wanted shows. I will be scouring the board/FB trying to help people out as I can.

Get_Right · July 2013

KingJeremyD wrote:

..One fan winning 5 out 5 choices...While another lost all 7 choices.....I just don't think this is right.......

Its right if the 7 choices were all NYC, Boston, Philly and Hartford while the 5 choices were Charlotte, OKC, Phoenix, etc.

You get the picture.

pjsteelerfan · July 2013

RedMosquito22 wrote:

Honestly the only way to appease every fan is to go back to 70+ show tours. This however is not going to happen.

pretty much this.

Its Evolution Baby · July 2013

You should be able to find tickets to most shows you want to attend, via ten club, then ticketmaster, and lastly a reseller site without going broke.

Just because Stub-Hub was ridiculous for Wrigley Field does not mean it will be ridiculous for a Tuesday in Philly. I know the day before a sold out Radiohead show in San Jose, I could get decent seats for a 20 dollar mark up per ticket.

Like was mentioned earlier, since senority matters for reserved seating anyways, the only difference seems to be that we don't have to take a day off of work to get tickets any more. Put in for what you want. See what you get. Fill in the rest of the spots via the public outlets for tickets.

The Currents Will Shift · July 2013

RedMosquito22 wrote:

Honestly the only way to appease every fan is to go back to 70+ show tours. This however is not going to happen.

Yeah, that is probably the issue now. This won't happen going forward, which is all the more reason to limit the shows to 2 or 3 per tour per person

eddiec · July 2013

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

You should be able to find tickets to most shows you want to attend, via ten club, then ticketmaster, and lastly a reseller site without going broke.

Just because Stub-Hub was ridiculous for Wrigley Field does not mean it will be ridiculous for a Tuesday in Philly. I know the day before a sold out Radiohead show in San Jose, I could get decent seats for a 20 dollar mark up per ticket.

Like was mentioned earlier, since senority matters for reserved seating anyways, the only difference seems to be that we don't have to take a day off of work to get tickets any more. Put in for what you want. See what you get. Fill in the rest of the spots via the public outlets for tickets.

I agree, except for Wrigley there are usually reasonable deals out there. During the Canadian tour in 2011 I don't think they sold out every show and that was just after PJ20. NY on the weekend will be pricey but I don't think Philly will be too bad. They me be very high just after the public sale but then should come down. We'll see.

scalelokt · July 2013

I know this wont be a popular opinion, but just for the record I have to say I'm very thankful for the new lottery system, even if its just this once and then they don't do it again. Ive been a fan since the very beginning, A HUGE fan. But when Ten came out I was just a kid, not much money, and joining the fan club just wasn't in the cards at the time. Of course later on I did join the fan club and have been a member ever since, but at that point I was already way behind in seniority and my chances to see the band up close were slim to none. Now, with this new system and with a little luck, I have GA tickets for San Diego and I'm looking forward to having an unforgettable time that I will always cherish. Probably would have never happened otherwise, so yeah, I'm pretty happy with how things turned out. Now in all fairness though I have seen posts from people who have been 10 club members for almost 20 years and didn't get a ticket at all. That really does suck, and I agree it seems very unfair, its certainly not a perfect system. But I just wanted to put in my 2 cents, just this once, its nice to get a chance to see the band up close and not be penalized for having joined a little later than other fans.

JC85096 · July 2013

I can understand the frustration from anyone who was shut out of getting tickets. However, how anyone can deny that this new system isn't better than the old one is delusional. The old system was a free-for-all in which you had to sit at your computer, hitting the refresh button for 2 hours and then maybe you'd get lucky. To be honest, I was always able to get the tickets to the shows I wanted in this format, but it was beyond annoying and nerve wracking to have to go through it. I've had friends who've been in the 10 Club longer than I have that would get shut out using this system and it was not from a lack of effort. By the way, someone mentioned earlier on this thread that when using the old system they had put in more effort and got tickets. What effort? I'm sure there were some who bailed out of frustration when the website looked like it was crashing, but there are many others who just didn't have luck on their side. So to say that you worked harder to get tickets is a bit of a reach.

As for the new system, it does have it's flaws, but it's still much better than the old one. A person can take their time and get their finances in order and decide if the can go to certain shows or not. Plus, isn't your time more valuable to you than it would be if you had to sit in front of a computer for 2-3 hours, cursing at the screen every time you had tickets slip through your hands like it used to with the old system?

Look, it sucks not getting to tickets to see a band we all love, especially since they don't tour the US all that often. I certainly can empathize with that. What I don't understand is the whining that takes place when people don't get what they want. What about all of the shows you've seen in the past via the 10 Club? Doesn't that count for anything?

I've been a 10 Club member since 2001; however, I've been a die-hard fan since 1992. Just because I joined later doesn't mean that someone else that joined before me is a bigger fan than I am. So the idea that some of PJ's "best" fans missing some of the shows on the upcoming tour will be a detriment to the band/concert experience is absurd.

Maybe there is no perfect system. You have to figure that scalpers purposely sign up multiple accounts for the sole purpose of buying tickets. Not sure how this can be identified other than to stop accepting new members into the club. I don't see that happening though.

dimitrispearljam · July 2013

what loyal fanbase means?

im flying 6000 miles for 3 hours concert..

oh ..i forget ....means nothing..

im not 10c member 20 years

i should go fuck my self

Vitalogensia · July 2013

dimitrispearljam wrote:

what loyal fanbase means?

im flying 6000 miles for 3 hours concert..

oh ..i forget ....means nothing..

im not 10c member 20 years

i should go fuck my self

Kimmiebyrom · July 2013

dimitrispearljam wrote:

what loyal fanbase means?

im flying 6000 miles for 3 hours concert..

oh ..i forget ....means nothing..

im not 10c member 20 years

i should go fuck my self

If you aren't in the most loyal category, then I just don't know who is.

LA98 · July 2013

I just can't understand why the lottery is unfair. In my mind it's as random as F5-ing. F5-ing isn't a skill, it's luck. How is it any different?

In 2010 I sat at my computer F5-ing like crazy (while at work, and got in some trouble for web surfing) and got shut out. This time I submitted choices for the lottery and got tickets for one show. Either way, it's nothing but luck, isn't it?

Any ticket system is basically luck, right? F5, lottery, phone orders. In the 80s I remember mailing about a hundred postcards for Rolling Stones tickets and didn't get any, my brother sent 5 postcards and scored. No matter what, fans will be disappointed/shut out of tickets at one point or another (and it does suck, no question about that....)

Go Beavers · July 2013

Anyone else find it interesting how it seems like all the lottery complaint threads start with something like "I've never been shut out before..."

Lottery... So much for appeasing the loyal fanbase.

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