Lottery... So much for appeasing the loyal fanbase.

blackmagicmarkerK
blackmagicmarkerK Posts: 23
edited December 2013 in The Porch
196xxx - Under the supposed "broken" 10C ticketing system, I rarely had problems getting tickets. Frustrating at times, but perserverence almost always paid off in one form or another.

The Lottery system unfairly levels the playing field between a fan that just paid for their inital 10c fee and longtime loyal fans that have poured literally tens of thousands of dollars into this band. Many, taking cross country trips for one-off shows.

Arguing the "fairness" of the Lottery may seem like whining but I wonder, how well was this truely thought out? When making these changes did the 10C fully understand the negative aspect of "leveling the playing field".

And, there's no way to make it up. It's done.

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  • ctsufer31
    ctsufer31 Boston, MA Posts: 33
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    Agreed.

    Earlier this year, I contacted someone at 10c about the new lottery system. She assured me that the new system was better. She explained that the old system of getting 10c tickets was being compromised but ticket brokers using computers to purchase as many tickets as possible. A day the lottery, I have very serious doubts about this new system. In the old system (mail and internet), I always received tickets for every tour. With the new lottery system, I received nothing (Worcester and Hartford). What I don't understand was why did 10c seniority play a factor in this. The longer you been with the club, your chances of getting a pair of tickets should have increased.

    The lottery system fails long time 10c members and benefits new club members. It time for 10c members to voice their issues with the 10c ticketing lottery with 10c personal.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,651
    ctsufer31 wrote:
    The lottery system fails long time 10c members and benefits new club members.

    Why? It benefit long time 10c members, as usual you get better seats.

    Other than that, everyone have a equal chance to get tickets. As it, IMO, should be.
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  • ctsufer31
    ctsufer31 Boston, MA Posts: 33
    Spiritual_Chaos wrote:
    ctsufer31 wrote:
    The lottery system fails long time 10c members and benefits new club members.

    Why? It benefit long time 10c members, as usual you get better seats.

    Other than that, everyone have a equal chance to get tickets. As it, IMO, should be.

    Really?

    So to even the playing field and allow new members a chance to get tickets while members who have been supporting 10c for decades get shut out?

    Maybe you should see it my my point of view.
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  • foodboy
    foodboy Posts: 988
    also i know for a fact that scalpers are joining in with many names and since they now can get ga pit tickets all the more lucrative for them. so if they at least did something about the latest members it might help. but i agree as a long time supporter of this band since first buying their cd in 92 and seeing them for the first time in 93' i know there is no perfect way but i really don't like the lottery at all. i never had problems with the shows i wanted to go to in the past. i usually made it to at least 3 or 4 but now that is almost impossible. but i do want to say thanks for all the great times in the past.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    blackmagicmarkerK wrote:
    196xxx - Under the supposed "broken" 10C ticketing system, I rarely had problems getting tickets. Frustrating at times, but perserverence almost always paid off in one form or another.

    The Lottery system unfairly levels the playing field between a fan that just paid for their inital 10c fee and longtime loyal fans that have poured literally tens of thousands of dollars into this band. Many, taking cross country trips for one-off shows.

    Arguing the "fairness" of the Lottery may seem like whining but I wonder, how well was this truely thought out? When making these changes did the 10C fully understand the negative aspect of "leveling the playing field".

    And, there's no way to make it up. It's done.

    MyM :D
    Lightning Bolt :?:
    Lottery :evil:
    Sitting in the 400's :fp:

    Not true at all. Seniority had NOTHING to do with actually getting tickets even with the old system. It only came into play after you bought the tickets.
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  • Indifference71
    Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,924
    ctsufer31 wrote:

    Really?

    So to even the playing field and allow new members a chance to get tickets while members who have been supporting 10c for decades get shut out?

    Maybe you should see it my my point of view.


    You were never guaranteed tickets as a long time fan club member. So pretty much what you are saying is that you deserve tickets more than someone who has recently joined 10c?
  • Soybeans
    Soybeans Posts: 258
    I never had problems buying tix to multiple shows. This will kill the traveling aspect of the fan base that has supported the band for so long.

    Bring back F5.
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  • frisbiec
    frisbiec Seattle, WA Posts: 114
    Spiritual_Chaos wrote:
    ctsufer31 wrote:
    The lottery system fails long time 10c members and benefits new club members.

    Why? It benefit long time 10c members, as usual you get better seats.

    Other than that, everyone have a equal chance to get tickets. As it, IMO, should be.
    The problem is everyone does not have equal access to tickets. Your probability of scoring tickets is increased by putting in for more shows. Putting in for more shows also = the possibility of winning more shows. Unfortunately, many cannot afford more than 1-3 shows. If you were responsible and only put in for the number of shows you could budget, you had a higher risk of getting shut out. A lottery system would be fair if there were 2 rounds. One round based solely on priority and maybe seniority (although as a senior member myself, I don't necessarily think I deserve preferential treatment in this regard) and a second round that is an all out lottery.
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  • shortstack
    shortstack Posts: 2,339
    ctsufer31 wrote:
    Earlier this year, I contacted someone at 10c about the new lottery system. She assured me that the new system was better. She explained that the old system of getting 10c tickets was being compromised by ticket brokers using computers to purchase as many tickets as possible.

    oh jeez, now i thought it was the band's decision because they were sick of seeing the same faces. :roll:
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  • thefin190
    thefin190 Posts: 918
    I am in the 400's and missed out on either Seattle tickets, fucking sucks.

    Just wondering, are ticket scalpers allowed to join the fan club and re-sell tickets? Obvious answer is no, but how do they get away with it??? I used to re-sell other tickets (not Pearl Jam) when I was in college for extra money because I was poor, but I was way too nervous to ever sell a Pearl Jam ticket in fear of being kicked out the fan club. I haven't done any ticket flipping in years. How are scalpers able to do this?
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  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,889
    I dont get the perception that acquiring tickets was ever based on seniority.

    I think the real issue is the allure of creating many garbage number accounts to get multiple entries for ga tickets
  • MG79478
    MG79478 Posts: 1,727
    frisbiec wrote:
    Spiritual_Chaos wrote:
    ctsufer31 wrote:
    The lottery system fails long time 10c members and benefits new club members.

    Why? It benefit long time 10c members, as usual you get better seats.

    Other than that, everyone have a equal chance to get tickets. As it, IMO, should be.
    The problem is everyone does not have equal access to tickets. Your probability of scoring tickets is increased by putting in for more shows. Putting in for more shows also = the possibility of winning more shows. Unfortunately, many cannot afford more than 1-3 shows. If you were responsible and only put in for the number of shows you could budget, you had a higher risk of getting shut out. A lottery system would be fair if there were 2 rounds. One round based solely on priority and maybe seniority (although as a senior member myself, I don't necessarily think I deserve preferential treatment in this regard) and a second round that is an all out lottery.

    The ironic thing is that everyone had equal access to the F5 system, some put more in to it than others.
  • thebends9
    thebends9 Posts: 521
    Soybeans wrote:
    I never had problems buying tix to multiple shows. This will kill the traveling aspect of the fan base that has supported the band for so long.

    Bring back F5.
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  • frisbiec
    frisbiec Seattle, WA Posts: 114
    thefin190 wrote:
    I am in the 400's and missed out on either Seattle tickets, fucking sucks. ust wondering, are ticket scalpers allowed to join the fan club and re-sell tickets? Obvious answer is no, but how do they get away with it??? I used to re-sell other tickets (not Pearl Jam) when I was in college for extra money because I was poor, but I was way too nervous to ever sell a Pearl Jam ticket in fear of being kicked out the fan club. I haven't done any ticket flipping in years. How are scalpers able to do this?
    They are able to get away with it because people are willing to pay crazy prices. There are already GA seats on eBay . . . if I understand correctly, GA is fan club only. So, some ten clubbers are already scalping their seats.
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  • Given to...
    Given to... Wyoming Posts: 5,007
    edited July 2013
    wrote:

    Not true at all. Seniority had NOTHING to do with actually getting tickets even with the old system. It only came into play after you bought the tickets.

    That's the fact. Plain and simple.
    I'm definetly not sold on the lottery as it is, but those facts speak for themselves.
    To argue that, would seem silly.
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  • MisterEtake2
    MisterEtake2 Posts: 404
    Sorry - but people can only favor the old system over the lottery for one reason: they had an unfair advantage which gave them a leg up on tickets and now that advantage is gone.
  • frisbiec
    frisbiec Seattle, WA Posts: 114
    MisterEtake2 wrote:
    Sorry - but people can only favor the old system over the lottery for one reason: they had an unfair advantage which gave them a leg up on tickets and now that advantage is gone.
    How did the old system give anyone a leg up? If anything the new system gives people with tons of free time or disposable income a leg up.
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  • Divka
    Divka Posts: 200
    MayDay10 wrote:

    I think the real issue is the allure of creating many garbage number accounts to get multiple entries for ga tickets

    Is it possible to have more than 1 account under the same name? Using fake names would not work...
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  • frisbiec
    frisbiec Seattle, WA Posts: 114
    edited July 2013
    MG79478 wrote:
    The ironic thing is that everyone had equal access to the F5 system, some put more in to it than others.

    Agreed. I never had a problem with F5 or Index cards. It seems that the universal reason that is given for people getting shut out is that there just aren't enough tickets. If this is the case, why are we allowed to go for broke and request multiple shows? It would be more equitable if everyone had equal access to one show.
    Post edited by frisbiec on
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  • ShouldHaveBeenSomething
    ShouldHaveBeenSomething Posts: 159
    Yep. Pay 4 more years of membership dues until the next tour and "hope" the great OZ operating the lottery behind the scenes picks you.

    I had better luck sending in physical index cards... SCARY

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